Anxiery about testing
Kasey Frazier
So it is that time of year again here in Washington state for the
annual testing of kids 8yrs and older. Every year I panic for the fear
of the state/school wanting to see how my kids are doing. I know they
do not want to see the results but I always worry. My older son is on
the Autism spec. and he is not doing very well/ up to par for school
standards. I always panic at this. He is not showing any progress in
mathematics or phonics related things. But because of his Autism he
does not do phonics he is a sight reader and so far has learned to
read all on his own, he is almost up to a 3rd grade level. He is 9yrs
so I guess he would be 3rd grade. We do not do the typical
standardized test. We do an abbreviated test, but I always panic for
if he does not show progress something will happen. Like public
school. I guess the reason I worry is because he was in the system
from Pre-k til K and they will want to see how he is doing..
Oh Boy sorry for the ranting..
Thanks
Kasey from WA..
annual testing of kids 8yrs and older. Every year I panic for the fear
of the state/school wanting to see how my kids are doing. I know they
do not want to see the results but I always worry. My older son is on
the Autism spec. and he is not doing very well/ up to par for school
standards. I always panic at this. He is not showing any progress in
mathematics or phonics related things. But because of his Autism he
does not do phonics he is a sight reader and so far has learned to
read all on his own, he is almost up to a 3rd grade level. He is 9yrs
so I guess he would be 3rd grade. We do not do the typical
standardized test. We do an abbreviated test, but I always panic for
if he does not show progress something will happen. Like public
school. I guess the reason I worry is because he was in the system
from Pre-k til K and they will want to see how he is doing..
Oh Boy sorry for the ranting..
Thanks
Kasey from WA..
Judy R
We have some friends whose family are going through a court case here in Ontario, the question being can the children actually be "forced" to go to school - the father wants the kids to be in school, but the mother, who the court has ruled as the parent with custody and so therefore ruled that she could make the initial decision, took the children out of school - but the father is still pursuing the case, with the stated aim that the children could somehow be "forced" to go back to school -
I am thinking this relates to your case perhaps - is it really possible that a state could "force" children who do not want to go to school, to go to school? Also, I would imagine, in Ontario at any rate, that not having to pay for special programs for children on the spectrum, they wouldn't be in a big hurry to put them back in the system - it might be a good "reality" check to see if the state has actually ever "forced" home-schooled children back to school - I could be being naive, but how could it be done?
Judy R. in Ontario
I am thinking this relates to your case perhaps - is it really possible that a state could "force" children who do not want to go to school, to go to school? Also, I would imagine, in Ontario at any rate, that not having to pay for special programs for children on the spectrum, they wouldn't be in a big hurry to put them back in the system - it might be a good "reality" check to see if the state has actually ever "forced" home-schooled children back to school - I could be being naive, but how could it be done?
Judy R. in Ontario
----- Original Message -----
From: Kasey Frazier
To: [email protected]
Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 7:07 PM
Subject: [AlwaysLearning] Anxiery about testing
So it is that time of year again here in Washington state for the
annual testing of kids 8yrs and older. Every year I panic for the fear
of the state/school wanting to see how my kids are doing. I know they
do not want to see the results but I always worry. My older son is on
the Autism spec. and he is not doing very well/ up to par for school
standards. I always panic at this. He is not showing any progress in
mathematics or phonics related things. But because of his Autism he
does not do phonics he is a sight reader and so far has learned to
read all on his own, he is almost up to a 3rd grade level. He is 9yrs
so I guess he would be 3rd grade. We do not do the typical
standardized test. We do an abbreviated test, but I always panic for
if he does not show progress something will happen. Like public
school. I guess the reason I worry is because he was in the system
from Pre-k til K and they will want to see how he is doing..
Oh Boy sorry for the ranting..
Thanks
Kasey from WA..
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Sandra Dodd
-=-We have some friends whose family are going through a court case
here in Ontario, the question being can the children actually be
"forced" to go to school - the father wants the kids to be in school,
but the mother, who the court has ruled as the parent with custody and
so therefore ruled that she could make the initial decision, took the
children out of school - but the father is still pursuing the case,
with the stated aim that the children could somehow be "forced" to go
back to school - -=-
It's not "forced" when it's a court decision. The mother wasn't
"forced" to have custody, so putting that word in quotation marks puts
emphasis in the wrong place, I think.
Homeschooling is a luxury. It's not the default. Government
education is the default. Private schools are an allowable option.
