hdp463

Hello, I am a SAHM,well if you can call it that. It seems I'm on the go a lot. I have 2 boyz, 3 & 5 at home. I have been doing the unschooling method most of their lives really without realizing it. I want to continue. Neither one of them like the sit down and write in a book, but love to explore on the computer and play Daddy's games. With that, here is my question. Do any of you know of a link or software/game that is more on a 5-8+ year old level but with the technology used in a more advanced game? He loves to play Far Cry 2 and Half Life and does so very well. I just want something a little less graphic.

Thank you for letting me join.

Helen

Sue Persaud

Try Freddie Fish. They are "solve the mystery" games that use and
develop great thinking, memory and analytical skills. Both my children
loved it. Geared for about 4-9 age range.

Try your local library, they might have a copy. We also found them at Winners (hit and miss).

Sue





--- On Fri, 6/25/10, hdp463 <hdp463@...> wrote:

From: hdp463 <hdp463@...>
Subject: [AlwaysLearning] Intro and ?
To: [email protected]
Received: Friday, June 25, 2010, 2:02 PM







 









Hello,
I am a SAHM,well if you can call it that. It seems I'm on the go a lot.
I have 2 boyz, 3 & 5 at home. I have been doing the unschooling
method most of their lives really without realizing it. I want to
continue. Neither one of them like the sit down and write in a book,
but love to explore on the computer and play Daddy's games. With that,
here is my question. Do any of you know of a link or software/game that
is more on a 5-8+ year old level but with the technology used in a more
advanced game? He loves to play Far Cry 2 and Half Life and does so
very well. I just want something a little less graphic.



Thank you for letting me join.



Helen
























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plaidpanties666

"hdp463" <hdp463@...> wrote:
> He loves to play Far Cry 2 and Half Life and does so very well. I just want something a little less graphic.
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What is it about the games that they like - sorry I don't know those two! Do they like fight sequences or puzzles or solving mysteries? Something I've found helpful is to go to Amazon and follow the trails that say "customers who bought this also bought" and see where they lead. That's been really helpful in terms of finding new games that have similar characteristics to those my kids like.

What do you mean "less graphic" - that the graphics take up too much memory and the games are bogging down your computer? We had that problem for awhile. Getting a second computer helped that. You could also look into a console system (PS, Xbox, Wii...) since there are more kid-friendly games available for any of those systems than for computer.

---Meredith

Rinelle

"hdp463" <hdp463@...> wrote:
> He loves to play Far Cry 2 and Half Life and does so very well. I just
> want something a little less graphic.
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>What is it about the games that they like - sorry I don't know those two!
>Do they like fight sequences or puzzles or solving mysteries? Something
>I've found helpful is to go to Amazon and follow the trails that say
>"customers who bought this also bought" and see where they lead. That's
>been really helpful in terms of finding new games that have similar
>characteristics to those my kids like. >

These are both 3D first person shooters. My husband has enjoyed both of
them.

>What do you mean "less graphic">

I think what the origional poster meant was that the fight/kill scenes are
quite graphic, as in they show in a lot of detail the various ways in which
the enemies are blown to pieces. I think my husband has also mentioned that
a lot of more recent first person shooters are becoming more and more
graphic in their gore, to the point where he sometimes finds them unpleasant
to play.

My DH is enjoying Just Cause 2 at the moment, which is a little less
graphic, though still a first person shooter. There are also a lot of other
fun elements to the game that don't involve (as much) violence.

For a different style of game, the strategy games such as Age of Empires and
Command and Conquer are a lot less graphic, but still fun to play.

I'd be interested in hearing what the more experienced unschoolers think
about these graphically violent computer games? My daughter (who's 6) is
interested in watching DH play, but he's a little uncomfortable with her
seeing the graphic violence in them.

Tamara

Guillaume JAY

----- "hdp463" <hdp463@...> a écrit :


> >. Do any of you know of a link or software/game that is more on a 5-8+ year old level but with the technology used in a more advanced game? He loves to play Far Cry 2 and Half Life and does so very well. I just want something a little less graphic.



