"they won't let me..."
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In a message dated 2/26/02 2:46:17 PM, PSoroosh@... writes:
<< Her responses were all about how "they let us do this" and
"they let us do that." It was disconcerting -- my conversations with
unschooled kids do NOT include that "they let us" kind of stuff at all. >>
That's interesting. I first saw it not in school vs. unschool, but in
pregnant women and nursing mothers. When I was involved with Cesarean
Prevention and then with LLL (I wasn't a leader, but "lived there" for
years), moms would say "My doctor says I can go swimming" or "I have to take
the baby in, but I don't want to" or "If I'm not in labor by the 15th,
they've decided to induce."
Every time, I would say "It's not their baby," or "What do YOU want to do?"
and very often I would get the blankest-cow-in-headlights look. Many women
are twice or three times or 180 degrees from believing that they have the
power to say no to a doctor, or even to a book making a recommendation about
letting a baby cry.
Once a mom is aware of her ownership of her own learning and decision making
about BEING a mother and caring for her children, it's a big headstart on
natural family, natural learning, natural thinking.
Sandra
<< Her responses were all about how "they let us do this" and
"they let us do that." It was disconcerting -- my conversations with
unschooled kids do NOT include that "they let us" kind of stuff at all. >>
That's interesting. I first saw it not in school vs. unschool, but in
pregnant women and nursing mothers. When I was involved with Cesarean
Prevention and then with LLL (I wasn't a leader, but "lived there" for
years), moms would say "My doctor says I can go swimming" or "I have to take
the baby in, but I don't want to" or "If I'm not in labor by the 15th,
they've decided to induce."
Every time, I would say "It's not their baby," or "What do YOU want to do?"
and very often I would get the blankest-cow-in-headlights look. Many women
are twice or three times or 180 degrees from believing that they have the
power to say no to a doctor, or even to a book making a recommendation about
letting a baby cry.
Once a mom is aware of her ownership of her own learning and decision making
about BEING a mother and caring for her children, it's a big headstart on
natural family, natural learning, natural thinking.
Sandra
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Once a mom is aware of her ownership of her own learning and decision making
about BEING a mother and caring for her children, it's a big headstart on
natural family, natural learning, natural thinking.
a
It took me almost three years after my first child was born to realize I
didn't have to or even need to ask the pedatrition permission to do or not do
things. Boy...I've come a long way from those days :)
Jennifer
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about BEING a mother and caring for her children, it's a big headstart on
natural family, natural learning, natural thinking.
a
It took me almost three years after my first child was born to realize I
didn't have to or even need to ask the pedatrition permission to do or not do
things. Boy...I've come a long way from those days :)
Jennifer
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Karin
<<<Every time, I would say "It's not their baby," or "What do YOU want to do?"
and very often I would get the blankest-cow-in-headlights look. Many women
are twice or three times or 180 degrees from believing that they have the
power to say no to a doctor, or even to a book making a recommendation about
letting a baby cry.
Once a mom is aware of her ownership of her own learning and decision making
about BEING a mother and caring for her children, it's a big headstart on
natural family, natural learning, natural thinking.
Sandra >>>
The first time I remember making my own decision about my baby was when it was time for shots. I never had thought twice about whether or not my baby would get vaccinated until they poked my own sweet innocent baby. He started crying and I just realized something about this was wrong. I had a very strong gut feeling that my baby was being harmed. From that point on I read and learned all I could about why people choose not to immunize and I felt so relieved that I wasn't the only one who felt this way. So I decided against it for my kids, and in a way, that decision was the first of many that have led me here. :-)
Karin
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and very often I would get the blankest-cow-in-headlights look. Many women
are twice or three times or 180 degrees from believing that they have the
power to say no to a doctor, or even to a book making a recommendation about
letting a baby cry.
Once a mom is aware of her ownership of her own learning and decision making
about BEING a mother and caring for her children, it's a big headstart on
natural family, natural learning, natural thinking.
