ancient discussion of screening unschoolers
[email protected]
Okay, not TOO ancient--Was it only 1997 that AOL's homeschooling area was
still lively and good? I'm so glad I found this, though! (Of course it's
not what I was looking for either, when I found it...)
The first quote was from me (I didn't save my post) and the rest is NOT me.
I thought it would be amusing and maybe useful here.
Subj: Re:pre-test for unschooling
Date: 97-05-21 11:40:28 EDT
From: MSeger
Posted on: America Online
<<I'm working on (goofing around with) the possibility of a "test" to give
people (a checklist, or list of questions, or something) so that they can
start to figure out what they have that they can use to unschool, or whether
the whole thing is too foreign and odious to them (and if the latter, why).
You guys want to contribute to it?>>
Can't resist. For the math portion of the quiz: <g>
1. Estimate the number of cleaning products in your home (x). Compare to
the number of books (y).
2. Estimate the number of times per week you say: "Don't touch." (a).
3. Do a probability analysis of the likelihood that you will be playing
outside on any given day. Label the result (z).
4. Chart the number of pairs of comfortable shoes you own (b). Compare to
the number of umbrellas (c).
5. If you were a geometric figure, which would you be? Write a brief essay
explaining why.
Scoring:
1. If x>y, deduct one point. If x<y, add one point.
2. If a>5, deduct one point. If a<5, add one point. If a<0, add two points.
3. If z>2:4, add one point. If z<2:4, deduct one point.
4. If b>c, add one point. If b<c, deduct one point.
5. Add one point for each dimension included in your figure beyond 2. Add
two points for each dimension beyond 4. Essays will be graded at a later
date and returned to you.
Thank you for your attention and good luck with your homeschooling decision.
Maura
_________________
Subj: Re:pre-test for unschooling
Date: 97-05-21 12:02:05 EDT
From: LisaCaryl
Posted on: America Online
<<I'm working on (goofing around with) the possibility of a "test" to give
people (a checklist, or list of questions, or something) so that they can
start to figure out what they have that they can use to unschool, or whether
the whole thing is too foreign and odious to them (and if the latter, why).>>
Sandra, I think that a test is sure to make a lot of people mad. Maybe a
list of personal attributes would be more helpful. Something like...
Unschooling parents tend to have:
1.) A stronge sense of curiousity
2.) A love of life
3.) A love of learning that supercedes their love of order
4.) A high tolerance for noise
5.) Access to lots of children's books and resources...etc.
I don't know what the 'right' answer for leaving the house is. If we're
going to the park, I need to pack diapers, wipes, extra clothes for my
potty-training daycare kiddo, sunscreen, sunhat, water, cups, snacks,
blanket, toys for the baby...so it takes me quite a while. Also, whenever we
leave the house I wear makeup (3 minutes, tops) and my kids have their long
hair brushed and pulled back, and their faces and hands clean. But at the
park I don't tell my kids what to play or bore them with lectures on botany,
so I guess we're still unschooling.
I don't think you have to be contantly on the go in order to unschool, and
I think you can unschool and still be clean and neat. (But nobody would get
that idea from looking at my house. <g>) I have a fairly low tolerance for
noise so either I stay away from the area where my kids are being noisy or
they go to another area. (That's why God created basements and back yards.)
Oh yeah, a few things I would add are
6.) Ability to withstand criticism from friends and relatives.
7.) Ability to trust children's innate capacity for natural learning.
8.) A loving, non-adversarial relationship with their children.
Lisa C.
_____________________
Subj: Re:pre-test for unschooling
Date: 97-05-21 12:44:31 EDT
From: SandyZ9072
Posted on: America Online
<<What other kinds of factors should I be considering? >>
Don't forget my personal favorite. A sense of humor.
Sandy
__________________________
Subj: Re:pre-test for unschooling
Date: 97-05-21 13:23:19 EDT
From: Coolside
Posted on: America Online
2. If a>5, deduct one point. If a<5, add one point. If a<0, add two points.
3. If z>2:4, add one point. If z<2:4, deduct one point.
4. If b>c, add one point. If b<c, deduct one point.
5. Add one point for each dimension included in your figure beyond 2. Add
two points for each dimension beyond 4. Essays will be graded at a later
date and returned to you.
