Re: Clockwork Orange (was: my husband - teenagers, television, porn
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<"I reckon I'll tell her I've not seen it before (actually, I think it's
true that I've not seen it right through, so am <probably fearing the unknown
scenes that I may have missed)"
<This sounds like you're cooking up a scheme to fool her into watching it
with you, by telling a half truth, that <you haven't seen it, when you have
seen it, but maybe not every part of it.
<I don't think this is a good way to build trust with her. Especially
after telling the story of being deceptive <with her own parents and ends with:
"I hope that as a family our relationship will be trustful enough that
schemes like that will be redundant."
carefully. Mind you, I wasn't meaning to deceive her by using a strategy
(she'd always see through something like that anyway) - there genuinely are
quite large chunks of the film that I've not seen and the bits that were
making me nervous are the ones I've not actually viewed myself. Would it be a
half truth to say I'd not watched it? Possibly, though I don't think it's
a half truth to say I've not seen Wagner's "Ring", even though I have seen
and heard quite a lot of excerpts. That was what I was getting at,
although I must say I worded it in such a way that it looked like a sneaky little
strategy.
Jude x
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true that I've not seen it right through, so am <probably fearing the unknown
scenes that I may have missed)"
<This sounds like you're cooking up a scheme to fool her into watching it
with you, by telling a half truth, that <you haven't seen it, when you have
seen it, but maybe not every part of it.
<I don't think this is a good way to build trust with her. Especially
after telling the story of being deceptive <with her own parents and ends with:
"I hope that as a family our relationship will be trustful enough that
schemes like that will be redundant."
>Thanks Jennie, Point taken that I should consider things like this more
carefully. Mind you, I wasn't meaning to deceive her by using a strategy
(she'd always see through something like that anyway) - there genuinely are
quite large chunks of the film that I've not seen and the bits that were
making me nervous are the ones I've not actually viewed myself. Would it be a
half truth to say I'd not watched it? Possibly, though I don't think it's
a half truth to say I've not seen Wagner's "Ring", even though I have seen
and heard quite a lot of excerpts. That was what I was getting at,
although I must say I worded it in such a way that it looked like a sneaky little
strategy.
Jude x
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Sandra Dodd
The plain truth would be better than any decision about how to bend
the truth:
-=-were
making me nervous are the ones I've not actually viewed myself. Would
it be a
half truth to say I'd not watched it? Possibly, though I don't think
it's
a half truth to say I've not seen Wagner's "Ring", even though I have
seen
and heard quite a lot of excerpts. That was what I was getting at,
although I must say I worded it in such a way that it looked like a
sneaky little
strategy.-=-
You watched some of it, but not all. That's the truth.
Sandra
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the truth:
-=-were
making me nervous are the ones I've not actually viewed myself. Would
it be a
half truth to say I'd not watched it? Possibly, though I don't think
it's
a half truth to say I've not seen Wagner's "Ring", even though I have
seen
and heard quite a lot of excerpts. That was what I was getting at,
although I must say I worded it in such a way that it looked like a
sneaky little
strategy.-=-
You watched some of it, but not all. That's the truth.
Sandra
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Jude
Been offline a few days and just saw this. Of course I recognized straightaway that you're spot on.
Possibly/probably I was deceiving myself. Possibly I still have the need to follow a programme through to the end (therefore half-read or half-viewed doesn't equal read or viewed at all). Either way, it's not exactly good thinking in terms of deschooling, let alone unschooling, and either is a bad attitude to pass on to one's family.
That's what I appreciate about this list - you never take the easy, supportive "It'll all work out fine" route when we need to be told straight to re-think!
Jude x
Possibly/probably I was deceiving myself. Possibly I still have the need to follow a programme through to the end (therefore half-read or half-viewed doesn't equal read or viewed at all). Either way, it's not exactly good thinking in terms of deschooling, let alone unschooling, and either is a bad attitude to pass on to one's family.
That's what I appreciate about this list - you never take the easy, supportive "It'll all work out fine" route when we need to be told straight to re-think!
Jude x
--- In [email protected], Sandra Dodd <Sandra@...> wrote:
>
> The plain truth would be better than any decision about how to bend
> the truth:
>
> -=-were
> making me nervous are the ones I've not actually viewed myself. Would
> it be a
> half truth to say I'd not watched it? Possibly, though I don't think
> it's
> a half truth to say I've not seen Wagner's "Ring", even though I have
> seen
> and heard quite a lot of excerpts. That was what I was getting at,
> although I must say I worded it in such a way that it looked like a
> sneaky little
> strategy.-=-
>
> You watched some of it, but not all. That's the truth.
>
> Sandra
>
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>