Re: Too many sweets
Janet
I have been letting the kids self regulate for several years now. If I make
a dinner and make them plates, they can eat what they want and leave the
rest. I try to stock the house with healthy foods and foods easy to grab or
prepare (bananas, apples, grapes, melon, crackers, peanut butter, cereal,
milk, juices, baby carrots, broccoli, yogurts, whole wheat bread, sliced
turkey breast or ham, etc). DD will eat these things, but when left to her
own devices (which she is, 99.9% of the time) she will eat cereal, ice
cream, popsicles, cookies, gum, anything sweet before she'll eat the healthy
stuff. If there isn't anything sweet in the house (we ran out, they didn't
ask when we were at the store, or whatever) she'll eat the chocolate chips
in the baking cupboard or make sticky sweet lemonade from lemon juice,
sugar, and water. Or she'll ask to make cookies. If there's truly nothing
sweet (we don't have all of the ingredients for cookies), she is grumpy and
begs to go to the store for something sweet (even if the house has other
good, fresh, healthy alternatives).
I understand where she's at: I, too, am a sugar addict and have been since
I was a child. Now that I'm an adult, I still find it hard to self regulate
(though I tend to eat healthy stuff during the day and snack on the junk at
night when the kids are in bed; you know, trying to set a good example). I
personally feel 1000% better if I eliminate sugar and refined flour from my
diet, with limited pasta. I can eat sweet fruits with no problems. It
seems to be the refined stuff that's the problem.
Has anyone who has had a child with a sweet tooth seen them self regulate
after unlimited access to all foods? I haven't seen it completely happen
with my dd. I'm wondering if certain people process these refined flours
and sugars differently making it harder to self regulate (when your body is
screaming for sugar, it's hard to ignore!!)
Janet, mom to Caroline, 7, and Thomas, 3
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a dinner and make them plates, they can eat what they want and leave the
rest. I try to stock the house with healthy foods and foods easy to grab or
prepare (bananas, apples, grapes, melon, crackers, peanut butter, cereal,
milk, juices, baby carrots, broccoli, yogurts, whole wheat bread, sliced
turkey breast or ham, etc). DD will eat these things, but when left to her
own devices (which she is, 99.9% of the time) she will eat cereal, ice
cream, popsicles, cookies, gum, anything sweet before she'll eat the healthy
stuff. If there isn't anything sweet in the house (we ran out, they didn't
ask when we were at the store, or whatever) she'll eat the chocolate chips
in the baking cupboard or make sticky sweet lemonade from lemon juice,
sugar, and water. Or she'll ask to make cookies. If there's truly nothing
sweet (we don't have all of the ingredients for cookies), she is grumpy and
begs to go to the store for something sweet (even if the house has other
good, fresh, healthy alternatives).
I understand where she's at: I, too, am a sugar addict and have been since
I was a child. Now that I'm an adult, I still find it hard to self regulate
(though I tend to eat healthy stuff during the day and snack on the junk at
night when the kids are in bed; you know, trying to set a good example). I
personally feel 1000% better if I eliminate sugar and refined flour from my
diet, with limited pasta. I can eat sweet fruits with no problems. It
seems to be the refined stuff that's the problem.
Has anyone who has had a child with a sweet tooth seen them self regulate
after unlimited access to all foods? I haven't seen it completely happen
with my dd. I'm wondering if certain people process these refined flours
and sugars differently making it harder to self regulate (when your body is
screaming for sugar, it's hard to ignore!!)
Janet, mom to Caroline, 7, and Thomas, 3
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Nanci Kuykendall
> If I make a dinner and make them plates, they caneat what they want and leave the rest. I try to stock
the house with healthy foods and foods easy to
grab or prepare (bananas, apples, grapes, melon,
crackers, peanut butter, cereal, milk, juices, baby
carrots, broccoli, yogurts, whole wheat bread, sliced
turkey breast or ham, etc). DD will eat these things,
but when left to her own devices (which she is, 99.9%
of the time) she will eat cereal, ice cream,
popsicles, cookies, gum, anything sweet before she'll
eat the healthy stuff.
