Darcel

I'm sure there are others with a list this large. I wonder what your unschooling day looks like and what you define as unschooling. I know unschooling looks different for every family.

I'm asking because there is another list I belong to and although it states unschooling in the title they talk of a lot of curriculum. This was addressed within this past week, but now the list has slowed way down.

I guess I wonder why there aren't more black unschooling families.
Why aren't there more black homeschooling families in general?
I think if more black families would homeschool their children they wouldn't end up in the jails and on the streets.
I don't think the public school system is the place for our young black youth.
Most of the boys will be labeled as "trouble makers and gangsters" before their teacher even gets a chance to know them.
It's sad and disgusting.
And what's worse is seeing the black parents who leave it all up to the school.
Their children are coming down to our house asking to paint, and play with mud in our backyard. Asking me to work on spelling words with them. How can I say no? I don't want to say no.
I'm not trying to sound high and mighty because I'm still new to alot of this, but education for our young black youth is something that has always been on my heart.

I've started a new blog www.themahoganyway.blogspot.com
I still have a lot of work to do on it. It feels good to have a voice.

Joanna Murphy

I'm not responding to answer your questions, just to say that I really support what you are about. I think you're right about your thoughts on unschooling, but that's just because we think some of the same things! LOL

Joanna
And I don't think you sound "high and mighty." I would say passionate--which is one of the qualities that lights the world!

--- In [email protected], "Darcel" <harmonpanther228@...> wrote:
>
> I'm sure there are others with a list this large. I wonder what your unschooling day looks like and what you define as unschooling. I know unschooling looks different for every family.
>
> I'm asking because there is another list I belong to and although it states unschooling in the title they talk of a lot of curriculum. This was addressed within this past week, but now the list has slowed way down.
>
> I guess I wonder why there aren't more black unschooling families.
> Why aren't there more black homeschooling families in general?
> I think if more black families would homeschool their children they wouldn't end up in the jails and on the streets.
> I don't think the public school system is the place for our young black youth.
> Most of the boys will be labeled as "trouble makers and gangsters" before their teacher even gets a chance to know them.
> It's sad and disgusting.
> And what's worse is seeing the black parents who leave it all up to the school.
> Their children are coming down to our house asking to paint, and play with mud in our backyard. Asking me to work on spelling words with them. How can I say no? I don't want to say no.
> I'm not trying to sound high and mighty because I'm still new to alot of this, but education for our young black youth is something that has always been on my heart.
>
> I've started a new blog www.themahoganyway.blogspot.com
> I still have a lot of work to do on it. It feels good to have a voice.
>

Sandra Dodd

-=-I wonder what your unschooling day looks like and what you define
as unschooling. I know unschooling looks different for every family.-=-

I have a collection of typical days, and if people post some more I'll
collect some of them up too.

http://sandradodd.com/typical

There's a saying that goes around that there are as many different
ways to unschool as there are unschoolers, but I don't believe it.
I've seen too many families fail to pull it off. I do think
unschooling looks different in the details in every family. Holly's
learning a lot working in a flower shop. It doesn't mean anyone else
needs to consider working in a flower shop too. Some families have
boats. Some have horses. Some get to travel a lot. Some have cool
businesses. But what I think is similar is that the parents are
brave and present, when it's working.

It takes courage to say "Yes, I know you don't know if it will work.
Yes, I know it's not normal. Yes, we're going to keep doing it for
now."

-=-I guess I wonder why there aren't more black unschooling families.
Why aren't there more black homeschooling families in general?-=-

Divorce is a big part of it, I think. In the U.S., at least, there
seems to be a current suspicion among African American women that
husbands are unreliable and not to be depended on, and there aren't as
many stay at home moms, I think. There are plenty of unreliable
drug, alcohol and wife-abusing men of any color, but I think there are
different fears and concerns associated with different situations.

When I was first unschooling there was a mom who had a newsletter for
families of color, and she was the go-to person about this topic.
Donna White was her name, in case you find some of her writings out
and about. She ended up divorced. :-/

Where I live there are lots of mixed race families (in New Mexico),
for what that's worth.

