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Sheila,
My son is really into making up his own recipes. The last time he made a "cake" I asked him if he wanted to look at some cake recipes to get an idea of the basic ingredients. He declined and proceeded to bake a very strange concoction that I didn't really enjoy. His siblings however thought it very tasty.
I tried to critique it with very detailed words "it's a little bit dry, but very sweet" etc.....
I also offered the cake recipes for reference again so he could try and figure out how to fix what he didn't like about his recipe....he declined once again.
I say offer the info. and let them go! She might like it just the way it is. I wouldn't hesitate to tell my son that the cake mix DID have flour in it, but he'd probably respond with something about trying to thicken it up. LOL
Have info. available to her and offer it. If she doesn't want it then let her run with it and be supportive. It may turn out wonderful. My sis has a really incredible cake recipe that starts with a boxed mix and adds a bunch of other stuff to it. It's always a hit, so you never know!!
Ren


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> 1. Re: Disposable Children
> From: Nancy Wooton <Felicitas@...>
> 2. Re: Let Them Eat Cake
> From: Sharon Rudd <bearspawprint@...>
> 3. Let Them Eat Cake
> From: Nanci Kuykendall <aisliin@...>
> 4. HELP
> From: Nanci Kuykendall <aisliin@...>
> 5. Negotiating for Kids
> From: "Dawn Falbe" <dawn@...>
> 6. Oatmeal Cookies
> From: ddzimlew@...
> 7. Re: Soccer: was Classes?
> From: freeform@...
> 8. Re: Negotiating for Kids
> From: "Pat Cald..." <homeschoolmd@...>
> 9. Re: Negotiating for Kids
> From: ddzimlew@...
> 10. Re: Too many sweets
> From: megates@...
> 11. Re: Re: Too many sweets
> From: Sharon Rudd <bearspawprint@...>
> 12. Re: Too many sweets
> From: "kayb85" <sheran@...>
> 13. Re: Digest Number 220:Greeens
> From: Sharon Rudd <bearspawprint@...>
> 14. My daughter's baking experiments
> From: "kayb85" <sheran@...>
> 15. Re: Re: Too many sweets
> From: Sharon Rudd <bearspawprint@...>
> 16. Re: My daughter's baking experiments
> From: Sharon Rudd <bearspawprint@...>
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>Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 13:54:24 -0800
> From: Nancy Wooton <Felicitas@...>
>Subject: Re: Disposable Children
>
>on 2/10/02 1:16 PM, SandraDodd@... at SandraDodd@... wrote:
>
>> The job of lower-Protestant (further from Catholic tradition) parents is to
>> control the sinful little things until they're old enough to understand and
>> to repent and accept Jesus on their own. But until the time that they reach
>> "the age of accountability" (also not a Bible quote, but a church-concept)
>> they're little bundles of sin.
>
>And according to a fundy-friend, the Dad is accountable to God in their
>place. Hence, beat the little stinkers so God won't beat you. (Actually,
>he told his daughter God sometimes had to spank daddy; she asked if she
>could watch.)
>
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>Message: 2
> Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 14:45:54 -0800 (PST)
> From: Sharon Rudd <bearspawprint@...>
>Subject: Re: Let Them Eat Cake
>
>You are right Tia, it is realtive. I don't use that
>recipe. It isn't even very close. I don't use butter
>(animal fat) either. I forgot about official cook
>books. Sorry.
>
>Sharon of the Swamp 4 parts rolled oats to 1 part
>unbleached white or graham flour
>.................................
>--- Tia Leschke <leschke@...> wrote:
>>
>> >Goodness, what do you put in your cookies? Or don't
>> >you put margarine and brown sugar (or honey), and a
>> >dab of milk in your outmeal?
>>
>> I *was* going to just let this drop, but. . .
>> I just looked up an oatmeal cookie recipe in Joy of
>> Cooking. The
>> proportions are 1 cup flour, 1 cup oatmeal, 1 cup
>> sugar, and 1/2 cup
>> butter. So, for every 2 cups of cooked oatmeal,
>> you're adding a cup of
>> sugar and a half a cup of butter? Yikes! is all I
>> can say. I haven't put
>> butter on my oatmeal in years, but when I did, I
>> might have used a
>> tablespoonful, and maybe a couple of tablespoonsful
>> of sugar. I know we're
>> trying to take the good/bad judgement away from
>> foods, but *if* we're going
>> to say one is as good for you as the other. . .
