[AlwaysLearning] ear piercing
Pat Cald...
I'd like to give my dd the facts on ear piercing without sensationalizing the whole thing. I got my ears pierced in a Dr's office when I was 16. I don't remember it hurting a lot. I only wear earrings occasionally. My ears get sore with certain earrings. I think being able to wear some jewelry for special occasions is nice and those clip-ons, even if you could find them, hurt.
Where is the best place to get ears pierced? It sounds like the mall is out. My older dd said she saw a sign at Wal-Mart for free ear piercings. My dd said "yea that would be great if you don't care where the whole is."
Pat
Where is the best place to get ears pierced? It sounds like the mall is out. My older dd said she saw a sign at Wal-Mart for free ear piercings. My dd said "yea that would be great if you don't care where the whole is."
Pat
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From: Nancy Wooton
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on 1/30/02 3:35 PM, Pat Cald... at homeschoolmd@... wrote:
> I couldn't think of one good reason to make her wait. Why had I said 13 in
> the past?
I offer occasionally to get my 14.5 y.o. dd's ears pierced, but so far she's
flat refused. She sensibly asked just how much it *hurts,* and I told her I
couldn't sleep for a week afterward. My first job was in a mall store that,
among other things, pierced ears; when they did kids, they got two
employees, one on each ear. They knew if they did only one, they'd *never*
get get the second in. Dd is horrified by the sight of babies with pierced
ears, because they had no choice in it.
Dd is totally unconcerned with fashion, in any case.
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My sister did mine. It's a little gross, the do it yourself method, but
it's cheep and you can mark out where you want the holes. The person
getting the piercing needs to have a strong stomach when you use the
needle method because of the crunching, grinding noise. I was eight, and
she was sixteen and I did hers too. They're not THAT crooked. = /
I had one piercing done at the mall and it turned out ok.
I and some other people I know of, can't wear earrings with nickel
content. I don't know why, but it causes some kind of reaction. Maybe
starting out with a nice pair of gold earrings would ward off
complications.
Deb L
it's cheep and you can mark out where you want the holes. The person
getting the piercing needs to have a strong stomach when you use the
needle method because of the crunching, grinding noise. I was eight, and
she was sixteen and I did hers too. They're not THAT crooked. = /
I had one piercing done at the mall and it turned out ok.
I and some other people I know of, can't wear earrings with nickel
content. I don't know why, but it causes some kind of reaction. Maybe
starting out with a nice pair of gold earrings would ward off
complications.
Deb L
[email protected]
The best and safest place I've found to get your ears pierced is from a
professional piercer (i.e. one who does nostrils, bellybuttons, tongues,
etc). They have the most sterile equipment, and they use thinner needles
than the "mall guns" so there is less chance of scarring. I'd look in the
phone book or alternative press in your area for tattoo/piercing
establishments.
Good Luck! I wonder when my kids will ask to have something pierced. I have
4 holes in my left ear (as my father said years ago, "Why do you need another
hole in your head?" what a supportive guy : P) and one in my right ear and
one through my right nostril. Hopefully they won't really start asking until
10 or so. Dh wants them to wait until their first moon cycle so it can be a
"right of passage" sign. I really like that idea, but we'll see how it goes.
DiAnna
mom to Mira (4.5) and Ila (2)
in lovely, summer-like, Asheville
professional piercer (i.e. one who does nostrils, bellybuttons, tongues,
etc). They have the most sterile equipment, and they use thinner needles
than the "mall guns" so there is less chance of scarring. I'd look in the
phone book or alternative press in your area for tattoo/piercing
establishments.
Good Luck! I wonder when my kids will ask to have something pierced. I have
4 holes in my left ear (as my father said years ago, "Why do you need another
hole in your head?" what a supportive guy : P) and one in my right ear and
one through my right nostril. Hopefully they won't really start asking until
10 or so. Dh wants them to wait until their first moon cycle so it can be a
"right of passage" sign. I really like that idea, but we'll see how it goes.
