pre-schools for two year olds and why saying "unschooling" could help
Sandra Dodd
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/09/27/sunday/main5345028.shtml?tag=cbsnewsTwoColUpperPromoArea#comments
Scenes from the Pre-K Admissions War Zone
The No-Holds-Barred World of Applying for Elite Nursery Schools Is
Definitely Not Child's Play
There was a tv magazine article this morning about people trying to
get their children into expensive pre-schools in Chicago, New York and
San Francisco. Is this viewable by people outside the U.S.? I'd like
to add it to one of my pages, but not if it's only available to
Americans.
If it does show, it might be interesting to some here, and it's a
cousin of the $12,000 pre-school story of last week. Maybe that was
just in the chat, but I'm not sure.
Thanks,
Sandra
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Scenes from the Pre-K Admissions War Zone
The No-Holds-Barred World of Applying for Elite Nursery Schools Is
Definitely Not Child's Play
There was a tv magazine article this morning about people trying to
get their children into expensive pre-schools in Chicago, New York and
San Francisco. Is this viewable by people outside the U.S.? I'd like
to add it to one of my pages, but not if it's only available to
Americans.
If it does show, it might be interesting to some here, and it's a
cousin of the $12,000 pre-school story of last week. Maybe that was
just in the chat, but I'm not sure.
Thanks,
Sandra
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Bernadette Lynn
2009/9/27 Sandra Dodd <Sandra@...>
Bernadette.
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/U15459
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>I could read it, in the UK
> http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/09/27/sunday/main5345028.shtml?tag=cbsnewsTwoColUpperPromoArea#comments
> Scenes from the Pre-K Admissions War Zone
> The No-Holds-Barred World of Applying for Elite Nursery Schools Is
> Definitely Not Child's Play
>
> There was a tv magazine article this morning about people trying to
> get their children into expensive pre-schools in Chicago, New York and
> San Francisco. Is this viewable by people outside the U.S.? I'd like
> to add it to one of my pages, but not if it's only available to
> Americans.
>
>
Bernadette.
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/U15459
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Mel
Sandra - Is this viewable by people outside the U.S.?
Mel - I am able to view this article in Canada.
(So glad I'm not part of that pre-school rat race!)
Mel
Mel - I am able to view this article in Canada.
(So glad I'm not part of that pre-school rat race!)
Mel
Helen Cain
At 08:41 AM 28/09/2009, Sandra wrote:
Cheers
Helen in Melbourne, Aus
>It's viewable from Australia.
>
><http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/09/27/sunday/main5345028.shtml?tag=cbsnewsTwoColUpperPromoArea#comments>http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/09/27/sunday/main5345028.shtml?tag=cbsnewsTwoColUpperPromoArea#comments
>Scenes from the Pre-K Admissions War Zone
>The No-Holds-Barred World of Applying for Elite Nursery Schools Is
>Definitely Not Child's Play
>
>There was a tv magazine article this morning about people trying to
>get their children into expensive pre-schools in Chicago, New York and
>San Francisco. Is this viewable by people outside the U.S.?
Cheers
Helen in Melbourne, Aus
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>to add it to one of my pages, but not if it's only available to
>Americans.
Julie D
Yes, I can view it in the UK too.
Julie
Julie
--- In [email protected], "Mel" <beensclan@...> wrote:
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> Sandra - Is this viewable by people outside the U.S.?
>
>
> Mel - I am able to view this article in Canada.
> (So glad I'm not part of that pre-school rat race!)
>
> Mel
>
Joyce Fetteroll
On Sep 27, 2009, at 6:41 PM, Sandra Dodd wrote:
about how heroin is moving into the middle and upper middle class
schools. Every kid interviewed mentioned the pressure to perform. One
girl mentioned parents worked hard and gave their kids all this stuff
but still their kids got hooked. As though one should prevent the other.
It's sad that parents believe all those hoops they jump their kids
through are necessary. It's sad that parents don't see the connection
between pressure, not being there for their kids and their kids
turning to something for release and to fill in the hole. It's sad
that it's assumed kids want to use drugs because they're kids.
Joyce
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> There was a tv magazine article this morning about people trying toAnd I can't help seeing the parallels with a recent NY Times article
> get their children into expensive pre-schools in Chicago, New York and
> San Francisco.
about how heroin is moving into the middle and upper middle class
schools. Every kid interviewed mentioned the pressure to perform. One
girl mentioned parents worked hard and gave their kids all this stuff
but still their kids got hooked. As though one should prevent the other.
It's sad that parents believe all those hoops they jump their kids
through are necessary. It's sad that parents don't see the connection
between pressure, not being there for their kids and their kids
turning to something for release and to fill in the hole. It's sad
that it's assumed kids want to use drugs because they're kids.
Joyce
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Schuyler
Oh, I found that article to send to David and a young girl is quoted as saying this:
“Parents are working hard out here and giving their kids all this
stuff, and still kids are getting hooked,” she said. “I think parents
put a blinder over their faces.”
Wow. The article is here if anyone wants to read it: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/27/nyregion/27heroin.html
Schuyler
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From: Joyce Fetteroll <jfetteroll@...>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Monday, 28 September, 2009 11:14:42 AM
Subject: Re: [AlwaysLearning] pre-schools for two year olds and why saying "unschooling" could help
“Parents are working hard out here and giving their kids all this
stuff, and still kids are getting hooked,” she said. “I think parents
put a blinder over their faces.”
