Another Unschooling family on Wife Swap
BRIAN POLIKOWSKY
Since we are talking about stories on the news I wanted to ask if anyone has seen
yesterday's Wife Swap with yet another unschooling family.
This is the second unschooling family in the last 4 weeks.
Has anyone see it?
Do you thing their portray of unschooling is going to be a positive one or not?
Would you want your family that has doubts about it to see these shows?
I am part of homeschool groups and people just thing unschooling is when moms just neglect everything and DO NOTHING>
They tell me they met unschoolers and that they would be destroying things and hurting other kids and mom did nothing in the name of unschooling.
This brings me to another topic that maybe belongs to another post.
Lately there have been some great things written about what NOT to do but is there a list ( for beginners and people learning ) about what TO DO?
A big compilation ( SP?) so people does not thing that uschooling parents just sit on their ass and let the kids fend for themselves.
Alex Polikowsky
http://polykow.blogspot.com/
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/unschoolingmn/
________________________________
From: Sandra Dodd <Sandra@...>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Saturday, February 7, 2009 11:35:32 AM
Subject: Re: [AlwaysLearning] Re:Fwd: Unschooling and reading
-=-Uh, I don't know. I enjoy reading it. I'm not saying I'm better
or more knowledgeable about Shakespeare, but I do enjoy it. And my
daughter has enjoyed it too. And reading it lead to all sorts of
other wonderful connections and other fun stuff. I think that story
is on Sandra's site, yeah here, http://sandradodd. com/strew/
shakespeare
-=-So, really, it can't be said about everyone. -=-
Hey, I did take it back. I said it wasn't true but that people
shouldn't TELL someone else to read Shakespeare, unless they were
willing to risk the person hating Shakespeare (paraphrasing or
clarifying myself).
-=-=If a kid showed some interest in Shakespeare I'm gonna pull out
my book with his plays in it. -=-
I pull out the DVDs. I've gotten the book to read something that was
left out, or to check people's names (though the internet is way
better for that these days, and with google you can find particular
lines from plays and get the citation (act/scene/line) , so my books
are getting dustier.
I did read Henry V before ever seeing or hearing any, and I kinda had
the hots for this reformed, responsible, compassionate former hoodlum
of a young king when I was 19 and in college. Mine was way cuter
than Kenneth Brannagh, too.
I can look at music and tell at least vaguely what it would sound
like, but if there's a piano in the room, I go and put it into the
air (at least the melody line). Just last night I played through the
left hand of something in the Fitzwilliam Virginal Book. It was by
William Byrd and it was called "Bells." It's like a church bell-
pulling team ringing the changes. After four pages I saw it kept
going but I didn't turn that other page. I was thinking, though, how
fun it must've been at one time "to do bell ringing" at home, in the
1600s, instead of needing a church and four or six people pulling
big ropes to a script.
So there's a GREAT thing about a book. I can put sound into the air
that was first written down in the 1500s or early 1600s (in that
case). But the book didn't do it. The composer and collectors and
transcriptionists and engravers and printers and I did that. (I did
the easy part.)
Sandra
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yesterday's Wife Swap with yet another unschooling family.
This is the second unschooling family in the last 4 weeks.
Has anyone see it?
Do you thing their portray of unschooling is going to be a positive one or not?
Would you want your family that has doubts about it to see these shows?
I am part of homeschool groups and people just thing unschooling is when moms just neglect everything and DO NOTHING>
They tell me they met unschoolers and that they would be destroying things and hurting other kids and mom did nothing in the name of unschooling.
This brings me to another topic that maybe belongs to another post.
Lately there have been some great things written about what NOT to do but is there a list ( for beginners and people learning ) about what TO DO?
A big compilation ( SP?) so people does not thing that uschooling parents just sit on their ass and let the kids fend for themselves.
Alex Polikowsky
http://polykow.blogspot.com/
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/unschoolingmn/
________________________________
From: Sandra Dodd <Sandra@...>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Saturday, February 7, 2009 11:35:32 AM
Subject: Re: [AlwaysLearning] Re:Fwd: Unschooling and reading
-=-Uh, I don't know. I enjoy reading it. I'm not saying I'm better
or more knowledgeable about Shakespeare, but I do enjoy it. And my
daughter has enjoyed it too. And reading it lead to all sorts of
other wonderful connections and other fun stuff. I think that story
is on Sandra's site, yeah here, http://sandradodd. com/strew/
shakespeare
-=-So, really, it can't be said about everyone. -=-
Hey, I did take it back. I said it wasn't true but that people
shouldn't TELL someone else to read Shakespeare, unless they were
willing to risk the person hating Shakespeare (paraphrasing or
clarifying myself).
-=-=If a kid showed some interest in Shakespeare I'm gonna pull out
my book with his plays in it. -=-
I pull out the DVDs. I've gotten the book to read something that was
left out, or to check people's names (though the internet is way
better for that these days, and with google you can find particular
lines from plays and get the citation (act/scene/line) , so my books
are getting dustier.
I did read Henry V before ever seeing or hearing any, and I kinda had
the hots for this reformed, responsible, compassionate former hoodlum
of a young king when I was 19 and in college. Mine was way cuter
than Kenneth Brannagh, too.
I can look at music and tell at least vaguely what it would sound
like, but if there's a piano in the room, I go and put it into the
air (at least the melody line). Just last night I played through the
left hand of something in the Fitzwilliam Virginal Book. It was by
William Byrd and it was called "Bells." It's like a church bell-
pulling team ringing the changes. After four pages I saw it kept
going but I didn't turn that other page. I was thinking, though, how
fun it must've been at one time "to do bell ringing" at home, in the
1600s, instead of needing a church and four or six people pulling
big ropes to a script.
So there's a GREAT thing about a book. I can put sound into the air
that was first written down in the 1500s or early 1600s (in that
case). But the book didn't do it. The composer and collectors and
transcriptionists and engravers and printers and I did that. (I did
the easy part.)
Sandra
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Sandra Dodd
-=-Lately there have been some great things written about what NOT to
do but is there a list ( for beginners and people learning ) about
what TO DO?-=-
Before I say yes, of course, please let me know what kind of to do
list you're thinking.
Sandra
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
do but is there a list ( for beginners and people learning ) about
what TO DO?-=-
Before I say yes, of course, please let me know what kind of to do
list you're thinking.
Sandra
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
BRIAN POLIKOWSKY
Gee I don't know maybe something like that one everyone contributed to.
Something like.
* Read to your kids when they play video games
*Take them to the library to look for books or movies they are interested
* share information without turning into a lesson
* share information until you kid is done and them back off
( those are not well written but just on top of my hear quick)
Not a list to follow item by item but to show people that just letting kids fend for alone is not unschooling.
I know it does look different form household to household and kids are so vastly different
These "list" might exist and I just never came across.
I like that in that link you just send a few posts ago about DO IT
what Kelly Lovejoy said about leave like its the last year of your life.
What I saw in Wife Swap yesterday looked like a mom turning everything into a lesson. Maybe she does not do it
in her day to day life and was just saying things so people would see learning in everything.
But it did look like she was creating lessons and teaching moments.
Alex Polikowsky
http://polykow.blogspot.com/
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/unschoolingmn/
________________________________
From: Sandra Dodd <Sandra@...>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Saturday, February 7, 2009 1:29:23 PM
Subject: Re: [AlwaysLearning] Another Unschooling family on Wife Swap
-=-Lately there have been some great things written about what NOT to
do but is there a list ( for beginners and people learning ) about
what TO DO?-=-
Before I say yes, of course, please let me know what kind of to do
list you're thinking.
Sandra
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Something like.