Mathieu loves Star wars BattleFront 2 . A bit old (for gamer geeks anyways), but star wars themed (a very big plus : all the big monsters, places, jedis and sith..), and with not much graphic violence : you're shooting at droids, or people in full armor, so no blood, no dismemberment. (at least, I don't remember seeing something shocking - but I'm not easily shocked in games, and everything is relative : we have some ( un/home)schooling friends who do not like the idea of shooting anything).





7$ on amazon.com : http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=star+wars+battelefront+2&x=0&y=0

> Guillaume

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Pam Sorooshian

On 6/28/2010 12:32 AM, Rinelle wrote:
> "hdp463" <hdp463@...> wrote:
> > He loves to play Far Cry 2 and Half Life and does so very well. I just
> > want something a little less graphic.

My daughter is LOVING Blur - a new car racing game. Still great
graphics, especially explosions, but not the gory stuff with body parts
being blown off, etc. She's playing both individually and the
multiplayer online mode with friends.

I haven't played yet - but it is described as Mario Kart meets WipeOut.
It doesn't really look like either, visually - it is in real locales
with very realistic cars.

-pam





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Joyce Fetteroll

On Jun 28, 2010, at 3:32 AM, Rinelle wrote:

> I'd be interested in hearing what the more experienced unschoolers
> think
> about these graphically violent computer games? My daughter (who's
> 6) is
> interested in watching DH play, but he's a little uncomfortable with
> her
> seeing the graphic violence in them.

If children are secure, loved, happy and choose to playact violence,
it's a way to safely explore a world where the rules are completely
different. It can be a blast to do things you can't or won't in real
life because the real-life consequences are too unpleasant. A polygon
person blowing up into polygons shaped like legs and heads and blood
and guts is not in the same universe with a real person blowing up.
Not even close. No one has died. Kids know that. It's the adults that
have problems grasping the difference ;-)

What I'd be concerned with is that she may not want to see the gore
but really wants to be with her dad, sharing something with him. And
she's willing to put up with something unpleasant for something that's
ultra-wonderful for her. If he sees that, he could ask her if there
are games she likes better -- which could prompt a discussion of the
pros and cons of various games and what each likes and dislikes :-).
He could offer to play with her, do something else with her, but she
really may enjoy watching. I don't know why it's fun to watch someone
else play a video game, but sometimes it is. My daughter and I have
both watched each other pull weeds in Animal Crossing so it's not
always about watching to learn ;-)

You could ask her if the violence bothers her but it's possible she
will say it doesn't because she might think she'll lose the time with
her dad if she says it does.

Joyce

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Sandra Dodd

-=-What I'd be concerned with is that she may not want to see the gore
but really wants to be with her dad, sharing something with him.-=-

Maybe she could find a way to be near him while he plays without
watching so closely. If he's sitting up, maybe she could sit behind
him, back to back, leaning on him. If he's on a couch, maybe she
could sit next to him and play with something else, maybe lean on him.

Nobody's making her watch the pixelated imaginary gore (it's not real
gore), so if she can look away, close her eyes or leave altogether,
it's not "violence." It's being with her dad, who is being home.
Some dads... (Some? Millions.) Some dads are out drinking or hanging
out with non-family, or telling lies and fooling around on their
wives. If a dad is home with his daughter, playing a game, I advise
against the mom being critical of the details of that.

Sandra

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Pam Sorooshian

On 6/28/2010 7:29 AM, Sandra Dodd wrote:
> If a dad is home with his daughter, playing a game, I advise
> against the mom being critical of the details of that.

Yes - I was thinking this, too. Be careful of coming across to your
husband as critical of it even just by mentioning concerns about it
being gory. IF the kid is fine with it, then encourage it, support it,
be happy they're hanging out and building that connection.

Speaking as mom to a girl who plays a lot of (violent and gory) video
games, she is sweet and happy and kind. In fact, I told her I'd
recommended Blur and she lit up and said how fun it is. But then she
said something interesting:

From Rose: If parents would think about what it is they're worrying
over in violent video games, it would be better. Do they really think
their kid is going to find themselves in video game like situations -
carrying a bazooka or an AK47? The situations are very unrealistic for
a real person. On the other hand, they probably ARE going to be driving
a car, so maybe the far-less-gory racing games are the ones they should
worry about.

