Sandra Dodd

Jenny Cyphers wrote: -=-One can learn about the whole wide world by
learning about fashion and design, through history, commerce, cultural
differences, textiles, recycling, etc.-=-

Here's a brainstorming opportunity for the list!

history
commerce
cultural differences
textiles
recycling

Okay, everybody: what else can be added to that list? I'd like
to put it on a page linked to connections, and the Elvis article, and
Gilligan's Island (which right now aren't linked because one's about
TV and one's "everything is educational"--this will make a third point
of a glorious tripod of ideas!


Sandra





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Marina DeLuca-Howard

My son learned the epistolary arts(you write and receive letters) through
playing Animal Crossing on his dsi. He is learning math(paying off his
mortgage), interior design(you design your house), commerce(selling to Tom
Nook at Nookingtons), civil society(a mayor, a museum, a clothes shop, a
furniture shop, neighbours), gardening by planting flowers in his "town"(you
need to water them or they wilt), and hygiene (there is a hair salon). Even
"travel" involves going out a gate, with a guard who you need to get
permission to open the gate and checks your "papers".

At our house their are two copies, and my sil and niece have two, so we link
dsi's and learn about trade and geography. (Each game has indigenous
fruit) and you cross pollinate.

In addition my kids are map reading to travel about the town, and fishing.
My son has a fishing guide for fish native to our area, and the game has fed
another interest of his.

Marina

On 5 March 2010 10:29, Sandra Dodd <Sandra@...> wrote:

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>
> Jenny Cyphers wrote: -=-One can learn about the whole wide world by
> learning about fashion and design, through history, commerce, cultural
> differences, textiles, recycling, etc.-=-
>
> Here's a brainstorming opportunity for the list!
>
> history
> commerce
> cultural differences
> textiles
> recycling
>
> Okay, everybody: what else can be added to that list? I'd like
> to put it on a page linked to connections, and the Elvis article, and
> Gilligan's Island (which right now aren't linked because one's about
> TV and one's "everything is educational"--this will make a third point
> of a glorious tripod of ideas!
>
> Sandra
>
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>
>



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Jill Parmer

Biology - silk worms, mulberry leaves - food for silk worms, indigo,
Chemisty - how dyes affect fiber, use of urine in processing indigo
(that's history too), fiber structure (microscopic to fabric)
dictates use and drape.
Climate - what clothing to wear where.
Archaeology - found clothing scraps in deserts and bogs
Status - who could wear what fibers or afford.
Travel/trade routes - the silk road
Communications - secret quilt codes for the underground railroad,
flag signals,
Tools/manufacturing - types of sticks to form knitted/crocheted/
knotted fabric, looms, spinning wheels.
Entertainment
Animals - fur, hides



On Mar 5, 2010, at 8:29 AM, Sandra Dodd wrote:

> Jenny Cyphers wrote: -=-One can learn about the whole wide world by
> learning about fashion and design, through history, commerce, cultural
> differences, textiles, recycling, etc.-=-
>
> Here's a brainstorming opportunity for the list!
>
> history
> commerce
> cultural differences
> textiles
> recycling
>
> Okay, everybody: what else can be added to that list?



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Sandie D-S

Geography
Science
social studies

To: [email protected]
From: Sandra@...
Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2010 08:29:51 -0700
Subject: [AlwaysLearning] BRAINSTORM! Learning from an interest in fashion and design




























Jenny Cyphers wrote: -=-One can learn about the whole wide world by

learning about fashion and design, through history, commerce, cultural

differences, textiles, recycling, etc.-=-



Here's a brainstorming opportunity for the list!



history

commerce

cultural differences

textiles

recycling



Okay, everybody: what else can be added to that list? I'd like

to put it on a page linked to connections, and the Elvis article, and

Gilligan's Island (which right now aren't linked because one's about

TV and one's "everything is educational"--this will make a third point

of a glorious tripod of ideas!



Sandra



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d.lewis

***Okay, everybody: what else can be added to that list?***

Any of this could come under history or culture or commerce but it's too
juicy not to list!