<<
6. If you actually filled this out, please reconsider any thoughts of
unschooling!
_________________
Subj: Re:pre-test for unschooling
Date: 97-05-21 13:38:58 EDT
From: LJDBush
Posted on: America Online
I'm not sure how to put this as a "test" question, but I think one factor
might have to do with how naturally interactive a person is. That is, Sandra
frequently describes the way she uses whatever's on the radio or TV or a
billboard or whatever in talking to her kids, throwing out interesting
historical tidbits all the time, for example. I'm guessing that Sandra sees
and thinks and talks, involving her kids in her own thought processes,
without conciously trying to. I think that must make it easier to unschool
for her than it is for me, a natural introvert, because my thinking and
talking are all more deliberate. I don't speak off the top of my head,
typically; I see and think and think some more, and it may not occur to me to
tell the kids what I'm seeing and how I'm thinking about it. Doesn't mean I
can't unschool (I am!), but it may mean I need to be more deliberate about
it. Does this make any sense?
Laura
_______________________
still lively and good? I'm so glad I found this, though! (Of course it's
not what I was looking for either, when I found it...)
The first quote was from me (I didn't save my post) and the rest is NOT me.
I thought it would be amusing and maybe useful here.
Subj: Re:pre-test for unschooling
Date: 97-05-21 11:40:28 EDT
From: MSeger
Posted on: America Online
<<I'm working on (goofing around with) the possibility of a "test" to give
people (a checklist, or list of questions, or something) so that they can
start to figure out what they have that they can use to unschool, or whether
the whole thing is too foreign and odious to them (and if the latter, why).
You guys want to contribute to it?>>
Can't resist. For the math portion of the quiz: <g>
1. Estimate the number of cleaning products in your home (x). Compare to
the number of books (y).
2. Estimate the number of times per week you say: "Don't touch." (a).
3. Do a probability analysis of the likelihood that you will be playing
outside on any given day. Label the result (z).
4. Chart the number of pairs of comfortable shoes you own (b). Compare to
the number of umbrellas (c).
5. If you were a geometric figure, which would you be? Write a brief essay
explaining why.
Scoring:
1. If x>y, deduct one point. If x<y, add one point.
2. If a>5, deduct one point. If a<5, add one point. If a<0, add two points.
3. If z>2:4, add one point. If z<2:4, deduct one point.
4. If b>c, add one point. If b<c, deduct one point.
5. Add one point for each dimension included in your figure beyond 2. Add
two points for each dimension beyond 4. Essays will be graded at a later
date and returned to you.
Thank you for your attention and good luck with your homeschooling decision.
Maura
_________________
Subj: Re:pre-test for unschooling
Date: 97-05-21 12:02:05 EDT
From: LisaCaryl
Posted on: America Online
<<I'm working on (goofing around with) the possibility of a "test" to give
people (a checklist, or list of questions, or something) so that they can
start to figure out what they have that they can use to unschool, or whether
the whole thing is too foreign and odious to them (and if the latter, why).>>
Sandra, I think that a test is sure to make a lot of people mad. Maybe a
list of personal attributes would be more helpful. Something like...
Unschooling parents tend to have:
1.) A stronge sense of curiousity
2.) A love of life
3.) A love of learning that supercedes their love of order
4.) A high tolerance for noise
5.) Access to lots of children's books and resources...etc.
I don't know what the 'right' answer for leaving the house is. If we're
going to the park, I need to pack diapers, wipes, extra clothes for my
potty-training daycare kiddo, sunscreen, sunhat, water, cups, snacks,
blanket, toys for the baby...so it takes me quite a while. Also, whenever we
leave the house I wear makeup (3 minutes, tops) and my kids have their long
hair brushed and pulled back, and their faces and hands clean. But at the
park I don't tell my kids what to play or bore them with lectures on botany,
so I guess we're still unschooling.
I don't think you have to be contantly on the go in order to unschool, and
I think you can unschool and still be clean and neat. (But nobody would get
that idea from looking at my house. <g>) I have a fairly low tolerance for
noise so either I stay away from the area where my kids are being noisy or
they go to another area. (That's why God created basements and back yards.)
