Julie Stauffer

<<You mean she just plays all day>>

Oh yes. BJU is a favorite in this neck of the woods as well.

Adriane (11) told one of the school-at-home moms that she just watches
television all day (Adriane loves the look on their faces) a couple of weeks
ago. To which the mom gasped "YOU DO NOT?!?!" and looked at me. I said
that the kids watch what they want when they want, sometimes that is all
day, sometimes it is not at all. Then the mom told Adriane that she is very
particular about what her children are exposed to, nothing magic, no fairies
or goblins or witches....something about these things being abominations to
God or some such rot.

The mom said she just this year let her kids (10 and 9) watch "The Wizard of
Oz" and that she sat right next to them, informing the kids of God's alleged
views on the subject. To which Adriane responded "YOU DID NOT?!?!?"

Julie

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In a message dated 3/8/02 1:49:49 PM Eastern Standard Time, jnjstau@...
writes:


> The mom said she just this year let her kids (10 and 9) watch "The Wizard of
> Oz" and that she sat right next to them, informing the kids of God's
> alleged
> views on the subject. To which Adriane responded "YOU DID NOT?!?!?"
>

Snork! Oh these kids of ours just rock, do they not? You go, Adriane. Such
sharp wit. I love it.

~Ginny


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In a message dated 3/8/02 11:50:08 AM, jnjstau@... writes:

<<
The mom said she just this year let her kids (10 and 9) watch "The Wizard of
Oz" and that she sat right next to them, informing the kids of God's alleged
views on the subject. To which Adriane responded "YOU DID NOT?!?!?" >>

And monkeys might fly out my... castle.


Sandra
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On Fri, 8 Mar 2002 12:25:13 -0600 "Julie Stauffer" <jnjstau@...>
writes:

> Then the mom told Adriane that she
> is very
> particular about what her children are exposed to, nothing magic, no
> fairies
> or goblins or witches....something about these things being
> abominations to
> God or some such rot.


I wonder if they watched Mary Poppins?
A little girl who used to come play with Dylan informed us she couldn't
come any more because we had demons in our house. She was talking about
the Pokemon comic book Dylan got from a pen pal in Japan. She said it
even had demon words. ( it's in Japanese ) Mom's orders. It just
seems so silly.

Deb L

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In a message dated 3/8/02 12:50:07 PM, jnjstau@... writes:

<< Then the mom told Adriane that she is very
particular about what her children are exposed to, nothing magic, no fairies
or goblins or witches....something about these things being abominations to
God or some such rot. >>

i just came back from the IL conference where I taught a Shakespeare
workshop. One of the boys, mayb 17 or 18, said he couldn't do a Puck
monologue because his mom didn't approve of fairies.

Bleach.

Paula

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In a message dated 3/9/02 5:03:43 PM, sjogy@... writes:

<< i just came back from the IL conference where I taught a Shakespeare
workshop. One of the boys, mayb 17 or 18, said he couldn't do a Puck
monologue because his mom didn't approve of fairies. >>

What Shakespearean characters might a good Christian family allow?

The only people afraid of fairies and witches are Christians. The only
people who believe Satan is hiding around the corner are Christians. The
only people who seem to believe that some cartoon lion actually summoned the
spirit of his dead cartoon-lion father are Christians (who would also be
quick to tell you that lions don't HAVE spirits). And they claim ownership
of homeschooling.

And they SEVERELY limit what their children are exposed to.

It just makes me sick.

They're worried about what kids like mine will be like when they're grown and
in society. I worry about theirs. Some will have whatever it takes to cling
to the blindness. Others will be set loose like an arrow from a 60 lb bow
and go as far from their raising as they can. I wouldn't be keen to live
next door to either one of those.

Sandra

Tia Leschke

>
>
><< i just came back from the IL conference where I taught a Shakespeare
>workshop. One of the boys, mayb 17 or 18, said he couldn't do a Puck
>monologue because his mom didn't approve of fairies. >>
>
>What Shakespearean characters might a good Christian family allow?

Did you see the letter in the Jan/Feb issue of HEM. I forget which section
it was in, one of the question and answer ones, I think. This guy says we
were lied to when we were told Shakespeare is good literature, because he
"continually glorifies suicide".
Tia

No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.
Eleanor Roosevelt
*********************************************
Tia Leschke
leschke@...
On Vancouver Island

Nancy Wooton

on 3/9/02 4:20 PM, SandraDodd@... at SandraDodd@... wrote:

>
> In a message dated 3/9/02 5:03:43 PM, sjogy@... writes:
>
> << i just came back from the IL conference where I taught a Shakespeare
> workshop. One of the boys, mayb 17 or 18, said he couldn't do a Puck
> monologue because his mom didn't approve of fairies. >>
>
> What Shakespearean characters might a good Christian family allow?

Shylock and Iago spring to mind, but then my school studies of Shakespeare
were limited to "Merchant of Venice" and "Othello."

Sorry. That was pretty snotty.