SAME HERE, exzactly! Word for word how we handle
dinner (eat whatever you like here) and stocking
snacks (except omit peanut butter..too dangerous for
allowing free access). And the boys will eat these
things, but when left to themselves seem to prefer
only the sweet stuff. My oldest, Thomas, is worse
than my younger son about it. Younger son will ask
for grilled cheese, ham, bananas, oranges and other
more healthy things more often.
>I understand where she's at: I, too, am a sugarSAMN SAME SAME HERE, exactly. Down to the eating
>addict and have been since I was a child. Now that
>I'm an adult, I still find it hard to self regulate
>(though I tend to eat healthy stuff during the day
>and snack on the junk at night when the kids are in
>bed; you know, trying to set a good example). I
>personally feel 1000% better if I eliminate sugar and
>refined flour from my diet, with limited pasta. I
>can eat sweet fruits with no problems. It
>seems to be the refined stuff that's the problem.
things at night, felling better without refined
sugars, and all.
>I'm wondering if certain people process these refinedGood question. It is VERY hard to ignore.
>flours and sugars differently making it harder to
>self regulate (when your body is screaming for sugar,
>it's hard to ignore!!)
>Sponsor me in the Suzuki Rock & Roll Marathon as IJanet how frightening! I wish your son a quick and
>raise money for the Leukemia & Lymphoma Society.
>I'll be running in honor of my 3 yr old son,
>Thomas, who was diagnosed with leukemia in Oct. 2000.
successful battle with that horrible disease. I wish
you strength and perserverence and a house full of
love.
Nanci K.
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On Sat, 9 Feb 2002 14:26:02 -0800 (PST) Nanci Kuykendall
<aisliin@...> writes:
I struggle with food issues. I know how I want to handle things, but I
don't always live up to it. I struggled with bulimia and anorexia in my
teens and early twenties, although I'm really over it now. I eat what I
want at the time, I don't worry about calories, and I trust my body to
crave what it needs. And it works... however, I'm 5'8" and about 130
pounds, so it's pretty easy for me to talk. My mom was constantly on a
diet, my sister went on her first diet at 5 and ate nothing but celery
and water chestnuts, stuff like that.
Cacie, OTOH, was a 9 pound baby and has always been big, tall and heavy
and solid. My friends tell me she's not fat, but I have some skewed
perceptions and I think she is sometimes. Actually, she was a chubby baby
and toddler and 3 yr old, and ever since then she's gained a bunch of
weight and then grown a lot taller, so to me she looks chubby for a
while, then she grows taller and looks average, then it all repeats.
Last Septemeber she apparently gained 20 pounds in a couple of months,
and weighed 102 pounds at 4'9". She was 8... and she looked fat to me,
she had a big belly, and I had a really hard time with it. I really do
think it was mostly her natural growth pattern again, because she just
seemee constantly starving, but there was also a lot of food around that
we didn't usually eat, mostly processed snack foods like chips and kudos
bars and stuff like that... plus we were all busy and stressed, and so
for whatever reasons, she ate a ton of "junk food" and gained that
weight.
I had a really hard time with it, probably more than when she was little
because it's not cute and chubby anymore, she ws developing physically
and it was preteen and chubby. I did start to realize how much I still
bought into the ideas that fat was ugly and bad, and fat wasn't as good
as thin and all that, especially with my own kid. I felt ashamed that she
was fat. I have friends who are overweight, and somehow I don't feel the
same was about them - I've tried to talk them out of going to Weight
Watchers, I think because I was afraid they'd develop an eating disorder,
now that I look back on it.... another branch on thsi whole issue.
I really struggled with limiting food for Cacie - I wanted to, but I
also knew it was the wrong thing for me to do, I didn't want to give her
a complex about what she ate, I didn't want food to be an issue like
that. I faltered a few times but recovered, basically. I did consciously
do some things, like make sure I was cooking healthy, filling meals that
she liked, and offering to do things with her that were physically active
(and she's always been very physically active, she loves soccer and
softball and football and stilting and hiking, all of it). They were
optional, of course, but they were things she liked and she almost always
took me up on it, and I felt better, it gave me some fuel against my
inner tapes... but I was almsot always clear that it was my issue, my
problem, she was fine, happy, and healthy...
So, now Cacie's grown an inch or two, I think; she looks taller and
slimmer again. She's not constantly hungry... and it's easier for me, I
feel like I've gone through the gauntlet. Maybe next time I'll be better,
I don't know.