One Black family here was unschooling and the dad became more and more
irritable and irritating as he MySpace got older. He's a retired air
force officer (captain, I think) with a PhD (mostly gotten while he
was in the air force, the Master's, anyway). They have three kids,
about the ages of Marty and Holly and then one younger, and we've
known them for a long time. Ten years, maybe. When the kids were
young, things were okay, but the mom and the boy who's most like her
(a throwback to that other conversation about kids who are like a
spouse one's not too happy with) started to balk at the too-many rules
and surprise conditions. The family is fairly granulated this year.
I could go on. But they're separated (not divorced) and the oldest
girl, who did NOT go to school before, is at Stanford.

The second one, the boy who's so much like his mom and who has taken
the brunt of dad-crazy, was compelled to go to The Albuquerque
Academy, the fanciest school in town. He didn't want to go. This is
his senior year, and he's about to graduate, I think. Probably.
His dad made him go because he said Black boys who without a high
school diploma won't be able to get a job or get into college. He
was wrong, but he liked finding out what V. wanted to do and then
doing the opposite. I've watched it for years.

In this past four years V. went from a healthy football-player looking
guy (pudgyish at 13) to a 100 pound hospitalized bulemic. He ran
away, and the only way we could get any messages to him was his mom to
me, me to Holly, and notes left on, where he had claimed to be East
Indian, and later Middle Eastern (not that kids care so much about
profile stuff, but he was denying his heritage as hard as he could).

I hope he'll be okay. He used to have the greatest spark in him, but
he's a shell.

The youngest is probably 14 or so now, and is at Menaul, another
private school, and a boarding school. I don't know whether he'll be
put into the Academy too. He's much more like his dad, though, and
will survive it better.

Unschooling didn't go well in that family because (in my opinion, from
my observation) the dad was a controlling prick who blamed church, and
his mom was a controlling mother he was paying way more attention to
than he was paying to his wife. I've seen him do horrible arbitrary
cruel things to that middle child. Sadistic. Not physical, but
emotionally and mentally just horrible.

My ideas here might be some of those easy border pieces that anyone
could have worked, and nothing that will really help you, but I'm
chucking out what little I have for others to riff on.

I'm still in contact with Kris Williams who used to post on AOL as
RaisinNSun (or something like that spelling). Her kids are all grown
and though the last one went to high school to play basketball (and
also got in some trouble with some of the kids he met there), most of
them were unschooled.


There's this:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AfAmUnschool/
but their .com site is gone (and I need to change that on my /world
page).

Sandra




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Maisha Khalfani

Darcel welcome!!! I know the list that you speak of :) I am no longer on
it.



I guess I wonder why there aren't more black unschooling families.
Why aren't there more black homeschooling families in general?
I think if more black families would homeschool their children they wouldn't
end up in the jails and on the streets.
I don't think the public school system is the place for our young black
youth.
Most of the boys will be labeled as "trouble makers and gangsters" before
their teacher even gets a chance to know them.
It's sad and disgusting.
And what's worse is seeing the black parents who leave it all up to the
school.
Their children are coming down to our house asking to paint, and play with
mud in our backyard. Asking me to work on spelling words with them. How can
I say no? I don't want to say no.
I'm not trying to sound high and mighty because I'm still new to alot of
this, but education for our young black youth is something that has always
been on my heart.



In a nut shell: historically it is very difficult for the African American
community to give up on public schools. Our grandparents and parents fought
so hard for the right to just attend a good one! Sadly we can be slow on
the uptake for so many things. I have wished that there were more AA
unschooling families as well. My daughter (10) is at the point where she is
wishing she saw more black faces. It can be lonely for her sometimes.



I completely agree with all of your statements above. If I had more time I
would be crusading this cause in the African American community. I do not
believe that the public school system will help our children at all.



I’m so glad to have you here!





Namasté

Maisha Khalfani
<http://sevenfreespirits.blogspot.com/> 7 Free Spirits

<http://earthspiritreadings.blogspot.com/> Tarot & Intuitive Readings
"We are not something we are trying to get done so we can get on with
something else."

~Michael Brown



"Change will not come if we wait for some other person or some other time.
We are the ones we've been waiting for. We are the change that we seek."
~Barack Obama





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Maisha Khalfani

There's this:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AfAmUnschool/
but their .com site is gone (and I need to change that on my /world
page).





