Radical Unschooling
joanna514
Someone posted on another list that there is a group of people who
call themselves radical unschoolers, that don't teach their children
anything. If a child asks a question, they would say, "go look it
up".
I have heard non unschoolers mistakenly describe unschoolers like
this.
I had assumed they had just gotten the wrong impression. I have
heard IRL people describe unschoolers as those who don't use books
and the parents let the children do anything, without any input from
them. I have corrected people and said they have come to an
incorrect conclusion, and went on to explain it a little better(I
hope).
Have I somehow missed "real" radical unschoolers, in all of my
reading over the years? I have never had anyone try to defend a
totally hands off philosophy.
I'm not assuming there aren't those out there that may do this, I
just don't recall hearing any of them advocate it.
Can anyone enlightne me?
Joanna
call themselves radical unschoolers, that don't teach their children
anything. If a child asks a question, they would say, "go look it
up".
I have heard non unschoolers mistakenly describe unschoolers like
this.
I had assumed they had just gotten the wrong impression. I have
heard IRL people describe unschoolers as those who don't use books
and the parents let the children do anything, without any input from
them. I have corrected people and said they have come to an
incorrect conclusion, and went on to explain it a little better(I
hope).
Have I somehow missed "real" radical unschoolers, in all of my
reading over the years? I have never had anyone try to defend a
totally hands off philosophy.
I'm not assuming there aren't those out there that may do this, I
just don't recall hearing any of them advocate it.
Can anyone enlightne me?
Joanna
Tia Leschke
>I've heard of this too, but I've never met anyone defending it either.
>Have I somehow missed "real" radical unschoolers, in all of my
>reading over the years? I have never had anyone try to defend a
>totally hands off philosophy.
>I'm not assuming there aren't those out there that may do this, I
>just don't recall hearing any of them advocate it.
>Can anyone enlightne me?
Tia
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Tia Leschke
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On Vancouver Island
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I've only seen that description of unschooling (totally leaving kids to their
own devices) by unschooling detractors, or by people saying sarcastically
when they first inquire, "SO--you're saying..." and describing it in the most
cold-hearted way!
In over ten years of reading everything I could find on paper, back issues of
GWS, online starting with Prodigy's homeschooling boards, I've not seen it.
Sandra
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own devices) by unschooling detractors, or by people saying sarcastically
when they first inquire, "SO--you're saying..." and describing it in the most
cold-hearted way!
In over ten years of reading everything I could find on paper, back issues of
GWS, online starting with Prodigy's homeschooling boards, I've not seen it.
Sandra
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Nancy Wooton
on 4/12/02 8:39 AM, Tia Leschke at leschke@... wrote:
Connection or HEM message boards?
Nancy, staggering down memory lane ;-)
--
I really don't understand the theory that kids need an
"opportunity" to live like savages so they can be properly socialized.
They can learn the same lessons in the safety of their homes by reading
"Lord of the Flies."
-- a homeschooling mom
>Wasn't "Radical Unschooling" the name of a folder on the AOL Homeschool
>>
>> Have I somehow missed "real" radical unschoolers, in all of my
>> reading over the years? I have never had anyone try to defend a
>> totally hands off philosophy.
>> I'm not assuming there aren't those out there that may do this, I
>> just don't recall hearing any of them advocate it.
>> Can anyone enlightne me?
>
> I've heard of this too, but I've never met anyone defending it either.
> Tia
Connection or HEM message boards?
Nancy, staggering down memory lane ;-)
--
I really don't understand the theory that kids need an
"opportunity" to live like savages so they can be properly socialized.
They can learn the same lessons in the safety of their homes by reading
"Lord of the Flies."
-- a homeschooling mom
[email protected]
I was on the radical unschooling list for a while.
One mom came on and said that she had "unschooled" all three of her children
and that they were all worthless. What should she do?
She went into great detail about what they were doing in their adult lives
and what failures they were.
Come to find out that she was basically the worthless one---mostly sitting
around all day while they pursued nothing. Her life was a shambles! And so
were her kids'. AWFUL!
I didn't last very long after that.
Kelly
One mom came on and said that she had "unschooled" all three of her children
and that they were all worthless. What should she do?
She went into great detail about what they were doing in their adult lives
and what failures they were.
Come to find out that she was basically the worthless one---mostly sitting
around all day while they pursued nothing. Her life was a shambles! And so
were her kids'. AWFUL!