* Read to your kids when they play video games
*Take them to the library to look for books or movies they are interested
* share information without turning into a lesson
* share information until you kid is done and them back off
( those are not well written but just on top of my hear quick)
Not a list to follow item by item but to show people that just letting kids fend for alone is not unschooling.
I know it does look different form household to household and kids are so vastly different
These "list" might exist and I just never came across.
I like that in that link you just send a few posts ago about DO IT
what Kelly Lovejoy said about leave like its the last year of your life.
What I saw in Wife Swap yesterday looked like a mom turning everything into a lesson. Maybe she does not do it
in her day to day life and was just saying things so people would see learning in everything.
But it did look like she was creating lessons and teaching moments.
Alex Polikowsky
http://polykow.blogspot.com/
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/unschoolingmn/
________________________________
From: Sandra Dodd <Sandra@...>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Saturday, February 7, 2009 1:29:23 PM
Subject: Re: [AlwaysLearning] Another Unschooling family on Wife Swap
-=-Lately there have been some great things written about what NOT to
do but is there a list ( for beginners and people learning ) about
what TO DO?-=-
Before I say yes, of course, please let me know what kind of to do
list you're thinking.
Sandra
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
BRIAN POLIKOWSKY
lol It is suppose to read:
live like
instead of leave like
Alex Polikowsky
http://polykow.blogspot.com/
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/unschoolingmn/
________________________________
From: BRIAN POLIKOWSKY <polykowholsteins@...>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Saturday, February 7, 2009 1:43:04 PM
Subject: Re: [AlwaysLearning] Another Unschooling family on Wife Swap
Gee I don't know maybe something like that one everyone contributed to.
Something like.
* Read to your kids when they play video games
*Take them to the library to look for books or movies they are interested
* share information without turning into a lesson
* share information until you kid is done and them back off
( those are not well written but just on top of my hear quick)
Not a list to follow item by item but to show people that just letting kids fend for alone is not unschooling.
I know it does look different form household to household and kids are so vastly different
These "list" might exist and I just never came across.
I like that in that link you just send a few posts ago about DO IT
what Kelly Lovejoy said about leave like its the last year of your life.
What I saw in Wife Swap yesterday looked like a mom turning everything into a lesson. Maybe she does not do it
in her day to day life and was just saying things so people would see learning in everything.
But it did look like she was creating lessons and teaching moments.
Alex Polikowsky
http://polykow. blogspot. com/
http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/unschoolin gmn/
____________ _________ _________ __
From: Sandra Dodd <Sandra@SandraDodd. com>
To: AlwaysLearning@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Saturday, February 7, 2009 1:29:23 PM
Subject: Re: [AlwaysLearning] Another Unschooling family on Wife Swap
-=-Lately there have been some great things written about what NOT to
do but is there a list ( for beginners and people learning ) about
what TO DO?-=-
Before I say yes, of course, please let me know what kind of to do
list you're thinking.
Sandra
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
live like
instead of leave like
Alex Polikowsky
http://polykow.blogspot.com/
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/unschoolingmn/
________________________________
From: BRIAN POLIKOWSKY <polykowholsteins@...>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Saturday, February 7, 2009 1:43:04 PM
Subject: Re: [AlwaysLearning] Another Unschooling family on Wife Swap
Gee I don't know maybe something like that one everyone contributed to.
Something like.
* Read to your kids when they play video games
*Take them to the library to look for books or movies they are interested
* share information without turning into a lesson
* share information until you kid is done and them back off
( those are not well written but just on top of my hear quick)
Not a list to follow item by item but to show people that just letting kids fend for alone is not unschooling.
I know it does look different form household to household and kids are so vastly different
These "list" might exist and I just never came across.
I like that in that link you just send a few posts ago about DO IT
what Kelly Lovejoy said about leave like its the last year of your life.
What I saw in Wife Swap yesterday looked like a mom turning everything into a lesson. Maybe she does not do it
in her day to day life and was just saying things so people would see learning in everything.
But it did look like she was creating lessons and teaching moments.
Alex Polikowsky
http://polykow. blogspot. com/
http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/unschoolin gmn/
____________ _________ _________ __
From: Sandra Dodd <Sandra@SandraDodd. com>
To: AlwaysLearning@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Saturday, February 7, 2009 1:29:23 PM
Subject: Re: [AlwaysLearning] Another Unschooling family on Wife Swap
-=-Lately there have been some great things written about what NOT to
do but is there a list ( for beginners and people learning ) about
what TO DO?-=-
Before I say yes, of course, please let me know what kind of to do
list you're thinking.
Sandra
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Sandra Dodd
-=-What I saw in Wife Swap yesterday looked like a mom turning
everything into a lesson. Maybe she does not do it
in her day to day life and was just saying things so people would see
learning in everything.
But it did look like she was creating lessons and teaching moments.-=-
The unschooling mom, you mean?
Wife Swap directly solicited our family three different times, three
different producers. I thought about it and they give $20,000. But
they also totally exploit bad moments and while I might've had fun
visiting some military fundamentalist family, my family might've
been miserable back home. And the program isn't honest, and I don't
deal with dishonesty. When they say "a week" it's more like three
or four days, I think. But the time you deal with the crew is a week
(or something). Ren Allen's family considered it too.
But here's the thing: Suddenly "switching to unschooling" is no more
than a snow day, or a fun Saturday. It's not unschooling.
Unschooling takes months to kick in, and that's months of one or both
parents REALLY really working to learn a new way of seeing learning.
Just as someone can't make sourdough bread or make beer or wine in
just an hour, you can't show unschooling in a day.
Lists of things to do, or at least ways to do and be:
http://aboutunschooling.blogspot.com/2008/12/lists-of-good-ideas.html
http://sandradodd.com/checklists
http://sandradodd.com/museum
http://sandradodd.com/playing
http://sandradodd.com/strewing
There are others in there, but I need to go sew.
Sandra
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everything into a lesson. Maybe she does not do it
in her day to day life and was just saying things so people would see
learning in everything.
But it did look like she was creating lessons and teaching moments.-=-
The unschooling mom, you mean?
Wife Swap directly solicited our family three different times, three
different producers. I thought about it and they give $20,000. But
they also totally exploit bad moments and while I might've had fun
visiting some military fundamentalist family, my family might've
been miserable back home. And the program isn't honest, and I don't
deal with dishonesty. When they say "a week" it's more like three
or four days, I think. But the time you deal with the crew is a week
(or something). Ren Allen's family considered it too.
But here's the thing: Suddenly "switching to unschooling" is no more
than a snow day, or a fun Saturday. It's not unschooling.
Unschooling takes months to kick in, and that's months of one or both
parents REALLY really working to learn a new way of seeing learning.
Just as someone can't make sourdough bread or make beer or wine in
just an hour, you can't show unschooling in a day.
Lists of things to do, or at least ways to do and be:
http://aboutunschooling.blogspot.com/2008/12/lists-of-good-ideas.html
http://sandradodd.com/checklists
http://sandradodd.com/museum
http://sandradodd.com/playing
http://sandradodd.com/strewing
There are others in there, but I need to go sew.
Sandra
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BRIAN POLIKOWSKY
Yes it was the unschooling mom towards her kids. I know there is editing and it is not honest.
Just wondering what those shows impact would be for how people see unschooling. Not that I care about what
other people think. More for those who struggle with it.
As for the list. Thanks. I will go read and re-read those.
My idea is to have them so I can forward to people who want them.
I am not really good about explaining what we do or unschooling.
I have been trying to explain to my sister and I have been sending her links. She pulled her son out this fall and they never thought they would
homeschool. I don't know if they will unschool because of her husband.
