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At least one would hope so!



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From: marji <marji@...>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Saturday, 28 June, 2008 7:16:38 PM
Subject: RE: [AlwaysLearning] Ways to avoid learning on Learn Nothing Day:

At 13:30 6/28/2008, you wrote:
>I thought about it and rest laying on the grass in the oak
>shadows, play wrestling with little ones and write love letters to
>your sweat heart could be not learning activities ? Making love ?

Nah-uh; there's tons and tons of learning in all of those things!

~marji


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Anne Mills

you can choose not to exercise your skills !
So
loving, resting equals learning ? Not to everyone, some might just actually leave
all territories and abandon the mind !
Anne

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> Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2008 18:19:51 +0000
> Subject: Re: [AlwaysLearning] Ways to avoid learning on Learn Nothing Day:
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> At least one would hope so!
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marji

At 14:48 6/28/2008, you wrote:

>you can choose not to exercise your skills !
>So
>loving, resting equals learning ? Not to everyone, some might just
>actually leave
>all territories and abandon the mind !
>Anne

You don't need skills or even to intentionally *switch* on your mind
to learn. How do you think infants learn to talk and walk? They
don't one day say, "I'm going to learn how to walk today." We are
learning **all** the time, whether by intention or by
default. Skills have nothing to do with it! When you're lying in a
field under the shadows of an oak, you're absorbing all kinds of
information. I cannot lie in a field and not ponder what kind of
bird or insect might be making that sound or what lies out beyond the
blue sky that I can't see or a million different things that could
pop into my mind that may have everything ~ or nothing ~ to do with
that setting. You see things, you ponder them, you form opinions
about them, you ponder the veracity of your opinions; and, you do it
consciously or unconsciously. It's all learning. When you're making
love or wrestling with a wee one, you're communicating with someone
else, and communication *always* involves lots and lots of
learning. You learn what your partner likes and/or doesn't like; you
learn how gentle you have to be, or not be. You learn what *you*
like or don't like.

I may be a big ol' party pooper on Learn Nothing Day 'cause, for the
life of me, I really don't know *how* I'll participate. Even sitting
and staring at a blank wall can be fraught with learning.

~marji



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Anne Mills

You might simply meditate - in asia they really empty the mind -
it is a striking halt to info processing in my opinion.

I just had a ha-ha moment, how interesting all this is.
How interpretation vary on a concept.
It is brilliant, human diversity.

I do not associate play and learning nor do I dissociate it.
It depends.

For yes my child is doing both at once, or perhaps sometimes alternatively.

Anne







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> To: [email protected]
> From: marji@...
> Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2008 15:11:37 -0400
> Subject: RE: [AlwaysLearning] Ways to avoid learning on Learn Nothing Day:
>
>
> At 14:48 6/28/2008, you wrote:
>
>>you can choose not to exercise your skills !
>>So
>>loving, resting equals learning ? Not to everyone, some might just
>>actually leave
>>all territories and abandon the mind !
>>Anne
>
> You don't need skills or even to intentionally *switch* on your mind
> to learn. How do you think infants learn to talk and walk? They
> don't one day say, "I'm going to learn how to walk today." We are
> learning **all** the time, whether by intention or by
> default. Skills have nothing to do with it! When you're lying in a
> field under the shadows of an oak, you're absorbing all kinds of
> information. I cannot lie in a field and not ponder what kind of
> bird or insect might be making that sound or what lies out beyond the
> blue sky that I can't see or a million different things that could
> pop into my mind that may have everything ~ or nothing ~ to do with
> that setting. You see things, you ponder them, you form opinions
> about them, you ponder the veracity of your opinions; and, you do it
> consciously or unconsciously. It's all learning. When you're making
> love or wrestling with a wee one, you're communicating with someone
> else, and communication *always* involves lots and lots of
> learning. You learn what your partner likes and/or doesn't like; you
> learn how gentle you have to be, or not be. You learn what *you*
> like or don't like.
>
> I may be a big ol' party pooper on Learn Nothing Day 'cause, for the
> life of me, I really don't know *how* I'll participate. Even sitting
> and staring at a blank wall can be fraught with learning.
>
> ~marji
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Melissa Dietrick

for me meditation is just letting my thoughts feelings awareness be...
the thoughts or feelings arise, I notice them and if i follow my
thoughts eventually I "remember" that Im there to just be aware of them---

Im not empty of thoughts, Im not empty. But standing out of the rain
as if under a tree, or in a door just watching the rain (the rain
being my thoughts...)