I didn't last very long after that.
Kelly
Jon and Rue Kream
Which radical unschooling list are you referring to? I've been on RUL for a
few years, but I don't remember this. Then again, my memory stinks :).
~Rue
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From: kbcdlovejo@... [mailto:kbcdlovejo@...]
Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 5:09 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [AlwaysLearning] Radical Unschooling
I was on the radical unschooling list for a while.
One mom came on and said that she had "unschooled" all three of her children
and that they were all worthless. What should she do?
She went into great detail about what they were doing in their adult lives
and what failures they were.
Come to find out that she was basically the worthless one---mostly sitting
around all day while they pursued nothing. Her life was a shambles! And so
were her kids'. AWFUL!
I didn't last very long after that.
Kelly
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few years, but I don't remember this. Then again, my memory stinks :).
~Rue
-----Original Message-----
From: kbcdlovejo@... [mailto:kbcdlovejo@...]
Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 5:09 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [AlwaysLearning] Radical Unschooling
I was on the radical unschooling list for a while.
One mom came on and said that she had "unschooled" all three of her children
and that they were all worthless. What should she do?
She went into great detail about what they were doing in their adult lives
and what failures they were.
Come to find out that she was basically the worthless one---mostly sitting
around all day while they pursued nothing. Her life was a shambles! And so
were her kids'. AWFUL!
I didn't last very long after that.
Kelly
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Elizabeth Hill
joanna514 wrote:
neglect stories. I think there may be a few
grains of truth in it.
I imagine that there are a few extremist "anti-schoolers" who have had
such traumatic school experiences
that they shun anything that feels like teaching to them. Strong trauma
can create a strong aversion.
People like this might read and hear only the things they agree with off
of a list like this. They might,
in fact, believe that their lifestyle was a pure form of unschooling.
(I wouldn't agree.)
I've seen people who are as traumatized as this about religion, so it's
not a big stretch to imagine that there
are people this traumatized by school.
In the end, I'm just speculating.
Betsy
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> Someone posted on another list that there is a group of people whoI don't think this is as far from true as the classic "wolf-family"
> call themselves radical unschoolers, that don't teach their children
> anything. If a child asks a question, they would say, "go look it
> up".
> I have heard non unschoolers mistakenly describe unschoolers like
> this.
> I had assumed they had just gotten the wrong impression. I have
> heard IRL people describe unschoolers as those who don't use books
> and the parents let the children do anything, without any input from
> them. I have corrected people and said they have come to an
> incorrect conclusion, and went on to explain it a little better(I
> hope).
> Have I somehow missed "real" radical unschoolers, in all of my
> reading over the years? I have never had anyone try to defend a
> totally hands off philosophy.
> I'm not assuming there aren't those out there that may do this, I
> just don't recall hearing any of them advocate it.
> Can anyone enlightne me?
neglect stories. I think there may be a few
grains of truth in it.
I imagine that there are a few extremist "anti-schoolers" who have had
such traumatic school experiences
that they shun anything that feels like teaching to them. Strong trauma
can create a strong aversion.
People like this might read and hear only the things they agree with off
of a list like this. They might,
in fact, believe that their lifestyle was a pure form of unschooling.
(I wouldn't agree.)
I've seen people who are as traumatized as this about religion, so it's
not a big stretch to imagine that there
are people this traumatized by school.
In the end, I'm just speculating.
Betsy
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In a message dated 4/12/2002 6:58:57 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
skreams@... writes:
look in the archives, like here? It was a LONG post about how rotten her life
and her kids' lives were. Really pathetic. She didn't get much support (but
that list waxed and waned a lot), and most asked what SHE did on a daily
basis. Seems she did nothing. If they have archives, I'd be willing to hunt
it down for you---but I'd have to get back on! Ugh!
Are you still there?
Kelly
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skreams@... writes:
> Which radical unschooling list are you referring to? I've been on RUL for aIt WAS RUL. I'm sure it was over a year go (maybe 2?). Can you go back and
> few years, but I don't remember this. Then again, my memory stinks :).
look in the archives, like here? It was a LONG post about how rotten her life
and her kids' lives were. Really pathetic. She didn't get much support (but
that list waxed and waned a lot), and most asked what SHE did on a daily
basis. Seems she did nothing. If they have archives, I'd be willing to hunt
it down for you---but I'd have to get back on! Ugh!