Alex Polikowsky
http://polykow.blogspot.com/
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/unschoolingmn/
________________________________
From: Sandra Dodd <Sandra@...>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Saturday, February 7, 2009 3:51:05 PM
Subject: Re: [AlwaysLearning] Another Unschooling family on Wife Swap
-=-What I saw in Wife Swap yesterday looked like a mom turning
everything into a lesson. Maybe she does not do it
in her day to day life and was just saying things so people would see
learning in everything.
But it did look like she was creating lessons and teaching moments.-=-
The unschooling mom, you mean?
Wife Swap directly solicited our family three different times, three
different producers. I thought about it and they give $20,000. But
they also totally exploit bad moments and while I might've had fun
visiting some military fundamentalist family, my family might've
been miserable back home. And the program isn't honest, and I don't
deal with dishonesty. When they say "a week" it's more like three
or four days, I think. But the time you deal with the crew is a week
(or something). Ren Allen's family considered it too.
But here's the thing: Suddenly "switching to unschooling" is no more
than a snow day, or a fun Saturday. It's not unschooling.
Unschooling takes months to kick in, and that's months of one or both
parents REALLY really working to learn a new way of seeing learning.
Just as someone can't make sourdough bread or make beer or wine in
just an hour, you can't show unschooling in a day.
Lists of things to do, or at least ways to do and be:
http://aboutunschoo ling.blogspot. com/2008/ 12/lists- of-good-ideas. html
http://sandradodd. com/checklists
http://sandradodd. com/museum
http://sandradodd. com/playing
http://sandradodd. com/strewing
There are others in there, but I need to go sew.
Sandra
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Just wondering what those shows impact would be for how people see unschooling. Not that I care about what
other people think. More for those who struggle with it.
As for the list. Thanks. I will go read and re-read those.
My idea is to have them so I can forward to people who want them.
I am not really good about explaining what we do or unschooling.
I have been trying to explain to my sister and I have been sending her links. She pulled her son out this fall and they never thought they would
homeschool. I don't know if they will unschool because of her husband.
Alex Polikowsky
http://polykow.blogspot.com/
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/unschoolingmn/
________________________________
From: Sandra Dodd <Sandra@...>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Saturday, February 7, 2009 3:51:05 PM
Subject: Re: [AlwaysLearning] Another Unschooling family on Wife Swap
-=-What I saw in Wife Swap yesterday looked like a mom turning
everything into a lesson. Maybe she does not do it
in her day to day life and was just saying things so people would see
learning in everything.
But it did look like she was creating lessons and teaching moments.-=-
The unschooling mom, you mean?
Wife Swap directly solicited our family three different times, three
different producers. I thought about it and they give $20,000. But
they also totally exploit bad moments and while I might've had fun
visiting some military fundamentalist family, my family might've
been miserable back home. And the program isn't honest, and I don't
deal with dishonesty. When they say "a week" it's more like three
or four days, I think. But the time you deal with the crew is a week
(or something). Ren Allen's family considered it too.
But here's the thing: Suddenly "switching to unschooling" is no more
than a snow day, or a fun Saturday. It's not unschooling.
Unschooling takes months to kick in, and that's months of one or both
parents REALLY really working to learn a new way of seeing learning.
Just as someone can't make sourdough bread or make beer or wine in
just an hour, you can't show unschooling in a day.
Lists of things to do, or at least ways to do and be:
http://aboutunschoo ling.blogspot. com/2008/ 12/lists- of-good-ideas. html
http://sandradodd. com/checklists
http://sandradodd. com/museum
http://sandradodd. com/playing
http://sandradodd. com/strewing
There are others in there, but I need to go sew.
Sandra
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nymodels2
I don't watch TV but as owner of NY models inc I know the biz. my sister has produced some segments of wife swap. & like most of the reality shows it"s all TV & mostly not true. things are edited to become something else. my agency dir, DD was just on a reality show called TRUE BEAUTY. ASHLEY signed a contract w/ abc not to talk about anything. of course she told her mom <susie Q in georga derante's book "the company she keeps"> ashley cried over what they did & @ 21 she has been modeling all her life & knows the biz. mom sue has also modeled all her life. show told ashley only to donate to group leader who would donate to charity...then said "ashley doesn't donate" edited where she asked bicyclist if he need help. another girl on show who was a co. dancer was made to look like a go go dancer. i didn't watch true beauty either but told ashley everyone should know there shows are set up. one of other girls won trip from true beauty to PV mexico & is taking ashley. but will show tell you that? wonderful friendships were made on show. don't believe what you see on tv or read in paper or on net. i have a million more stories i can't tell. :) ***sim'aria***
In a message dated 02/07/09 14:16:48 Eastern Standard Time, polykowholsteins@... writes:
Since we are talking about stories on the news I wanted to ask if anyone has seen
yesterday's Wife Swap with yet another unschooling family.
This is the second unschooling family in the last 4 weeks.
Has anyone see it?
Do you thing their portray of unschooling is going to be a positive one or not?
Would you want your family that has doubts about it to see these shows?
I am part of homeschool groups and people just thing unschooling is when moms just neglect everything and DO NOTHING>
They tell me they met unschoolers and that they would be destroying things and hurting other kids and mom did nothing in the name of unschooling.
This brings me to another topic that maybe belongs to another post.
Lately there have been some great things written about what NOT to do but is there a list ( for beginners and people learning ) about what TO DO?
A big compilation ( SP?) so people does not thing that uschooling parents just sit on their ass and let the kids fend for themselves.
Alex Polikowsky
http://polykow.blogspot.com/
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/unschoolingmn/
________________________________
From: Sandra Dodd <Sandra@...>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Saturday, February 7, 2009 11:35:32 AM
Subject: Re: [AlwaysLearning] Re:Fwd: Unschooling and reading
-=-Uh, I don't know. I enjoy reading it. I'm not saying I'm better
or more knowledgeable about Shakespeare, but I do enjoy it. And my
daughter has enjoyed it too. And reading it lead to all sorts of
other wonderful connections and other fun stuff. I think that story
is on Sandra's site, yeah here, http://sandradodd. com/strew/
shakespeare
-=-So, really, it can't be said about everyone. -=-
Hey, I did take it back. I said it wasn't true but that people
shouldn't TELL someone else to read Shakespeare, unless they were
willing to risk the person hating Shakespeare (paraphrasing or
clarifying myself).
-=-=If a kid showed some interest in Shakespeare I'm gonna pull out
my book with his plays in it. -=-
I pull out the DVDs. I've gotten the book to read something that was
left out, or to check people's names (though the internet is way
better for that these days, and with google you can find particular
lines from plays and get the citation (act/scene/line) , so my books
are getting dustier.
I did read Henry V before ever seeing or hearing any, and I kinda had
the hots for this reformed, responsible, compassionate former hoodlum
of a young king when I was 19 and in college. Mine was way cuter
than Kenneth Brannagh, too.
I can look at music and tell at least vaguely what it would sound
like, but if there's a piano in the room, I go and put it into the
air (at least the melody line). Just last night I played through the
left hand of something in the Fitzwilliam Virginal Book. It was by
William Byrd and it was called "Bells." It's like a church bell-
pulling team ringing the changes. After four pages I saw it kept
going but I didn't turn that other page. I was thinking, though, how
fun it must've been at one time "to do bell ringing" at home, in the
1600s, instead of needing a church and four or six people pulling
big ropes to a script.
So there's a GREAT thing about a book. I can put sound into the air
that was first written down in the 1500s or early 1600s (in that
case). But the book didn't do it. The composer and collectors and
transcriptionists and engravers and printers and I did that. (I did
the easy part.)