Agriculture
Chemistry
Gender roles
Gender stereotypes
Suffrage and Politics
Sex!
Art
Photography
Publishing
Painting
Sailing
Flight
Hunting / Tanning
Food (Hey, we still buy our potatoes in burlap bags. My mom bought flour in
flour sacks.)
Gardening
Military and War
Pets (my neighbor's Scottie was a lobster for Halloween<g>)
Theater / Opera
Floral design
Torture
Murder
Execution
Suicide

There's more but I have to pee.

Deb Lewis

Jill Parmer

On Mar 5, 2010, at 9:44 AM, d.lewis wrote:

> Food (Hey, we still buy our potatoes in burlap bags. My mom bought
> flour in
> flour sacks.)

Woot, Deb came up with a relation to food. I was stumped there for a
bit, which is sad because I love food and fibers.

A couple food things I was thinking about..
Absorbancy - I like cotton napkins better than synthetic napkins.
farmer decisions - should I slaughter the sheep for food, or shear
the sheep for wool.

Jill

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d.lewis

***One can learn about the whole wide world by
learning about fashion and design...***

Still under history or biology or culture, etc., still fun to think
about...<g>

Archaeology
Anthropology
Mummification
Dance
Weaving / Looms (whole bunch about history, gender roles, industry...)
Leather work / Saddlery
Beading
Upholstery
Religion
Tipis / yurts / tents / shelters / housing
Nalukatuk!
Slavery
Hearth design and Burns (wool skirts wouldn't go up in flames as fast as
cotton)

Deb Lewis

d.lewis

***I was stumped there for a
bit, which is sad because I love food and fibers.***

A pretty table cloth makes dinner nicer. <g> Pretty napkins on a table
make even salad and sandwiches seem elegant. People have used muslin for
straining stocks and such for a long time. There's a reason "cheesecloth"
is called cheesecloth!

Deb Lewis

Vidyut Kale

- utility
- physical comfort
- presentation/statement
- beauty
- creativity
- colours
- accessories
- occasions, situations, roles

Vidyut

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sheeboo2

Ohhh, this is awesome!

I'll add Textiles to the historic thread, specifically the role of textiles as a way for Medieval women like Hildegarde D' Bingen, to tell their stories.

The first female "texts" were sewn, not written.

sheeboo2

A friend mentioned that her daughter's "curriculum" this year has come entirely from Threadbanger How-To videos--Heidi might find them interesting. There is an awesome tutorial for making a wet felted beret.

http://www.threadbanger.com/episodes

Sandie D-S

This conversation about fashion follows closely with some of the fun we have been having in our household. A few weeks ago, my 7 year old and I were at Wal-Mart and just looking around in the toy section. She wanted to get ideas for her birthday present list to send to relatives. She saw the Project Runway Fashion Design set and then she saw a Harumika fashion set which comes with a dress form and different fabrics. No sewing required. We went home and looked it up on Amazon and found 100's of different fun things on this subject, just type in fashion under kids, so many different things!!!. There are over 12 different computer programs, 1000's of books...endless possibilities. So she got the basic Harumika set and her older sisters(who are in different areas of the country) sent her fabric swatches and some of their clothes which she cut up and has been playing with for hours and hours. She pulled out some of her Dover coloring books on Japan and started making kimono's. She has been looking at different era's, countries and talking abut the differences(like swimsuit styles) and how they have changed. I watch, listen, interact and help by being interested and finding other resources for her to look at. She may or may not continue to be interested, but she knows if she is interested in something, there are vast amounts of resources out there to help her learn about it. I am a single unschooling mom of 6 kids (31-8) who is on the lower economic scale, and have several years of college without a degree and still learning everyday. I have been unschooling my children since the early 80's, when I met a couple with teenagers in bookstore in California and they told me about John Holt and I immediately bought his book. I have either ran my own business(es) or as I do now,work as a Nanny/household manager (for 4 teenage boys who go to public school). I discovered this list a few years ago and felt like I finally had peers who understood me!

