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In a message dated 9/14/2008 5:08:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
Sandra@... writes:

<<<Probably, and the "n" is silent in any case.>>>




Speaking of silent letters... Is there a name for "semi-silent letters" or
are they a figment of my imagination? Or maybe it tends to be a regional
dialect kind of thing. Badminton and knife definitely have silent letters, but I
hear a trace of some letters in words like the "L" in talk or the "H" in ghost
and spaghetti. Granted, it has been a long, long time since English class,
but I've always heard the difference and wondered about it. There are lots of
other words, just ones I'm not being able to recall at the moment. Those are
more along the lines of "companion letters", probably, and I can't recall the
words/letters that have really stuck in my mind. Apparently, they unstuck. Or
maybe they're just stuck down so far in the couch-cushions of my brain that
they can't be found.

Peace,
De



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Sandra Dodd

-=-Those are
more along the lines of "companion letters", probably, and I can't
recall the
words/letters that have really stuck in my mind. -=-



A blend?

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k

I think it's called swallowed syllables or something like that in phonology
circles.

Like button in the South is not said "but - ton" ... it's rather said like
"buh - un" and feels sort of like saying "uh huh." Fennel and bottle are
not said like "fen - nel" and "bot - tuhl" but "fen-l" and "bod - l." And
yes it's dialect. The British would in many dialects pronounce bottle as
"bot - tuhl." Or something like that.

~Katherine


On 9/14/08, Sanguinegirl83@... <Sanguinegirl83@...> wrote:
>
>
> In a message dated 9/14/2008 5:08:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> Sandra@... <Sandra%40SandraDodd.com> writes:
>
> <<<Probably, and the "n" is silent in any case.>>>
>
> Speaking of silent letters... Is there a name for "semi-silent letters" or
> are they a figment of my imagination? Or maybe it tends to be a regional
> dialect kind of thing. Badminton and knife definitely have silent letters,
> but I
> hear a trace of some letters in words like the "L" in talk or the "H" in
> ghost
> and spaghetti. Granted, it has been a long, long time since English class,
> but I've always heard the difference and wondered about it. There are lots
> of
> other words, just ones I'm not being able to recall at the moment. Those
> are
> more along the lines of "companion letters", probably, and I can't recall
> the
> words/letters that have really stuck in my mind. Apparently, they unstuck.
> Or
> maybe they're just stuck down so far in the couch-cushions of my brain that
>
> they can't be found.
>
> Peace,
> De
>
> **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog,
>
> plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com.
> (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014)
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>


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Pamela Sorooshian

On Sep 14, 2008, at 3:11 PM, Sanguinegirl83@... wrote:

> Badminton and knife definitely have silent letters


Badminton doesn't have a silent "n" the way I say it. I just checked
with Roxana - asked her to say it - and it didn't have a silent "n"
for her either.

<Pronunciation:
\ˈbad-ˌmi-tən, -ˌmin-tən\ >

I think that means both are considered acceptable, right?

-pam

Robyn L. Coburn

I've always said bad-min-ton. No silent letters, unless they're invisible
too. But I'm not from around here.

Robyn L. Coburn
www.Iggyjingles.etsy.com
www.iggyjingles.blogspot.com

Clarissa Fetrow

Me too, and I think that's how I've mostly heard it. I've heard more than
one person pronounce it "bad-mitten," but not often.
Clarissa



On Sun, Sep 14, 2008 at 9:08 PM, Robyn L. Coburn <dezigna@...> wrote:

> I've always said bad-min-ton. No silent letters
>


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Schuyler

Speaking as a Nebraskan transplanted to the UK, there are a lot of swallowed syllables here. Berry is pronounced bre, like strawbre or rasbre not berry. Saint is snt, norwich is noritch, fenwick is fenick with a fairly hard k. And if you get into local dialects they can get quite fascinating. When we lived in Durham, petrol was perol with very curt two syllables, actually there is a fantastic Goodies Episode that puts in good northern dialect: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWrg1g84Xyk

Schuyler



----- Original Message ----
From: k <katherand@...>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Monday, 15 September, 2008 2:18:59 AM
Subject: Re: [AlwaysLearning] ideas for group activites for older kids - Silent letters

I think it's called swallowed syllables or something like that in phonology
circles.