That’s the group that talks A LOT about curriculum, and not nearly enough
about children having fun and learning through living. :(



Namasté

Maisha Khalfani
<http://sevenfreespirits.blogspot.com/> 7 Free Spirits

<http://earthspiritreadings.blogspot.com/> Tarot & Intuitive Readings
"We are not something we are trying to get done so we can get on with
something else."

~Michael Brown



"Change will not come if we wait for some other person or some other time.
We are the ones we've been waiting for. We are the change that we seek."
~Barack Obama





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Joyce Fetteroll

On May 13, 2009, at 5:37 PM, Darcel wrote:

> I guess I wonder why there aren't more black unschooling families.
> Why aren't there more black homeschooling families in general?

If you're talking about people in stable homes in supportive areas, I
remember a black woman saying that there was cultural pressure not to
homeschool because it was like a slap in the face to those who worked
so hard to get the schools integrated.

Not the answer, but another piece.

And as Sandra suggested, there is a feeling of needing to work
harder, be "better than" to overcome the handicap of being black.
Despite laws, it's still a factor. And it's not helpful to add
another difference (homeschooling) to another difference (being a
minority) if the goal is to find stability in the mainstream.

Someone was here a couple of years ago who was looking for solutions
to some problems, but said she couldn't let go of the tight reins and
the need to push her sons to prepare themselves for college because
of the social pressures in her area that would pull them down and
suck them in. (I'm not remembering her situation clearly but she may
have been divorced and it sounded like her community wasn't stable.)
Most blacks have cultural roots in the south where control of kids is
part of the culture.

In less stable areas there is social pressure for people not to rise
up out of it. Those who rise up are termed traitors to their kind and
heritage. If the "failures" can keep others from succeeding, then
they can create the illusion they aren't failures. Which isn't a
ghetto thing. It happens in schools all the time where the kids who
are failing criticize their friends who aren't. So what happens to
homeschooled teens who are naturally spreading their wings searching
for community beyond their family if the potential friends have given
up and don't want you to do better either?
> I don't think the public school system is the place for our young
> black youth.
>

The schools aren't helping many but they aren't the cause of the
problem. They may be making it worse, but a community of stable
strong families can be armor against a great deal. But the stable
families are surrounded by too many families that aren't stable and
strong. There are too many families who are controlling their kids --
for good reasons, to hold onto them! -- which ends up driving them
away. There isn't any one fix. It's a whole tight ball of intertwined
problems that exacerbate each other.

> I think if more black families would homeschool their children they
> wouldn't end up in the jails and on the streets.

Unschooling especially needs a stable home and a stable community
with a good percentage of friends from stable homes.

There are too many needy unstable families raising needy kids. Needy
girls get pregnant to hold onto the guy or create something that will
love them but really just becomes something needy. Too many powerless
guys seeking ways to be powerful.

It's all about needy people growing up in families and communities
that can't give them what they need and they end up with poor
substitutes and still needy.

It's not a great atmosphere for even a stable family who wants to
homeschool.

Joyce

Sandra Dodd

-=-
That�s the group that talks A LOT about curriculum, and not nearly
enough
about children having fun and learning through living. :(-=-

Oh. So I guess I won't list it on my page. Bummer. Thanks. (or
maybe I'll list it with a disclaimer; better)

Sandra

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Sandra Dodd

-=-In a nut shell: historically it is very difficult for the African
American
community to give up on public schools. Our grandparents and parents
fought
so hard for the right to just attend a good one! Sadly we can be slow on
the uptake for so many things.-=-

With bottle feeding and nursing, the racial division seemed to show.
When bottle feeding was seen as something people did if they could
afford to, it took some people longer to be able to afford it, and by
then there was a movement toward figuring out, again, how to
breastfeed. In a population where breastfeeding had been associated
with poverty, they didn't WANT to do that, and arguments about health
and closeness did not trump the celebration of being able to afford
formula and cute bottles.

In another area of thought, we had a young woman join this list or
maybe Unschooling Discussion years ago, and she was about to move from
Louisiana or Mississippi (maybe someone remembers the story) to New
York. I think she was living with her dad, but was going to be with
the father of her child/children. I also thing some of her relatives
were from the Caribbean. Sorry to be vague. Her questions were
about discipline and spanking, and when people advised other ways to
deal with behavior situations without spanking, she assured us it was
a tradition in her culture that she couldn't break, or some such.
She felt she had no option but to spank, being in her dad's house, or
whatever all.