Sandra
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
In a message dated 02/07/09 14:16:48 Eastern Standard Time, polykowholsteins@... writes:
Since we are talking about stories on the news I wanted to ask if anyone has seen
yesterday's Wife Swap with yet another unschooling family.
This is the second unschooling family in the last 4 weeks.
Has anyone see it?
Do you thing their portray of unschooling is going to be a positive one or not?
Would you want your family that has doubts about it to see these shows?
I am part of homeschool groups and people just thing unschooling is when moms just neglect everything and DO NOTHING>
They tell me they met unschoolers and that they would be destroying things and hurting other kids and mom did nothing in the name of unschooling.
This brings me to another topic that maybe belongs to another post.
Lately there have been some great things written about what NOT to do but is there a list ( for beginners and people learning ) about what TO DO?
A big compilation ( SP?) so people does not thing that uschooling parents just sit on their ass and let the kids fend for themselves.
Alex Polikowsky
http://polykow.blogspot.com/
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/unschoolingmn/
________________________________
From: Sandra Dodd <Sandra@...>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Saturday, February 7, 2009 11:35:32 AM
Subject: Re: [AlwaysLearning] Re:Fwd: Unschooling and reading
-=-Uh, I don't know. I enjoy reading it. I'm not saying I'm better
or more knowledgeable about Shakespeare, but I do enjoy it. And my
daughter has enjoyed it too. And reading it lead to all sorts of
other wonderful connections and other fun stuff. I think that story
is on Sandra's site, yeah here, http://sandradodd. com/strew/
shakespeare
-=-So, really, it can't be said about everyone. -=-
Hey, I did take it back. I said it wasn't true but that people
shouldn't TELL someone else to read Shakespeare, unless they were
willing to risk the person hating Shakespeare (paraphrasing or
clarifying myself).
-=-=If a kid showed some interest in Shakespeare I'm gonna pull out
my book with his plays in it. -=-
I pull out the DVDs. I've gotten the book to read something that was
left out, or to check people's names (though the internet is way
better for that these days, and with google you can find particular
lines from plays and get the citation (act/scene/line) , so my books
are getting dustier.
I did read Henry V before ever seeing or hearing any, and I kinda had
the hots for this reformed, responsible, compassionate former hoodlum
of a young king when I was 19 and in college. Mine was way cuter
than Kenneth Brannagh, too.
I can look at music and tell at least vaguely what it would sound
like, but if there's a piano in the room, I go and put it into the
air (at least the melody line). Just last night I played through the
left hand of something in the Fitzwilliam Virginal Book. It was by
William Byrd and it was called "Bells." It's like a church bell-
pulling team ringing the changes. After four pages I saw it kept
going but I didn't turn that other page. I was thinking, though, how
fun it must've been at one time "to do bell ringing" at home, in the
1600s, instead of needing a church and four or six people pulling
big ropes to a script.
So there's a GREAT thing about a book. I can put sound into the air
that was first written down in the 1500s or early 1600s (in that
case). But the book didn't do it. The composer and collectors and
transcriptionists and engravers and printers and I did that. (I did
the easy part.)
Sandra
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Lyla Wolfenstein
did anyone answer this query?
i loved this list posted fairly recently:
http://sandradodd.com/pam/howto
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i loved this list posted fairly recently:
http://sandradodd.com/pam/howto
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BRIAN POLIKOWSKY
Thanks Lyla,
This plus those other links Sandra gave me is what I was looking for.
They can give a beginner a picture of how unschooling looks like.
Alex Polikowsky
http://polykow.blogspot.com/
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/unschoolingmn/
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This plus those other links Sandra gave me is what I was looking for.
They can give a beginner a picture of how unschooling looks like.
Alex Polikowsky
http://polykow.blogspot.com/
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/unschoolingmn/
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DaBreeze21
--==Just wondering what those shows impact would be for how people see
unschooling. Not that I care about what other people think. More for
those who struggle with it.==--
I saw part of this episode and also another one that had a family who
identified themselves as unschoolers. I can speak as someone who
aspires to unschool and is still learning and who has a lot of
"doubters" in my life right now. It seemed to me not to represent the
unschooling philosophy well. Actually it may have more been that the
other family was SO against it (which is the premise of the show -- to
find family's VERY different from each other, seemingly opposites) The
words used by the OTHER mother were very harsh and judgmental and I'm
sure that many of the viewers agreed with them, so just thinking that
is intimidating (as much as I too aspire to not worry what "others"
think!)
My husband and I still don't discuss unschooling much out loud. He
knows that I read and post to this list. He knows I am VERY interested
and I have said how much I love it. His response while watching this
show was "I don't like unschooling... I want my kids in school" When I
said, what if I wasn't using the word "unschooling" just talking about
HOMEschooling, he still said, I don't like that either. ugh. Very
discouraging. I asked him why and also said that I didn't think that
he knew that much about it. He seems to think he gets the idea, that
it is obvious.... also, he is very much like this -- once he says he
doesn't like something he won't really expand on it or discuss it more.
I still have about 2 1/2 years before we would put our daughter in
school so I am still hopeful. I also ALWAYS keep in mind Sandra's wise
words -- my family being together and happy is my #1 priority. But I
feel like I WANT unschooling just as much as my husband feels opposed
to it -- so I'm not ready to "give up". I have been thinking of
different things -- I may write him a letter since we aren't so great
about discussing the topic yet. I also would LOVE to go to a
conference sometime in the next couple of years (with him of course).
If it comes to school and he still has not changed his mind at all I
am ready to accept that, and of course know that nothing is set in
stone. It just makes me sad to think that maybe it won't be for us...
Thanks for listening! I kind of veered from wife swap to a new topic...
Susan
unschooling. Not that I care about what other people think. More for
those who struggle with it.==--
I saw part of this episode and also another one that had a family who
identified themselves as unschoolers. I can speak as someone who
aspires to unschool and is still learning and who has a lot of
"doubters" in my life right now. It seemed to me not to represent the
unschooling philosophy well. Actually it may have more been that the
other family was SO against it (which is the premise of the show -- to
find family's VERY different from each other, seemingly opposites) The
words used by the OTHER mother were very harsh and judgmental and I'm
sure that many of the viewers agreed with them, so just thinking that
is intimidating (as much as I too aspire to not worry what "others"
think!)
My husband and I still don't discuss unschooling much out loud. He
knows that I read and post to this list. He knows I am VERY interested
and I have said how much I love it. His response while watching this
show was "I don't like unschooling... I want my kids in school" When I
said, what if I wasn't using the word "unschooling" just talking about
HOMEschooling, he still said, I don't like that either. ugh. Very
discouraging. I asked him why and also said that I didn't think that
he knew that much about it. He seems to think he gets the idea, that
it is obvious.... also, he is very much like this -- once he says he
doesn't like something he won't really expand on it or discuss it more.
I still have about 2 1/2 years before we would put our daughter in
school so I am still hopeful. I also ALWAYS keep in mind Sandra's wise
words -- my family being together and happy is my #1 priority. But I
feel like I WANT unschooling just as much as my husband feels opposed
to it -- so I'm not ready to "give up". I have been thinking of
different things -- I may write him a letter since we aren't so great
about discussing the topic yet. I also would LOVE to go to a
conference sometime in the next couple of years (with him of course).
If it comes to school and he still has not changed his mind at all I
am ready to accept that, and of course know that nothing is set in
stone. It just makes me sad to think that maybe it won't be for us...
Thanks for listening! I kind of veered from wife swap to a new topic...