Homeschooling is a newer option, but it's no one's unchallengeable
right.
-=-I am thinking this relates to your case perhaps - is it really
possible that a state could "force" children who do not want to go to
school, to go to school?=-
Absolutely. Easily. It's called compulsory attendance, in most
places. If that's what the state provides and requires, anything else
is an exemption, and exemptions can be revoked.
-=-Also, I would imagine, in Ontario at any rate, that not having to
pay for special programs for children on the spectrum, they wouldn't
be in a big hurry to put them back in the system -=-
They "Pay" for those programs by giving the money to employees in the
system. It doesn't go outside the educational system (except to their
suppliers of books, furniture, equipment).
-=-- it might be a good "reality" check to see if the state has
actually ever "forced" home-schooled children back to school - I could
be being naive, but how could it be done?-=-
The way it is done, frequently and regularly, is that a judge orders
that the children have to attend school.
That's all.
Divorce is the biggest danger to any child's ability to unschool that
there can be.
People need to get along with their spouses or partners or ex-es if
they want unschooling in their lives at all, in any way.
http://sandradodd.com/divorce
http://sandradodd.com/spouses
Sandra
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here in Ontario, the question being can the children actually be
"forced" to go to school - the father wants the kids to be in school,
but the mother, who the court has ruled as the parent with custody and
so therefore ruled that she could make the initial decision, took the
children out of school - but the father is still pursuing the case,
with the stated aim that the children could somehow be "forced" to go
back to school - -=-
It's not "forced" when it's a court decision. The mother wasn't
"forced" to have custody, so putting that word in quotation marks puts
emphasis in the wrong place, I think.
Homeschooling is a luxury. It's not the default. Government
education is the default. Private schools are an allowable option.
Homeschooling is a newer option, but it's no one's unchallengeable
right.
-=-I am thinking this relates to your case perhaps - is it really
possible that a state could "force" children who do not want to go to
school, to go to school?=-
Absolutely. Easily. It's called compulsory attendance, in most
places. If that's what the state provides and requires, anything else
is an exemption, and exemptions can be revoked.
-=-Also, I would imagine, in Ontario at any rate, that not having to
pay for special programs for children on the spectrum, they wouldn't
be in a big hurry to put them back in the system -=-
They "Pay" for those programs by giving the money to employees in the
system. It doesn't go outside the educational system (except to their
suppliers of books, furniture, equipment).
-=-- it might be a good "reality" check to see if the state has
actually ever "forced" home-schooled children back to school - I could
be being naive, but how could it be done?-=-
The way it is done, frequently and regularly, is that a judge orders
that the children have to attend school.
That's all.
Divorce is the biggest danger to any child's ability to unschool that
there can be.
People need to get along with their spouses or partners or ex-es if
they want unschooling in their lives at all, in any way.
http://sandradodd.com/divorce
http://sandradodd.com/spouses
Sandra
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Renee M
Kasey, have you considered skipping the test and do an non-testing evaluation instead? You don't have to do a standardized test in WA if you do an eval with a licensed teacher. You might try Patrice Torres who specifically does non-testing evals for unschoolers including for special needs students. (torresbrown.com).
We have not used her (yet) since our kids are under 8, but someone on EU recommended her and you can look through the archives for that info if you wanted to talk to someone who has actually used her services.
Hang in there and try not to stress. :)
-Renee
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We have not used her (yet) since our kids are under 8, but someone on EU recommended her and you can look through the archives for that info if you wanted to talk to someone who has actually used her services.
Hang in there and try not to stress. :)
-Renee
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Jenny C
> So it is that time of year again here in Washington state for theStop worrying! Breathe!
> annual testing of kids 8yrs and older. Every year I panic for the fear
> of the state/school wanting to see how my kids are doing. I know they
> do not want to see the results but I always worry.
The state of Washington doesn't require you to turn in any tests, it
only states that you must take them and keep them for your own private
records. Nobody ever has to see them ever! You don't even have to see
the scores, so stop looking at them. When the scores arrive in the
mail, plop it into a folder marked homeschooling and file it away for
"just in case" you ever put your kids in school, which is the only time
a school official would ever want to see those test scores, and
sometimes not even then.
I would encourage everyone who doesn't know, to get to know what their
local laws are. Ignorance isn't really always bliss!
guideforthree
I don't know about Washington, but I can tell you what I know about
Georgia and SC, both as a former teacher and as an unschooling mother
of three fabulous children - one of which was diagnosed with
Aspergers 3 years ago.
