Sandra Dodd

I wanted to protect my kids from being put in school against their will.

I wanted to protect my kids from the disruption of alcoholism in the
home.

I know there are lot of places online where people talk about
protecting their children. Sometimes homeschoolers, sometimes not.
If anyone has any extra energy to poke around a little, let's make a
collection of what people have publicly stated they intend to protect
their children from.

Sandra

Sandra Dodd

Protecting children from sex and violence in the Bible (and from Focus
on the Family)
http://www.elroy.net/ehr/vchip.html

Protecting children from abduction (some nice graphs on page 2)
http://www.ncjrs.gov/html/ojjdp/psc_english_02/intro.html

Protecting children from violence in the drug wars in Juarez, Mexico
http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Americas/2010/0323/Ciudad-Juarez-mobilizes-to-protect-children-from-Mexico-drug-war

In the year before the Live and Learn Conference was in Albuquerque,
someone said Mexico was only six hours away and people should drive
their kids down there and I said no, not Juarez. Not a good
neighborhood for kids to see, and too dangerous. I was accused of
being racist (wt!?!) and ignorant of the glorious and varied culture
and geography of Mexico. Well no... Just knowledgeable of the not-
so-varied realities of Ciudad Juarez. I wanted people to protect
their children from having visions of border beggars in their minds,
and from possibly being separated from parents in a scary town like
that. There's money to be made from arresting foreigners. It's not a
nice city. Why miss a day of an awesome, safe conference to risk
life and peace "to see a foreign country"? Get enough money to go to
Cabo San Lucas or Acapulco someday, but don't drive through southern
New Mexico to Juarez. Eyew. College boys get put in jail, where
their boots are stolen, and let loose barefooted if someone will bail
them out.

There are surely more child protection thoughts in the internet world/
parenting world.

Sandra

Joyce Fetteroll

On Apr 13, 2010, at 4:51 PM, Sandra Dodd wrote:
> I know there are lot of places online where people talk about
> protecting their children. Sometimes homeschoolers, sometimes not.
> If anyone has any extra energy to poke around a little, let's make a
> collection of what people have publicly stated they intend to protect
> their children from.
>
Protecting kids from Harry Potter being taught in schools:
http://www.cwfa.org/articles/195/CFI/cfreport/index.htm

Protecting kids from social networks
http://www.surfnetkids.com/safety/protecting_your_children_from_being_victims_from_social_networking_hoaxes-29972.htm

The history of protecting kids:
Not in Front of the Children
http://www.amazon.com/Not-Front-Children-Indecency-Censorship/dp/0813542219/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1271212161&sr=8-1

"argues potently that the age-old idea of protecting children from
"corrupting" influences which can be traced at least as far back as
Plato's Republic has reached dangerous proportions in the U.S.
Constructing a history of child protection movements and legal
precedents (from the Supreme Court Butler and Roth decisions in the
1950s to lawsuits brought by the ACLU and the American Library
Association to remove state mandated Internet filters from public
libraries in the 1990s), Heins charts evolving concepts of childhood,
based on such diverse sources as Philippe Ari?s's Centuries of
Childhood and SIECUS reports. She points to a new wave of social and
sexual puritanism engendered by the political and Christian right,
which takes a variety of forms, including Wendy Shalit's 1999 A Return
to Modesty and groups such as MOMS (Mothers Organized for Moral
Stability)"

Joyce

Marina DeLuca-Howard

novels...protecting children from novels was popular in the Victorian era!

Protecting children from bathing in the 1700's! and Witches. The Evil Eye.

The old Testament is big on protecting children from Masturbation(a crime
against nature!)

Marina


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Robin Bentley

> On Apr 13, 2010, at 4:51 PM, Sandra Dodd wrote:
>> I know there are lot of places online where people talk about
>> protecting their children. Sometimes homeschoolers, sometimes not.
>> If anyone has any extra energy to poke around a little, let's make a
>> collection of what people have publicly stated they intend to protect
>> their children from.
>>
Protecting Utah's schoolchildren K-12 from teaching that the U.S. is a
democracy:

To this end, we call upon legislators and state officials to correct
the K-12 social studies standards in Utah which do not mention a
single time that our form of government is a Republic. We ask that
several standards be modified to reflect a new emphasis on our proper
form of government and do away with false notions being taught in our
schools to our impressionable children.

http://www.utahsrepublic.org/

Robin B.