Susan
BRIAN POLIKOWSKY
I can understand you husband saying that he does not like unschooling. It must have been hard for him to hear the other mom say how this unschooling kids were being cut short of their "education" and even worse. The unschooling dad was also could not put unschooling into words when confronted. If I had seen this show before I had kids or when my son was under 2 years old I would have agreed with the sentiment and would had thought that unschooling was crazy.
Thank goodness I know better.....
Alex Polikowsky
http://polykow.blogspot.com/
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/unschoolingmn/
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Thank goodness I know better.....
Alex Polikowsky
http://polykow.blogspot.com/
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/unschoolingmn/
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Margaret
That was my reaction to my first run in with Unschooling. My daughter
was very young at the time (barely 1). Elimination communication too.
On the surface they both seemed completely nuts to me: unschooling
b/c how could it work, EC b/c it seemed too controlling. I'm glad I
figured out how wrong I was wrong about both of them in time to do
something about it :)
Margaret
On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 12:15 PM, BRIAN POLIKOWSKY
<polykowholsteins@...> wrote:
was very young at the time (barely 1). Elimination communication too.
On the surface they both seemed completely nuts to me: unschooling
b/c how could it work, EC b/c it seemed too controlling. I'm glad I
figured out how wrong I was wrong about both of them in time to do
something about it :)
Margaret
On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 12:15 PM, BRIAN POLIKOWSKY
<polykowholsteins@...> wrote:
> I can understand you husband saying that he does not like unschooling. It
> must have been hard for him to hear the other mom say how this unschooling
> kids were being cut short of their "education" and even worse. The
> unschooling dad was also could not put unschooling into words when
> confronted. If I had seen this show before I had kids or when my son was
> under 2 years old I would have agreed with the sentiment and would had
> thought that unschooling was crazy.
> Thank goodness I know better.....
>
> Alex Polikowsky
> http://polykow.blogspot.com/
>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/unschoolingmn/
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
cherylsjoy
The family featured on that show are pretty active in the
so-cal homeschool community. I didn't realize she was
an unschooler, though, or maybe I forgot. I caught this
thread and thought your husband might want to read
Heather's blog about the show:
http://celebrationeducation.com/wifeswap/
- Cheryl Etzel
--- In [email protected], "DaBreeze21" <susanmay15@...>
wrote:
so-cal homeschool community. I didn't realize she was
an unschooler, though, or maybe I forgot. I caught this
thread and thought your husband might want to read
Heather's blog about the show:
http://celebrationeducation.com/wifeswap/
- Cheryl Etzel
--- In [email protected], "DaBreeze21" <susanmay15@...>
wrote:
> My husband and I still don't discuss unschooling much out loud. Heinterested
> knows that I read and post to this list. He knows I am VERY
> and I have said how much I love it. His response while watching this
> show was "I don't like unschooling... I want my kids in school"
>
> Susan
>
Robyn L. Coburn
Thanks for posting that link Cheryl.
http://celebrationeducation.com/wifeswap/
More "teaching" and "teacher" in her life and philosophy, and still dividing
learning into schoolish or academic subjects for me to consider her an
unschooler *as we discuss it here*. For example she took the other family's
girls to the amusement park with a teaching agenda, and tried to manipulate
conversations towards that teaching moment, apparently trying to show that
teaching can make learning fun. It may have been better to just let the
girls feel like they were taking a break from school rather than trying to
bring school even there (from their pov).
When she describes her school and how she teaches, to me she is describing
the absolutely very best of schooling, the best kind of schoolish academic
education. I'm sure her school is great fun. But it is still a school.
I commented to her page, not about these ideas since telling her she's not
really unschooling would be rude in her own house (ie blog), but instead
mentioning that it was hardly surprising that the show would be skewed for
entertainment value and asking the million dollar question - why did she
choose to be on it.
Robyn L. Coburn
www.Iggyjingles.etsy.com
www.iggyjingles.blogspot.com
www.allthingsdoll.blogspot.com
http://celebrationeducation.com/wifeswap/
More "teaching" and "teacher" in her life and philosophy, and still dividing
learning into schoolish or academic subjects for me to consider her an
unschooler *as we discuss it here*. For example she took the other family's
girls to the amusement park with a teaching agenda, and tried to manipulate
conversations towards that teaching moment, apparently trying to show that
teaching can make learning fun. It may have been better to just let the
girls feel like they were taking a break from school rather than trying to
bring school even there (from their pov).
When she describes her school and how she teaches, to me she is describing
the absolutely very best of schooling, the best kind of schoolish academic
education. I'm sure her school is great fun. But it is still a school.
I commented to her page, not about these ideas since telling her she's not
really unschooling would be rude in her own house (ie blog), but instead
mentioning that it was hardly surprising that the show would be skewed for
entertainment value and asking the million dollar question - why did she
choose to be on it.
Robyn L. Coburn
www.Iggyjingles.etsy.com
www.iggyjingles.blogspot.com
www.allthingsdoll.blogspot.com
BRIAN POLIKOWSKY
I was also glad to have read her blog.
First because it answered my question about if what she did at home was the unschooling we talked about here.
I had mentioned how it looked like she was trying to find teachable moments in everything. Well she really was.
It was not just to show the other family.
Second I got to know them a little better and I have to say that she was very gracious about the other mom and family.
She sounds like a very nice person and not neglectful like TV portrayed.
Alex Polikowsky
http://polykow.blogspot.com/
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/unschoolingmn/
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First because it answered my question about if what she did at home was the unschooling we talked about here.
I had mentioned how it looked like she was trying to find teachable moments in everything. Well she really was.
It was not just to show the other family.
Second I got to know them a little better and I have to say that she was very gracious about the other mom and family.
She sounds like a very nice person and not neglectful like TV portrayed.
Alex Polikowsky
http://polykow.blogspot.com/
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/unschoolingmn/
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Pam Sorooshian
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and asking the million dollar question - why did she .
choose to be on it.>
For the money, I'm sure. They have a daughter with a serious medical issue and they need funds to get her the treatment that might possibly help her.
Heather is a well-known homeschooler in Southern California who organizes all kinds of activities for people and volunteers at the local, state, and national level.
-pam
and asking the million dollar question - why did she .
choose to be on it.>
For the money, I'm sure. They have a daughter with a serious medical issue and they need funds to get her the treatment that might possibly help her.
Heather is a well-known homeschooler in Southern California who organizes all kinds of activities for people and volunteers at the local, state, and national level.
-pam
Robyn L. Coburn
Robyn L. Coburn
www.Iggyjingles.etsy.com
www.iggyjingles.blogspot.com
www.allthingsdoll.blogspot.com
www.Iggyjingles.etsy.com
www.iggyjingles.blogspot.com
www.allthingsdoll.blogspot.com
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> and they need funds to get her the treatment that might possibly help her.
>
> Heather is a well-known homeschooler in Southern California who organizes
> all kinds of activities for people and volunteers at the local, state, and
> national level.
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<<<< For the money, I'm sure. They have a daughter with a serious medical
issue and they need funds to get her the treatment that might possibly help
her.
entry, and it sounds like they made the deliberate and laudable choice to
shield her from the experience since she wasn't there according to the blog
(as distinct from getting very little air time as apparently occured with
her eldest son.)
I'm grateful that I am in a position to be able to say "there's not enough
money in the world" to persuade me to do a show like that, especially when
there are so many other types of shows. However had I a family member with a
medical condition I might find even an exploitative show worth it or
justified. There but for the grace of God go I.....In truth I assumed the
first reason was money (for anyone who agrees to go on this type of show),
but I was wondering if there were more reasons as well, and if the
experience fulfilled those reasons, given that her younger son has been
damaged, according again to her blog. I hope the fees were enormous and
bless both families for a long time to come.