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Biology - silk worms, mulberry leaves - food for silk worms, indigo,

Chemisty - how dyes affect fiber, use of urine in processing indigo

(that's history too), fiber structure (microscopic to fabric)

dictates use and drape.

Climate - what clothing to wear where.

Archaeology - found clothing scraps in deserts and bogs

Status - who could wear what fibers or afford.

Travel/trade routes - the silk road

Communications - secret quilt codes for the underground railroad,

flag signals,

Tools/manufacturing - types of sticks to form knitted/crocheted/

knotted fabric, looms, spinning wheels.

Entertainment

Animals - fur, hides



On Mar 5, 2010, at 8:29 AM, Sandra Dodd wrote:



> Jenny Cyphers wrote: -=-One can learn about the whole wide world by

> learning about fashion and design, through history, commerce, cultural

> differences, textiles, recycling, etc.-=-

>

> Here's a brainstorming opportunity for the list!

>

> history

> commerce

> cultural differences

> textiles

> recycling

>

> Okay, everybody: what else can be added to that list?



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sheeboo2

-----" Chemisty - how dyes affect fiber, use of urine in processing indigo "-----

I have spent hours reading Sruli Recht's website--check out "The Binding of Isaac" shawl and his accompanying journal about the dying (with ram's blood) process:

http://www.srulirecht.com/index.php/projects/Akedat-Yitzchak.html

Jill Parmer

On Mar 5, 2010, at 10:46 AM, d.lewis wrote:

> ***I was stumped there for a
> bit, which is sad because I love food and fibers.***
>
> A pretty table cloth makes dinner nicer. <g> Pretty napkins on a table
> make even salad and sandwiches seem elegant. People have used
> muslin for
> straining stocks and such for a long time. There's a reason
> "cheesecloth"
> is called cheesecloth!

Hmmm, yes. I was heading down a thought process of people wearing
food...ah I got it....I'm wearing jammie bottoms right now, made of soy.

Jill

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Frantz Family

I am just a lurker trying to learn, but the chemistry behind synthetic
fabrics and dyes can be really interesting. Like how they build those
incredibly long polymers. Although I think chemistry is interesting to
begin with. :-)

Margo

Robin Bentley

Sociology - what types of people are part of an industry; who are
these people in context of their culture and country; how and why does
clothing get made and by whom; who are the designers, crafters,
factory workers in certain cultures; gender roles.
Psychology - the psychological makeup of creative people; what makes a
good team; why some people work best alone and other with a group; are
designers different from the general population and if so, how; the
sheer joy of realizing one's vision and how that affects one's life

Oh, boy. There's so much...

Robin B.

Robyn L. Coburn

Without looking at other replies, so sorry Sandra if there are overlaps:

Women's studies - women's work through out history
Courtship rituals
Clothing as class marker and secret messages
Rise of trade unionism - "Norma Rae" -- depictions in popular culture and
the media
Agriculture
Mining and metallurgy
Tanning and furs - the fur trade (eek)
You said commerce -- trade -- the Silk Road -- politics
Engineering and manufacturing
The history of New York city itself
Milinery
Whales and whaling
Feathers and birds - hunting
Ecology and endangered species - which leads to international politics too.
Dyes - chemistry of dyes, mordants.
Carpentry
Patent law
Weaving
The Bible
Storytelling and comics (Bayeux tapestry the first comic)
Fine art - paintings, style, movements, materials
Photography
Color theory, lighting
Gotta say it - Geometry
Contemporary independent crafts and the DIY craft movement


Check out my next article in Natural Life magazine (May/June) called
"Refashioning Part One" in part about the used clothing industry.
"Refashioning Part Two" will follow about upcycling old clothes.

There is a ton of stuff on tv right now - specials about manufacturing in
China, a series called "Blood, Sweat and T-shirts" about the rag trade. In
terms of workers' rights the clothing industry in India today seems pretty
much where the clothing industry was in New York and the East Coast in the
1890's through pre WWII.