Dar
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> SAME HERE, exzactly! Word for word how we handleWhy is peanut butter dangerous?
> dinner (eat whatever you like here) and stocking
> snacks (except omit peanut butter..too dangerous for
> allowing free access)
I struggle with food issues. I know how I want to handle things, but I
don't always live up to it. I struggled with bulimia and anorexia in my
teens and early twenties, although I'm really over it now. I eat what I
want at the time, I don't worry about calories, and I trust my body to
crave what it needs. And it works... however, I'm 5'8" and about 130
pounds, so it's pretty easy for me to talk. My mom was constantly on a
diet, my sister went on her first diet at 5 and ate nothing but celery
and water chestnuts, stuff like that.
Cacie, OTOH, was a 9 pound baby and has always been big, tall and heavy
and solid. My friends tell me she's not fat, but I have some skewed
perceptions and I think she is sometimes. Actually, she was a chubby baby
and toddler and 3 yr old, and ever since then she's gained a bunch of
weight and then grown a lot taller, so to me she looks chubby for a
while, then she grows taller and looks average, then it all repeats.
Last Septemeber she apparently gained 20 pounds in a couple of months,
and weighed 102 pounds at 4'9". She was 8... and she looked fat to me,
she had a big belly, and I had a really hard time with it. I really do
think it was mostly her natural growth pattern again, because she just
seemee constantly starving, but there was also a lot of food around that
we didn't usually eat, mostly processed snack foods like chips and kudos
bars and stuff like that... plus we were all busy and stressed, and so
for whatever reasons, she ate a ton of "junk food" and gained that
weight.
I had a really hard time with it, probably more than when she was little
because it's not cute and chubby anymore, she ws developing physically
and it was preteen and chubby. I did start to realize how much I still
bought into the ideas that fat was ugly and bad, and fat wasn't as good
as thin and all that, especially with my own kid. I felt ashamed that she
was fat. I have friends who are overweight, and somehow I don't feel the
same was about them - I've tried to talk them out of going to Weight
Watchers, I think because I was afraid they'd develop an eating disorder,
now that I look back on it.... another branch on thsi whole issue.
I really struggled with limiting food for Cacie - I wanted to, but I
also knew it was the wrong thing for me to do, I didn't want to give her
a complex about what she ate, I didn't want food to be an issue like
that. I faltered a few times but recovered, basically. I did consciously
do some things, like make sure I was cooking healthy, filling meals that
she liked, and offering to do things with her that were physically active
(and she's always been very physically active, she loves soccer and
softball and football and stilting and hiking, all of it). They were
optional, of course, but they were things she liked and she almost always
took me up on it, and I felt better, it gave me some fuel against my
inner tapes... but I was almsot always clear that it was my issue, my
problem, she was fine, happy, and healthy...
So, now Cacie's grown an inch or two, I think; she looks taller and
slimmer again. She's not constantly hungry... and it's easier for me, I
feel like I've gone through the gauntlet. Maybe next time I'll be better,
I don't know.
Dar
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>>(except omit peanut butter..too dangerous forOur oldest goes into anaphalactic (spelling?) shock from contact with
>> allowing free access)
>
> Why is peanut butter dangerous?
> Dar
nuts. Even skin contact or inhalation is dangerous exposure.
Nanci K.
Sharon Rudd
. I'm wondering if certain people process
Or the static is distracting you from something else
more painful.
Sharon of the Swamp
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> these refined floursInsulin?
> and sugars differently making it harder to self
> regulate (when your body is
> screaming for sugar, it's hard to ignore!!)
Or the static is distracting you from something else
more painful.
Sharon of the Swamp
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Casie grows out and then up. Roy grows up and then
fills out.
The older ones did too. They would looks SO thin for a
while....I would start to worry if they DIDN'T eat
what I thought was enough.
I do know better, but I worry anyway. Worry doesn't
change anything. And mostly I can dissipate it (the
worry)...or promise myself I may worry about "it"
later, and later the issue isn't there anymore!!
Sharon of the Swamp
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fills out.
The older ones did too. They would looks SO thin for a
while....I would start to worry if they DIDN'T eat
what I thought was enough.