>> Tia
>>
>> No one can make you feel inferior without your
>> consent.
>> Eleanor Roosevelt
>> *********************************************
>> Tia Leschke
>> leschke@...
>> On Vancouver Island
>>
>>
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> Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 14:52:17 -0800 (PST)
> From: Nanci Kuykendall <aisliin@...>
>Subject: Let Them Eat Cake
>
>>>Goodness, what do you put in your cookies? Or don't
>>>you put margarine and brown sugar (or honey), and a
>>>dab of milk in your outmeal?
>
>>I *was* going to just let this drop, but. . .
>>I just looked up an oatmeal cookie recipe in Joy of
>>Cooking. The proportions are 1 cup flour, 1 cup
>>oatmeal, 1 cup sugar, and 1/2 cup butter. So, for
>>every 2 cups of cooked oatmeal, >you're adding a cup
>>of sugar and a half a cup of >butter? Yikes! is all
>>I can say.
>>Tia
>
>My cookie recipes calls for three cups of oatmeal, 1.5
>cups of sugar, 1 cup of flour, 2 eggs, 1 cup of butter
>and misc (baking soda, spice, raisins, etc). So you
>get 6 cups of cooked oatmeal, plus eggs, which are
>good for you too, per 1.5 cups of sugar and 1 cup of
>butter.
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> Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 14:59:24 -0800 (PST)
> From: Nanci Kuykendall <aisliin@...>
>Subject: HELP
>
>> Please I need your advice to help me
>> help this kid! Anyone and everyone with ideas to
>get
>> this kid out of school let me know!
>>
>
>>What state?
>>--pam
>
>I forgot to put that in my original message, although
>I intended to. We are in WA state. I don't know if
>there are independent study programs here, as I am not
>a Washington native and have never had cause to find
>out before. Anyone know? I was in an independent
>study program in San Francisco as a teen myself.
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> Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 16:58:03 -0700
> From: "Dawn Falbe" <dawn@...>
>Subject: Negotiating for Kids
>
>I said the sentence below, but there was more to it and it has been snipped.
>My question was why use age as a difference? If as unschoolers it's
>advocated that we are all equal what does the teachers age have to do with
>my six year old? Either way I let him decide that he would speak for
>himself with me standing right behind him. The next week he didn't want to
>go for the same reason he didn't want to go that week (he didn't want to sit
>in the same place), so I didn't make him go. This week he didn't want to go
>again and it was the last class so I didn't make him go.... I'm not signing
>him up for anymore classes unless he really wants them, but that would be
>part of learning about the unschooling process. If this is a list for only
>seasoned radical unschoolers I was unaware of that. Because I disagree with
>"the leader" does not mean I'm wrong for my family. There are no
>authorities on unschooling.... Isn't that the whole point, that we each have
>deal with our children the way that feels comfortable for our child and
>learn what works and what doesn't.
>
>I have not been responding to many of the posts because I feel that I don't
>want to get into a "war of words", who can say things "the best" or
>"correctly" so I'll go back to lurking, like many others and then when
>someone says something I disagree with I'll just think it rather than bring
>it up. That way it's safer than having the whole of what I said pulled
>apart. It was one of the reasons to leave unschooling.com. picky, picky,
>picky.....
>
>Dawn
>
>Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 16:19:05 EST
>
>From: SandraDodd@...
>
>Subject: Re: negotiating for kids
>
>In a message dated 2/10/02 2:14:47 PM, freeform@... writes:<< On Sun,
>10 Feb 2002 15:47:26 EST SandraDodd@... writes:
>
>> > In a message dated 2/9/02 6:58:10 PM, freeform@... writes:> << >
>The only thing I would have to disagree with is that six is too
>
>> young to be> > expected to deal with an adult directly. >>I didn't say
>this. Dawn did, I think.
>
>Dar >>
>
>It was someone quoting someone already--sorry I just let my automatic
>responder-thang go without deleting or looking back to see who originally
>
>said what. It more means what post I got it from than who first put those
>words together. Nothing meant by it. I wasn't even looking at names.
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>Message: 6
> Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 17:58:51 -0700
> From: ddzimlew@...