I cannot say Im not learning, because I am experiencing living in
those moments, in a hightened sort of way...and those moments for me
are ever so much more intense than those in which i live unconciously,
mindlessly...yet returning to mindfulness, I am again excruciatingly
aware of the not mindfulness of just a moment before...

all learning
all so *very* interesting...
melissa
in italy
mamma of 7
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> You might simply meditate - in asia they really empty the mind -
> it is a striking halt to info processing in my opinion.
>
> I just had a ha-ha moment, how interesting all this is.
> How interpretation vary on a concept.
> It is brilliant, human diversity.
>
> I do not associate play and learning nor do I dissociate it.
> It depends.
>
> For yes my child is doing both at once, or perhaps sometimes
alternatively.
>

Anne Mills

In yoga practise we aim to empty the mind for the pleasure of retrieving it after practise.
To have the flow of thought completely renewed is pretty nice.

Children can do it in an instant. Move think big, breathe, do acrobates moves, singing and jumping all in a flash.
Electric bodies and minds but they also stay still. I see them do stillness.

I d like to think that they don't need to learn as they just generate wisdom
from within.

We see learning from sooo many angles.

Anne






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> To: [email protected]
> From: melissa.dietrick@...
> Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2008 20:34:36 +0000
> Subject: [AlwaysLearning] Re: Ways to avoid learning on Learn Nothing Day:
>
>
> for me meditation is just letting my thoughts feelings awareness be...
> the thoughts or feelings arise, I notice them and if i follow my
> thoughts eventually I "remember" that Im there to just be aware of them---
>
> Im not empty of thoughts, Im not empty. But standing out of the rain
> as if under a tree, or in a door just watching the rain (the rain
> being my thoughts...)
>
> I cannot say Im not learning, because I am experiencing living in
> those moments, in a hightened sort of way...and those moments for me
> are ever so much more intense than those in which i live unconciously,
> mindlessly...yet returning to mindfulness, I am again excruciatingly
> aware of the not mindfulness of just a moment before...
>
> all learning
> all so *very* interesting...
> melissa
> in italy
> mamma of 7
> -
>
>> You might simply meditate - in asia they really empty the mind -
>> it is a striking halt to info processing in my opinion.
>>
>> I just had a ha-ha moment, how interesting all this is.
>> How interpretation vary on a concept.
>> It is brilliant, human diversity.
>>
>> I do not associate play and learning nor do I dissociate it.
>> It depends.
>>
>> For yes my child is doing both at once, or perhaps sometimes
> alternatively.
>>
>
>
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BRIAN POLIKOWSKY

I may be a big ol' party pooper on Learn Nothing Day 'cause, for the
life of me, I really don't know *how* I'll participate. Even sitting
and staring at a blank wall can be fraught with learning.
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That is why I have never been able to do "meditation".
All that talk about "empty your mind..."
It just does not work for me. My mind is a workaholic on overdrive.
The more I learn the more I realize I know so little.
There is so much learning every where, every minute.
Even if you don't realize at that moment you might later go"Oh that is what it meant/said/did/was/"
I am also not a good sleeper because it is pretty hard to turn off the thoughts at night even when super tired.
I have to work on it to get to a point that I am able to drift off to sleep.
Just so much to learn.....

 
Alex Polikowsky
http://polykow.blogspot.com/
 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/unschoolingmn/
 





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k

I do the same thing falling asleep. Brain overdrive. Ds does too. Lots of
activity helps but our minds can go *on*.

