Young adult connections
carnationsgalore
Claire, 18, is wanting to know how she can find out about other unschooled young adults. She withdrew from school 2 years ago and has done some correspondence courses off and on in that time to please her disappointed and worried dad & stepmom.
This week, many of her friends left for college. A few are seniors in high school. No one she knows who has gotten out of school has chosen to work. She is questioned and harrassed by friends about what she's going to do if she doesn't have a diploma. One told her she'd be seen as a loser. All she wants to do is work. I think she wants to know that other people her age are doing fine without accredited diplomas. Georgia doesn't allow homeschool parents to award diplomas, but I can call her graduated. Her dad/stepmom told her she'd be a liar because she didn't fulfill the GA requirements for a high school graduation. She's worried about future job applications because they all ask if the applicant has graduated. I told her if she decided later to go to college, we would figure out what to do because of their requirements. Even the 2-yr colleges want a certain set of courses to be completed, which she doesn't have. She's rather angry about it all.
How can I help her?
Beth
This week, many of her friends left for college. A few are seniors in high school. No one she knows who has gotten out of school has chosen to work. She is questioned and harrassed by friends about what she's going to do if she doesn't have a diploma. One told her she'd be seen as a loser. All she wants to do is work. I think she wants to know that other people her age are doing fine without accredited diplomas. Georgia doesn't allow homeschool parents to award diplomas, but I can call her graduated. Her dad/stepmom told her she'd be a liar because she didn't fulfill the GA requirements for a high school graduation. She's worried about future job applications because they all ask if the applicant has graduated. I told her if she decided later to go to college, we would figure out what to do because of their requirements. Even the 2-yr colleges want a certain set of courses to be completed, which she doesn't have. She's rather angry about it all.
How can I help her?
Beth
Sandra Dodd
-=-All she wants to do is work. I think she wants to know that other
people her age are doing fine without accredited diplomas. Georgia
doesn't allow homeschool parents to award diplomas, but I can call her
graduated. Her dad/stepmom told her she'd be a liar because she didn't
fulfill the GA requirements for a high school graduation. -=-
On an application, she just writes "homeschooled."
-=- Even the 2-yr colleges want a certain set of courses to be
completed, which she doesn't have. She's rather angry about it all.
How can I help her?-=-
She can take a placement test at the college, talk to a counsellor and
say she was homeschooled, and take classes conditionally, if she
really wants to go there.
She could take a GED to replace the high school diploma, if she really
needs that for a job she wants.
-=-Claire, 18, is wanting to know how she can find out about other
unschooled young adults. She withdrew from school 2 years ago and has
done some correspondence courses off and on in that time to please her
disappointed and worried dad & stepmom. -=-
It doesn't sound like she was ever really deschooled or unschooling,
if she went to school to the age of 16, took correspondence courses
and is angry with you (? or someone) about the whole situation.
Maybe talk to her about it this way: Would she rather have stayed in
school? Was leaving school better than staying?
That's the point at which you should be dealing with her. Looking at
her own choice and how to move from that.
She *could*, if she really regrets leaving school, take correspondence
courses to "finish high school." She could maybe do one more year to
"finish high school" with Wes Beach or Clonlara, perhaps.
If that doesn't sound good to her, then at least she would be making a
choice instead of feeling stuck.
Lots of high school seniors are 18.
http://clonlara.org
http://www2.cruzio.com/~beachhi/home.html
Sandra
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people her age are doing fine without accredited diplomas. Georgia
doesn't allow homeschool parents to award diplomas, but I can call her
graduated. Her dad/stepmom told her she'd be a liar because she didn't
fulfill the GA requirements for a high school graduation. -=-
On an application, she just writes "homeschooled."
-=- Even the 2-yr colleges want a certain set of courses to be
completed, which she doesn't have. She's rather angry about it all.
How can I help her?-=-
She can take a placement test at the college, talk to a counsellor and
say she was homeschooled, and take classes conditionally, if she
really wants to go there.
She could take a GED to replace the high school diploma, if she really
needs that for a job she wants.