There's a book and I'm not thinking of the name of it, but it's about
the residual effects of manumission and recovery from slavery within
some families, and spanking seems to be a part of it. Not a healthy
part of it, but partly justified by "my forefathers were whipped
and..." Something about power. Something about reaction. And I
read some of that when my friend Tony was risking his family's peace
and future with his controlling and baffling behavior. It seemed
that from Tony's point of view, the way he was treating his mid-kid V.
was so far beyond spanking or "whippin'" (in the southern with-a-
switch meaning) that he *must* be being a generous, liberal parent,
because he wasn't striking his child.

So if someone feels "his culture" requires strict discipline, and then
there's a fundamentalist Christian overlay reinforcing that, it might
be that unschooling is too far a stretch for this lifetime, for this
generation. Respect for children might be a philosophical luxury
some people can't afford. If a child is "equal" in value to an
adult, where and what then is the value of being an adult? (I see
that in some of my friends and family who white as all getout, and
some who are hispanic/northern New Mexican, and families with combo/
coyote kids [not "kuy otee" in English, but "cohYOteh" in Spanish]).

Unschooling is always a case-by-case deal, and there's rarely any
family for whom it's a simple, easy decision.

Another aspect of why there might not be more unschoolers of color (to
stay with that phrase, thinking of the international makeup of this
list) is that there can be pressure from "a community" to be different
from "the others" (non-Christians, or "white people" or rich people or
intellectuals or hippies or whatever is identified with the "out
there" weird or dangerous anti-them).

I had a co-worker who grew up in the South Valley in Albuquerque
(rougher, more "ethnic" than other parts of town), went to Rio Grande
High (had a rough reputation in those days), said she used to hide
razor blades in her hairdo and get into fights with other girls. She
was African American. (Still is, but we lost contact fifteen years
ago or so. <g>) She was interested in the SCA, and went to a
tournament with me, but because some of her neighbors razzed her about
dressing up and going to hang out with white folks, she was
embarrassed to continue. She saw value in bowing to pressure from
neighbors. She wasn't the only Black person in the club, but there
aren't lots. Those who are there tend to play VERY well, and I think
it might be because they've already sacrificed some peace and "face"
to go and do that, and they're getting some razzing from friends and
relatives, too, to play at the history of Europe (though it's not just
that).

More clues and questions; not "the answer."

Sandra



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Darcel

--- In [email protected], Sandra Dodd <Sandra@...> wrote:

>> There's a saying that goes around that there are as many different ways to unschool as there are unschoolers, but I don't believe it.
I've seen too many families fail to pull it off. I do think
unschooling looks different in the details in every family. >>

That's what I was trying to get at. Even though it looks different, the philosophy is still the same.


Why aren't there more black homeschooling families in general?-=-

> >Divorce is a big part of it, I think. In the U.S., at least, there seems to be a current suspicion among African American women that husbands are unreliable and not to be depended on, and there aren't as many stay at home moms, I think. <<

This is correct. For some reason black women have adopted this idea that they don't need a husband or father for their children. I have yet to meet another black stay at home mom. All I hear about is how they can't wait to get away from their kids.

I am a part of that yahoo group you listed. That is actually the one I was talking about.
Most of the sites that are on the web are not there anymore. So sad and frustrating.

>>In this past four years V. went from a healthy football-player looking
guy (pudgyish at 13) to a 100 pound hospitalized bulemic. He ran away, and the only way we could get any messages to him was his mom to me, me to Holly, and notes left on, where he had claimed to be East Indian, and later Middle Eastern (not that kids care so much about profile stuff, but he was denying his heritage as hard as he could).
I hope he'll be okay. He used to have the greatest spark in him, but
he's a shell.<<

That is so sad. I don't even know what to say. I suppose once you push your children so much there comes a point where they don't or won't return.

Darcel

Darcel

Hey Maisha! You are on one of the ning groups I belong too. I can't remember which one at the moment.

I'm glad you, Joyce and Sandra brought up other points to me. I didn't stop to think about how hard some worked to get their children into the school system.

I hate that there is still this" this is what it means to be black in America thing"

It has to start with the parents but most have the way of thinking mentioned above.