However the larger discussion was about the perception of unschooling in the
wider community, and people here expressing doubts that Heather was
practicing unschooling *in the way it is discussed here*. There are many
home schooling people who do tons of volunteering at local, State and even
national levels. There are many people who are lovely parents and nice and
kind and generous. But that doesn't make them unschoolers, especially as we
define unschooling here.
I wasn't trying to imply that she was a bad person or mercenary, Pam, and
I'm sorry if it came across that way. I'm sure she is a very nice and
dedicated parent and teacher. She is clearly a joyful person and it sounds
like her kids are joyful, creative and vivid people too. I already said her
school as she describes it, sounds like the very best kind of school for
children. I would add it sounds like the very best model of a school for
people interested in school reform.
But on this list, for the purposes of discussion and helping people move
toward unschooling, someone whose language is full of the word "teach" over
and over, whose practice discusses classes and school subjects and wanting
to discover children's learning styles in order to teach them in the right
way for them (as positive an idea as that is in a school context), who
continues to call herself a "teacher" and freely uses labels (positive and
negative) for her children in public writing, is not unschooling.
They aren't unschooling in the fully committed way that so many of the long
time unschoolers on this list have been for so long. In some respects
someone who so "close but no cigar" to unschooling can cause even more
confusion in an arena where there are already self-designated experts out
there promoting extremely fuzzy definitions and letting the word
"unschooling" come to mean anything that is other than paralleling the
public school curriculum.
In the end people have the right to call themselves anything they want. The
First Amendment, isn't it? To say any crazy thing you like, as long as it is
not inciting someone to commit a crime. Someone I know talks about "her
unschooling" as being that she teaches only what she, the Mom, is interested
in rather than following another curriculum. Her language is full of "teach"
words and her self and how satisfied she is with herself and how much
happier she is with this - and it is a step forward from where she was, now
much more relaxed doing what I would happily call "eclectic unit studies"
rather than unschooling. If she were to come here or UD or .info or even
RUNing she might discover that she is further from genuine, authentic
unschooling than she believes herself to be. But she might read Heather's
blog entry and start to think that she could go further, not towards
genuine, authentic unschooling, but in her teaching practices. Or not, I
don't know.
My friend, who is kind and lovely and a volunteer and socially aware, but
not really an unschooler, is only hurting me by calling herself so in the
sense that there is a small wall between us made out of the bricks of my
judgment around her wrong (IMO) use of a word that represents something that
is the heart of my life. I have this devil desire to set her straight, but I
refrain because the other parts of our friendship are so very valuable to
me, and all I can really do is tell my own stories in the context of real
conversations. Maybe one day she will ask. The difference is that she is a
private person. She isn't on national, perhaps international television,
mangling or diluting or obfuscating for the uninitiated what unschooling
really can be. She isn't making public statements defining unschooling.
I suspect, going back to "why'd she do it", that part of Heather's own
agenda was to promote the school reform and home schooling movements. Maybe
she saw an opportunity to highlight the possibilities of a better
educational life for children that her kind of wonderful child focussed
teaching methods can create. Did she succeed in that, or was she the victim
of a predictable desire to record apparent conflict (which is what "sells
tickets") on the part of the producers which ultimately betrayed her and the
other unfortunate mother? As someone with an interest in how television
communicates, and how the language of television and mass media can affect
the content of the message, these are questions I am interested in.
Maybe just the fact that she was on the show will bring the curious to her
blog, and that she have a positive effect on some child's life somewhere if
that child's parent chooses to relax and support their child's passion. I
hope so, and I really would expect so.
But that doesn't mean that I have to call even well intentioned teaching
"unschooling", especially here.
Robyn L. Coburn
www.Iggyjingles.etsy.com
www.iggyjingles.blogspot.com
www.allthingsdoll.blogspot.com
PS sorry about that blank post. Must have pressed send by accident.
issue and they need funds to get her the treatment that might possibly help
her.
>Heather mentions her daughter in a response to a question below her blog
> Heather is a well-known homeschooler in Southern California who organizes
> all kinds of activities for people and volunteers at the local, state, and
> national level. >>>>
entry, and it sounds like they made the deliberate and laudable choice to
shield her from the experience since she wasn't there according to the blog
(as distinct from getting very little air time as apparently occured with
her eldest son.)
I'm grateful that I am in a position to be able to say "there's not enough
money in the world" to persuade me to do a show like that, especially when
there are so many other types of shows. However had I a family member with a
medical condition I might find even an exploitative show worth it or
justified. There but for the grace of God go I.....In truth I assumed the
first reason was money (for anyone who agrees to go on this type of show),
but I was wondering if there were more reasons as well, and if the
experience fulfilled those reasons, given that her younger son has been
damaged, according again to her blog. I hope the fees were enormous and
bless both families for a long time to come.
However the larger discussion was about the perception of unschooling in the
wider community, and people here expressing doubts that Heather was
practicing unschooling *in the way it is discussed here*. There are many
home schooling people who do tons of volunteering at local, State and even
national levels. There are many people who are lovely parents and nice and
kind and generous. But that doesn't make them unschoolers, especially as we
define unschooling here.
I wasn't trying to imply that she was a bad person or mercenary, Pam, and
I'm sorry if it came across that way. I'm sure she is a very nice and
dedicated parent and teacher. She is clearly a joyful person and it sounds
like her kids are joyful, creative and vivid people too. I already said her
school as she describes it, sounds like the very best kind of school for
children. I would add it sounds like the very best model of a school for
people interested in school reform.
But on this list, for the purposes of discussion and helping people move
toward unschooling, someone whose language is full of the word "teach" over
and over, whose practice discusses classes and school subjects and wanting
to discover children's learning styles in order to teach them in the right
way for them (as positive an idea as that is in a school context), who
continues to call herself a "teacher" and freely uses labels (positive and
negative) for her children in public writing, is not unschooling.
They aren't unschooling in the fully committed way that so many of the long
time unschoolers on this list have been for so long. In some respects
someone who so "close but no cigar" to unschooling can cause even more
confusion in an arena where there are already self-designated experts out
there promoting extremely fuzzy definitions and letting the word
"unschooling" come to mean anything that is other than paralleling the
public school curriculum.
In the end people have the right to call themselves anything they want. The
First Amendment, isn't it? To say any crazy thing you like, as long as it is
not inciting someone to commit a crime. Someone I know talks about "her
unschooling" as being that she teaches only what she, the Mom, is interested
in rather than following another curriculum. Her language is full of "teach"
words and her self and how satisfied she is with herself and how much
happier she is with this - and it is a step forward from where she was, now
much more relaxed doing what I would happily call "eclectic unit studies"
rather than unschooling. If she were to come here or UD or .info or even
RUNing she might discover that she is further from genuine, authentic
unschooling than she believes herself to be. But she might read Heather's
blog entry and start to think that she could go further, not towards
genuine, authentic unschooling, but in her teaching practices. Or not, I
don't know.
My friend, who is kind and lovely and a volunteer and socially aware, but
not really an unschooler, is only hurting me by calling herself so in the
sense that there is a small wall between us made out of the bricks of my
judgment around her wrong (IMO) use of a word that represents something that
is the heart of my life. I have this devil desire to set her straight, but I
refrain because the other parts of our friendship are so very valuable to
me, and all I can really do is tell my own stories in the context of real
conversations. Maybe one day she will ask. The difference is that she is a
private person. She isn't on national, perhaps international television,
mangling or diluting or obfuscating for the uninitiated what unschooling
really can be. She isn't making public statements defining unschooling.
