Katheryn

Maybe have the page title more like a question.

Is it ok to not Finish What You Started?

What Does Follow Through Really Mean?

Can Kids Who Quit Karate Learn to Follow Through?

Or

Important Life Skill, Knowing When to Quit!

Or actually I like your title Sandra, Trying Something Without Obligation to Live There!

Kathy


----- Original Message -----
From: Sandra Dodd
To: [email protected]
Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 12:30 PM
Subject: [AlwaysLearning] Trying something without obligation to live there


Sometimes it seems like I have a collection for everything, but it has
been pointed out to me this morning that there's not a page on
quitting--the idea of trying something and quitting it.

It has been discussed, regarding music lessons, martial arts, dance
classes, art classes, scouts. Pet care.

I don't want to call the page "quitting," but I'd like to have a place
for people to read when they're thinking about "follow-through" and
"finish what you start" and those things.

Maybe there are already such sites on the internet? I haven't looked.

What is the essence of all that? Choice? "Too young to make a
binding contract"?

Sandra

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Sandra Dodd

Sometimes it seems like I have a collection for everything, but it has
been pointed out to me this morning that there's not a page on
quitting--the idea of trying something and quitting it.

It has been discussed, regarding music lessons, martial arts, dance
classes, art classes, scouts. Pet care.



I don't want to call the page "quitting," but I'd like to have a place
for people to read when they're thinking about "follow-through" and
"finish what you start" and those things.

Maybe there are already such sites on the internet? I haven't looked.

What is the essence of all that? Choice? "Too young to make a
binding contract"?

Sandra

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Lyla Wolfenstein

joyce's site has some stuff about "quitting"... but you probably already know that! :)



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Sandra Dodd

-=-joyce's site has some stuff about "quitting"... but you probably
already know that! :)-=-

You were supposed to bring a link.

I've been up for HOURS and still haven't gotten to the end of my e-
mail. <g>

Fine.... I'll go look.

Sandra

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Lyla Wolfenstein

sorry!! you probably found it already, but here it is just in case:

http://joyfullyrejoycing.com/commitments%20obligation%20responsi/quitting.html

http://joyfullyrejoycing.com/commitments%20obligation%20responsi/commitments.html

http://joyfullyrejoycing.com/commitments%20obligation%20responsi/honoringobligations.html

----- Original Message -----
From: Sandra Dodd
To: [email protected]
Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 12:23 PM
Subject: Re: [AlwaysLearning] Trying something without obligation to live there


-=-joyce's site has some stuff about "quitting"... but you probably
already know that! :)-=-

You were supposed to bring a link.

I've been up for HOURS and still haven't gotten to the end of my e-
mail. <g>

Fine.... I'll go look.

Sandra

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Lyla Wolfenstein

ah cross post - sorry!


----- Original Message -----
From: Sandra Dodd
To: [email protected]
Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 12:27 PM
Subject: Re: [AlwaysLearning] Trying something without obligation to live there


http://joyfullyrejoycing.com/commitments%20obligation%20responsi/quitting.html

Lower right of Joyce's page.
Commitments, obligations, responsibilities

There are several.

Thanks, Lyla!

Sandra



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Sandra Dodd

http://sandradodd.com/lazy

I found that on my page! (Guess who wrote it? Joyce!)

It's really good, too.

Sandra

Lyla Wolfenstein

do you (or anyone) remember where i can find the page that talks about treating kids (teens?) as "guests" in the home...i think it's about chores, primarily....but i can't seem to find it anywhere...


----- Original Message -----
From: Sandra Dodd
To: [email protected]
Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 12:41 PM
Subject: Re: [AlwaysLearning] Trying something without obligation to live there


http://sandradodd.com/lazy

I found that on my page! (Guess who wrote it? Joyce!)

It's really good, too.

Sandra



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Sandra Dodd

-=do you (or anyone) remember where i can find the page that talks
about treating kids (teens?) as "guests" in the home...i think it's
about chores, primarily....but i can't seem to find it anywhere...-=-

It's been mentioned (by me, usually, I think) in discussions, but I
don't know if it has a home where the internet buffalo roam...

Sandra

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Lyla Wolfenstein

ah, ok, maybe it was just a good post i remember. which i could find it! will search around...

thanks.