Georgia tests every three years starting with 3rd grade. Luckily we
avoided all that testing by moving to SC. However, even if we were
still in Georgia, I wouldn't worry about the testing. Georgia law
states that kids have to be tested, but no where in the law does it
say those scores have to be shown to anyone. Even if the school
board comes to my door asking for them, I don't have to show them.
The law is on my side in this one. So step one in battling this fear
is to know your state's law. If Washington is like Georgia, then
your son can take that test and you can file the results away in the
unopened envelope, and that will be the absolute end of it.
The other thing I know about Georgia and SC (and is probably true for
many other states), is that the schools are overcrowded and the
special ed department is stretched thin. Regular classroom teachers
dread mainstreamed special ed students, due to the extra paperwork
involved as well as the classroom management and instructional
modification issues. In other words, they can't see past my son's
label into what a truly fabulous kid he is, and they don't really
want him in their schools.
I have come to the conclusion that unless there are custody issues,
or some freak neighbor decides to file a report with DFACS, DSS, CPS
or whatever a particular state calls it, the state and the school
board are pretty much going to stay out of my business. They are way
to busy, and I am just one little person who is too insignificant to
even show up on their radar (even if my son was previously in the
system).
Which leads me to a question: Are you concerned that the school
system might make you send your kids to school, or are you concerned
that your son is not making as much progress as you think he should
be making?
I've already addressed the former. As for the latter, you have a
special boy. Less than 1/3 of the children on the autism spectrum
can speak, and that figure includes high functioning autism and
Asperger's. Every day, I am thankful that Trevor learned to
communicate, even if the right words don't always come at the right
time for him. There is no deadline for him to learn what he needs to
learn. I've learned to appreciate the little things that I take for
granted in my other two children. Like the first time Trevor told a
lie - I could have jumped for joy (actually my dh and I both did a
little victory dance once Trevor left the room). Or when he used a
slang expression in the correct context. My point is, I don't
measure Trevor's progress in terms of math and reading, or those
other things on the standardized tests. Instead, I measure his
progress just like I did when he was a baby, in terms of what he can
do today that he couldn't do yesterday, and I always try to keep in
mind that some progress can't be seen or measured at all.
Tina
--- In [email protected], "Kasey Frazier"
<Fraziermk@...> wrote:
Georgia and SC, both as a former teacher and as an unschooling mother
of three fabulous children - one of which was diagnosed with
Aspergers 3 years ago.
Georgia tests every three years starting with 3rd grade. Luckily we
avoided all that testing by moving to SC. However, even if we were
still in Georgia, I wouldn't worry about the testing. Georgia law
states that kids have to be tested, but no where in the law does it
say those scores have to be shown to anyone. Even if the school
board comes to my door asking for them, I don't have to show them.
The law is on my side in this one. So step one in battling this fear
is to know your state's law. If Washington is like Georgia, then
your son can take that test and you can file the results away in the
unopened envelope, and that will be the absolute end of it.
The other thing I know about Georgia and SC (and is probably true for
many other states), is that the schools are overcrowded and the
special ed department is stretched thin. Regular classroom teachers
dread mainstreamed special ed students, due to the extra paperwork
involved as well as the classroom management and instructional
modification issues. In other words, they can't see past my son's
label into what a truly fabulous kid he is, and they don't really
want him in their schools.
I have come to the conclusion that unless there are custody issues,
or some freak neighbor decides to file a report with DFACS, DSS, CPS
or whatever a particular state calls it, the state and the school
board are pretty much going to stay out of my business. They are way
to busy, and I am just one little person who is too insignificant to
even show up on their radar (even if my son was previously in the
system).
Which leads me to a question: Are you concerned that the school
system might make you send your kids to school, or are you concerned
that your son is not making as much progress as you think he should
be making?
I've already addressed the former. As for the latter, you have a
special boy. Less than 1/3 of the children on the autism spectrum
can speak, and that figure includes high functioning autism and
Asperger's. Every day, I am thankful that Trevor learned to
communicate, even if the right words don't always come at the right
time for him. There is no deadline for him to learn what he needs to
learn. I've learned to appreciate the little things that I take for
granted in my other two children. Like the first time Trevor told a
lie - I could have jumped for joy (actually my dh and I both did a
little victory dance once Trevor left the room). Or when he used a
slang expression in the correct context. My point is, I don't
measure Trevor's progress in terms of math and reading, or those
other things on the standardized tests. Instead, I measure his
progress just like I did when he was a baby, in terms of what he can
do today that he couldn't do yesterday, and I always try to keep in
mind that some progress can't be seen or measured at all.