~Katherine



On 6/28/08, BRIAN POLIKOWSKY <polykowholsteins@...> wrote:
>
> I may be a big ol' party pooper on Learn Nothing Day 'cause, for the
> life of me, I really don't know *how* I'll participate. Even sitting
> and staring at a blank wall can be fraught with learning.
> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
>
> That is why I have never been able to do "meditation".
> All that talk about "empty your mind..."
> It just does not work for me. My mind is a workaholic on overdrive.
> The more I learn the more I realize I know so little.
> There is so much learning every where, every minute.
> Even if you don't realize at that moment you might later go"Oh that is what
> it meant/said/did/was/"
> I am also not a good sleeper because it is pretty hard to turn off the
> thoughts at night even when super tired.
> I have to work on it to get to a point that I am able to drift off to
> sleep.
> Just so much to learn.....
>
>
> Alex Polikowsky
> http://polykow.blogspot.com/
>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/unschoolingmn/
>
>
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>
>
>


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Ren Allen

~~You might simply meditate - in asia they really empty the mind -
it is a striking halt to info processing in my opinion.~~

Ah, but I think meditation is one of the BEST ways to help us gain
clarity and process information we've already collected. Yep, like a
sitll pool that sorts and sifts gently.

Ren
learninginfreedom.com

Sandra Dodd

-=-Children can do it in an instant. Move think big, breathe, do
acrobates moves, singing and jumping all in a flash.
Electric bodies and minds but they also stay still. I see them do
stillness.

I d like to think that they don't need to learn as they just generate
wisdom
from within.-=-

When I set up the cafe press store this afternoon for Learn Nothing
Day, I hesitated on the young children's and baby clothes. They
learn all the time for sure. But I though hey, nobody lets a toddler
shoot off the fireworks, but they still get to watch. So maybe a
little kid could watch the older people try not to learn. And
there's a really pretty yellow color on the children's t-shirt.



I know I'm still behind on

--email,

--adding translations to the Learn Nothing Day page

--editing the "how to screw it up" list (or maybe I'm caught up with
that one).



But the art is all done:

http://sandradodd.blogspot.com

and I'm going to go and work on an annotation with links of what's in
all those letters. If any of you want to try to identify things
there in the meantime, go for it! I spent some of the afternoon
making something for Pam Sorooshian who is on a train in Kansas (New
Mexico by now, but many hours late) and I'm going to meet them at the
train station with hamburgers when they call and say they're near.
I'm very happy the art is finished and up, but I still have some
things to do before just sitting back and waiting for the flawed
countdown code I found to settle out. <g>

Sandra

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Sandra Dodd

-=-I may be a big ol' party pooper on Learn Nothing Day 'cause, for the
life of me, I really don't know *how* I'll participate. Even sitting
and staring at a blank wall can be fraught with learning.-=-

Oh, well join the party! I mean... the party. . poopers.




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Sandra Dodd

-=-Im not empty of thoughts, Im not empty. But standing out of the rain
as if under a tree, or in a door just watching the rain (the rain
being my thoughts...)-=-

I can do that. I can experience something physical as a memory of
other times, and find the essence of a smell or a feeling and hang on
it for a long time with a very still brain. Maybe the first few
times I did it I was learning, but some things can happen again, and
it's just "again"--not in a bad way, but in a really good way.



Sometimes birds will hold themselves against a wind, so it seems
they're just hanging in one place without moving their wings much.
It's really pretty and I feel like I can do something like that, with
thoughts.

It never lasts too long. Five or ten minutes.

I can't do it for a whole Learn Nothing Day.



General anesthesia--that I could do. Some people fear it but I
always feel really great afterwards (and no pain during).

I don't think there's any such legal thing as elective general
anesthesia.

Sandra

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Anne Mills

lol
I love the logo - I only can imagine what some people will say...Oh that looks really lazy is n't it what you
are already doing with your kids...
Others will say oh ah tell me more...

Anne




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> To: [email protected]
> From: Sandra@...
> Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2008 03:29:54 -0600
> Subject: Re: [AlwaysLearning] Ways to avoid learning on Learn Nothing Day:
>
>
> -=-I may be a big ol' party pooper on Learn Nothing Day 'cause, for the
> life of me, I really don't know *how* I'll participate. Even sitting
> and staring at a blank wall can be fraught with learning.-=-
>
> Oh, well join the party! I mean... the party. . poopers.
>
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I kept thinking that if the school kids get a hold of this they have a
field day! (not a literal field day; because they would learn)

-Heather


--- In [email protected], Anne Mills <anne-mills@...> wrote:
>
>
> lol
> I love the logo - I only can imagine what some people will say...Oh
that looks really lazy is n't it what you
> are already doing with your kids...
> Others will say oh ah tell me more...
>
> Anne

Sandra Dodd

-=-I only can imagine what some people will say...Oh that looks
really lazy is n't it what you
are already doing with your kids...
Others will say oh ah tell me more...-=-



Well if any of you hear any good criticism, please send it on! <g>



If some of you would pass it on to other lists you're on, I'd
appreciate it!