Sandra >>>
The first time I remember making my own decision about my baby was when it was time for shots. I never had thought twice about whether or not my baby would get vaccinated until they poked my own sweet innocent baby. He started crying and I just realized something about this was wrong. I had a very strong gut feeling that my baby was being harmed. From that point on I read and learned all I could about why people choose not to immunize and I felt so relieved that I wasn't the only one who felt this way. So I decided against it for my kids, and in a way, that decision was the first of many that have led me here. :-)
Karin
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The Mowery Family
A similar thing happened with Dana and her shots. Fortunately, we had
chosen a ped that allowed me to make choices for my child <g>. Now whenever
anything is needed with Dana it isn't do this or that, it is just
different(although one of the other docs in the practice is a "my way or the
highway person" and we don't see him but once every year.
When I found my breast lump, I was glad that I knew enough about myself to
make decisions. I knew that thing in me could have been bad, and I wanted
it gone. Thankfully, my HMO physician felt the same way and we got my
studies done quickly and when the studies showed wait and see, he and I did
not feel comfortable with that. He helped me to find a female surgeon who
specialized in the breast and we got the lump out. No, wait and repeat as
the mammogram/radiology suggested - no "no lump found" as the ultrasound
reported. I saw my surgeon, she saw the lump on the ultrasound - she found
it on palpation right away - she asked ME what I wanted to do. I said I
wanted it gone, it didn't need to be there and I didn't want to make friends
with it and watch its growth pattern for the next x months. So, its gone,
I'm fine and went back to work when I felt ready. No more watch and see,
just do monthly self exams and mammo when 38.
I can't say any of this is related to unschooling as I have been very aware
of my body since I can remember. I guess I have been fortunate enough to
choose physicians that assist me/my family in my/our resources to be well.
sistakammi
would get vaccinated until they poked my own sweet innocent baby. He started
crying and I just realized something about this was wrong. I had a very
strong gut feeling that my baby was being harmed. From that point on I read
and learned all I could about why people choose not to immunize and I felt
so relieved that I wasn't the only one who felt this way. So I decided
against it for my kids, and in a way, that decision was the first of many
that have led me here. :-)
chosen a ped that allowed me to make choices for my child <g>. Now whenever
anything is needed with Dana it isn't do this or that, it is just
different(although one of the other docs in the practice is a "my way or the
highway person" and we don't see him but once every year.
When I found my breast lump, I was glad that I knew enough about myself to
make decisions. I knew that thing in me could have been bad, and I wanted
it gone. Thankfully, my HMO physician felt the same way and we got my
studies done quickly and when the studies showed wait and see, he and I did
not feel comfortable with that. He helped me to find a female surgeon who
specialized in the breast and we got the lump out. No, wait and repeat as
the mammogram/radiology suggested - no "no lump found" as the ultrasound
reported. I saw my surgeon, she saw the lump on the ultrasound - she found
it on palpation right away - she asked ME what I wanted to do. I said I
wanted it gone, it didn't need to be there and I didn't want to make friends
with it and watch its growth pattern for the next x months. So, its gone,
I'm fine and went back to work when I felt ready. No more watch and see,
just do monthly self exams and mammo when 38.
I can't say any of this is related to unschooling as I have been very aware
of my body since I can remember. I guess I have been fortunate enough to
choose physicians that assist me/my family in my/our resources to be well.
sistakammi
> The first time I remember making my own decision about my baby was when itwas time for shots. I never had thought twice about whether or not my baby
would get vaccinated until they poked my own sweet innocent baby. He started
crying and I just realized something about this was wrong. I had a very
strong gut feeling that my baby was being harmed. From that point on I read
and learned all I could about why people choose not to immunize and I felt
so relieved that I wasn't the only one who felt this way. So I decided
against it for my kids, and in a way, that decision was the first of many
that have led me here. :-)
>
> Karin
Sharon Rudd
we got the lump out.
So, its gone,
HURRAH :-) HURRAH :-)
Sharon of the Swamp
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So, its gone,
> I'm fine and went back to work when I felt ready.sistakammi
> No more watch and see,
> just do monthly self exams and mammo when 38.
HURRAH :-) HURRAH :-)
Sharon of the Swamp
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