Oh yeah, a few things I would add are
6.) Ability to withstand criticism from friends and relatives.
7.) Ability to trust children's innate capacity for natural learning.
8.) A loving, non-adversarial relationship with their children.
Lisa C.
_____________________
Subj: Re:pre-test for unschooling
Date: 97-05-21 12:44:31 EDT
From: SandyZ9072
Posted on: America Online
<<What other kinds of factors should I be considering? >>
Don't forget my personal favorite. A sense of humor.
Sandy
__________________________
Subj: Re:pre-test for unschooling
Date: 97-05-21 13:23:19 EDT
From: Coolside
Posted on: America Online
>>Scoring:1. If x>y, deduct one point. If x<y, add one point.
2. If a>5, deduct one point. If a<5, add one point. If a<0, add two points.
3. If z>2:4, add one point. If z<2:4, deduct one point.
4. If b>c, add one point. If b<c, deduct one point.
5. Add one point for each dimension included in your figure beyond 2. Add
two points for each dimension beyond 4. Essays will be graded at a later
date and returned to you.
<<
6. If you actually filled this out, please reconsider any thoughts of
unschooling!
_________________
Subj: Re:pre-test for unschooling
Date: 97-05-21 13:38:58 EDT
From: LJDBush
Posted on: America Online
I'm not sure how to put this as a "test" question, but I think one factor
might have to do with how naturally interactive a person is. That is, Sandra
frequently describes the way she uses whatever's on the radio or TV or a
billboard or whatever in talking to her kids, throwing out interesting
historical tidbits all the time, for example. I'm guessing that Sandra sees
and thinks and talks, involving her kids in her own thought processes,
without conciously trying to. I think that must make it easier to unschool
for her than it is for me, a natural introvert, because my thinking and
talking are all more deliberate. I don't speak off the top of my head,
typically; I see and think and think some more, and it may not occur to me to
tell the kids what I'm seeing and how I'm thinking about it. Doesn't mean I
can't unschool (I am!), but it may mean I need to be more deliberate about
it. Does this make any sense?
Laura
_______________________
Fetteroll
I finally uploaded the picture my daughter Kathryn took of Sandra (left) and
me when I visited Sandra's house in January. The truly amazing thing is it
actually looks like both of us :-) The bit of brown behind me and the window
are Gudrun's couch and window Sandra mentioned a bit ago.
I don't know if this link will take you there or if you'll need to go the
long way around through the AlwaysLearning home page:
http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/alwayslearning/vwp?.dir=/&.src=gr&.dnm=
Sandra+and+Joyce.jpg&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/al
wayslearning/lst%3f%26.dir=/%26.src=gr%26.view=t
Joyce
me when I visited Sandra's house in January. The truly amazing thing is it
actually looks like both of us :-) The bit of brown behind me and the window
are Gudrun's couch and window Sandra mentioned a bit ago.
I don't know if this link will take you there or if you'll need to go the
long way around through the AlwaysLearning home page:
http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/alwayslearning/vwp?.dir=/&.src=gr&.dnm=
Sandra+and+Joyce.jpg&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/al
wayslearning/lst%3f%26.dir=/%26.src=gr%26.view=t
Joyce
[email protected]
In a message dated 2/16/02 4:04:24 PM, fetteroll@... writes:
<< I finally uploaded the picture my daughter Kathryn took of Sandra (left)
and
me when I visited Sandra's house in January. The truly amazing thing is it
actually looks like both of us :-) The bit of brown behind me and the window
are Gudrun's couch and window Sandra mentioned a bit ago. >>
Kathrn did a good job taking the picture, and thanks for putting it up, Joyce!
We're both wearing Albuquerque sweatshirts. That's so sweet. <g>
The lamp behind me there is hanging over the entryway. The door's straight
behind me, down half a flight of stairs. The front door opens onto stairs.
You see the kitchen floor as you come into the house. Not perfect, but home!