Like button in the South is not said "but - ton" ... it's rather said like
"buh - un" and feels sort of like saying "uh huh." Fennel and bottle are
not said like "fen - nel" and "bot - tuhl" but "fen-l" and "bod - l." And
yes it's dialect. The British would in many dialects pronounce bottle as
"bot - tuhl." Or something like that.

~Katherine


On 9/14/08, Sanguinegirl83@... <Sanguinegirl83@...> wrote:
>
>
> In a message dated 9/14/2008 5:08:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> Sandra@... <Sandra%40SandraDodd.com> writes:
>
> <<<Probably, and the "n" is silent in any case.>>>
>
> Speaking of silent letters... Is there a name for "semi-silent letters" or
> are they a figment of my imagination? Or maybe it tends to be a regional
> dialect kind of thing. Badminton and knife definitely have silent letters,
> but I
> hear a trace of some letters in words like the "L" in talk or the "H" in
> ghost
> and spaghetti. Granted, it has been a long, long time since English class,
> but I've always heard the difference and wondered about it. There are lots
> of
> other words, just ones I'm not being able to recall at the moment. Those
> are
> more along the lines of "companion letters", probably, and I can't recall
> the
> words/letters that have really stuck in my mind. Apparently, they unstuck.
> Or
> maybe they're just stuck down so far in the couch-cushions of my brain that
>
> they can't be found.
>
> Peace,
> De
>
> **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog,
>
> plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com.
> (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014)
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>


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k

I don't know British dialects very well but I have heard it said like I put
below *and* like "bah-o"... strongly seeming as if to say the "l" on the end
but then never saying it! Scottish and Irish are totally fascinating to
me. It's English to be sure, but foreign to my ear in so many respects.

Thanks for that youtube! Another one. That's at least 5 links I've gotten
today. ;)

~Katherine



On 9/15/08, Schuyler <s.waynforth@...> wrote:
>
> Speaking as a Nebraskan transplanted to the UK, there are a lot of
> swallowed syllables here. Berry is pronounced bre, like strawbre or rasbre
> not berry. Saint is snt, norwich is noritch, fenwick is fenick with a fairly
> hard k. And if you get into local dialects they can get quite fascinating.
> When we lived in Durham, petrol was perol with very curt two syllables,
> actually there is a fantastic Goodies Episode that puts in good northern
> dialect: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWrg1g84Xyk
>
> Schuyler
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: k <katherand@... <katherand%40gmail.com>>
> To: [email protected] <AlwaysLearning%40yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, 15 September, 2008 2:18:59 AM
> Subject: Re: [AlwaysLearning] ideas for group activites for older kids -
> Silent letters
>
> I think it's called swallowed syllables or something like that in phonology
> circles.
>
> Like button in the South is not said "but - ton" ... it's rather said like
> "buh - un" and feels sort of like saying "uh huh." Fennel and bottle are
> not said like "fen - nel" and "bot - tuhl" but "fen-l" and "bod - l." And
> yes it's dialect. The British would in many dialects pronounce bottle as
> "bot - tuhl." Or something like that.
>
> ~Katherine
>
> On 9/14/08, Sanguinegirl83@... <Sanguinegirl83%40aol.com> <
> Sanguinegirl83@... <Sanguinegirl83%40aol.com>> wrote:
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 9/14/2008 5:08:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> > Sandra@... <Sandra%40SandraDodd.com><Sandra%40SandraDodd.com> writes:
> >
> > <<<Probably, and the "n" is silent in any case.>>>
> >
> > Speaking of silent letters... Is there a name for "semi-silent letters"
> or
> > are they a figment of my imagination? Or maybe it tends to be a regional
> > dialect kind of thing. Badminton and knife definitely have silent
> letters,
> > but I
> > hear a trace of some letters in words like the "L" in talk or the "H" in
> > ghost
> > and spaghetti. Granted, it has been a long, long time since English
> class,
> > but I've always heard the difference and wondered about it. There are
> lots
> > of
> > other words, just ones I'm not being able to recall at the moment. Those
> > are
> > more along the lines of "companion letters", probably, and I can't recall
> > the
> > words/letters that have really stuck in my mind. Apparently, they
> unstuck.
> > Or
> > maybe they're just stuck down so far in the couch-cushions of my brain
> that
> >
> > they can't be found.
> >
> > Peace,
> > De
> >
> > **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion
> blog,
> >
> > plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com.
> > (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014)
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
>
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[email protected]