Anyway - her point was that they shouldn't worry about any of it.

Her boyfriend, Daniel, told me, yesterday, how he'd learned to budget
his money and managed to save a bunch even while working at a minimum
wage job and paying his own expenses. He said he used the same strategy
he'd learned playing Guild Wars and he went on to tell me all about the
ideas of considering trade-offs and comparing costs and benefits, etc.

Rosie and Daniel are going to talk about the benefits of video games at
the HSC Conference in August in Sacramento. Kirby Dodd will be there,
too, so maybe he'll be part of that, as well.

-pam

plaidpanties666

"Rinelle" <rinelle@...> wrote:
> I'd be interested in hearing what the more experienced unschoolers think
> about these graphically violent computer games?

My 16yo loves games with lots of blood and gore, but prefers swords and battle-axes to guns in games. In buying games for kids and helping them find games they enjoy, it can be important to figure out what parts they like. Ray likes a little problem-solving, some steamy scenes now and then, and lots of gore.

He's not a violent person, irl, if anything he's very good at non-violent problem solving.

My 8yo dd sometimes watches him play, but doesn't play the same sorts of games, herself. She prefers games like Spongebob: Battle for Bikini Bottom and the like, some of which include killing pretend animals or people. She's never once tried to take out the cats with a sword ;) She does enjoy playing Ray's skateboarding game - which has lots of blood in the crashes, although no body parts flying every which way, but she plays it very differently than he does. Where Ray likes to crash and crash and crash again, Mo prefers to create the different parks in that portion of the game - that's something I look for more and more when I'm shopping for games for her, the ability to generate parts of the game, design environments or whatever. Ray has almost no interest in that sort of thing.

---Meredith (Mo 8, Ray 16)

plaidpanties666

Pam Sorooshian <pamsoroosh@...> wrote:
>> Her boyfriend, Daniel, told me, yesterday, how he'd learned to budget
> his money and managed to save a bunch even while working at a minimum
> wage job and paying his own expenses. He said he used the same strategy
> he'd learned playing Guild Wars and he went on to tell me all about the
> ideas of considering trade-offs and comparing costs and benefits, etc.

Ray learned a lot about budgetting and also about buying and selling by playing Runescape. Lately he's been selling handcrafts and such at smaller music festivals and he's using a lot of the principles he picked up trading grain for swords (or whatever) in terms of deciding when to barter goods for goods and then re-sell those goods at other venues, and where he'll get the best rates of return. That's something adult vendors don't always consider!

---Meredith

Jenny Cyphers

***I'd be interested in hearing what the more experienced unschoolers think
about these graphically violent computer games? My daughter (who's 6) is
interested in watching DH play, but he's a little uncomfortable with her
seeing the graphic violence in them.***


If a 6 yr old is interested in hanging out and watching her dad play these games, I think she's likely able to handle the graphic nature. Some 6 yr olds can't and won't and aren't at all interested in these things. Her dad is likely her big protector and knight in shining armor all at once and he's the one fighting the bad guys. Kids are also pretty capable at seeing the difference between reality and pretend. Around the age of 5/6, kids start being more aware of that difference, and some kids are pretty terrified by it, suddenly are afraid of the dark or being alone, or watching a show or movie that used to not bother them. I've seen that happen with lots of kids around that age, so if your daughter is watching and it's not bothering her, I'd say to let it go.





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C Johnson

"I'd be interested in hearing what the more experienced unschoolers think
about these graphically violent computer games? My daughter (who's 6) is
interested in watching DH play, but he's a little uncomfortable with her
seeing the graphic violence in them"
 
My 10 yro son has been playing video games since he was very young. I have noticed he regulates himself as far as what is too violent. For example he plays a lot of video games that have violence, but does not enjoy violent movies at all. For him video game violence is totally different than TV/movie kind of violence.
 
BB,
Chrissie

"All you have to decide is what to do with the time you have been given." Gandalf















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Sandra Dodd

-=- I have noticed he regulates himself as far as what is too violent.
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Do you mean he makes choices and has preferences?

Or does he have rules and measurements for himself that he keeps?