-=-Claire, 18, is wanting to know how she can find out about other
unschooled young adults. She withdrew from school 2 years ago and has
done some correspondence courses off and on in that time to please her
disappointed and worried dad & stepmom. -=-
It doesn't sound like she was ever really deschooled or unschooling,
if she went to school to the age of 16, took correspondence courses
and is angry with you (? or someone) about the whole situation.
Maybe talk to her about it this way: Would she rather have stayed in
school? Was leaving school better than staying?
That's the point at which you should be dealing with her. Looking at
her own choice and how to move from that.
She *could*, if she really regrets leaving school, take correspondence
courses to "finish high school." She could maybe do one more year to
"finish high school" with Wes Beach or Clonlara, perhaps.
If that doesn't sound good to her, then at least she would be making a
choice instead of feeling stuck.
Lots of high school seniors are 18.
http://clonlara.org
http://www2.cruzio.com/~beachhi/home.html
Sandra
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Stephanie rollins
My son went the ged route when he turned 16. All went well.
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-=-All she wants to do is work. I think she wants to know that other
people her age are doing fine without accredited diplomas. Georgia
doesn't allow homeschool parents to award diplomas, but I can call her
graduated. Her dad/stepmom told her she'd be a liar because she didn't
fulfill the GA requirements for a high school graduation. -=-
On an application, she just writes "homeschooled."
-=- Even the 2-yr colleges want a certain set of courses to be
completed, which she doesn't have. She's rather angry about it all.
How can I help her?-=-
She can take a placement test at the college, talk to a counsellor and
say she was homeschooled, and take classes conditionally, if she
really wants to go there.
She could take a GED to replace the high school diploma, if she really
needs that for a job she wants.
-=-Claire, 18, is wanting to know how she can find out about other
unschooled young adults. She withdrew from school 2 years ago and has
done some correspondence courses off and on in that time to please her
disappointed and worried dad & stepmom. -=-
It doesn't sound like she was ever really deschooled or unschooling,
if she went to school to the age of 16, took correspondence courses
and is angry with you (? or someone) about the whole situation.
Maybe talk to her about it this way: Would she rather have stayed in
school? Was leaving school better than staying?
That's the point at which you should be dealing with her. Looking at
her own choice and how to move from that.
She *could*, if she really regrets leaving school, take correspondence
courses to "finish high school." She could maybe do one more year to
"finish high school" with Wes Beach or Clonlara, perhaps.
If that doesn't sound good to her, then at least she would be making a
choice instead of feeling stuck.
Lots of high school seniors are 18.
http://clonlara.org
http://www2.cruzio.com/~beachhi/home.html
Sandra
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From: Sandra Dodd <Sandra@...>
Sender: [email protected]
Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2010 09:09:39
To: <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: [AlwaysLearning] Young adult connections
-=-All she wants to do is work. I think she wants to know that other
people her age are doing fine without accredited diplomas. Georgia
doesn't allow homeschool parents to award diplomas, but I can call her
graduated. Her dad/stepmom told her she'd be a liar because she didn't
fulfill the GA requirements for a high school graduation. -=-
On an application, she just writes "homeschooled."
-=- Even the 2-yr colleges want a certain set of courses to be
completed, which she doesn't have. She's rather angry about it all.
How can I help her?-=-
She can take a placement test at the college, talk to a counsellor and
say she was homeschooled, and take classes conditionally, if she
really wants to go there.
She could take a GED to replace the high school diploma, if she really
needs that for a job she wants.
-=-Claire, 18, is wanting to know how she can find out about other
unschooled young adults. She withdrew from school 2 years ago and has
done some correspondence courses off and on in that time to please her
disappointed and worried dad & stepmom. -=-
It doesn't sound like she was ever really deschooled or unschooling,
if she went to school to the age of 16, took correspondence courses
and is angry with you (? or someone) about the whole situation.
Maybe talk to her about it this way: Would she rather have stayed in
school? Was leaving school better than staying?
That's the point at which you should be dealing with her. Looking at
her own choice and how to move from that.
She *could*, if she really regrets leaving school, take correspondence
courses to "finish high school." She could maybe do one more year to
"finish high school" with Wes Beach or Clonlara, perhaps.
If that doesn't sound good to her, then at least she would be making a
choice instead of feeling stuck.