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Robin Bentley

>
Sorry, this should have been in quotations:

> "To this end, we call upon legislators and state officials to correct
> the K-12 social studies standards in Utah which do not mention a
> single time that our form of government is a Republic. We ask that
> several standards be modified to reflect a new emphasis on our proper
> form of government and do away with false notions being taught in our
> schools to our impressionable children."





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Sandra Dodd

-=-The old Testament is big on protecting children from Masturbation(a
crime
against nature!)-=-

I don't think that's about children. The only reference I know of is
Onan, who was told by God to go in and do his brother's wife (his dead
brother's wife? I forget) and he didn't really want to impregnate
her, so he "spilled his seed on the ground," and God got pissed off.

I don't think he masturbated it onto the ground. Is there other? (I
know church people have said lots of things are in the Bible, but
"keep your hands outside the covers" is not.

Sandra

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Shira Rocklin

-=-The old Testament is big on protecting children from Masturbation(
a
crime
against nature!)-=-

I don't think that's about children. The only reference I know of is
Onan, who was told by God to go in and do his brother's wife (his dead
brother's wife? I forget) and he didn't really want to impregnate
her, so he "spilled his seed on the ground," and God got pissed off.

I don't think he masturbated it onto the ground. Is there other? (I
know church people have said lots of things are in the Bible, but
"keep your hands outside the covers" is not.

Sandra
------------------------

I haven't heard of any other specific references to masturbation... but
I do know that I've never heard the Jewish tradition say that the Torah
is protecting children from masturbation. First of all, children are
minors and not obligated in, or held responsible for, the laws. Second,
the issue of spilling seed only applies to men, and its about wasting
and procreation, not about self-pleasuring. So its pretty complicated.
I guess the church has interpreted it differently as well.

Shira

Sandra Dodd

Protecting kids from Video Game Addiction:
http://www.crosswalk.com/parenting/11581852/

Protecting children from the lure of witchcraft (and television):
http://www.familiesonlinemagazine.com/christian_parenting-paganism.html

Protecting children from religion-based abuse
http://www.perrybulwer.com/religion-and-child-abuse-news/2010/1/20/prosecuting-israeli-cult-case-reveals-difficulty-of-protecti.html
http://www.secularhumanism.org/index.php?section=library&page=narisetti_27_4
(those two are from Israel and India; I won't even get into priests or
other Christian abuse)

evawitsel

Protecting children from sitting in the 'W position' while playing :-)

I had never heard of such a thing before, but yesterday I was told of by some other mothers because I said that I would be 'over parenting' if I would forbid my son to sit on the ground in this way!

http://www.pediatricservices.com/parents/pc-22.htm

Eva

Berend (5 yo) & Fiene (3 yo)
from The Netherlands

Sandra Dodd

I looked at that link and didn't even know what "W-sitting" was, so
used google image search.

http://www.google.com/images?hl=en&source=hp&q=w+sitting&gbv=2&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=

Found this, with an illustration of how kids should sit, and a
description:

Please encourage a "criss-cross applesauce" (AKA Tailor Sit, cross
legged, or the non PC "Indian Style") position all the time while
seated on the floor.
http://www.sayandplayfamily.com/uploaded_images/w-Sitting-783000.jpg

Huh.




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Mary Whited

Eek! Ack!
That would be funny to me if it weren't obviously taken so seriously by
some.

What is the 'W position' anyway? I'm assuming it is sitting with one's knees
facing forward and the legs bent back on either side. It is not a position
any of my children seemed to have preferred, though they each use it from
time to time.

And that explanation of holding the knees and feet together when they
creep/crawl...that seemed really over the top.