And there's the new Risk game Keith got for Christmas, which has the new
version of Earth, and the moon on a separate little game board. And the
Apples to Apples game we're so fond of this season.
I like getting to meet people I've met online even when they live really far
away, but I don't like that then they go far away again and I might never see
them again.
But... I get to see Joyce in South Carolina before the years' over.
(I noticed, when I was in there, that this group has nearly 200 members.)
Sandra
<< I finally uploaded the picture my daughter Kathryn took of Sandra (left)
and
me when I visited Sandra's house in January. The truly amazing thing is it
actually looks like both of us :-) The bit of brown behind me and the window
are Gudrun's couch and window Sandra mentioned a bit ago. >>
Kathrn did a good job taking the picture, and thanks for putting it up, Joyce!
We're both wearing Albuquerque sweatshirts. That's so sweet. <g>
The lamp behind me there is hanging over the entryway. The door's straight
behind me, down half a flight of stairs. The front door opens onto stairs.
You see the kitchen floor as you come into the house. Not perfect, but home!
And there's the new Risk game Keith got for Christmas, which has the new
version of Earth, and the moon on a separate little game board. And the
Apples to Apples game we're so fond of this season.
I like getting to meet people I've met online even when they live really far
away, but I don't like that then they go far away again and I might never see
them again.
But... I get to see Joyce in South Carolina before the years' over.
(I noticed, when I was in there, that this group has nearly 200 members.)
Sandra
Karin
That is a great picture! You both look so happy. :-)
The link did not work for me. I had to go the long way, but that's okay.
Karin
The link did not work for me. I had to go the long way, but that's okay.
Karin
----- Original Message -----
From: Fetteroll
To: [email protected]
Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2002 4:08 PM
Subject: [AlwaysLearning] Picture of Sandra and Joyce
I finally uploaded the picture my daughter Kathryn took of Sandra (left) and
me when I visited Sandra's house in January. The truly amazing thing is it
actually looks like both of us :-) The bit of brown behind me and the window
are Gudrun's couch and window Sandra mentioned a bit ago.
I don't know if this link will take you there or if you'll need to go the
long way around through the AlwaysLearning home page:
http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/alwayslearning/vwp?.dir=/&.src=gr&.dnm=
Sandra+and+Joyce.jpg&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/al
wayslearning/lst%3f%26.dir=/%26.src=gr%26.view=t
Joyce
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Fetteroll
If anyone wants to see all the pictures I took on my trip to visit Sandra
they're at:
http://www.photoaccess.com/share/guest.jsp?ID=A3BF6623078&cb=PA
Click on View Pictures then Launch Viewer and then just click on Next. (Yes,
there *are* an awful lot of pictures of dead people and not enough of live
people. ;-)
If you click on any of the pictures, they'll get bigger.
Joyce
they're at:
http://www.photoaccess.com/share/guest.jsp?ID=A3BF6623078&cb=PA
Click on View Pictures then Launch Viewer and then just click on Next. (Yes,
there *are* an awful lot of pictures of dead people and not enough of live
people. ;-)
If you click on any of the pictures, they'll get bigger.
Joyce
[email protected]
In a message dated 2/17/02 5:05:12 AM, fetteroll@... writes:
<< http://www.photoaccess.com/share/guest.jsp?ID=A3BF6623078&cb=PA >>
I looked at them last night. The graveyard is at San Ysidro Church in
Corrales, a little farm community north of Albuquerque. The church has been
retired/desanctified, but the cemetary is still being used.
Near the end is a photo of my house, my van, my mailbox. My office and
archive (junk room) is the window upstairs and to the right of the front
door, to the right of the vine (I see it IF I ever look up from the
computer). [Oh! Joyce said that in her captions.] So from here I see the
big juniper tree, the mostly-dead honey-locust or whatever it is (gets red
and black bugs in summer), and beyond those the Sandia Mountains.
Sandra
<< http://www.photoaccess.com/share/guest.jsp?ID=A3BF6623078&cb=PA >>
I looked at them last night. The graveyard is at San Ysidro Church in
Corrales, a little farm community north of Albuquerque. The church has been
retired/desanctified, but the cemetary is still being used.