Maybe this link would be a good one. It has a link to the Learn
Nothing Day page:

http://aboutunschooling.blogspot.com/



I'll put it on UnschoolingDiscussion, but that's the only other list
I'm on. I have a list at LilaGuide, but it's more an attachment
parenting for young moms list, and this isn't a good recommendation
to make to people who aren't unschooling yet or don't even intend
to. Just as babies and nursing moms aren't expected to fast on
religious holidays, neither should they fast on a learning holiday.
Unlike the rest of us, they have accelerated learning needs.

Sandra

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Barbara Perez

Incidentally (while on the subject of translations) my translation spurred
some internal disagreement (as so many do) about the use of the double
negative in Spanish: Part of me still wants to call it "El Dia de NO
Aprender Nada", as that sounds more natural, while my initially submitted
contribution was "El Dia de Aprender Nada" as a more literal "Learn Nothing"
day translation, which to me has some philosophical connotations (not just
that we would try NOT to learn that day, but that by "learning nothing" we
would be somehow "learning about nothing" if you will, which I realize is
contrary to the intent of the holiday :) but still struck me as meaningful
in context. So, my disclaimer is, for a purist, the transilation "El Dia de
No Aprender Nada" might be more appropriate.

On Sat, Jun 28, 2008 at 5:55 PM, Sandra Dodd <Sandra@...> wrote:

> -=-Children can do it in an instant. Move think big, breathe, do
> acrobates moves, singing and jumping all in a flash.
> Electric bodies and minds but they also stay still. I see them do
> stillness.
>
> I d like to think that they don't need to learn as they just generate
> wisdom
> from within.-=-
>
> When I set up the cafe press store this afternoon for Learn Nothing
> Day, I hesitated on the young children's and baby clothes. They
> learn all the time for sure. But I though hey, nobody lets a toddler
> shoot off the fireworks, but they still get to watch. So maybe a
> little kid could watch the older people try not to learn. And
> there's a really pretty yellow color on the children's t-shirt.
>
> I know I'm still behind on
>
> --email,
>
> --adding translations to the Learn Nothing Day page
>
> --editing the "how to screw it up" list (or maybe I'm caught up with
> that one).
>
> But the art is all done:
>
> http://sandradodd.blogspot.com
>
> and I'm going to go and work on an annotation with links of what's in
> all those letters. If any of you want to try to identify things
> there in the meantime, go for it! I spent some of the afternoon
> making something for Pam Sorooshian who is on a train in Kansas (New
> Mexico by now, but many hours late) and I'm going to meet them at the
> train station with hamburgers when they call and say they're near.
> I'm very happy the art is finished and up, but I still have some
> things to do before just sitting back and waiting for the flawed
> countdown code I found to settle out. <g>
>
> Sandra
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>


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Joanna Murphy

--- In [email protected], marji <marji@...> wrote:

>"We are learning **all** the time, whether by intention or by default."

This is the crux of the problem, as I see it--learning is like a playful little imp that jumps out
at us from behind any corner, at any time. Little do we know when, BAM!, we've been hit with
learning! How does one protect against the unseen, the unforseeable? We could barricade
the doors, but then we might be hit from within. We could go out, but no, that's way too
dangerous--the variables are mind blowing!

This problem must be solved. And then Sandra can publish a Learn Nothing Day manual, and
give complete instructions about how to properly celebrate the holiday. I'll be anxiously
waiting to download my pdf version.

Joanna ;-)

Sandra Dodd

--- In [email protected], Anne Mills <anne-mills@...> wrote:
>
>
> lol
> I love the logo -


Thanks. I smile every time I see it.

-=- I only can imagine what some people will say...Oh that looks really lazy is n't it what you
> are already doing with your kids...
> Others will say oh ah tell me more...-=-

I'm hoping some of our habitual critics and skeptics will look at it and realize it might be
time for them to stop saying anything about unschooling at all.

Sandra