Thanks for sharing, though. I learned something new today!

peace,
Mary


On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 9:00 AM, evawitsel <evawitsel@...> wrote:

>
>
> Protecting children from sitting in the 'W position' while playing :-)
>
> I had never heard of such a thing before, but yesterday I was told of by
> some other mothers because I said that I would be 'over parenting' if I
> would forbid my son to sit on the ground in this way!
>
> http://www.pediatricservices.com/parents/pc-22.htm
>
> Eva
>
> Berend (5 yo) & Fiene (3 yo)
> from The Netherlands
>
>
>


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evawitsel

---Huh.---

Yeah. Strange isn't it? And the sad thing is that I get in lots of discussions like this. This was just one of the stranger examples.

One mother wrote on this subject (translated from Dutch): "What do you want us to do with your parenting ideas versus the expertise of a physiotherapist?"

I think it's not good when people stop thinking for themselves and only do what people who call themselves experts tell them to. But this happens a lot where I live, it's probably the same in the US.

Eva

Berend (5) & Fiene (3)
from The Netherlands

delialowell

********Protecting children from sitting in the 'W position' while playing**********

Yup, this was a big one at the pediatric group I used to use. They gave me a lecture on the perils of letting my child sit in that position, and they suggested that I should spread the word among the parents I know.

I forgot about it as soon as the lecture was over, but about a year later my sister-in-law brought it up to me (she used the same pediatricians and she had just gotten the lecture, so it was fresh in her mind.) She followed their advice and never let her kids sit like that.

Thinking about it now, I can't remember if my daughter ever sat like that or not. I do remember being annoyed at the pediatrician because I had so many questions about other things and she was taking up the alloted visit time with her lecture.

Kris

Vidyut Kale

My younger cousin used to sit like that, and now her son too (same mother
and child I spoke about on the potty thread). When she was a toddler, no one
knew it was bad. She just used to sit like that, and we used to called it
M-mandi (mandi is the name for the cross-legged sitting in Marathi). It was
her style of sitting. She grew up just fine, is outrageously brilliant
academically (came second all over India in the accounting exams!), has a
fancy high powered job (could buy my entire year's earning worth on a whim,
makes decisions that shape the whole organization) and is also biologically
sound (has a kid and no known illness). Obviously no lasting damage
intellectually, functionally or physically.

Now her son sits like that and apparently it is a bad thing because it
indicates weak back muscles. So all the immediate family is obsessed with
encouraging him to sit correctly. With my penchant for foot in mouth, I
asked why was it important to make him sit differently if he sits like that
to be more stable because his back muscles make sitting tiring otherwise? I
got a whole bunch of dirty looks but no answer other than it is better for
him to build strength than have a weak back.

Am I stupid or what? The cousin's back obviously caused her no problems in
life. She sits cross-legged just fine now. Why in the world is it necessary
to make a tiny kid's life more difficult than it needs to be?

Protection :D

Protection against ever having anything less than perfect.

Vidyut


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Marina DeLuca-Howard

Peanuts...all nuts, and coconuts, pumpkin seeds and sunflower seeds.
Marina


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Pam Sorooshian

On 4/14/2010 6:00 AM, evawitsel wrote:
> cting children from sitting in the 'W position' while playing :-)
>
> I had never heard of such a thing before, but yesterday I was told of
> by some other mothers because I said that I would be 'over parenting'
> if I would forbid my son to sit on the ground in this way!
>
> http://www.pediatricservices.com/parents/pc-22.htm
> <http://www.pediatricservices.com/parents/pc-22.htm>

Holy cow.

"/How to prevent W-sitting./ The most effective (and easiest) way to
prevent a problem with W-sitting is to prevent it from becoming a habit
it the first place. Anticipate and catch it before the child even learns
to W-sit. Children should be placed and taught to assume alternative
sitting positions. If a child discovers W-sitting anyway, help him to
move to another sitting position, or say, "Fix your legs." It's very
important to be as consistent as possible."

And goes on to tell parents how to teach their kids to sit correctly by
holding their feet together when they are playing.