Lots of high school seniors are 18.
http://clonlara.org
http://www2.cruzio.com/~beachhi/home.html
Sandra
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plaidpanties666
Check the social calanders on unschooling sites to find meet-ups and camps and conferences for unschoolers:
http://enjoylifeunschooling.com/
http://familyrun.ning.com/
But realize unschoolers are few and far between. Ray (16) has had better luck making friends with people in their early twenties who've been away from school for a few years. He's met some socially, going to open-mike nights at a local coffee house and at larger social events, and some through work.
Realistically, your dd is facing a situation that many adults face - how Do you go about meeting other people once you're out in the real world, which has entirely different social situations and mores than school? College provides a transitional enviroment, with some real-world aspects and some schoolish aspects, but plenty of people don't go to college.
What does she like to do? Join a book club, yoga class, volunteer for Habitat for Humanity, get a job because it sounds interesting, go to art openings, go to political rallys, go to city council meetings - whatever appeals. Check the social calanders on unschooling sites to find meet-ups and camps and conferences for unschoolers:
http://enjoylifeunschooling.com/
http://familyrun.ning.com/
---Meredith
http://enjoylifeunschooling.com/
http://familyrun.ning.com/
But realize unschoolers are few and far between. Ray (16) has had better luck making friends with people in their early twenties who've been away from school for a few years. He's met some socially, going to open-mike nights at a local coffee house and at larger social events, and some through work.
Realistically, your dd is facing a situation that many adults face - how Do you go about meeting other people once you're out in the real world, which has entirely different social situations and mores than school? College provides a transitional enviroment, with some real-world aspects and some schoolish aspects, but plenty of people don't go to college.
What does she like to do? Join a book club, yoga class, volunteer for Habitat for Humanity, get a job because it sounds interesting, go to art openings, go to political rallys, go to city council meetings - whatever appeals. Check the social calanders on unschooling sites to find meet-ups and camps and conferences for unschoolers:
http://enjoylifeunschooling.com/
http://familyrun.ning.com/
>>I think she wants to know that other people her age are doing fine >without accredited diplomas.Er... I think you need to help her get something other people can understand, whether that's a diploma or GED or enough college credits to obviate either. You've fallen down on the job, there, and she has a right to be angry! It doesn't help in the least to tell someone "its okay if you don't have a diploma" if everyone else that person knows is going to make trouble about it - its not okay. Do more research and see what you can do - is there an umbrella school option in GA? Look into getting her a diploma through one of those. Depending on the school, they may have a way to give a diploma based on an interview or portfolio, or you may have to wait a year. Look into that and the GED, and lay out some realisitc options for your dd.
---Meredith
alexandriapalonia
I think your premise (that homeschoolers in GA cannot award diplomas) is incorrect:
"How does a home school handle transcripts and diplomas?
According to the Georgia Home School Law that recognized home schools as an educational entity along with private and public schools, you as the officials of the school have the right to determine graduation requirements, recognize graduation status, grant diplomas, and issue transcripts. Since colleges, universities, and businesses have certain unspecified expectations on these documents, check with the institution or business to determine what they require."
http://www.ghea.org/pages/resources/tips.php
It won't be a GA-accredited diploma, but, as in most states, since homeschooling is, like private school, a legal, recognized alternative to public school, the awarding of a diploma by the homeschool is perfectly fine.
Andrea
All she wants to do is work. I think she wants to know that other people her age are doing fine without accredited diplomas. Georgia doesn't allow homeschool parents to award diplomas, but I can call her graduated. Her dad/stepmom told her she'd be a liar because she didn't fulfill the GA requirements for a high school graduation. She's worried about future job applications because they all ask if the applicant has graduated. I told her if she decided later to go to college, we would figure out what to do because of their requirements. Even the 2-yr colleges want a certain set of courses to be completed, which she doesn't have. She's rather angry about it all.
"How does a home school handle transcripts and diplomas?
According to the Georgia Home School Law that recognized home schools as an educational entity along with private and public schools, you as the officials of the school have the right to determine graduation requirements, recognize graduation status, grant diplomas, and issue transcripts. Since colleges, universities, and businesses have certain unspecified expectations on these documents, check with the institution or business to determine what they require."
http://www.ghea.org/pages/resources/tips.php
It won't be a GA-accredited diploma, but, as in most states, since homeschooling is, like private school, a legal, recognized alternative to public school, the awarding of a diploma by the homeschool is perfectly fine.