Tina
--- In [email protected], "Kasey Frazier"
<Fraziermk@...> wrote:
>fear
> So it is that time of year again here in Washington state for the
> annual testing of kids 8yrs and older. Every year I panic for the
> of the state/school wanting to see how my kids are doing. I knowthey
> do not want to see the results but I always worry. My older son ison
> the Autism spec. and he is not doing very well/ up to par for school9yrs
> standards. I always panic at this. He is not showing any progress in
> mathematics or phonics related things. But because of his Autism he
> does not do phonics he is a sight reader and so far has learned to
> read all on his own, he is almost up to a 3rd grade level. He is
> so I guess he would be 3rd grade. We do not do the typical
> standardized test. We do an abbreviated test, but I always panic for
> if he does not show progress something will happen. Like public
> school. I guess the reason I worry is because he was in the system
> from Pre-k til K and they will want to see how he is doing..
> Oh Boy sorry for the ranting..
> Thanks
> Kasey from WA..
>
Julie Anderson
This is what my good friend is going thru right now... but it's a divorce case..so maybe the state can force them into school, since its also a custody issue? The dad is very adamant, wants the kids tested and put in public school. Its soooo stressful for the kids, as they are having to study like crazy to get ready for testing the end of next month. The lawyer claims that the outcome depends on how well they do on the test, if they must go to school or not (even tho testing is not a requirement in our state) I can't believe how their dad doesn't give a hoot about what his kids want!!! My friend, the mom, is about to go nuts trying to get thru this. I've tried to find information for her, to show her lawyer about testing, but he just dismisses it.......Julie
Judy R. in Ontario<<<
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>>>We have some friends whose family are going through a court case here in Ontario, the question being can the children actually be "forced" to go to school - the father wants the kids to be in school, but the mother, who the court has ruled as the parent with custody and so therefore ruled that she could make the initial decision, took the children out of school - but the father is still pursuing the case, with the stated aim that the children could somehow be "forced" to go back to school -I am thinking this relates to your case perhaps - is it really possible that a state could "force" children who do not want to go to school, to go to school? Also, I would imagine, in Ontario at any rate, that not having to pay for special programs for children on the spectrum, they wouldn't be in a big hurry to put them back in the system - it might be a good "reality" check to see if the state has actually ever "forced" home-schooled children back to school - I could be being naive, but how could it be done?
Judy R. in Ontario<<<
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Judy R
Are there people out there who have had their kids forced back to school or for whom there has been dreaded complications, like getting sent to jail because the kids refuse to go to school? In my friend's case, the kids are teenagers, I don't see how the government can physically force them to go to school - are they going to bodily pick them up, carry them to school and tie them to their desks? Can the mom go to jail (she is willing, apparently). Does this really happen in this day and age? I know that this is what the law in some states seems to call for, but does it actually happen?
Their dad is the same, he doesn't listen to what they are saying about how unhappy they are in school or that they have an alternate plan in place (just to pacify him, otherwise they wouldn't do any plan - they are enrolled in the Clonlara home-based course, which is fairly unschooling-friendly, but requires paperwork)...they are hoping that the court will rule that since they have a plan in place, he doesn't actually have anything to base his objections on...and they will be getting a divorce, especially after this...
Their dad is the same, he doesn't listen to what they are saying about how unhappy they are in school or that they have an alternate plan in place (just to pacify him, otherwise they wouldn't do any plan - they are enrolled in the Clonlara home-based course, which is fairly unschooling-friendly, but requires paperwork)...they are hoping that the court will rule that since they have a plan in place, he doesn't actually have anything to base his objections on...and they will be getting a divorce, especially after this...