-pam



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Marina DeLuca-Howard

<<Peanuts...all nuts, and coconuts, pumpkin seeds and sunflower seeds.>>
Including soynuts(a bean) and pinenuts (a seed) have caused controversy
because of peanut allergies severe consequences :-(
In some cases nobody with an allergy even frequents the group/club/facility.
Marina
--

If you can see that your life is full and that life is good, then you are
more apt to find something positive and agreeable in another person. Jenny C

Rent our cottage: http://davehoward.ca/cottage/


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lalow66

I knew a woman that protected her daughter from Spongebob... I once witnessed her run madly across the grounds at the pool yelling, "Ella is NOT to play SpongeBOB!!!!!"
Sugar after 4 and caffeine.
Playing with sticks.
Any drinks prior to sleep.
Popcorn.

Marina DeLuca-Howard

I am going by the Catholic Church...which lists masturbation, on par with
other sexual acts(including rape, incest, child molesting). This definition
has enabled them to extend absolution to masturbating priests, priests
involved in consensual relationships with other adults, and paedophiles.
Although, this unsatisfactory means of lumping all sex outside heterosexual
church- sanctioned marriage has caused many scandals in the press recently.


There has been no move by the Catholic Church to allow either women or
married men or gay men into the Priesthood or change in the way this pope
views sexuality or sexual desire.

Marina


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Sandra Dodd

-=-Peanuts...all nuts, and coconuts, pumpkin seeds and sunflower seeds-
=-

We need a link to the dire warnings, please.

Sandra

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Sandra Dodd

-=-I am going by the Catholic Church...which lists masturbation, on
par with
other sexual acts(including rape, incest, child molesting)-=-

Well that would be one more thing they didn't get out of the Bible,
though.

Sandra

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Sandra Dodd

-=-I knew a woman that protected her daughter from Spongebob... I once
witnessed her run madly across the grounds at the pool yelling, "Ella
is NOT to play SpongeBOB!!!!!"-=-

OH MY.
Maybe that mom had had too much sugar or caffeine. (joking)

We had friends who couldn't be around Harry Potter--not the sound of
the name "Harry Potter." Holly really liked the daughter of that
family a lot, but was also involved in a Harry Potter collectible card
game weekly tournament. That was hard. She would ask what Holly had
been doing lately, and Holly wouldn't talk about it At All.

For that same girl once, I turned off the music in the car, because
she covered her younger brother's ears to keep him from hearing this
morality-threatening song her parents had forbidden her to hear. It
was "Under the Boardwalk."

-=-Any drinks prior to sleep.-=-

That's to protect sheets and mattresses, and living in a place with
very little humidity, sending kids to sleep thirsty is just not even
safe.

Sandra

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Sandra Dodd

To protect children from topics and other people's sin nature.

-=-One of the other reasons why we decided to homeschool, was to
protect our children from influences we deemed harmful. Our particular
concern was curriculum materials we disapproved of. In homeschooling,
we have indeed been able to protect our children in this way, but we
have been able to protect our children in other ways too. Over the
years, I�ve met any number of children, who from an increasingly early
age, display attitudes of rebellion, deceit and anti-social behaviour.
Many parents are unwilling or unable to deal with this. Frankly, I
don�t want my children exposed to these sorts of influences. My
children may end up having their own struggles in these areas, but if
so, let it be because of their own sin nature, and not because they
have been influenced by someone else�s sin nature.-=-

http://www.brethrenonline.org/homeschool/why_homeschool.html

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Schuyler

We drove a family to an a local museum once and had to move Simon's action figures that were near the son as he saw them as false idols. So protection from action figures. Maybe he could have played with some from here: http://www.bibletoys.com/?Click=3276




________________________________
From: Sandra Dodd <Sandra@...>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Wednesday, 14 April, 2010 18:16:32
Subject: Re: [AlwaysLearning] Re: Protecting Children

-=-I knew a woman that protected her daughter from Spongebob... I once 
witnessed her run madly across the grounds at the pool yelling, "Ella 
is NOT to play SpongeBOB!!!!!"-=-

OH MY.
Maybe that mom had had too much sugar or caffeine.  (joking)

We had friends who couldn't be around Harry Potter--not the sound of 
the name "Harry Potter."  Holly really liked the daughter of that 
family a lot, but was also involved in a Harry Potter collectible card 
game weekly tournament.  That was hard.  She would ask what Holly had 
been doing lately, and Holly wouldn't talk about it At All.