Andrea
All she wants to do is work. I think she wants to know that other people her age are doing fine without accredited diplomas. Georgia doesn't allow homeschool parents to award diplomas, but I can call her graduated. Her dad/stepmom told her she'd be a liar because she didn't fulfill the GA requirements for a high school graduation. She's worried about future job applications because they all ask if the applicant has graduated. I told her if she decided later to go to college, we would figure out what to do because of their requirements. Even the 2-yr colleges want a certain set of courses to be completed, which she doesn't have. She's rather angry about it all.
> > How can I help her?
> > Beth
>
carnationsgalore
> It doesn't sound like she was ever really deschooled orNo, I don't think she had a chance to truly come away from the school mindset, though I did see her trying. She talks to me alot but the guilt from her dad & stepmom just overwhelm her sometimes. Recently, she went on a vacation with her dad & stepmom and they surprised her by driving her to a college campus where they started in on her again. It totally caught her off guard. She's angry that no one other than me understands how she feels, and worse, they won't even try.
> unschooling, if she went to school to the age of 16, took
> correspondence courses and is angry with you (? or someone)
> about the whole situation.
She doesn't regret leaving school at all. She doesn't know how to handle the people who say she has quit. She doesn't like that they believe she gave up, when she's proud of herself for choosing her own path. She doesn't want to finish school because she feels she's had more than enough. She's also had enough of trying to explain to her friends and dad about how she feels because they really don't listen.
I was hoping to help her connect with other people who choose not to follow a traditional path and get a diploma. Right now, she doesn't know anyone beyond high school age that does not have a diploma. I tell her to believe in herself and over time, her friends will just stop thinking about her education. Right now, it's all important to them and her dad because she would have graduated last May if she had stayed in school. And now, it's time for them to go to college and she's left behind, in their eyes. She's happy to see a few of them go, but she'll miss the rest. She is happy that she isn't going because it's not something she wants to do.
Beth
carnationsgalore
> Er... I think you need to help her get something other people canReally? I don't see it that way at all. I can't even begin to imagine how I could have forced her to finish those classes or to take more. I really don't think she should compromise her choices because of the misunderstandings of other people. But I can certainly talk to her again and share that opinion.
> understand, whether that's a diploma or GED or enough college credits
> to obviate either. You've fallen down on the job, there, and she has
> a right to be angry! It doesn't help in the least to tell someone
> "its okay if you don't have a diploma" if everyone else that person
> knows is going to make trouble about it - its not okay.
Beth
Jenny Cyphers
***She's happy to see a few of them go, but she'll miss the rest. She is happy
that she isn't going because it's not something she wants to do.***
What DOES she want to do? That would be a key question I think! She wants to
work, so how do you help her incorporate the skills she has, the things she
likes into a job? What about working from an intern position, non pay, to
establish a resume or have something to put on a job application?
It surprises me how many people don't even question the college track. College
is very expensive and doesn't necessarily have the pay off return that people
think it has. Not any more anyway. This has an interesting take on it, from a
purely financial aspect:
http://www.dailyfinance.com/story/investing/seven-reasons-not-to-send-your-kids-to-college/19572537/
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that she isn't going because it's not something she wants to do.***
What DOES she want to do? That would be a key question I think! She wants to
work, so how do you help her incorporate the skills she has, the things she
likes into a job? What about working from an intern position, non pay, to
establish a resume or have something to put on a job application?
It surprises me how many people don't even question the college track. College
is very expensive and doesn't necessarily have the pay off return that people
think it has. Not any more anyway. This has an interesting take on it, from a
purely financial aspect:
http://www.dailyfinance.com/story/investing/seven-reasons-not-to-send-your-kids-to-college/19572537/
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Sandra Dodd
-=-She's angry that no one other than me understands how she feels,
and worse, they won't even try. -=-
Angry with the world?
Angry with you?