>
> The only people afraid of fairies and witches are Christians. The only
> people who believe Satan is hiding around the corner are Christians. The
> only people who seem to believe that some cartoon lion actually summoned the
> spirit of his dead cartoon-lion father are Christians (who would also be
> quick to tell you that lions don't HAVE spirits). And they claim ownership
> of homeschooling.
>
> And they SEVERELY limit what their children are exposed to.
>
> It just makes me sick.
>
> They're worried about what kids like mine will be like when they're grown and
> in society. I worry about theirs. Some will have whatever it takes to cling
> to the blindness. Others will be set loose like an arrow from a 60 lb bow
> and go as far from their raising as they can. I wouldn't be keen to live
> next door to either one of those.

I'm reading a *fascinating* recovery book (as in 12-step recovery) called
"Never Good Enough." It's about the results of raising kids in extremely
religious families, and how codependents (usually adult children of
alcoholic or dysfunctional families) can, instead of turning to drugs or
booze, turn to "clean" addictions like workaholism or CHURCHaholism. Going
to church can be as mood-altering as tequilla shots, but it's unassailable:
who could possibly fault someone for being pious and faithful?

I think I've finally figured out what my addiction is ;-/

Nancy (adult child of an alcoholic, with two alcoholic siblings -- but I'm
the GOOD one! :-P )

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In a message dated 3/9/02 5:54:53 PM, leschke@... writes:

<< This guy says we
were lied to when we were told Shakespeare is good literature, because he
"continually glorifies suicide". >>

I'd be interested in what his definition of "good literature" is then.

I think there's no more "good literature" than there is "good music."
There's literature that gets awards, that sells a lot, that lasts 200 years,
that changes lives, and yet an one piece of literature will be loved by some
and hated by some. I like some music that others hate. So it goes.

I'm sure Shakespeare fans would be able to defend their affection for at
least some of the stuff. (I could do without sonnets totally, and Corialanus
was a big drag.) I hope he would be able to defend his own definition of
"good."

Sandra

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In a message dated 3/9/02 6:09:06 PM, ikonstitcher@... writes:

<< Shylock and Iago spring to mind, but then my school studies of Shakespeare
were limited to "Merchant of Venice" and "Othello." >>

Eeek.
Both depressing and about race/ethnicity.

<<instead of turning to drugs or
booze, turn to "clean" addictions like workaholism or CHURCHaholism.>>

I was at the car wash this evening with Holly and the dog, getting gallons of
water. There was a young man and his son, washing a NICE new sporty car. I
was thinking in a (perhaps) prejudiced way how long that father/son
relationship was going to last. Then I thought that I should be ashamed of
myself, and then I thought "Five years, tops."

THEN I thought "But maybe they go to church..." And I think if the choices
are drugs/alcohol/partying or church, church is the lesser of two evils.

And I thought of how many people are unaware that there is any life betwen
those two extremes.

I remember, when I was young and fervently Baptist, thinking that people who
stayed home instead of went to church must really be frightening people,
commiting ALL the sins they could think of, because they didn't have Jesus to
save them from themselves. Why not sin away if you didn't believe in hell
anyway? Just sin, sin, sin. Drink and dance. FORNicate.

Time passed. <g>

Sandra

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>>>>he couldn't do a Puck monologue because his mom didn't approve of
fairies.>>>

This seems to go along with this thread.
Mary Ellen

--------- Forwarded message ----------
A mom asks her son what he learned in Sunday school. He says that the
Egyptian army was chasing the Israelis. When they got to the Red Sea,
the Israelis had ships waiting to transport their personnel and called in
airstrikes on the Egyptian positions. The Israelis successfully evac-ed
their civilians and the counterstrikes from above wiped out the Egyptian
high command.

"Is that really what they taught you?" asks the befuddled mom.

"No," the kid replies, "But if I told you what they really told me, you'd
never believe it."

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moonmeghan

--- In AlwaysLearning@y..., "Julie Stauffer" <jnjstau@g...> wrote:
> <<You mean she just plays all day>>
>
> Oh yes. BJU is a favorite in this neck of the woods as well.
>
> Adriane (11) told one of the school-at-home moms that she
just watches
> television all day (Adriane loves the look on their faces) a
couple of weeks
> ago. To which the mom gasped "YOU DO NOT?!?!" and
looked at me. I said
> that the kids watch what they want when they want, sometimes
that is all
> day, sometimes it is not at all. Then the mom told Adriane that
she is very
> particular about what her children are exposed to, nothing
magic, no fairies
> or goblins or witches....something about these things being
abominations to
> God or some such rot.
>
> The mom said she just this year let her kids (10 and 9) watch
"The Wizard of
> Oz" and that she sat right next to them, informing the kids of
God's alleged
> views on the subject. To which Adriane responded "YOU DID
NOT?!?!?"
>
> Julie

Excellent comeback Adriane!! You go girl!

Meghan :-)

moonmeghan

--- In AlwaysLearning@y..., SandraDodd@a... wrote:
>
Why not sin away if you didn't believe in hell
> anyway? Just sin, sin, sin. Drink and dance. FORNicate.

> Sandra

Oh yes! That's me all over - except the last one unfortunately :-(

Meghan <g>