Lyla


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Sandra Dodd

-=-ah, ok, maybe it was just a good post i remember. which i could
find it! will search around...=-

Sometimes Pam and I have riffed on the idea that if you had a guest
from a very foreign culture you'd advise him on what's expected and
what he can expect, and people should do that for their kids.
And sometimes it's been about a child having come into our families
without an option on his part, so we should be courteous to him.

(Then some people would say "I think a soul chooses his situation,"
and then some of us would say "that can justify child abuse," and then
it would devolve into a dusty scuffle of "OH YEAH!?")

Look for some of those words, maybe. <g>

Sandra

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diana jenner

I think you should call it Quit, as it will be incredibly easy to find!!
and that is the word people are fixating on when they're looking for help :)

And, there's the opening to another language discussion, I think a bit of
the stigma should be worn off that word!
~diana :)
xoxoxoxo
hannahbearski.blogspot.com
hannahsashes.blogspot.com
dianas365.blogspot.com

(Then some people would say "I think a soul chooses his situation,"
> and then some of us would say "that can justify child abuse," and then
> it would devolve into a dusty scuffle of "OH YEAH!?")
> .
>
>
>

we haven't had one of these in a while, tee hee :D


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jenbgosh

I think you should call it quitting too. Quitting is not always a bad
thing after all. Would you want your husband to keep smoking so he
can say he's not a quitter?

Jennie

--- In [email protected], diana jenner <hahamommy@...> wrote:
>
> I think you should call it Quit, as it will be incredibly easy to find!!
> and that is the word people are fixating on when they're looking for
help :)
>
> And, there's the opening to another language discussion, I think a
bit of

Brad Holcomb

>
> I think you should call it quitting too. Quitting is not always a bad
> thing after all. Would you want your husband to keep smoking so he
> can say he's not a quitter?
>


I think quitting can actually be a very fine thing. I adopted a Quitter
attitude when I went to nursing school. As in, I'm here in school today
because I choose to be here today. Tomorrow I might choose to do something
completely different with my life. I didn't feel trapped into school due to
family pressure, financial investment, or any other reason. In a class of
115 people, I think I was one of the few that actually felt able to quit, at
any time for any reason.

It was part of learning my way in the world (I was 22, 23 at the time--wow,
20 years ago), and it kept nursing school pretty low-stress for me. It
drove the school administration bonkers, though, because they had less
control over me. They couldn't use expulsion as a potential punishment.
They threatened, twice, to kick me out. I was called before the Board to
answer charges of insubordination...I forget the exact details. I told them
that I thought the charges were silly, gave a quick rundown of my
interpretation of the situation in question, told them my lawyer would be in
contact with them the next day if they booted me, and left the boardroom.
It was a bluff since I didn't actually have a lawyer (though I could get
one). I just thought they were bluffing, too. And they were, so it worked.
They did put me on probation of some kind...I remember signing a contract
saying I would be kicked out for tardiness and several other minor offenses,
none of which I ever committed.

I also ignored their grades. Every 8 weeks we had a 1-on-1 evaluation
session with our lead instructor, and she gave us 2 grades: clinical and
didactic. The grades were written on post-it notes and handed to us
ceremonially across the table. I always crumpled mine and dropped it in the
trash without even glancing at it. First couple times they were aghast, but
then got used to it. When asked, I just told them that if I were flunking
out, I think someone would tell me. But since I was having fun and learning
lots and my clinical patients loved me (I even got flowers from patients,
twice, as well as a few Thank You cards), my grades were probably fine and I
didn't really care how I compared to Suzie or Johnnie in their A-B-C-D-F
hierarchy. Some instructors thought this was hilarious (they were my
favorite folks, for obvious reasons) and others never did figure out how to
take it. And one of the people who was most threatened by my Quitter
attitude was the one who charged me with insubordination twice.

At graduation, I discovered I had been on the Honor Roll straight through.
And I had had fun. And when I encountered the word Unschooling 15 years
later, it made a lot of sense to my School Rebel self.

-=b.



--
Brad in Boulder, CO
http://holcombs.org

Sandra Dodd

-=-I think you should call it quitting too. Quitting is not always a bad
thing after all. Would you want your husband to keep smoking so he
can say he's not a quitter?-=-

Good point.
And my mom used to say "quit that" all the time to me. And in my
obedience (occasionally), I was a swift quitter.

Sandra

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