Would "frustrated" be a better term for it? Could you coach her or
persuade her that the anger isn't helpful?
http://sandradodd.com/angst
Maybe she could look at that, or you could look at that and help her
to feel angst without finding a culprit or a cause.
-=-And now, it's time for them to go to college and she's left behind,
in their eyes. She's happy to see a few of them go, but she'll miss
the rest. She is happy that she isn't going because it's not something
she wants to do-=-
Over the next few years some will drop out, and be stuck with loans.
Some will finish and not get the job they wanted. Some will stay in
because college was going well, and get advanced degrees. Judging by
this list, some of those will become stay-at-home moms. :-)
Maybe conversations about the range of existence and uses of high
school diplomas and college degrees would help her. Maybe list
everybody you know, all your relatives, all your neighbors, and try to
fill in what you know of their education and current and former
employment. Maybe that could be a soothing hobby and also a kind of
study of happiness. Which of those people seem the most content and
helpful to others? It might help her decide she does want to go to go
to college, at some point, but not necessarily this year.
Maybe, too, she could keep in touch with those going-to-college
friends and see how they're doing. They'll be having fun, and then
they'll have tests and papers due... Maybe she could vicariously
chart their emotions without having to do those papers or buy those
$120 books herself.
As to connections, though, of meeting unschoolers, I have a couple of
observations. Holly was talking just this afternoon (not in a
positive way) about some unschooled teens who seem to have no friends
other than other unschoolers, and it seemed they did NOT live in the
real world. (Holly has friends who were unschooled--tons of them.
She has that many or more friends who did go to school.) And knowing
someone who didn't go to school if it comes up naturally is okay (and
that's part of what conferences are for; I don't know whether you went
to conferences when she was 16 or 17, but that would've been the time
to get her connected with other teens), but unschooled kids don't have
any obligation to befriend someone who tried to but didn't really
quite unschool, nor even those who did unschool for 12 years. That's
as little to base a friendship on as going to the same high school
is. Some kids really do hit it off, and some don't, but the idea that
unschoolers have social obligations to other unschoolers can be
problematical.
Sandra
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and worse, they won't even try. -=-
Angry with the world?
Angry with you?
Would "frustrated" be a better term for it? Could you coach her or
persuade her that the anger isn't helpful?
http://sandradodd.com/angst
Maybe she could look at that, or you could look at that and help her
to feel angst without finding a culprit or a cause.
-=-And now, it's time for them to go to college and she's left behind,
in their eyes. She's happy to see a few of them go, but she'll miss
the rest. She is happy that she isn't going because it's not something
she wants to do-=-
Over the next few years some will drop out, and be stuck with loans.
Some will finish and not get the job they wanted. Some will stay in
because college was going well, and get advanced degrees. Judging by
this list, some of those will become stay-at-home moms. :-)
Maybe conversations about the range of existence and uses of high
school diplomas and college degrees would help her. Maybe list
everybody you know, all your relatives, all your neighbors, and try to
fill in what you know of their education and current and former
employment. Maybe that could be a soothing hobby and also a kind of
study of happiness. Which of those people seem the most content and
helpful to others? It might help her decide she does want to go to go
to college, at some point, but not necessarily this year.
Maybe, too, she could keep in touch with those going-to-college
friends and see how they're doing. They'll be having fun, and then
they'll have tests and papers due... Maybe she could vicariously
chart their emotions without having to do those papers or buy those
$120 books herself.
As to connections, though, of meeting unschoolers, I have a couple of
observations. Holly was talking just this afternoon (not in a
positive way) about some unschooled teens who seem to have no friends
other than other unschoolers, and it seemed they did NOT live in the
real world. (Holly has friends who were unschooled--tons of them.
She has that many or more friends who did go to school.) And knowing
someone who didn't go to school if it comes up naturally is okay (and
that's part of what conferences are for; I don't know whether you went
to conferences when she was 16 or 17, but that would've been the time
to get her connected with other teens), but unschooled kids don't have
any obligation to befriend someone who tried to but didn't really
quite unschool, nor even those who did unschool for 12 years. That's
as little to base a friendship on as going to the same high school
is. Some kids really do hit it off, and some don't, but the idea that
unschoolers have social obligations to other unschoolers can be
problematical.