Near the end is a photo of my house, my van, my mailbox. My office and
archive (junk room) is the window upstairs and to the right of the front
door, to the right of the vine (I see it IF I ever look up from the
computer). [Oh! Joyce said that in her captions.] So from here I see the
big juniper tree, the mostly-dead honey-locust or whatever it is (gets red
and black bugs in summer), and beyond those the Sandia Mountains.
Sandra
Joylyn
Love the pictures of New Mexico. I am feeling rather homesick these
days. The cactus in the graves is interesting--keeps people from
robbing the grave I bet, or animals frm digging it up. Luminarios are
also interesting, aren't they to light the way for Baby Jesus? To show
there is room for Mary and Joseph and the baby at that house? So having
them on the grave is a bit strange.
My dad just sent me a bunch of slides for a presentation I'm doing in a
few weeks on the anasazi, at this homeschool camp (maybe slow camp). I
could get $20 off the price of the camp if I did something, planned an
activity or something, so I said I would give a presentation, and picked
the anasazi as my subject. The pictures are beautiful, like yours, and
makeme homesick. Except the picture of the pit. That made me laugh!
And the space ship house, I used to live right by there and drove by it
on the way to UNM. Lexie got a kick out of it, I'll have to show it to
her next time we are in Alb.
I did love the pictures, thank you so much for sharing!
Joylyn
Fetteroll wrote:
Joylyn
Mom to Lexie (6) and Janene (3)
For great nursing clothes and slings, go to www.4mommyandme.com
"Wasn't it Mark Twain who said it takes a very dull person to spell a
word only one way?"
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
days. The cactus in the graves is interesting--keeps people from
robbing the grave I bet, or animals frm digging it up. Luminarios are
also interesting, aren't they to light the way for Baby Jesus? To show
there is room for Mary and Joseph and the baby at that house? So having
them on the grave is a bit strange.
My dad just sent me a bunch of slides for a presentation I'm doing in a
few weeks on the anasazi, at this homeschool camp (maybe slow camp). I
could get $20 off the price of the camp if I did something, planned an
activity or something, so I said I would give a presentation, and picked
the anasazi as my subject. The pictures are beautiful, like yours, and
makeme homesick. Except the picture of the pit. That made me laugh!
And the space ship house, I used to live right by there and drove by it
on the way to UNM. Lexie got a kick out of it, I'll have to show it to
her next time we are in Alb.
I did love the pictures, thank you so much for sharing!
Joylyn
Fetteroll wrote:
> If anyone wants to see all the pictures I took on my trip to visit--
> Sandra
> they're at:
>
> http://www.photoaccess.com/share/guest.jsp?ID=A3BF6623078&cb=PA
>
> Click on View Pictures then Launch Viewer and then just click on Next.
> (Yes,
> there *are* an awful lot of pictures of dead people and not enough of
> live
> people. ;-)
>
> If you click on any of the pictures, they'll get bigger.
>
> Joyce
>
> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> [email protected]
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Joylyn
Mom to Lexie (6) and Janene (3)
For great nursing clothes and slings, go to www.4mommyandme.com
"Wasn't it Mark Twain who said it takes a very dull person to spell a
word only one way?"
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[email protected]
In a message dated 2/17/02 2:40:29 PM, joylyn@... writes:
<< The cactus in the graves is interesting--keeps people from
robbing the grave I bet, or animals frm digging it up. Luminarios are
also interesting, aren't they to light the way for Baby Jesus? To show
there is room for Mary and Joseph and the baby at that house? So having
them on the grave is a bit strange. >>
The cactus wasn't planted there. It came up voluntarily. It wouldn't stop
grave robbers, but anyone whose grave's worth robbing wouldn't be buried
there.
Luminarias are just Christmas lights, and when we went it had been recently
Christmas.
Sandra
<< The cactus in the graves is interesting--keeps people from
robbing the grave I bet, or animals frm digging it up. Luminarios are
also interesting, aren't they to light the way for Baby Jesus? To show
there is room for Mary and Joseph and the baby at that house? So having
them on the grave is a bit strange. >>
The cactus wasn't planted there. It came up voluntarily. It wouldn't stop
grave robbers, but anyone whose grave's worth robbing wouldn't be buried
there.