I do know better, but I worry anyway. Worry doesn't
change anything. And mostly I can dissipate it (the
worry)...or promise myself I may worry about "it"
later, and later the issue isn't there anymore!!
Sharon of the Swamp
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> time I'll be better,
> I don't know.
>
> Dar
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> I'm wondering if certain people processWell I am hypoglycemic, which is also a glucose
> > these refined flours
> > and sugars differently making it harder to self
> > regulate (when your body is
> > screaming for sugar, it's hard to ignore!!)
>
>Diabetics come to mind here.
>Andrea Kim :-)
disorder. So perhaps that has something to do with
the sugar addiction...
Nanci K.
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Anyone heard of Ellyn Satter's "How to Get Your Kid to Eat, But Not Too
Much?"
I read it nearly 8 years ago, but I remember thinking that she had a lot
of great stuff to say about the benefits of parents NOT controlling their
kid's eating from the very beginning, the psychology of eating, what is a
"normal" body size/type, etc. Her bottom line is that it is the parent's
job to provide the food and the kid's job to eat... or not eat. Reading
her book also helped me get over some of my own food hang-ups.
Pudginess before a growth spurt is normal for children, with some getting
more pudge than others. Although extreme overweight is a risk factor for
several common American diseases, there are also skinny people having
heart attacks, strokes, or other health problems.
Oh, now I remember the other book I read that dealt with this issue!
Mother Dance, by Harriet Lerner. She is a psychologist. I found the
book hilarious and insightful on the issue of motherhood. One of her
chapters deals with food and she tells of her own experience with
"de-controlling" her sons' eating. Very interesting. At one point her
son ended up sneaking grapes at a buffet bc the parents were boycotting
something that had to do with grape-growing industry and would not allow
grapes in the house. Sneaking food has more to do with control than with
whether the food is "healthy" or not.
Mary Ellen
Much?"
I read it nearly 8 years ago, but I remember thinking that she had a lot
of great stuff to say about the benefits of parents NOT controlling their
kid's eating from the very beginning, the psychology of eating, what is a
"normal" body size/type, etc. Her bottom line is that it is the parent's
job to provide the food and the kid's job to eat... or not eat. Reading
her book also helped me get over some of my own food hang-ups.
Pudginess before a growth spurt is normal for children, with some getting
more pudge than others. Although extreme overweight is a risk factor for
several common American diseases, there are also skinny people having
heart attacks, strokes, or other health problems.
Oh, now I remember the other book I read that dealt with this issue!
Mother Dance, by Harriet Lerner. She is a psychologist. I found the
book hilarious and insightful on the issue of motherhood. One of her
chapters deals with food and she tells of her own experience with
"de-controlling" her sons' eating. Very interesting. At one point her
son ended up sneaking grapes at a buffet bc the parents were boycotting
something that had to do with grape-growing industry and would not allow
grapes in the house. Sneaking food has more to do with control than with
whether the food is "healthy" or not.
Mary Ellen
Sharon Rudd
Sneaking food has more to do
what they superficially appear to be. Anorexia is not
about beauty, but control. Diets and binge diets are
control....purging is about control. If contol was
just about food, food issues would be easier to
control. Just some comments to toss into the air. Now
I'm gonna duck!
Sharon of the Swamp
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> with control than withLots of food issues are control issues rather than
> whether the food is "healthy" or not.
what they superficially appear to be. Anorexia is not
about beauty, but control. Diets and binge diets are
control....purging is about control. If contol was
just about food, food issues would be easier to
control. Just some comments to toss into the air. Now
I'm gonna duck!
Sharon of the Swamp
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Sneaking food does have to do with control. However, an aversion to
sweets might have to do with a physical problem such as a hormonal
imbalance, hypoglycemia, etc.
Sheila
sweets might have to do with a physical problem such as a hormonal
imbalance, hypoglycemia, etc.
Sheila
--- In AlwaysLearning@y..., Sharon Rudd <bearspawprint@y...> wrote:
> Sneaking food has more to do
> > with control than with
> > whether the food is "healthy" or not.
>
> Lots of food issues are control issues rather than
> what they superficially appear to be. Anorexia is not
> about beauty, but control. Diets and binge diets are
> control....purging is about control. If contol was
> just about food, food issues would be easier to
> control. Just some comments to toss into the air. Now
> I'm gonna duck!