Sandra
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Sandra Dodd
-=- I can't even begin to imagine how I could have forced her to
finish those classes or to take more. I really don't think she should
compromise her choices because of the misunderstandings of other
people. -=-
That was a response to this:
-=- You've fallen down on the job, there, and she has
leaves school tells her that it's fine not to have a diploma, but then
can't make that so, that was falling down on the job. If the daughter
is angry at the mom for leading her to believe that she would be as
other unschoolers, but unschooling never really happened, that might
be the cause of the anger.
This is another tale of divorce as a factor, I think. The parents
didn't agree on creating a supportive space in which the teen could
recover, blossom and change.
Sandra
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finish those classes or to take more. I really don't think she should
compromise her choices because of the misunderstandings of other
people. -=-
That was a response to this:
-=- You've fallen down on the job, there, and she has
> a right to be angry! It doesn't help in the least to tell someoneI think the point might have been that if the mom of someone who
> "its okay if you don't have a diploma" if everyone else that person
> knows is going to make trouble about it - its not okay.-=-
leaves school tells her that it's fine not to have a diploma, but then
can't make that so, that was falling down on the job. If the daughter
is angry at the mom for leading her to believe that she would be as
other unschoolers, but unschooling never really happened, that might
be the cause of the anger.
This is another tale of divorce as a factor, I think. The parents
didn't agree on creating a supportive space in which the teen could
recover, blossom and change.
Sandra
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lylaw
From: Sandra Dodd
Sent: Sunday, August 15, 2010 1:10 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [AlwaysLearning] Re: Young adult connections
-=-She's angry that no one other than me understands how she feels,
and worse, they won't even try. -=-
Angry with the world?
Angry with you?
Would "frustrated" be a better term for it? Could you coach her or
persuade her that the anger isn't helpful?
http://sandradodd.com/angst
******
that link is broken- I'd love to see it too. thanks,
lyla
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Sent: Sunday, August 15, 2010 1:10 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [AlwaysLearning] Re: Young adult connections
-=-She's angry that no one other than me understands how she feels,
and worse, they won't even try. -=-
Angry with the world?
Angry with you?
Would "frustrated" be a better term for it? Could you coach her or
persuade her that the anger isn't helpful?
http://sandradodd.com/angst
******
that link is broken- I'd love to see it too. thanks,
lyla
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Heather
try this...sandradodd.com/teen/angst
heather
heather
On Sun, Aug 15, 2010 at 2:58 PM, lylaw <lylaw@...> wrote:
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> From: Sandra Dodd
> Sent: Sunday, August 15, 2010 1:10 PM
> To: [email protected] <AlwaysLearning%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Re: [AlwaysLearning] Re: Young adult connections
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>
> -=-She's angry that no one other than me understands how she feels,
> and worse, they won't even try. -=-
>
> Angry with the world?
> Angry with you?
>
> Would "frustrated" be a better term for it? Could you coach her or
> persuade her that the anger isn't helpful?
>
> http://sandradodd.com/angst
>
> ******
>
> that link is broken- I'd love to see it too. thanks,
>
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Sandra Dodd
carnationsgalore
> What DOES she want to do? That would be a key question I think!Oh I'm sorry! I didn't realize I didn't mention her job. She adores her job. She's worked there about 10 months now and was made a shift manager just a few weeks ago. It's a small Asian cafe in an outdoor mall area. Right now, she wants to become a full manager and then at some point in the future, she would like to become a business owner like my brother-in-law. He became a franchise owner of Domino's Pizza after working as a manager for a couple of years. Also, her boss became a business owner in the same way. Neither of them attended college before becoming business owners and so she sees it isn't a necessary step in fulfilling her dream.
Beth
carnationsgalore
> Maybe list everybody you know, all your relatives, all yourI like this idea.
> neighbors, and try to fill in what you know of their education
> and current and former employment.
> Some kids really do hit it off, and some don't, but the idea thatActually, she was hoping to find a website or some blogs that put a positive light on unschooled adults. All she hears is negative comments about not having a diploma. We were talking and I told her it would be nice if we could find people who have positive experiences without a high school diploma, since the only experiences she is hearing are all negative.