Luminarias are just Christmas lights, and when we went it had been recently
Christmas.
Sandra
Joylyn
SandraDodd@... wrote:
had always been taught that they were to
light the way for baby jesus. let me see if
I can find refernce (typeing one handed, I
cut my finger...)
Joylyn
Joylyn
Mom to Lexie (6) and Janene (3)
For great nursing clothes and slings, go to
www.4mommyandme.com
"Wasn't it Mark Twain who said it takes a
very dull person to spell a word only one
way?"
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>hmm, came up naturally...
> In a message dated 2/17/02 2:40:29 PM,
> joylyn@... writes:
>
> << The cactus in the graves is
> interesting--keeps people from
> robbing the grave I bet, or animals frm
> digging it up. Luminarios are
> also interesting, aren't they to light the
> way for Baby Jesus? To show
> there is room for Mary and Joseph and the
> baby at that house? So having
> them on the grave is a bit strange. >>
>
> The cactus wasn't planted there. It came
> up voluntarily. It wouldn't stop
> grave robbers, but anyone whose grave's
> worth robbing wouldn't be buried
> there.
>Sorry to disagree, but I don't think so. I
> Luminarias are just Christmas lights, and
> when we went it had been recently
> Christmas.
had always been taught that they were to
light the way for baby jesus. let me see if
I can find refernce (typeing one handed, I
cut my finger...)
Joylyn
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For great nursing clothes and slings, go to
www.4mommyandme.com
"Wasn't it Mark Twain who said it takes a
very dull person to spell a word only one
way?"
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Sharon Rudd" <bearspawprint@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 12:27 PM
Subject: [AlwaysLearning] FYI
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yet!
Nancy, who never believes anything anymore <g>
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In a message dated 2/18/02 10:28:51 AM, joylyn@... writes:
<< I
had always been taught that they were to
light the way for baby jesus. >>
They're most commonly put along the edges of walls and roofs of houses.
Jesus doesn't need to go up there.
People will say all KINDS of stuf is for baby Jesus.
In Espanola in the 60's the boy scouts would put them along all the roads,
and up to every church. Everyone along the route, in town, was supposed to
turn off all their porch lights and business signs, and the leader of all
scouting in the area had a store. He was so busy helping fill thousands of
bags with sand and candles that he forgot to turn HIS sign off one year, so
embarrassingly there was a neon blink, blink, blink to spell "Lucero's" and
then it would all flash off and turn back on. Ooops.
The putting out of those was a marvel. They'd line them up on flatbeds and
trailers and divie out which troop was doing what route, and they got them
all set out and lit within a few hours.
I helped fill them one year. It was a *LOT* of work.
So there was the symbolism of leading people to church, but I never heard the
baby Jesus justification when I was a kid, just as poetic mention on occasion
(like the article you sent, which did say "To me...")
Nobody was trying to lead Jesus to the graveyard, though, but to put festive
Christmassy stuff on the graves of loved ones.
Sandra
<< I
had always been taught that they were to
light the way for baby jesus. >>
They're most commonly put along the edges of walls and roofs of houses.
Jesus doesn't need to go up there.
People will say all KINDS of stuf is for baby Jesus.
In Espanola in the 60's the boy scouts would put them along all the roads,
and up to every church. Everyone along the route, in town, was supposed to
turn off all their porch lights and business signs, and the leader of all
scouting in the area had a store. He was so busy helping fill thousands of
bags with sand and candles that he forgot to turn HIS sign off one year, so
embarrassingly there was a neon blink, blink, blink to spell "Lucero's" and
then it would all flash off and turn back on. Ooops.
The putting out of those was a marvel. They'd line them up on flatbeds and
trailers and divie out which troop was doing what route, and they got them
all set out and lit within a few hours.
I helped fill them one year. It was a *LOT* of work.
So there was the symbolism of leading people to church, but I never heard the
baby Jesus justification when I was a kid, just as poetic mention on occasion
(like the article you sent, which did say "To me...")
Nobody was trying to lead Jesus to the graveyard, though, but to put festive
Christmassy stuff on the graves of loved ones.