Wow. The article is here if anyone wants to read it: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/27/nyregion/27heroin.html
Schuyler
________________________________
From: Joyce Fetteroll <jfetteroll@...>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Monday, 28 September, 2009 11:14:42 AM
Subject: Re: [AlwaysLearning] pre-schools for two year olds and why saying "unschooling" could help
On Sep 27, 2009, at 6:41 PM, Sandra Dodd wrote:
> There was a tv magazine article this morning about people trying to
> get their children into expensive pre-schools in Chicago, New York and
> San Francisco.
And I can't help seeing the parallels with a recent NY Times article
about how heroin is moving into the middle and upper middle class
schools. Every kid interviewed mentioned the pressure to perform. One
girl mentioned parents worked hard and gave their kids all this stuff
but still their kids got hooked. As though one should prevent the other.
It's sad that parents believe all those hoops they jump their kids
through are necessary. It's sad that parents don't see the connection
between pressure, not being there for their kids and their kids
turning to something for release and to fill in the hole. It's sad
that it's assumed kids want to use drugs because they're kids.
Joyce
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Sandra Dodd
-=-It's sad that parents believe all those hoops they jump their kids
through are necessary. It's sad that parents don't see the connection
between pressure, not being there for their kids and their kids
turning to something for release and to fill in the hole. It's sad
that it's assumed kids want to use drugs because they're kids.=-
A vision popped up unbidden after I watched that show, too. If soeone
has paid $6,000 (the cheapest figure they gave on that article) or
$12,000 (as someone has cited her friend as paying lately) for
PREschool, and much more as the kids go through high school, and if
their kid ends up working beside, or for, someone who was
unschooled... Not only will they be PISSED, but they'll have receipts
to show a lawyer.
Somewhere down the line these two parallel universes could meet in
court and a big challenge come to the pay-per-minute education of
babies. IF it helps, groovy. If it doesn't help, or if it harms,
then what?
If it helps, though, that will be the entree that the very-many early-
childhood teachers trained a few years back (probably still) sill
need. When headstart was funded for poor kids (an extra year of pre-
school to "catch them up") it was proveably helpful for their "success
in first grade". Sesame Street was funded in those days, early
1970's, school reform days. Then people thought "not fair they're
getting government education other kids don't get!" After that many
states made kindergarten free and mandatory. Before the 1980s, few
states had mandatory kindergarten, as I remember. Certainly New
Mexico didn't require anything before 1st grade until around then.
Sandra
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through are necessary. It's sad that parents don't see the connection
between pressure, not being there for their kids and their kids
turning to something for release and to fill in the hole. It's sad
that it's assumed kids want to use drugs because they're kids.=-
A vision popped up unbidden after I watched that show, too. If soeone
has paid $6,000 (the cheapest figure they gave on that article) or
$12,000 (as someone has cited her friend as paying lately) for
PREschool, and much more as the kids go through high school, and if
their kid ends up working beside, or for, someone who was
unschooled... Not only will they be PISSED, but they'll have receipts
to show a lawyer.
Somewhere down the line these two parallel universes could meet in
court and a big challenge come to the pay-per-minute education of
babies. IF it helps, groovy. If it doesn't help, or if it harms,
then what?
If it helps, though, that will be the entree that the very-many early-
childhood teachers trained a few years back (probably still) sill
need. When headstart was funded for poor kids (an extra year of pre-
school to "catch them up") it was proveably helpful for their "success
in first grade". Sesame Street was funded in those days, early
1970's, school reform days. Then people thought "not fair they're
getting government education other kids don't get!" After that many
states made kindergarten free and mandatory. Before the 1980s, few
states had mandatory kindergarten, as I remember. Certainly New
Mexico didn't require anything before 1st grade until around then.
Sandra
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Jenny Cyphers
>>>Oh, I found that article to send to David and a young girl is quoted as saying this:“Parents are working hard out here and giving their kids all this
stuff, and still kids are getting hooked,” she said. “I think parents
put a blinder over their faces.”>>>
A lot of times the blinder is good grades and school performance, and it's not just their own parents, but parents of friends are blinded by it too. There are a lot of kids that are very good actors, they know how to impress parents. I'm surprised at how parents fall for that BS. Chamille gets put into the "bad" kid category by so many parents, partly because of the way she looks, but also partly because she doesn't put on that show.
I still get shocked at times at how young people do these things, but I see it. Chamille and Cyle tell me all about who does what and where. Cyle has been deeply shamed by his parents for eliminating many friends from his life. They blame Chamille for it because Chamille won't tolerate being around some of those kids. Any guess why? Yep, she doesn't want anything to do with the drugs and drinking. Cyle doesn't either. They've created this very small, but very wonderful network of friends. We call it the quality over quantity network!
Chamille stopped being friends with a kid that really still wants to be friends with her. He keeps talking to me about it. So, every now and again, I bring it up to Chamille. The last time I mentioned it, she said to me, "mom, I'm happy with the friends that I have. I don't need any more. He's going to bring too much drama in my life that I don't want to deal with." This is a kid that many parents LOVE because he knows how to put on that show.
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