> unschoolers have social obligations to other unschoolers can be
> problematical.
Beth
Sandra Dodd
-=-Actually, she was hoping to find a website or some blogs that put a
positive light on unschooled adults. -=-
http://sandradodd.com/teens
http://radiofreeschool.blogspot.com/2010/04/cameron-lovejoy-is-this-what-i-want-to.html
http://eligerzon.com/blog/
Sandra
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positive light on unschooled adults. -=-
http://sandradodd.com/teens
http://radiofreeschool.blogspot.com/2010/04/cameron-lovejoy-is-this-what-i-want-to.html
http://eligerzon.com/blog/
Sandra
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Jenny Cyphers
***Right now, she wants to become a full manager and then at some point in the
future, she would like to become a business owner like my brother-in-law.***
Does her father know that this is her plan? If he doesn't know, then perhaps
she should tell him. Down the road, she could leave it open to her father
helping her find business classes that might help her with that goal, or help
with a small business loan instead of paying for college. Maybe it's just a
matter of wanting to know that she has a plan and that she will be okay.
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future, she would like to become a business owner like my brother-in-law.***
Does her father know that this is her plan? If he doesn't know, then perhaps
she should tell him. Down the road, she could leave it open to her father
helping her find business classes that might help her with that goal, or help
with a small business loan instead of paying for college. Maybe it's just a
matter of wanting to know that she has a plan and that she will be okay.
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NCMama
Idzie Desmarais has written about grown unschoolers; there are a couple of links on this page, and some of her other posts are about being an older unschooler:
http://yes-i-can-write.blogspot.com/p/grown-unschoolers.html
Caren
http://yes-i-can-write.blogspot.com/p/grown-unschoolers.html
Caren
plaidpanties666
"carnationsgalore" <addled.homemaker@...> wrote:
I'm sorry I wasn't clear - I meant that you, personally, need to do more research not "you" meaning "you and her" or that you should force her do anything in particular. A diploma, or something other people recognize as one, is a tool your dd can use to protect herself against other people. Without that tool, she's wide open to attack.
It looks like Georgia has several different possible avenues for "graduation". Its worth looking into them, and checking with some umbrella schools. Some will accept a portfolio or interview and provide you with a diploma, others will likely want you to "enroll" for a year. The point, though, isn't to make your dd jump through more hoops, but to find her a tool she can use to get other people off her back. Here are a couple links pulled off the top of a pile with some information on the subject:
http://homeschoolingingeorgia.com/beyondbasics/highschool.aspx
http://www.homeschooling-paradise.com/georgia-homeschool.html
Another tool she may prefer is cutting off relationships that don't support her choices, at least in the short term. Its not a gentle and graceful option, but its good to at least have it on the table, especially if she's likely to be taken somewhere against her will.
Another option is simply to agree with people, to their faces, and so put an end to the conversation. "You're right" can bring an arguement to a grinding halt and provide the opportunity to change the subject.
---Meredith
>> Really? I don't see it that way at all. I can't even begin to imagine how I could have forced her to finish those classes or to take more.***************
I'm sorry I wasn't clear - I meant that you, personally, need to do more research not "you" meaning "you and her" or that you should force her do anything in particular. A diploma, or something other people recognize as one, is a tool your dd can use to protect herself against other people. Without that tool, she's wide open to attack.
It looks like Georgia has several different possible avenues for "graduation". Its worth looking into them, and checking with some umbrella schools. Some will accept a portfolio or interview and provide you with a diploma, others will likely want you to "enroll" for a year. The point, though, isn't to make your dd jump through more hoops, but to find her a tool she can use to get other people off her back. Here are a couple links pulled off the top of a pile with some information on the subject:
http://homeschoolingingeorgia.com/beyondbasics/highschool.aspx
http://www.homeschooling-paradise.com/georgia-homeschool.html
Another tool she may prefer is cutting off relationships that don't support her choices, at least in the short term. Its not a gentle and graceful option, but its good to at least have it on the table, especially if she's likely to be taken somewhere against her will.
Another option is simply to agree with people, to their faces, and so put an end to the conversation. "You're right" can bring an arguement to a grinding halt and provide the opportunity to change the subject.
---Meredith