----- Original Message -----
From: Julie Anderson
To: [email protected]
Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 8:42 AM
Subject: [AlwaysLearning] Re: Anxiery about testing
This is what my good friend is going thru right now... but it's a divorce case..so maybe the state can force them into school, since its also a custody issue? The dad is very adamant, wants the kids tested and put in public school. Its soooo stressful for the kids, as they are having to study like crazy to get ready for testing the end of next month. The lawyer claims that the outcome depends on how well they do on the test, if they must go to school or not (even tho testing is not a requirement in our state) I can't believe how their dad doesn't give a hoot about what his kids want!!! My friend, the mom, is about to go nuts trying to get thru this. I've tried to find information for her, to show her lawyer about testing, but he just dismisses it.......Julie
>>>We have some friends whose family are going through a court case here in Ontario, the question being can the children actually be "forced" to go to school - the father wants the kids to be in school, but the mother, who the court has ruled as the parent with custody and so therefore ruled that she could make the initial decision, took the children out of school - but the father is still pursuing the case, with the stated aim that the children could somehow be "forced" to go back to school -
I am thinking this relates to your case perhaps - is it really possible that a state could "force" children who do not want to go to school, to go to school? Also, I would imagine, in Ontario at any rate, that not having to pay for special programs for children on the spectrum, they wouldn't be in a big hurry to put them back in the system - it might be a good "reality" check to see if the state has actually ever "forced" home-schooled children back to school - I could be being naive, but how could it be done?
Judy R. in Ontario<<<
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k
>>>> Are there people out there who have had their kids forced back to school or for whom there has been dreaded complications, like getting sent to jail because the kids refuse to go to school? In my friend's case, the kids are teenagers, I don't see how the government can physically force them to go to school - are they going to bodily pick them up, carry them to school and tie them to their desks? Can the mom go to jail (she is willing, apparently). Does this really happen in this day and age? I know that this is what the law in some states seems to call for, but does it actually happen? <<<<Those are a lot of questions it seems would take some research to find
out. Maybe start here (about a 1/3 the way down the page) in a
section called Legalities followed by several links. You might find
some info to answer some questions there.
~Katherine
Sandra Dodd
-=- I can't believe how their dad doesn't give a hoot about what his
kids want!!! My friend, the mom, is about to go nuts trying to get
thru this. I've tried to find information for her, to show her lawyer
about testing, but he just dismisses it...=-
Is there any chance your friend the mom would be willing to stay with
her husband long enough for the kids to continue to homeschool? When
unschoolers get divorced it's way worse than normal divorce, and
normal divorces are already horrible.
Sandra
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kids want!!! My friend, the mom, is about to go nuts trying to get
thru this. I've tried to find information for her, to show her lawyer
about testing, but he just dismisses it...=-
Is there any chance your friend the mom would be willing to stay with
her husband long enough for the kids to continue to homeschool? When
unschoolers get divorced it's way worse than normal divorce, and
normal divorces are already horrible.
Sandra
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k
>>>> Is there any chance your friend the mom would be willing to stay withher husband long enough for the kids to continue to homeschool? When
unschoolers get divorced it's way worse than normal divorce, and
normal divorces are already horrible. <<<<
Yes. It has taken something on the order of 7 months for me and Brian
to have a really decent conversation about our relationship. Really
rough going but bit by bit by bit, it has been possible for us to make
peace and maybe someday we can even be happy together. I hope so. We
divorced but got back together. Long story. Worth the effort in my
opinion.
Sometimes it seems like the other "side," the person over there,
doesn't have a point or a good reason for disagreeing with a spouse.
Even if they don't, I think it's very worth the effort to try to make
things work out to the best of your ability and to gain in the ability
to do that. Especially if unschooling is very dear to you and really
matters to you and the kids. If the kids are teens and don't have
long to go, it would probably make their lives much easier, not just
in terms of immediate resources, but in the long run... in their own
relationship with their dad and men in general.
~Katherine
Pam Sorooshian
I'm trying to make a list of things that parents and teachers think must
be taught to children.
All ages - from infancy through young adulthood -
For example, they think children must be taught to say please and thank
you, they must be taught to tie their shoes, they must be taught the
alphabet, they must be taught to read, they must be taught to eat
healthy foods, they must be taught to ...... whatever you think of
that fills in that blank will be helpful to me.
-pam
be taught to children.
All ages - from infancy through young adulthood -
For example, they think children must be taught to say please and thank
you, they must be taught to tie their shoes, they must be taught the
alphabet, they must be taught to read, they must be taught to eat
healthy foods, they must be taught to ...... whatever you think of
that fills in that blank will be helpful to me.
-pam
Jenny C
> I'm trying to make a list of things that parents and teachers thinkmust
> be taught to children.They must be taught to get along with others. They must be taught to
>
> All ages - from infancy through young adulthood -
get along with a diverse section of people.
They must be taught to follow through with things, perserverance,
commitment, etc.