Sandra
Sharon Rudd
Just something to be aware of.....Big Brother and all
that.
On another thread, how are you feeling?
Sharon of the Swamp
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that.
On another thread, how are you feeling?
Sharon of the Swamp
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> idea what this means.
>
> sistakammi
>
>
>
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Joylyn
I like tor ead your messages about new mexico
(even espinola, although my parents say it
has changed a lot recently, with a new
walmart, etc.)... Thanks
Joylyn feeling homesick.
SandraDodd@... wrote:
Joylyn
Mom to Lexie (6) and Janene (3)
For great nursing clothes and slings, go to
www.4mommyandme.com
"Wasn't it Mark Twain who said it takes a
very dull person to spell a word only one
way?"
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
(even espinola, although my parents say it
has changed a lot recently, with a new
walmart, etc.)... Thanks
Joylyn feeling homesick.
SandraDodd@... wrote:
>ADVERTISEMENT
> In a message dated 2/18/02 10:28:51 AM,
> joylyn@... writes:
>
> << I
> had always been taught that they were to
> light the way for baby jesus. >>
>
> They're most commonly put along the edges
> of walls and roofs of houses.
> Jesus doesn't need to go up there.
>
> People will say all KINDS of stuf is for
> baby Jesus.
>
> In Espanola in the 60's the boy scouts
> would put them along all the roads,
> and up to every church. Everyone along the
> route, in town, was supposed to
> turn off all their porch lights and
> business signs, and the leader of all
> scouting in the area had a store. He was
> so busy helping fill thousands of
> bags with sand and candles that he forgot
> to turn HIS sign off one year, so
> embarrassingly there was a neon blink,
> blink, blink to spell "Lucero's" and
> then it would all flash off and turn back
> on. Ooops.
>
> The putting out of those was a marvel.
> They'd line them up on flatbeds and
> trailers and divie out which troop was
> doing what route, and they got them
> all set out and lit within a few hours.
>
> I helped fill them one year. It was a
> *LOT* of work.
>
> So there was the symbolism of leading
> people to church, but I never heard the
> baby Jesus justification when I was a kid,
> just as poetic mention on occasion
> (like the article you sent, which did say
> "To me...")
>
> Nobody was trying to lead Jesus to the
> graveyard, though, but to put festive
> Christmassy stuff on the graves of loved
> ones.
>
> Sandra
>
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Mom to Lexie (6) and Janene (3)
For great nursing clothes and slings, go to
www.4mommyandme.com
"Wasn't it Mark Twain who said it takes a
very dull person to spell a word only one
way?"
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
moonmeghan
--- In AlwaysLearning@y..., Sharon Rudd <bearspawprint@y...>
wrote:
I guess it's back to good old letter writing for anything that's
personal or subversive <g>. I wonder how they afford the
manpower to read all emails, considering the volume of them. I
guess they have software that scans for key words, kind of like
those 'net nanny' programs but more hi-tech.
Big Brother is on his way.
Meghan
wrote:
> NOTE:LAW
> ALL ELECTRONIC TRANSMISSIONS PURSUANT TO THE
> USA/PATRIOT ACT ARE NOW READ BY FEDERAL AND STATE
> ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES. REMEMBER THE MIRANDAWARNINGS
> WHEN MAKING ANY AND ALL ELECTRONIC MAILTRANSMISSION
> AS NONE, WE REPEAT NONE ARE PRIVATE IN THE WAKE OFTHE
> PASSAGE OF THE USA/PATRIOT ANTI-FREESPEECH/ANTI-CIVIL
> LIBERTIES ACT.Well,
>
>
I guess it's back to good old letter writing for anything that's
personal or subversive <g>. I wonder how they afford the
manpower to read all emails, considering the volume of them. I
guess they have software that scans for key words, kind of like
those 'net nanny' programs but more hi-tech.
Big Brother is on his way.
Meghan
Sharon Rudd
That's correct. Good guess!
Sharon of the Swamp
I wonder how they
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Sharon of the Swamp
I wonder how they
> afford the__________________________________________________
> manpower to read all emails, considering the volume
> of them. I
> guess they have software that scans for key words,
> kind of like
> those 'net nanny' programs but more hi-tech.