>Subject: Oatmeal Cookies
>
>I usually cut half the fat in cookie recipes with applesauce. In some
>recipes and for those with no nut allergies, you can substitute a couple
>of tablespoons nut butter too for the same amount of margarine. I've
>generally found you don't need the amount of fat they say. You usually
>don't need eggs in cookie recipes either. 'Course I eat whale snot, so
>there you go.
>
>Deb L, in MT where we eat Cream of the West. Yum. ( with soy milk and
>brown sugar )
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>Message: 7
> Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 19:06:40 -0700
> From: freeform@...
>Subject: Re: Soccer: was Classes?
>
>
>
>On Sun, 10 Feb 2002 08:37:52 -0800 Tia Leschke <leschke@...>
>writes:
>>
>> >It was a frustrating game,
>> >apparently the other team was elbowing our girls and pulling on their
>> >sleeves, and the refs didn't call any of it. Cacie could see why the
>> >other girl would say this, it made some sense to level the field.
>>
>> A good coach would be politely asking the ref why they weren't
>> calling those penalties. When refs let that stuff go, they're just
>asking
>> for a rougher game.
>
>I think Cacie's coach is wonderful, and I think she's been lucky in
>soccer to have two very gentle, nurturing head coaches (and both
>assistant coaches have been good guys too, the one this year is a college
>soccer player). Generally, in both of the leagues we've played it, it's
>considered very bad form to contradict a referee's call or tell a ref
>what calls to make, and I agree with that policy. It's a hard job, and
>some of the refs are only 9 or 10 years old. They don't need someone
>second-guessing their calls, even in a nice way. They can't see
>everything. I know this coach has very respectfully spoken to the field
>ref a couple of times after a game, about some calls, but I don't think
>it's appropriate during a game.
>
>The refs also seem to get better as the kids get older... Cacie plays on
>a U9 and a U10 team, so the kids are pretty young, and they tend to be
>more thoughtless than vicious.
>
>>But you can tell Cacie that the refs almost always see the
>> retaliation, and will usually call the penalty on the person who
>> retaliated. So that strategy would end up hurting her team.
>
>I don't think they meant to retaliate, just to use the same tactics,
>like, "If someone from the other team is racing you for the ball, elbow
>her out of the way, since that's what they alwsys do to us." Things like
>that. The girl who had the idea is probably the most competitive kid on
>the team, she and Cacie have argued before. Actually, this girl has
>argued with a good number of the other girls. I had gone to my car so I
>wasn't there when she and Cacie first got into it, but when I arrived
>Cacie was in tears and there were three or four girls at her side
>supporting her and telling her that G. has "yelled at" them, too. The
>coach also hadled that nicely...
>
>The game today was a very fairly-played 1-1 tie....
>
>
>> Tia, the sports-hating sports mum
>
>:-) I like sports. I've been looking for a very recreational soccer
>league for thirty-something women who haven't played in years...
>
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>Message: 8
> Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 21:51:06 -0500
> From: "Pat Cald..." <homeschoolmd@...>
>Subject: Re: Negotiating for Kids
>
>Dawn, I got lost in this thread. Where Sandra say you were doing something wrong for your family?
>
>The way I saw it, she was speaking to the comment that a 6 year old could be "expected" to deal with an adult. I imagine that thought set an idea in Sandra's head that she felt would benefit many of us. If you had a notion that you were trying to toughen your son up by making him stand up to the teacher, you may have read what Sandra said and thought about it a little. The rest of us got to think about this idea as well.
>
>You clarified that you were not trying to toughen up your little guy but did want him to feel he could question all people no matter their age.
>
>In a previous post, I *disagreed* with the concept that having family dinners was controlling. After hearing my reasons, no one said they went against unschooling. If they had I would have taken a harder look.
>
>At another time, I explained how we handle food choices in our home. My ideas were challenged and I gained some new insight. If I had not spoken up, I would not have benefited.
>
>If you choose to stay in lurk mode, you will have to wait for someone else to ask the questions you want the answers to. It may take longer but I guess it is safer.
>
>If we all choose to lurk because we are afraid, we will miss out on some pretty great discussions.
>
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>Message: 9
> Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 20:25:42 -0700
> From: ddzimlew@...
>Subject: Re: Negotiating for Kids
>
>
>
>On Sun, 10 Feb 2002 16:58:03 -0700 "Dawn Falbe" <dawn@...>
>writes:
>
> >...so I'll go back to lurking,...