They must be taught respect.
Brad Holcomb
They must be taught to share.
Lyla Wolfenstein
...to greet and respond to adults or others when greeted
...to say i'm sorry
...to "share"
...to say i'm sorry
...to "share"
----- Original Message -----
From: Pam Sorooshian
To: [email protected]
Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 1:17 PM
Subject: [AlwaysLearning] what do people think needs to be taught?
I'm trying to make a list of things that parents and teachers think must
be taught to children.
All ages - from infancy through young adulthood -
For example, they think children must be taught to say please and thank
you, they must be taught to tie their shoes, they must be taught the
alphabet, they must be taught to read, they must be taught to eat
healthy foods, they must be taught to ...... whatever you think of
that fills in that blank will be helpful to me.
-pam
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Julie Anderson
My friend, did not want the divorce at all, despite the bad
marriage, she was willing to stick it out for the kids. She begged
him to go to counselling with her..but he refused. She's pretty sure
he's been seeing another woman. Their marriage has been rocky for a
long time. The kids do not want to go to school! The dad was ok with
hm'schooling at first, but then he got to the point where he wasn't
interested in the family anymore, and not home alot. They've been
married about 18 yrs. My daughter and her kids are best friends too.
We don't get to hang out so much now, since they're attempting to
study for this dang test.... sigh... frustrating, wish I could wave
my magic wand and fix it all. I'm there when she needs to talk or
have a good cry...and I try to make it as much fun as I can, when
her kids are at my house.
Julie
--- In [email protected], Sandra Dodd <Sandra@...>
wrote:
marriage, she was willing to stick it out for the kids. She begged
him to go to counselling with her..but he refused. She's pretty sure
he's been seeing another woman. Their marriage has been rocky for a
long time. The kids do not want to go to school! The dad was ok with
hm'schooling at first, but then he got to the point where he wasn't
interested in the family anymore, and not home alot. They've been
married about 18 yrs. My daughter and her kids are best friends too.
We don't get to hang out so much now, since they're attempting to
study for this dang test.... sigh... frustrating, wish I could wave
my magic wand and fix it all. I'm there when she needs to talk or
have a good cry...and I try to make it as much fun as I can, when
her kids are at my house.
Julie
--- In [email protected], Sandra Dodd <Sandra@...>
wrote:
>his
> -=- I can't believe how their dad doesn't give a hoot about what
> kids want!!! My friend, the mom, is about to go nuts trying toget
> thru this. I've tried to find information for her, to show herlawyer
> about testing, but he just dismisses it...=-with
>
> Is there any chance your friend the mom would be willing to stay
> her husband long enough for the kids to continue to homeschool?When
> unschoolers get divorced it's way worse than normal divorce, and
> normal divorces are already horrible.
>
> Sandra
>
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>
Verna
--- In [email protected], Pam Sorooshian
<pamsoroosh@...> wrote:
a wierd one.
how to walk, colors, cut with scissors, float and swim.
<pamsoroosh@...> wrote:
>must
> I'm trying to make a list of things that parents and teachers think
> be taught to children.thank
>
> All ages - from infancy through young adulthood -
>
> For example, they think children must be taught to say please and
> you, they must be taught to tie their shoes, they must be taughtthe
> alphabet, they must be taught to read, they must be taught to eatof
> healthy foods, they must be taught to ...... whatever you think
> that fills in that blank will be helpful to me.what you use to smell, see and hear with? i always found that to be
>
> -pam
>
a wierd one.
how to walk, colors, cut with scissors, float and swim.
Pam Sorooshian
On 2/25/2009 1:48 PM, Verna wrote:
Keep 'em comin'! Thanks so much.
-pam
> what you use to smell, see and hear with? i always found that to beHA- yes. The unit on "The Five Senses."
> a wierd one.
>
>
Keep 'em comin'! Thanks so much.
-pam
Lyla Wolfenstein
...how to sit
...how to stand in line
...how to stand in line
----- Original Message -----
From: Pam Sorooshian
To: [email protected]
Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 1:57 PM
Subject: Re: [AlwaysLearning] Re: what do people think needs to be taught?
On 2/25/2009 1:48 PM, Verna wrote:
> what you use to smell, see and hear with? i always found that to be
> a wierd one.
>
>
HA- yes. The unit on "The Five Senses."
Keep 'em comin'! Thanks so much.