> Big Brother is on his way.
>
> Meghan
>
>
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Nanci Kuykendall
NOTE:
ALL ELECTRONIC TRANSMISSIONS PURSUANT TO THE
USA/PATRIOT ACT ARE NOW READ BY FEDERAL AND STATE LAW
ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES. REMEMBER THE MIRANDA WARNINGS
WHEN MAKING ANY AND ALL ELECTRONIC MAIL TRANSMISSION
AS NONE, WE REPEAT NONE ARE PRIVATE IN THE WAKE OF THE
PASSAGE OF THE USA/PATRIOT ANTI-FREE SPEECH/ANTI-CIVIL
LIBERTIES ACT.
Ooooo, I HATE, HATE, HATE the patriot act.
Grrrrr......
Nanci K.
__________________________________________________
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Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games
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ALL ELECTRONIC TRANSMISSIONS PURSUANT TO THE
USA/PATRIOT ACT ARE NOW READ BY FEDERAL AND STATE LAW
ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES. REMEMBER THE MIRANDA WARNINGS
WHEN MAKING ANY AND ALL ELECTRONIC MAIL TRANSMISSION
AS NONE, WE REPEAT NONE ARE PRIVATE IN THE WAKE OF THE
PASSAGE OF THE USA/PATRIOT ANTI-FREE SPEECH/ANTI-CIVIL
LIBERTIES ACT.
Ooooo, I HATE, HATE, HATE the patriot act.
Grrrrr......
Nanci K.
__________________________________________________
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Julie Stauffer
<<Oooo I HATE HATE HATE the patriot act>>
I figure I'll help them work the bugs out of their system. After the
Enron debacle (makes me want to puke) and the big oil company that just
bought dh's company threatening the employees who don't contribute to United
Way and the political action committee, I was telling dh that the time is
ripe for a good coup.
I was joking (ok half joking) but the fact that Che Guevara is one of my all
time heroes has dh a little worried. We also live in the birth place of
The Republic of Texas group. A couple of their members decided to take on
the government a few years ago and took a family hostage. The secretary of
the group, not involved in the hostage situation, is still in prison because
she refused to give the government their membership list. Guilt by
association, I guess.
I was researching a paper on guerrilla warfare (military strategy is an
interest of mine) a few years ago and was emailing some interesting sorts
down in Mexico and South America. For the first time ever, my passport made
little blips on the screen when I entered the country.
I figure Big Brother has been watching and listening in to the internet
since its inception. They just don't use the information in court.
There, I have "political action", "coup", "Che Guevara", "Republic of
Texas", "hostage" all in one email.....that ought to brighten some suit's
day.
Julie
I figure I'll help them work the bugs out of their system. After the
Enron debacle (makes me want to puke) and the big oil company that just
bought dh's company threatening the employees who don't contribute to United
Way and the political action committee, I was telling dh that the time is
ripe for a good coup.
I was joking (ok half joking) but the fact that Che Guevara is one of my all
time heroes has dh a little worried. We also live in the birth place of
The Republic of Texas group. A couple of their members decided to take on
the government a few years ago and took a family hostage. The secretary of
the group, not involved in the hostage situation, is still in prison because
she refused to give the government their membership list. Guilt by
association, I guess.
I was researching a paper on guerrilla warfare (military strategy is an
interest of mine) a few years ago and was emailing some interesting sorts
down in Mexico and South America. For the first time ever, my passport made
little blips on the screen when I entered the country.
I figure Big Brother has been watching and listening in to the internet
since its inception. They just don't use the information in court.
There, I have "political action", "coup", "Che Guevara", "Republic of
Texas", "hostage" all in one email.....that ought to brighten some suit's
day.
Julie
Tia Leschke
>ROFLOL!
>There, I have "political action", "coup", "Che Guevara", "Republic of
>Texas", "hostage" all in one email.....that ought to brighten some suit's
>day.
Tia
No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.
Eleanor Roosevelt
*********************************************
Tia Leschke
leschke@...
On Vancouver Island