>
>Hey Dawn,
>I'm sorry you feel like lurking. I think we all understood your son
>*wanted* to speak with the teacher. Probably most of us would have done
>the same thing, let him ask, be there for support, to clarify, whatever.
>
>I think the broader subject of children being left to deal with teachers
>on there own came naturally from that. It's something for all of us to
>think about; do we advocate for our (less experienced, more easily
>intimidated) kids with people of authority? Your post was a kind of
>jumping off point.
>I've appreciated your contribution to the list and I hope you change your
>mind. Thinking about this stuff makes us all smarter, better parents.
>
>Deb L
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>Message: 10
> Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 14:15:09 -0800
> From: megates@...
>Subject: Re: Too many sweets
>
>Anyone heard of Ellyn Satter's "How to Get Your Kid to Eat, But Not Too
>Much?"
>
>I read it nearly 8 years ago, but I remember thinking that she had a lot
>of great stuff to say about the benefits of parents NOT controlling their
>kid's eating from the very beginning, the psychology of eating, what is a
>"normal" body size/type, etc. Her bottom line is that it is the parent's
>job to provide the food and the kid's job to eat... or not eat. Reading
>her book also helped me get over some of my own food hang-ups.
>
>Pudginess before a growth spurt is normal for children, with some getting
>more pudge than others. Although extreme overweight is a risk factor for
>several common American diseases, there are also skinny people having
>heart attacks, strokes, or other health problems.
>
>Oh, now I remember the other book I read that dealt with this issue!
>Mother Dance, by Harriet Lerner. She is a psychologist. I found the
>book hilarious and insightful on the issue of motherhood. One of her
>chapters deals with food and she tells of her own experience with
>"de-controlling" her sons' eating. Very interesting. At one point her
>son ended up sneaking grapes at a buffet bc the parents were boycotting
>something that had to do with grape-growing industry and would not allow
>grapes in the house. Sneaking food has more to do with control than with
>whether the food is "healthy" or not.
>
>Mary Ellen
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>Message: 11
> Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 20:17:10 -0800 (PST)
> From: Sharon Rudd <bearspawprint@...>
>Subject: Re: Re: Too many sweets
>
>Sneaking food has more to do
>> with control than with
>> whether the food is "healthy" or not.
>
>Lots of food issues are control issues rather than
>what they superficially appear to be. Anorexia is not
>about beauty, but control. Diets and binge diets are
>control....purging is about control. If contol was
>just about food, food issues would be easier to
>control. Just some comments to toss into the air. Now
>I'm gonna duck!
>
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>Message: 12
> Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 04:41:37 -0000
> From: "kayb85" <sheran@...>
>Subject: Re: Too many sweets
>
>Sneaking food does have to do with control. However, an aversion to
>sweets might have to do with a physical problem such as a hormonal
>imbalance, hypoglycemia, etc.
>Sheila
>
>
>--- In AlwaysLearning@y..., Sharon Rudd <bearspawprint@y...> wrote:
>> Sneaking food has more to do
>> > with control than with
>> > whether the food is "healthy" or not.
>>
>> Lots of food issues are control issues rather than
>> what they superficially appear to be. Anorexia is not
>> about beauty, but control. Diets and binge diets are
>> control....purging is about control. If contol was
>> just about food, food issues would be easier to
>> control. Just some comments to toss into the air. Now
>> I'm gonna duck!
>>
>> Sharon of the Swamp
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> Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 20:42:57 -0800 (PST)
> From: Sharon Rudd <bearspawprint@...>
>Subject: Re: Digest Number 220:Greeens
>
>Thanks Julie
>
>About 2lb ( a mess) fresh, WASHED, locally grown
>collards (local may be the difference), cut up with
>most of the thick center vein removed. Cover with
>water in a pot big enough to hold them all, add a glop
>of vegetable oil (fat back or bacon is
>traditional....but so is arteriosclerosis), I use
>canola. Salt, black pepper, and about 1 quarter cup of
>sugar (honey has a nice flavor, too...bet your thyme
>honey would be good and would make it yours). Stir it
>all together and boil, reduce heat, simmer until they
>are how as tender as you prefer. I like mine with
>vinegar (various kinds) DH likes his with corn-bread
>crumbled or broken in chunks and salsa and LOTS of
>Seminole Seasoning (a salt substitute with salt in
>it)or hot sauce and Seminole Seasoning. Roy, and his
>brothers, and most kids, like theirs, as is. Left
>overs can be frozen in the juice and zapped later, or
>heated on the stove top. Old country folks save the
>pot liquor (the juice) and drink it as a beverage.