A cool book, like "The Devil Wears Prada" for another era - Anne Scott
James, "In the Mink". I hope to adapt it for the screen one day. So add
Publishing to the list.

I am presently writing a novel and screenplay concurrently that is a
retelling of Sleeping Beauty in a sense from the point of view of the
spinning wheel. Eventually I hope that will be added to the pop culture
lexicon about textile arts in due course.

Some great magazines for design other than the fashion glossies:
Women's Wear Daily is the industry journal.
Belle Armoire (www.stampington.com) is beautiful
Fiber Arts - Taunton Press is about artists working in all kinds of textile
media including clothing.



Robyn L. Coburn
www.Iggyjingles.etsy.com
www.iggyjingles.blogspot.com
www.allthingsdoll.blogspot.com

Sandra Dodd

-=-Torture
Murder
Execution
Suicide-=-

Deb, do you mean what people would wear for those things? There are
definitely some traditions involving attire for executions.
Murderers should probably remember to wear rubber gloves. But torture
and suicide... but torture, in True Lies (and too often on Fox's
24)... usually just whatever the guy happened to be wearing.

Ah... in Hamlet there's a description of fashion when Ophelia drowns.

Oh. Well maybe it's more floral design that garment:

QUEEN GERTRUDE
There is a willow grows aslant a brook,
That shows his hoar leaves in the glassy stream;
There with fantastic garlands did she come
Of crow-flowers, nettles, daisies, and long purples
That liberal shepherds give a grosser name,
But our cold maids do dead men's fingers call them:
There, on the pendent boughs her coronet weeds
Clambering to hang, an envious sliver broke;
When down her weedy trophies and herself
Fell in the weeping brook. Her clothes spread wide;
And, mermaid-like, awhile they bore her up:
Which time she chanted snatches of old tunes;
As one incapable of her own distress,
Or like a creature native and indued
Unto that element: but long it could not be
Till that her garments, heavy with their drink,
Pull'd the poor wretch from her melodious lay
To muddy death.

LAERTES
Alas, then, she is drown'd?

QUEEN GERTRUDE
Drown'd, drown'd.

Sandra

Jenny Cyphers

I asked my fashion guru here at our house, Chamille.

She said, you learn a lot about people. I'm not sure how to put that in a nice one word explanation. She was meaning that if you like a certain kind of fashion then you'll learn a lot about the kind of people that also like that kind of fashion and where they get their ideas and why they like it.

She also said "math", which surprised me. She said that you learn about how to piece shapes together and count out stitches and turn 2-D things like fabric into 3-D things that fit onto people.

She also said you learn about the tools and technical skills involved.

I'll come up with more...

I know that Chamille has learned about
costuming
shock value
store merchandising
fashion curve, or rise and fall of various fashions
vintage clothing
corsets and whale bones, which also falls under tools of the trade and history
shapes of people
repairing clothing
pattern making
color theory





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Jenny Cyphers

oh you reminded me of

gender and colors...

since in India the colors for genders are different than the US. I used to work at a rec center that had a lot of Indian clients. They did birthday parties there and the Indian moms preferred the Christmas wrapping papers with red and green and gold to standard b-day wrapping paper with pink or blue and cupcakes or something.





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Jenny Cyphers

Why ninjas and theives wear black...

Ninja clothing was VERY important to Chamille in her search of fashion wonders!

She learned ninjitsu because they wore black, she wanted nothing to do with any of those martial arts that wore white.





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Jenny Cyphers

I still get emails from that dojo even though Chamille no longer attends....

Today's email was "Kuden training wearing all black"





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Sandra Dodd

-=-Geography
Science
social studies-=-

Too general.
Be more specific.

Sandra

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Sandra Dodd

-=-Hmmm, yes. I was heading down a thought process of people wearing
food...ah I got it....I'm wearing jammie bottoms right now, made of soy.
-=-

During the Depression, there were traditional patterns for bonnets,
aprons and clothes made of flour sacks, which were printed in pretty
colors then so that those garments would be more interesting!