I suspect, going back to "why'd she do it", that part of Heather's own
agenda was to promote the school reform and home schooling movements. Maybe
she saw an opportunity to highlight the possibilities of a better
educational life for children that her kind of wonderful child focussed
teaching methods can create. Did she succeed in that, or was she the victim
of a predictable desire to record apparent conflict (which is what "sells
tickets") on the part of the producers which ultimately betrayed her and the
other unfortunate mother? As someone with an interest in how television
communicates, and how the language of television and mass media can affect
the content of the message, these are questions I am interested in.
Maybe just the fact that she was on the show will bring the curious to her
blog, and that she have a positive effect on some child's life somewhere if
that child's parent chooses to relax and support their child's passion. I
hope so, and I really would expect so.
But that doesn't mean that I have to call even well intentioned teaching
"unschooling", especially here.
Robyn L. Coburn
www.Iggyjingles.etsy.com
www.iggyjingles.blogspot.com
www.allthingsdoll.blogspot.com
PS sorry about that blank post. Must have pressed send by accident.
Sandra Dodd
They're not formatted, but I did save the notes I had from Wife Swap.
There was some more correspondence with questions when Ren was
considering being on, but I don't seem to have that. http://sandradodd.com/wifeswap
"Let’s teach America about the benefits of unschooling!"
That's the line I liked best. I printed that one out and put it on
the wall. I don't want to "teach" anyone anything. <g>
The most deer-in-the-headlights situation I saw was a fundamentalist
homeschooling family in which the kids never watched TV. If they were
really good, they were allowed to listen to Christian radio with
headphones for an hour, or some such. So HOW ON EARTH could they
have had a clue about what was about to happen to them? But I'm
certain the producers persuaded them that they could witness for
Christ on this show.
But if people bail out partway through or are insufficiently
interesting, they don't get the $20,000. Outside of the wrestling
soap operas, it seems as close to the Roman Colosseum for the U.S. as
we have. Only these are not trained gladiators. (Those are on the
political talk shows. <g>) Are there shows like this in other
places? I hope not. Sheeesh...
Sandra
There was some more correspondence with questions when Ren was
considering being on, but I don't seem to have that. http://sandradodd.com/wifeswap
"Let’s teach America about the benefits of unschooling!"
That's the line I liked best. I printed that one out and put it on
the wall. I don't want to "teach" anyone anything. <g>
The most deer-in-the-headlights situation I saw was a fundamentalist
homeschooling family in which the kids never watched TV. If they were
really good, they were allowed to listen to Christian radio with
headphones for an hour, or some such. So HOW ON EARTH could they
have had a clue about what was about to happen to them? But I'm
certain the producers persuaded them that they could witness for
Christ on this show.
But if people bail out partway through or are insufficiently
interesting, they don't get the $20,000. Outside of the wrestling
soap operas, it seems as close to the Roman Colosseum for the U.S. as
we have. Only these are not trained gladiators. (Those are on the
political talk shows. <g>) Are there shows like this in other
places? I hope not. Sheeesh...
Sandra
Bea
--- In [email protected], Sandra Dodd <Sandra@...> wrote:
Are there shows like this in other
> places? I hope not. Sheeesh...
>
Oh yes, there are:
It's a show that is produced in the UK (I think a lot of the reality
shows were actually first started in Europe.)
As for other countries, this is what I found on wikipedia:
"Other countries and versions
Localised versions of Wife Swap were produced by Viasat and broadcast
in Croatia, Sweden, Norway, Denmark, Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania.
Viasat was the first company in the world to adapt the format locally.
The first adaptation was broadcast in Denmark in Autumn 2003. A
version in Serbia is shown on RTV Pink, called Menjam ženu, which
premiered in July 2006. Also, Chile premiered its own version of Wife
Swap called "¿Quién cambia a quién? Intercambio de Esposas" (Who
changes whom?: Wife Swap) on 14 March 2006. The series is produced by
Canal 13 and hosted by Cecilia Bolocco. The Croatian version is
broadcast on RTL Televizija. There is also a Dutch and a Belgian
version of Wife Swap. The version shown in the The Netherlands is
called "Jouw Vrouw Mijn Vrouw" (Your wife My wife), and in Belgium,
it's called "De Nieuwe Mama" (The New Mum/Mam/Mom). There is also a
Czech Version, hosted by NOVA TV, called VýmÄna Manželek (Wife Swap).
In Germany Wife Swap is called Frauentausch and premiered on 14 July
2003 on RTL II."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wife_Swap
Bea
Sandra Dodd
-=-and in Belgium,
it's called "De Nieuwe Mama" (The New Mum/Mam/Mom)-=-
Well theirs has a better name.
What a crazy idea. But one thing is they're creating records for the
future of what houses looked like. Not sets, or brand-new-just-built
designer houses, but houses where kids live. That might be valuable
to see in 100 years.
Sandra
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it's called "De Nieuwe Mama" (The New Mum/Mam/Mom)-=-
Well theirs has a better name.
What a crazy idea. But one thing is they're creating records for the
future of what houses looked like. Not sets, or brand-new-just-built
designer houses, but houses where kids live. That might be valuable
to see in 100 years.
Sandra
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Laura Beaudin
Saudi Arabia rebroadcasts the American version, but they rename it
"house Swap"...haha, people would probably flip over there if they
knew the original name!
Laura
At 07:24 AM 11/02/2009, you wrote:
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"house Swap"...haha, people would probably flip over there if they
knew the original name!
Laura
At 07:24 AM 11/02/2009, you wrote:
>--- InDon't let school interfere with your education!" --Mark Twain
><mailto:AlwaysLearning%40yahoogroups.com>[email protected],
>Sandra Dodd <Sandra@...> wrote:
>Are there shows like this in other
> > places? I hope not. Sheeesh...
> >
>
>Oh yes, there are:
>
>
>It's a show that is produced in the UK (I think a lot of the reality
>shows were actually first started in Europe.)
>
>As for other countries, this is what I found on wikipedia:
>
>"Other countries and versions
Practical Homeschooling Blog: http://www.practical-homeschooling.org
Find HONEST ways to earn a living from home! http://laurabeaudin.com
Works in Progress: http://picasaweb.google.co.uk/Laura.Beaudin
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Robyn L. Coburn
It's been flitting around uncomfortably in my head all night about the
various discussions on a couple of unschooling forums about this show,
particularly the general idea that Heather didn't show unschooling in a very
good light. I have watched a couple of episodes of Wife Swap, enough to get
the formula, and I have watched about 10 minutes worth of Super Nanny,
enough to get nauseated. I doubt that any lifestyle is shown at its best on
any of these shows.
If a camera crew with the intent to create compelling television were to
follow me around being selective about what would show, I highly doubt that
my parenting, James' parenting or Jayn's behavior would show unschooling in
a good light. It might only take clever editing of Jayn asking me for a
drink as she does about 10 times a day and me fetching it for her to give
the impression to the audience that she is spoiled and I am a doormat,
regardless of how happily I do it. If she happened to get hungry and have a
meltdown, she would look like an out of control screaming maniac, and you
may be sure that would get plenty of air time.
Any group of people watching an event unfolding are going to see different
things. There have been many reluctant spouses who go to a conference and
see wonders and become converts, but that have also been reluctant spouses
at the same conferences who see wildness and become even more reluctant.
Critiquing how someone apparently behaved on a tv show with the unseen
mediation and machinations of producers whose agenda is going to be
self-serving no matter what, is a bit unfair. I'm glad anyone on these shows
still has the recourse of the internet where they can write up their
refutations and point of view about what happened, and what was not seen. I
hope no more unschoolers feel called to do that or similar shows. Because it
never will show unschooling in a good light.