For that same girl once, I turned off the music in the car, because 
she covered her younger brother's ears to keep him from hearing this 
morality-threatening song her parents had forbidden her to hear.  It 
was "Under the Boardwalk."

-=-Any drinks prior to sleep.-=-

That's to protect sheets and mattresses, and living in a place with 
very little humidity, sending kids to sleep thirsty is just not even 
safe.

Sandra

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Sandra Dodd

Protecting children from homos. Please note that there are links
there to show that either Marxists or Hitler are behind "the
homosexual movement in the U.S." --Ah, so we can blame Europeans.
Good!!



We are taking necessary steps to protect them from the homosexual
agenda.

• We made sure they don’t see movies or TV shows that promote this
lifestyle.
• We homeschool because of the public school promotes a homosexual
agenda.
• We moved to a small rural town where this lifestyle is not accepted.
• We need to do more!

. . . .

Step 3: Stay Informed!
Did you know Sponge Bob, Barney promote ‘gay’ tolerance? 61,000
schools are scheduled to receive the “We Are Family” video with lesson
plans that support the homosexual agenda in March.

• Homosexuality 101: A Primer (.PDF) (Provides a brief history of the
homosexual movement in the U.S. and its roots in Marxist
ideology. This paper describes how homosexuals terrorized the
psychiatric community and have created a marketing strategy to vilify
their opponents.)

• Homosexuals Recruit Public School Children (PDF)
• Homosexual Behavior Fuels AIDS and STD Epidemic (PDF)
• A Gender Identity Disorder Goes Mainstream (PDF)
• Homosexual Propaganda Campaign Based on Hitler’s “Big Lie”
Technique (PDF)
• Homosexual Sex = Death from HIV Infection (PDF)
• Traditional Values Coalition Exposes Homosexual Agenda (PDF)
• …and much more at: http://www.traditionalvalues.org




http://heartofwisdom.com/blog/boycott-companies-that-sponsor-gays-on-tv/

Boycott companies that sponsor gays on TV, is the blog post title in
the URL. The blog had "Steps to Protecting Our Children from the
Homosexual Agenda on TV."

Mandy Ray-Jones

I find all of this to be completely insane! I thought I'd heard it all but
I just keep learning! Imagine that!

As for "W sitting", my 13 month old tends to sit like that. Looks to me
like he's sitting that way because it is easier to get up on his knees and
then his feet. It appears practical and time saving. He's the most busy
and active of my three children and he is always on the go. I find his
sitting like that (when the other two never did) to be fascinating and a
sign of great problem solving!


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Sandra Dodd

Protecting children from World of Warcraft

http://heartofwisdom.com/blog/a-christian-view-of-world-of-warcraft/

The oddest quote: "People are like tofu. We take on or absorb the
things we are surrounded by. Read this passage from Galatians and ask
yourself what fruit is produced by playing WoW? Gal 5:19-6" (if you
go to the link the bible verses are all quoted and highlighted, and
there are red-flag points of all the evils of WoW).

People are like tofu!? And then use "fruit" in the same sentence? I
think she was hungry when she wrote that.

Here are some quotes after she gets ALL fired up, near the end....

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The Real Spiritual Battle

We are in a battle daily–not a virtual battle–a real battle!

. . . .

How do we set the captives free?
Twenty years ago Christians would be livid about this game, but after
years of thisdesensitization WOW slips under our spiritual radar.
World of Warcraft is one of the many tools used to captivate and
desensitize many concerning the Occult and divination (They appear to
be sheep, but they are wolves in sheep’s clothing. Beware, as Christ
warned, for they are everywhere.)

But God can set the captives free

John and Amanda Slater

Protecting kids from not knowing about God.

I was at an introduction to homeschooling meeting a few years ago. The biggest concern by a couple of parents was if all the Christians took their kids out of school, who would be left to "witness to" (convert) the ones left behind. The children were ages 5 and under!

Amanda (obliviously living in the South)
Eli 9, Samuel 7




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