Are you still there?
Kelly
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Jon and Rue Kream
No, don't bother thanks! I was just curious. ~Rue
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From: kbcdlovejo@... [mailto:kbcdlovejo@...]
Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 9:57 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [AlwaysLearning] Radical Unschooling
In a message dated 4/12/2002 6:58:57 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
skreams@... writes:
look in the archives, like here? It was a LONG post about how rotten her
life
and her kids' lives were. Really pathetic. She didn't get much support (but
that list waxed and waned a lot), and most asked what SHE did on a daily
basis. Seems she did nothing. If they have archives, I'd be willing to hunt
it down for you---but I'd have to get back on! Ugh!
Are you still there?
Kelly
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From: kbcdlovejo@... [mailto:kbcdlovejo@...]
Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 9:57 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [AlwaysLearning] Radical Unschooling
In a message dated 4/12/2002 6:58:57 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
skreams@... writes:
> Which radical unschooling list are you referring to? I've been on RUL fora
> few years, but I don't remember this. Then again, my memory stinks :).It WAS RUL. I'm sure it was over a year go (maybe 2?). Can you go back and
look in the archives, like here? It was a LONG post about how rotten her
life
and her kids' lives were. Really pathetic. She didn't get much support (but
that list waxed and waned a lot), and most asked what SHE did on a daily
basis. Seems she did nothing. If they have archives, I'd be willing to hunt
it down for you---but I'd have to get back on! Ugh!
Are you still there?
Kelly
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Pam Hartley
It sounds like a variant on the wild wolf-child unschooler myth, to me
(perpetuated by school-at-homers with guilt issues, and my Aunt Kathy <g>).
I don't know any unschoolers or of any unschoolers who do this.
Pam
(perpetuated by school-at-homers with guilt issues, and my Aunt Kathy <g>).
I don't know any unschoolers or of any unschoolers who do this.
Pam
>> Have I somehow missed "real" radical unschoolers, in all of my[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>> reading over the years? I have never had anyone try to defend a
>> totally hands off philosophy.
>> I'm not assuming there aren't those out there that may do this, I
>> just don't recall hearing any of them advocate it.
>> Can anyone enlightne me?
>
> I've heard of this too, but I've never met anyone defending it either.
> Tia
Diane
Another thought is that she may be just lazy. I had a friend who just didn't
teach her child, send him to school, take him anywhere (errands, library,
museums, etc.). We used to say he was being raised by the dog and the TV.
When we heard of unschooling it took my dh a long time to realize that wasn't
what I was talking about.
:-) Diane
Elizabeth Hill wrote:
teach her child, send him to school, take him anywhere (errands, library,
museums, etc.). We used to say he was being raised by the dog and the TV.
When we heard of unschooling it took my dh a long time to realize that wasn't
what I was talking about.
:-) Diane
Elizabeth Hill wrote:
> joanna514 wrote:
>
> > Someone posted on another list that there is a group of people who
> > call themselves radical unschoolers, that don't teach their children
> > anything. If a child asks a question, they would say, "go look it
> > up".
> > I have heard non unschoolers mistakenly describe unschoolers like
> > this.
> > I had assumed they had just gotten the wrong impression. I have
> > heard IRL people describe unschoolers as those who don't use books
> > and the parents let the children do anything, without any input from
> > them. I have corrected people and said they have come to an
> > incorrect conclusion, and went on to explain it a little better(I
> > hope).
> > Have I somehow missed "real" radical unschoolers, in all of my
> > reading over the years? I have never had anyone try to defend a
> > totally hands off philosophy.
> > I'm not assuming there aren't those out there that may do this, I
> > just don't recall hearing any of them advocate it.
> > Can anyone enlightne me?
>
> I don't think this is as far from true as the classic "wolf-family"
> neglect stories. I think there may be a few
> grains of truth in it.
>
> I imagine that there are a few extremist "anti-schoolers" who have had
> such traumatic school experiences
> that they shun anything that feels like teaching to them. Strong trauma
> can create a strong aversion.
> People like this might read and hear only the things they agree with off
> of a list like this. They might,
> in fact, believe that their lifestyle was a pure form of unschooling.
> (I wouldn't agree.)
>
> I've seen people who are as traumatized as this about religion, so it's
> not a big stretch to imagine that there
> are people this traumatized by school.
>
> In the end, I'm just speculating.
>
> Betsy
>
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