Robyn L. Coburn
www.Iggyjingles.etsy.com
www.iggyjingles.blogspot.com
www.allthingsdoll.blogspot.com
various discussions on a couple of unschooling forums about this show,
particularly the general idea that Heather didn't show unschooling in a very
good light. I have watched a couple of episodes of Wife Swap, enough to get
the formula, and I have watched about 10 minutes worth of Super Nanny,
enough to get nauseated. I doubt that any lifestyle is shown at its best on
any of these shows.
If a camera crew with the intent to create compelling television were to
follow me around being selective about what would show, I highly doubt that
my parenting, James' parenting or Jayn's behavior would show unschooling in
a good light. It might only take clever editing of Jayn asking me for a
drink as she does about 10 times a day and me fetching it for her to give
the impression to the audience that she is spoiled and I am a doormat,
regardless of how happily I do it. If she happened to get hungry and have a
meltdown, she would look like an out of control screaming maniac, and you
may be sure that would get plenty of air time.
Any group of people watching an event unfolding are going to see different
things. There have been many reluctant spouses who go to a conference and
see wonders and become converts, but that have also been reluctant spouses
at the same conferences who see wildness and become even more reluctant.
Critiquing how someone apparently behaved on a tv show with the unseen
mediation and machinations of producers whose agenda is going to be
self-serving no matter what, is a bit unfair. I'm glad anyone on these shows
still has the recourse of the internet where they can write up their
refutations and point of view about what happened, and what was not seen. I
hope no more unschoolers feel called to do that or similar shows. Because it
never will show unschooling in a good light.
Robyn L. Coburn
www.Iggyjingles.etsy.com
www.iggyjingles.blogspot.com
www.allthingsdoll.blogspot.com
cherylsjoy
Yeah, the reason I didn't know she considered herself
an unschooler was probably because in my contacts with her,
I didn't really recognize her actions as what we call
RU. She probably told me she was "an unschooler", but
if I had judged her as other than RU, I probably just
<mentally> relabeled her *style* in my mind. And that's
why her label didn't stick.
I agree, it's impossible to know how the family unit worked,
(as a whole), with all the editing. I'm sure there were
tons of beautiful, impressive, enlightening moments that
were cut. I missed her show so haven't seen it, yet, lol!
But hope to see a friend's copy of it. I have watched the show
many times and seen how they can really tear into a
family- particularly homeschooled ones.
I've held off reading Heather's blog till after I see
the show. I think most HS'ers doubt that they will show
homeschooling (let alone RU'ing) in a great light so she
probably heard the fears/doubts of people in her community
when the topic was being discussed last year - when WifeSwap
was a-knockin. I'm guessing they must have really needed
the funds for their daughter and decided to just hope
for the best. Sometimes WifeSwap will actually take a
"alternative" family and show them up, slightly positively,
though it's rare.
- Cheryl
--- In [email protected], "Robyn L. Coburn"
<dezigna@...> wrote:
an unschooler was probably because in my contacts with her,
I didn't really recognize her actions as what we call
RU. She probably told me she was "an unschooler", but
if I had judged her as other than RU, I probably just
<mentally> relabeled her *style* in my mind. And that's
why her label didn't stick.
I agree, it's impossible to know how the family unit worked,
(as a whole), with all the editing. I'm sure there were
tons of beautiful, impressive, enlightening moments that
were cut. I missed her show so haven't seen it, yet, lol!
But hope to see a friend's copy of it. I have watched the show
many times and seen how they can really tear into a
family- particularly homeschooled ones.
I've held off reading Heather's blog till after I see
the show. I think most HS'ers doubt that they will show
homeschooling (let alone RU'ing) in a great light so she
probably heard the fears/doubts of people in her community
when the topic was being discussed last year - when WifeSwap
was a-knockin. I'm guessing they must have really needed
the funds for their daughter and decided to just hope
for the best. Sometimes WifeSwap will actually take a
"alternative" family and show them up, slightly positively,
though it's rare.
- Cheryl
--- In [email protected], "Robyn L. Coburn"
<dezigna@...> wrote:
>the
> It's been flitting around uncomfortably in my head all night about
> various discussions on a couple of unschooling forums about thisshow,
> particularly the general idea that Heather didn't show unschoolingin a very
> good light. I have watched a couple of episodes of Wife Swap,enough to get
> the formula, and I have watched about 10 minutes worth of SuperNanny,
> enough to get nauseated. I doubt that any lifestyle is shown at itsbest on
> any of these shows.were to
>
> If a camera crew with the intent to create compelling television
> follow me around being selective about what would show, I highlydoubt that
> my parenting, James' parenting or Jayn's behavior would showunschooling in
> a good light. It might only take clever editing of Jayn asking mefor a
> drink as she does about 10 times a day and me fetching it for herto give
> the impression to the audience that she is spoiled and I am adoormat,
> regardless of how happily I do it. If she happened to get hungryand have a
> meltdown, she would look like an out of control screaming maniac,and you
> may be sure that would get plenty of air time.different
>
> Any group of people watching an event unfolding are going to see
> things. There have been many reluctant spouses who go to aconference and
> see wonders and become converts, but that have also been reluctantspouses
> at the same conferences who see wildness and become even morereluctant.
> Critiquing how someone apparently behaved on a tv show with theunseen
> mediation and machinations of producers whose agenda is going to bethese shows
> self-serving no matter what, is a bit unfair. I'm glad anyone on
> still has the recourse of the internet where they can write uptheir
> refutations and point of view about what happened, and what was notseen. I
> hope no more unschoolers feel called to do that or similar shows.Because it
> never will show unschooling in a good light.
>
>
> Robyn L. Coburn
> www.Iggyjingles.etsy.com
> www.iggyjingles.blogspot.com
> www.allthingsdoll.blogspot.com
>
Sandra Dodd
-=-
I've held off reading Heather's blog till after I see
the show. -=-
I'm surprised she said as much as she did. i don't know what the
confidentiality agreement is that goes with the receipt of that money,
but I'm sure there is one. Maybe it's not to name or discuss any of
the crew or producers. (Just guessing.)
Sandra
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I've held off reading Heather's blog till after I see
the show. -=-
I'm surprised she said as much as she did. i don't know what the
confidentiality agreement is that goes with the receipt of that money,
but I'm sure there is one. Maybe it's not to name or discuss any of
the crew or producers. (Just guessing.)
Sandra
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Cindy Fox
--- In [email protected], Sandra Dodd <Sandra@...>
wrote:
recognize editing issues, but I like looking at different places to
know that some of them really DO look like sit com sets and some of
them look like all kinds of things I would never have imagined
(having grown up in a house that looked perfect all the time). :)
I would really like to see the shows from other countries with
subtitles. I wouldn't consider it as definitive of what those
people in other countries are like, but sort of looking through a
keyhole and getting a glimpse of simliarities and differences that
are interesting to consider.
Cindy Fox
wrote:
> But one thing is they're creating records for thebuilt
> future of what houses looked like. Not sets, or brand-new-just-
> designer houses, but houses where kids live. That might bevaluable
> to see in 100 years.That's what I really like about this show - just to SEE... I
recognize editing issues, but I like looking at different places to
know that some of them really DO look like sit com sets and some of
them look like all kinds of things I would never have imagined
(having grown up in a house that looked perfect all the time). :)
I would really like to see the shows from other countries with
subtitles. I wouldn't consider it as definitive of what those
people in other countries are like, but sort of looking through a
keyhole and getting a glimpse of simliarities and differences that
are interesting to consider.
Cindy Fox