I just thought of one of the words I was trying to remember: talk. The "L"
is supposedly silent, but it's kind of heard. Just a small bit. Or is that one
of those cases Sandra was talking about where the gal was trying to
pronounce every available letter? :: grin :: I'm not really talking a specific
dialect, here-more "nation newscaster accent" (even though that's not really
definitive, as they all have hints of their origins in their speech as well, but I
think you get where I'm going with that description...) So, walk would be
another like that, but it's still basically the same sound, just a different
front letter. Eventually, I'll think of some more...

Peace,
De
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Sandra Dodd

-=-talk. The "L"
is supposedly silent, but it's kind of heard. Just a small bit.-=-



Oh right. "Swallowed consonant," which means (I think generally)
that it affects the way the vowel is prounounced but isn't actually
heard in it's full-on letter form. So you don't put your tongue all
the way to where the "l" sound is, but kind of toward it.



Sandra

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Jenny C

I'm not really talking a specific
> dialect, here-more "nation newscaster accent" (even though that's not
really
> definitive, as they all have hints of their origins in their speech as
well, but I
> think you get where I'm going with that description...)

The nation newscaster folks are the ones who always get laughed at by
folks from Oregon, because they always mispronounce it! Oregon is
pronounced, by Oregonians, as Ore-gun, not Or-eh-gone. You can even buy
bumper stickers that say Ore-gun on them. It's like a badge of being a
true Oregonian! I don't have one, I feel I don't qualify quite, even
though I grew up here, I was born in... du du du dumm... shhhh...
California.... don't tell anyone.

Rod Thomas

new orleens or

nawlins



-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]
On Behalf Of Jenny C
Sent: Friday, September 19, 2008 2:02 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [AlwaysLearning] Re: ideas for group activites for older kids -
Silent letters





I'm not really talking a specific
> dialect, here-more "nation newscaster accent" (even though that's not
really
> definitive, as they all have hints of their origins in their speech as
well, but I
> think you get where I'm going with that description...)

The nation newscaster folks are the ones who always get laughed at by
folks from Oregon, because they always mispronounce it! Oregon is
pronounced, by Oregonians, as Ore-gun, not Or-eh-gone. You can even buy
bumper stickers that say Ore-gun on them. It's like a badge of being a
true Oregonian! I don't have one, I feel I don't qualify quite, even
though I grew up here, I was born in... du du du dumm... shhhh...
California.... don't tell anyone.





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swissarmy_wife

this reminds me... Norfolk -or- Norfuk

I got laughed at for that one. Specially since I'm from Vermot <g>

--- In [email protected], "Rod Thomas" <rodneykathy@...>
wrote:
>
> new orleens or
>
> nawlins

Three Mommies

New Or-lee-ons is how alot of folks there say it. Some folks also say
Naw-lons.

Peace,
Jean Elizabeth
(New Orleans resident until Katrina)


On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 5:19 PM, Rod Thomas <rodneykathy@...>wrote:

> new orleens or
>
> nawlins
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected] <AlwaysLearning%40yahoogroups.com>[mailto:
> [email protected] <AlwaysLearning%40yahoogroups.com>]
> On Behalf Of Jenny C
> Sent: Friday, September 19, 2008 2:02 PM
> To: [email protected] <AlwaysLearning%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [AlwaysLearning] Re: ideas for group activites for older kids -
> Silent letters
>
> I'm not really talking a specific
> > dialect, here-more "nation newscaster accent" (even though that's not
> really
> > definitive, as they all have hints of their origins in their speech as
> well, but I
> > think you get where I'm going with that description...)
>
> The nation newscaster folks are the ones who always get laughed at by
> folks from Oregon, because they always mispronounce it! Oregon is
> pronounced, by Oregonians, as Ore-gun, not Or-eh-gone. You can even buy
> bumper stickers that say Ore-gun on them. It's like a badge of being a
> true Oregonian! I don't have one, I feel I don't qualify quite, even
> though I grew up here, I was born in... du du du dumm... shhhh...
> California.... don't tell anyone.
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>


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