Joyce and Sandra you are correct about there not being stable communities and needy families. Don't get me started on the teen pregnancy.
I think you all are offering some food for thought.

Darcel

Sandra Dodd

-=There are too many needy unstable families raising needy kids. Needy
girls get pregnant to hold onto the guy or create something that will
love them but really just becomes something needy. Too many powerless
guys seeking ways to be powerful-=-

I've seen that in my kids' friends.

Sandra

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Sandra Dodd

Looks like I left out the word "MySpace," though parents with myspace
kids might've filled it in mentally anyway:


-=- He ran away, and the only way we could get any messages to him was
his mom to me, me to Holly, and notes left on **MySpace**, where he
had claimed to be East Indian, and later Middle Eastern (not that kids
care so much about profile stuff, but he was denying his heritage as
hard as he could).-=-

Vincent King. His name is Vincent King. I woke up unwilling to shield
his dad from criticism, or to keep Vincent a secret. He's a good guy
with a lot of potential and a bunch of hurt to overcome. He's a
skateboarder. Last I talked to his mom, he was thinking of moving to
Arizona. In case any of you ever meet him, tell him I like him. (He
knows, but might like to hear it again.)

He ran away last summer and was hidden for six weeks or so, but came
back on the condition he could live with his mom and not his dad, and
that he would finish the last year at the academy. His dad wouldn't
say whether he was going to pay for the whole year or just until the
birthday. He did pay for the whole year, but he's left Vincent
hanging until the last SECOND sometimes, on things like whether
Vincent had to go with him to see the grandparents in North Carolina
or not, and whether Vincent could go to a friend's house or to a game
or whatever. He just wouldn't say yes or no in enough time that
Vincent could make plans, and the fact that it was not only torturous
for Vincent but WAY inconvenient for his friends and hosts and rides
didn't matter to his dad.

He can do computer animation really well, so that might be where he
ends up working (beyond skateboard shops, if he does, I mean).

Sandra

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Jenny C

> In a nut shell: historically it is very difficult for the African
American
> community to give up on public schools. Our grandparents and parents
fought
> so hard for the right to just attend a good one! Sadly we can be slow
on
> the uptake for so many things. I have wished that there were more AA
> unschooling families as well. My daughter (10) is at the point where
she is
> wishing she saw more black faces. It can be lonely for her sometimes.


Or, in the case of some of my own family members, just being an American
is a big deal. One of my relatives is a black man who grew up in
Panama, and his whole life, heard "learn english and get yourself to the
US". That's what he did and wouldn't speak spanish at all to his kids
even though his wife kept asking him to. Now both his kids are in
bilingual immersion schools and speak spanish fluently and talk to their
dad in spanish.

That was a huge thing for that man. Taking his kids out of school would
be waaay to big of a stretch for him. He really wouldn't be able to
handle that kind of thing.

And yet another of my family members is a black woman who just had a
baby and has had to confront the nursing issues, and thankfully, she
likes me and we talk a LOT and she is nursing her sweet little baby.
We've talked about the nursing issue specifically in regards to the AA
community being oddly defensive of bottle feeding. She has a friend who
lives in S. Africa, and it's not the same deal at all, most women nurse
their babies and for longer, so that was a big influencing decision for
her too.

But, for her, to eliminate school, would be a huge stretch. She's
pretty open minded though, and her child is a baby, so who knows?

Those are my personal experiences with people that I know, which seem to
be fairly typical within the larger community. I've met one black
homeschooling family in all the years that I've been homeschooling. Our
kids didn't get along, their older daughter was really mean. However, I
live in Oregon where there really aren't a lot of people of color
anyway. My experience is that I'm equally as likely to not see any
homeschooling families of any other colors. I can honestly say that I
don't know of any hispanic families that are homeschooling, but I bet
there are plenty in CA, or maybe there are some in my area and I just
haven't met any personally.

Chamille's longest time friend comes from a blended family and honestly
the dad, who is a black man, seriously considered homeschooling, while
the mom wouldn't even think of it.

I can think of several blended families that are homeschooling or
unschooling.

carenkh

Before we started unshooling, when Evan was younger, I helped to start a charter school here. The idea was that it was going to be as close to a democratic school as it could be, considering that it's a public school and so would have to follow state curriculum and the students would have to have end-of-grade tests in certain years. (not at all like a democratic school, in other words) One of the hopes for the school was that the classes would use the Positive Discipline approach; they'd hold class meetings, there wouldn't be punishments, etc.