(Objection to "regulation" or the idea of self regulation...)

http://sandradodd.com/self-regulation

Sandra

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k

Karl will be 7 soon and he still avoids things with live actors
depicting violence, finding it more watchable in vidgames and
cartoons.

~Katherine




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C Johnson

I apologize for the wording. I mean Justin makes his own choices and has his own preferences. If he feels something is too graphic he won't watch it. My 13 yro daughter is the same way :-)
 
BB,
Chrissie

"All you have to decide is what to do with the time you have been given." Gandalf

--- On Mon, 6/28/10, Sandra Dodd <Sandra@...> wrote:


From: Sandra Dodd <Sandra@...>
Subject: Re: [AlwaysLearning] Re: Intro and ?
To: [email protected]
Date: Monday, June 28, 2010, 7:18 PM


 



-=- I have noticed he regulates himself as far as what is too violent.
-=-

Do you mean he makes choices and has preferences?

Or does he have rules and measurements for himself that he keeps?

(Objection to "regulation" or the idea of self regulation...)

http://sandradodd.com/self-regulation

Sandra

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Rinelle

From: Joyce Fetteroll

**What I'd be concerned with is that she may not want to see the gore
but really wants to be with her dad, sharing something with him. And
she's willing to put up with something unpleasant for something that's
ultra-wonderful for her. If he sees that, he could ask her if there
are games she likes better -- which could prompt a discussion of the
pros and cons of various games and what each likes and dislikes :-).
He could offer to play with her, do something else with her, but she
really may enjoy watching. I don't know why it's fun to watch someone
else play a video game, but sometimes it is. My daughter and I have
both watched each other pull weeds in Animal Crossing so it's not
always about watching to learn ;-)

You could ask her if the violence bothers her but it's possible she
will say it doesn't because she might think she'll lose the time with
her dad if she says it does. **

I'm pretty sure that isn't her motivation. She and her dad spend a lot of
time playing together, both computer games (ranging from spyro, to car/bike
racing, to barbie or World of zoo), so the games DH plays are certainly not
their only connect time. DH is home full time, and since I am working from
home, he spends a lot of one on one time with DD.

I suppose there is a possibility that she sees them as the exciting games,
as DH usually only plays them after she's in bed.

With most of the games she plays, she would rather DH or I are there playing
them with her, often for her. I think she struggles with making the
computer/playstation do what she wants, so it's easier for her to direct us,
and us to do the actuall controlling of the game.

Tamara

Rinelle

** Nobody's making her watch the pixelated imaginary gore (it's not real
gore), so if she can look away, close her eyes or leave altogether,
it's not "violence." It's being with her dad, who is being home.
Some dads... (Some? Millions.) Some dads are out drinking or hanging
out with non-family, or telling lies and fooling around on their
wives. If a dad is home with his daughter, playing a game, I advise
against the mom being critical of the details of that. **

As I mentioned in a previous message, this is only one of the things DD and
DH do together. We're very lucky in having DH home full time, and having
plenty of time to do things as a family.

One thing I wanted to make clear though, DH is the one having the issue with
the violence in the games, not me. He will only play them after she's gone
to bed, or do small bits in areas where he knows he's not going to encounter
anything etc. I was asking the question to get some opinions, and hopefully
to be able to offer him some thoughts/ideas that might make him a little
more comfortable with her playing with him.

Tamara

Sandra Dodd

-=-. I was asking the question to get some opinions, and hopefully
to be able to offer him some thoughts/ideas that might make him a little
more comfortable with her playing with him.-=-

And my opinion was that you should not discuss it with him or ask why
he can't do it other times.

It's not an isolated part of life. The relationships are more
important than the details of any particular game.

Sandra

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Pam Sorooshian

On 6/28/2010 7:37 PM, Rinelle wrote:
> One thing I wanted to make clear though, DH is the one having the
> issue with
> the violence in the games, not me. He will only play them after she's
> gone
> to bed, or do small bits in areas where he knows he's not going to
> encounter
> anything etc. I was asking the question to get some opinions, and
> hopefully
> to be able to offer him some thoughts/ideas that might make him a little
> more comfortable with her playing with him.

I don't really get the problem. Let him play after she's gone to bed and
play Spyro with her during the the day. Seems like an okay arrangement.

-pam