>Collards are high in everything, including calcium,
>iron, anti-oxidants, B vitamins, ruffage (give some
>folks gas, but it is the same people who get gas with
>brocoli, cauliflower, cabbage, and all the rest) and
>other good stuff I don't really know about...a little
>K and ????
>
>Adrian had a good appetite! and secure enough to be
>willing to try new foods.
>
>Sharon of the Swamp
>
>--- Julie Stauffer <jnjstau@...> wrote:
>> <<his salads are tasty and interesting>>
>>
>> Must get it from his Mama.
>>
>> I have tried and tried to recreate your greens
>> recipe. They were so good
>> and Adriane really enjoyed them. I just can't get
>> it right. If you are
>> ever in the mood to share your secrets........
>>
>> Julie
>>
>>
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>Message: 14
> Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 04:47:48 -0000
> From: "kayb85" <sheran@...>
>Subject: My daughter's baking experiments
>
>From an unschooling perspective, how would you deal with this? My
>daughter is 8 1/2 years old and is trying to create her own recipe
>for a baking contest. She baked her cake tonight and she's planning
>on decorating it and letting us taste it tomorrow. Here are the
>ingredients she used:
>
>2 eggs
>6 oz. pack of strawberry jello
>one box of vanilla cake mix
>half a cup of butter
>1 cup of milk
>half a tablespoon of baking powder
>half a cup of sugar
>half a cup of water
>2 cups of flour
>
>So...If I taste this and it's not that good, do I tell her the truth?
>(I'm inclined to think I should.) Do I point out to her that the
>cake mix already contains flour and other ingredients so she wouldn't
>have had to add them again? Or do I not tell her and let her figure
>it out on her own?
>
>Thanks,
>Sheila
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>Message: 15
> Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 20:54:26 -0800 (PST)
> From: Sharon Rudd <bearspawprint@...>
>Subject: Re: Re: Too many sweets
>
>--- kayb85 <sheran@...> wrote:
>> Sneaking food does have to do with control.
>> However, an aversion to
>> sweets might have to do with a physical problem such
>> as a hormonal
>> imbalance, hypoglycemia, etc.
>> Sheila
>
>Yes...my oldest DS had a overt aversion to sugar in
>all forms. Then once when I was at work and XDH ,
>well, anyway, DS (6 at the time) drank a 16 oz coke.
>Caffine and sugar....Blam!! He hallucinated, poor
>little guy was in a panic when I got home. Yosemite
>Sam and dragons going in and out of the screen wire,
>he was shivering, though it was a hot summer
>night...Poor baby....He still sensibly avoids
>artificial stimulants and excessive sugar. No problems
>for other 3 DS.
>
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>Message: 16
> Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 20:58:39 -0800 (PST)
> From: Sharon Rudd <bearspawprint@...>
>Subject: Re: My daughter's baking experiments
>
>She already baked it? Actually it probably will be
>pretty good! And a pretty pink color. Bet a cream
>cheese icing would go well with it.
>
>Sharon of the Swamp
>
>--- kayb85 <sheran@...> wrote:
>> From an unschooling perspective, how would you deal
>> with this? My
>> daughter is 8 1/2 years old and is trying to create
>> her own recipe
>> for a baking contest. She baked her cake tonight
>> and she's planning
>> on decorating it and letting us taste it tomorrow.
>> Here are the
>> ingredients she used:
>>
>> 2 eggs
>> 6 oz. pack of strawberry jello
>> one box of vanilla cake mix
>> half a cup of butter
>> 1 cup of milk
>> half a tablespoon of baking powder
>> half a cup of sugar
>> half a cup of water
>> 2 cups of flour
>>
>> So...If I taste this and it's not that good, do I
>> tell her the truth?
>> (I'm inclined to think I should.) Do I point out to
>> her that the
>> cake mix already contains flour and other
>> ingredients so she wouldn't
>> have had to add them again? Or do I not tell her
>> and let her figure
>> it out on her own?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Sheila
>>
>>
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