>
> Sharon of the Swamp
>
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--- kayb85 <sheran@...> wrote:
all forms. Then once when I was at work and XDH ,
well, anyway, DS (6 at the time) drank a 16 oz coke.
Caffine and sugar....Blam!! He hallucinated, poor
little guy was in a panic when I got home. Yosemite
Sam and dragons going in and out of the screen wire,
he was shivering, though it was a hot summer
night...Poor baby....He still sensibly avoids
artificial stimulants and excessive sugar. No problems
for other 3 DS.
Sharon of the Swamp
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> Sneaking food does have to do with control.Yes...my oldest DS had a overt aversion to sugar in
> However, an aversion to
> sweets might have to do with a physical problem such
> as a hormonal
> imbalance, hypoglycemia, etc.
> Sheila
all forms. Then once when I was at work and XDH ,
well, anyway, DS (6 at the time) drank a 16 oz coke.
Caffine and sugar....Blam!! He hallucinated, poor
little guy was in a panic when I got home. Yosemite
Sam and dragons going in and out of the screen wire,
he was shivering, though it was a hot summer
night...Poor baby....He still sensibly avoids
artificial stimulants and excessive sugar. No problems
for other 3 DS.
Sharon of the Swamp
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In a message dated 02/11/2002 7:03:42 AM Eastern Standard Time,
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stuff, and it makes you wonder what we're doing to our kids.
http://theprefectdrug.blogspot.com/
http://pages.ivillage.com/slenderfungus/
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[email protected] writes:
> Lots of food issues are control issues rather thanHas anyone looked at any of the sites about Anorexia as a lifestyle? Scary
> what they superficially appear to be. Anorexia is not
> about beauty, but control. Diets and binge diets are
> control....purging is about control. If contol was
> just about food, food issues would be easier to
> control. Just some comments to toss into the air. Now
> I'm gonna duck!
>
>
stuff, and it makes you wonder what we're doing to our kids.
http://theprefectdrug.blogspot.com/
http://pages.ivillage.com/slenderfungus/
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WoW!! I've never heard of this before. Thanks for the lead to these interesting sites. Lots of food for thought!
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In a message dated 2/11/02 2:09:40 AM, sheran@... writes:
<< However, an aversion to
sweets might have to do with a physical problem such as a hormonal
imbalance, hypoglycemia, etc. >>
An aversion to sweets wouldn't be a problem, though. I haven't seen anyone
complaining that their kidss don't eat enough sweets. <g>
Sandra
<< However, an aversion to
sweets might have to do with a physical problem such as a hormonal
imbalance, hypoglycemia, etc. >>
An aversion to sweets wouldn't be a problem, though. I haven't seen anyone
complaining that their kidss don't eat enough sweets. <g>
Sandra
Sharon Rudd
> An aversion to sweets wouldn't be a problem, though.My XMIL complained about the my boys. She was sure
> I haven't seen anyone
> complaining that their kidss don't eat enough
> sweets. <g>
>
> Sandra
>
something was wrong with them because they ate enough
of their meals to not want SWEET cake with SWEET SWEET
icing. Or lots of sugar on cereal. Actually, the first
time any of the boys had sugar on cereal was at
Grandma's. David was 4. He told me she spoiled his
breakfast, Hucky liked it, though.
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In a message dated 2/11/2002 12:43:15 PM Eastern Standard Time,
SandraDodd@... writes:
I got ALL the sweet teeth, and my younger son inherited them too!
Kelly
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SandraDodd@... writes:
> An aversion to sweets wouldn't be a problem, though. I haven't seen anyoneI have one son. Husband, too. My father and brother pick at sweets.
> complaining that their kidss don't eat enough sweets. <g>
>
I got ALL the sweet teeth, and my younger son inherited them too!
Kelly
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kbcdlovejo@... writes:
sweet tooth or three. Sorry to be so vague.
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kbcdlovejo@... writes:
> I have one son. Husband, too. My father and brother pick at sweets.Make that: I have ONE SON with an aversion to sweets. The other son has a
> I got ALL the sweet teeth, and my younger son inherited them too!
>
> Kelly
>
sweet tooth or three. Sorry to be so vague.
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