That idea was quickly discarded, though, when the mostly-white group of founders was outvoted by the parents whose kids had been accepted into the school - the majority of whom had African-American and high-needs kids. I couldn't understand how *anyone* would choose to do things differently. Positive Discipline made so much SENSE to me.

I was deeply affected when an African-American mom explained that her son was *already* followed in stores by security, they were already viewed with suspicion because they were black. She believed her son didn't have room to make mistakes, because the consequences for him, as a black male, would be so much worse than for a white privileged kid. She said, "He will be under my thumb until he is grown and gone. I will not lose him in that way. I can't give him the freedom to mess up."

Caren

[email protected]

Hi,
My name is Barbie and I unschool my 9 year old twin boys. I guess you can
call us Hispanic even though we look white. My husband's parents are from
Puerto Rico, and my parents come from Cuba. My parents came to America for
freedom. Little kids in Cuba were taught to honor Fidel Castro and only
him. You were taught in school to be a communist. My parents wanted freedom
for me. It was my Idea to unschool my kids, my hubby loved the idea and
still suports me to this day. My parents also support us in our unschooling
journey. She says thats why she came to this country and she is very proud
of me, for living in FREEDOM. My neighbors on the other hand look at us as
if we are from out of space, maybe we are. LOL
Barbie


On 5/14/09, Jenny C <jenstarc4@...> wrote:
>
>
>
>
> > In a nut shell: historically it is very difficult for the African
> American
> > community to give up on public schools. Our grandparents and parents
> fought
> > so hard for the right to just attend a good one! Sadly we can be slow
> on
> > the uptake for so many things. I have wished that there were more AA
> > unschooling families as well. My daughter (10) is at the point where
> she is
> > wishing she saw more black faces. It can be lonely for her sometimes.
>
> Or, in the case of some of my own family members, just being an American
> is a big deal. One of my relatives is a black man who grew up in
> Panama, and his whole life, heard "learn english and get yourself to the
> US". That's what he did and wouldn't speak spanish at all to his kids
> even though his wife kept asking him to. Now both his kids are in
> bilingual immersion schools and speak spanish fluently and talk to their
> dad in spanish.
>
> That was a huge thing for that man. Taking his kids out of school would
> be waaay to big of a stretch for him. He really wouldn't be able to
> handle that kind of thing.
>
> And yet another of my family members is a black woman who just had a
> baby and has had to confront the nursing issues, and thankfully, she
> likes me and we talk a LOT and she is nursing her sweet little baby.
> We've talked about the nursing issue specifically in regards to the AA
> community being oddly defensive of bottle feeding. She has a friend who
> lives in S. Africa, and it's not the same deal at all, most women nurse
> their babies and for longer, so that was a big influencing decision for
> her too.
>
> But, for her, to eliminate school, would be a huge stretch. She's
> pretty open minded though, and her child is a baby, so who knows?
>
> Those are my personal experiences with people that I know, which seem to
> be fairly typical within the larger community. I've met one black
> homeschooling family in all the years that I've been homeschooling. Our
> kids didn't get along, their older daughter was really mean. However, I
> live in Oregon where there really aren't a lot of people of color
> anyway. My experience is that I'm equally as likely to not see any
> homeschooling families of any other colors. I can honestly say that I
> don't know of any hispanic families that are homeschooling, but I bet
> there are plenty in CA, or maybe there are some in my area and I just
> haven't met any personally.
>
> Chamille's longest time friend comes from a blended family and honestly
> the dad, who is a black man, seriously considered homeschooling, while
> the mom wouldn't even think of it.
>
> I can think of several blended families that are homeschooling or
> unschooling.
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BRIAN POLIKOWSKY

I did meet a couple of Hispanic unchoolers at Live and Learn and I am Brazilian ( not Hispanic - but South American -
Latino)and I have to say that most of the Latinos I talk to do not understand the choice to homeschool.
Kids in Brazil go to half day school since they are a little over a year old.
Its is just what you do.

 
Alex Polikowsky
http://polykow.blogspot.com/

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/unschoolingmn/
 







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