-pam
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Verna
--- In [email protected], Pam Sorooshian <pamsoroosh@...>
wrote:
wrote:
>animal sounds
> On 2/25/2009 1:48 PM, Verna wrote:
> > what you use to smell, see and hear with? i always found that to be
> > a wierd one.
> >
> >
>
> HA- yes. The unit on "The Five Senses."
>
> Keep 'em comin'! Thanks so much.
>
> -pam
>
Joanna Murphy
...how to wait their turn
...how to raise their hands
..."basic" number facts
...how to write, and of course, read
...state capitals
Joanna
...how to raise their hands
..."basic" number facts
...how to write, and of course, read
...state capitals
Joanna
k
To go along with sharing, there's sportsmanship and citizenship.
Socialization. ;)
Socialization. ;)
Schuyler
State capitals only count in the U.S. though. In the UK the order of the kings and queens replaces it I imagine. Although they leave out the early kings/chieftains.
Schuyler
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From: Joanna Murphy <ridingmom@...>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Wednesday, 25 February, 2009 10:14:00 PM
Subject: [AlwaysLearning] Re: what do people think needs to be taught?
...how to wait their turn
...how to raise their hands
..."basic" number facts
...how to write, and of course, read
...state capitals
Joanna
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Schuyler
________________________________
From: Joanna Murphy <ridingmom@...>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Wednesday, 25 February, 2009 10:14:00 PM
Subject: [AlwaysLearning] Re: what do people think needs to be taught?
...how to wait their turn
...how to raise their hands
..."basic" number facts
...how to write, and of course, read
...state capitals
Joanna
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Robin Bentley
On Feb 25, 2009, at 1:17 PM, Pam Sorooshian wrote:
...remember important historical dates.
...deal with bullies (only school teaches you that, according to some
people I know).
...to accept that life isn't fair.
...realize there are consequences (punishments or the threat of
punishment) when one doesn't "behave".
Robin B.
>...do multiplication tables.
> they must be taught to ......
>
...remember important historical dates.
...deal with bullies (only school teaches you that, according to some
people I know).
...to accept that life isn't fair.
...realize there are consequences (punishments or the threat of
punishment) when one doesn't "behave".
Robin B.
Robyn L. Coburn
To share
To keep commitments
To be nice/generous/charitable
To finish what they start
To stand in line
To put up their hands/wait to be called on
To sit still
To be patient
To do as they are told - obedience
To think critically (ironic ain't it!)
How to cross the road
Penmanship
To draw or paint (if they show any talent in art)
To sing
To swim
Good citizenship
That things cost money
Robyn L. Coburn
www.Iggyjingles.etsy.com
www.iggyjingles.blogspot.com
www.allthingsdoll.blogspot.com
To keep commitments
To be nice/generous/charitable
To finish what they start
To stand in line
To put up their hands/wait to be called on
To sit still
To be patient
To do as they are told - obedience
To think critically (ironic ain't it!)
How to cross the road
Penmanship
To draw or paint (if they show any talent in art)
To sing
To swim
Good citizenship
That things cost money
Robyn L. Coburn
www.Iggyjingles.etsy.com
www.iggyjingles.blogspot.com
www.allthingsdoll.blogspot.com
k
>>>> ...deal with bullies (only school teaches you that, according to somepeople I know). <<<<
It was Wear Pink Day today. To take a stand against bullying.
~Katherine
Sandra Dodd
to raise their hands to speak or ask to go to the bathroom
to sit still
to listen
to pay attention
to think
to read carefully
to skim
to color in the lines
to use the toilet
Things they think kids must be taught:
vocabulary
spelling
posture
respect
work ethic
to sit still
to listen
to pay attention
to think
to read carefully
to skim
to color in the lines
to use the toilet
Things they think kids must be taught:
vocabulary
spelling
posture
respect
work ethic
BRIAN POLIKOWSKY
-respect authority
- pick up after youself
-obey parents and elders
-
Alex Polikowsky
http://polykow.blogspot.com/
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/unschoolingmn/
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- pick up after youself
-obey parents and elders
-
Alex Polikowsky
http://polykow.blogspot.com/
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/unschoolingmn/
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k
To be productive
Pam Sorooshian
penmanship ----
That reminded me ... only 15 percent of students who took the recent SAT
college entrance exams wrote their essays in cursive. The rest printed.
-pam
That reminded me ... only 15 percent of students who took the recent SAT
college entrance exams wrote their essays in cursive. The rest printed.
-pam