Sandra

Robyn L. Coburn

<<< > Deb, do you mean what people would wear for those things? There are
> definitely some traditions involving attire for executions.
> Murderers should probably remember to wear rubber gloves. But torture
> and suicide... but torture, in True Lies (and too often on Fox's
> 24)... usually just whatever the guy happened to be wearing.>>>

If we are travelling on a learning journey from fashion design to textiles,
then we would at least pass by rope making, hence nooses...gallows, suicide
by hanging, lynching - are here we are at either the Wild West or the South
during the civil rights era.

See Kathy, everything counts. Connections are everywhere. It's a crazy
crackled web, not a defined path.

Schools intend to predict the narrow learning paths. That is what curriculum
really is - directed prediction.

Get off the train - read my fairy tale at Sandra's site.
http://sandradodd.com/park

Robyn L. Coburn
www.Iggyjingles.etsy.com
www.iggyjingles.blogspot.com
www.allthingsdoll.blogspot.com

Jenny Cyphers

***If we are travelling on a learning journey from fashion design to textiles,
then we would at least pass by rope making, hence nooses...***

Knowing about textiles and knowing about ropes is interesting too

ropes and sails used to be made from hemp
that ties into history and politics and cotton plantations and sailing and availability of resources, and commerce





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Sandra Dodd

-=-If we are travelling on a learning journey from fashion design to
textiles,
then we would at least pass by rope making, hence nooses...gallows,
suicide
by hanging, lynching - are here we are at either the Wild West or the
South
during the civil rights era.-=-

In the ballad "The Four Marys," there's this:

"...and tie a napkin 'round my face
The gallows I would not see."

But "napkin" wasn't so much a little paper mouth-dabbing thing. Those
are "serviettes" in England. It was a larger cloth, like a kerchief,
or diaper-sized cloth. Nappie. Not disposable. Medieval cloth with
a diapered design (a diamond-pattern in the weave, more absorbent....
and the origin of "diaper" term used in the U.S.)

I could go on...
<g>

http://www.textorics.com/9Ux004-011.html

Sandra

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Deb Lewis

*Torture
*Murder
*Execution
*Suicide

***do you mean what people would wear for those things?***

I was thinking of blindfolds, gags, ropes, hoods, pillows.<g>

Until recently Montana used hanging as the method of execution in death penalty cases. I think Washington still uses hanging.

I was also thinking of corpse disposal (wrapped in a sheet, rolled up in a carpet, stuffed in a duffle bag, sent down a laundry chute, etc)

Dressing for the occasion is very interesting, too. We should add funeral customs and attire.


Deb Lewis







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Carole

My 6 year old daughter and I have been having fun with this recently too. She was doing a sticker book on clothing through the ages, which brought up conversations around
- culture of different countries
- clothing for different purposes (eg going to the opera vs daytime)
- clothing for different status (queen vs lady in waiting)
- different roles - eg what is a lady in waiting
- clothing for different climates
- history/evolution (from a very logical question given the layout of the book - 'did we use to be chinese?')
- ethics and changes in attitudes over time (eg wearing fur, rising hems)
and then moved into listening to 50's music & watching/doing some rock'n'roll & swing dancing

Tess has also been designing clothes using a paper based design set (Klutz paper fashions) and we got the Harumika mannequin set yesterday, which she played with for about 10 hours solid and then got up today and did some more. We have also recently bought some fabric & a pattern and will be making her a dress together. Not quite sure how to categorise what she's learning from these activities, beyond the obvious things of design, colour and so on, but there's definitely a whole lot more going on, things like coming up with designs & concepts in her head before she does the physical design, plus scale & shape.

Carole
+ Tess (6) & Brodie (4) in Hampshire, UK

Robyn L. Coburn

> I could go on...
> <g> >>>

Exactly!

That's the whole point.

I love unschooling. This kind of stuff happens all the time.

Robyn L. Coburn
www.Iggyjingles.etsy.com
www.iggyjingles.blogspot.com
www.allthingsdoll.blogspot.com