DiAnna
mom to Mira (4.5) and Ila (2)
in lovely, summer-like, Asheville
zenmomma *
>>I'd like to give my dd the facts on ear piercing without sensationalizingCasey got her ears pierced when she was 6 1/2. We had originally told her
>>the whole thing.>>
she had to wait until she was 8 because that is how old her brother was when
he pierced his ear the first time. That was a "deception." ;-) Our real
reason was that she was the most sensitive kid I have ever met. She cried
when we brushed her teeth or clipped her nails. I really thought she'd have
an extemely hard time of it. It wasn't a big deal for her to wait.
>>Where is the best place to get ears pierced?>>We got Casey's done at the Piercing Pagoda in the mall. She wanted it done
very much by that time and they did both ears at once. They put a dot on her
ear ahead of time so i could approve the hole placement. The pinch made her
wince, and it hurt a little afterward, but it wasn't really a bad experience
for her. And this kid who gets a rash from everything, even tags in her
clothing, has had no problem with earrings.
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In a message dated 1/31/02 6:01:48 AM, homeschoolmd@... writes:
<< Where is the best place to get ears pierced? It sounds like the mall is
out. >>
I don't think it's bad to do it at the mall.
After my adventures in childbirth and well-baby checkups, I'm thinking I'd
trust mall girls over doctors, if I'm not bleeding to death. (I'll probably
get over it some, but aversions are aversions.)
You could put marks right where you want the holes with a water-base marker.
LITTLE dots.
<< My older dd said she saw a sign at Wal-Mart for free ear piercings. >>
That will be "free with the purchase of some gold-post earrings," probably,
which might not be bad anyway.
Sandra
<< Where is the best place to get ears pierced? It sounds like the mall is
out. >>
I don't think it's bad to do it at the mall.
After my adventures in childbirth and well-baby checkups, I'm thinking I'd
trust mall girls over doctors, if I'm not bleeding to death. (I'll probably
get over it some, but aversions are aversions.)
You could put marks right where you want the holes with a water-base marker.
LITTLE dots.
<< My older dd said she saw a sign at Wal-Mart for free ear piercings. >>
That will be "free with the purchase of some gold-post earrings," probably,
which might not be bad anyway.
Sandra
[email protected]
I'm sad about earrings. I had mine pierced by a girlfriend in college - the
ice and needle thing. I wore earrings for years -- then in my mid 30's
developed an allergic reaction to all of them. Didn't matter what metal or
coating I put on the stems. I quit wearing them for years and then tried a
pair from Claire's which claimed they were "super" hypoallergenic - half an
hour, no deal. grumble. I miss wearing them.
Anyway -- Emma mentioned getting her ears pierced when she was six or so
because some friends were doing it, and I told her 10 would be a good time.
She was also very sensitive about pain AND I wanted to give her time to get
some perspective on her decision. But this summer, she fell in love with
Claire's boutique -- all the cutsie little hair things. We watched several
people get ears pierced -- and she took the procedure in...thought about
it...and decided to try magnetic earrings for a while. They're pretty neat.
So she wears them now and then -- more often not.
It's an alternative while they think about it.
Sharon
ice and needle thing. I wore earrings for years -- then in my mid 30's
developed an allergic reaction to all of them. Didn't matter what metal or
coating I put on the stems. I quit wearing them for years and then tried a
pair from Claire's which claimed they were "super" hypoallergenic - half an
hour, no deal. grumble. I miss wearing them.
Anyway -- Emma mentioned getting her ears pierced when she was six or so
because some friends were doing it, and I told her 10 would be a good time.
She was also very sensitive about pain AND I wanted to give her time to get
some perspective on her decision. But this summer, she fell in love with
Claire's boutique -- all the cutsie little hair things. We watched several
people get ears pierced -- and she took the procedure in...thought about
it...and decided to try magnetic earrings for a while. They're pretty neat.
So she wears them now and then -- more often not.
It's an alternative while they think about it.
Sharon
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On Thu, 31 Jan 2002 07:59:03 -0500 "Pat Cald..." <homeschoolmd@...>
writes:
mall when she was 4, which was fine except the dippy woman asked her a
question about something to distract her and then pierced the ear... so
the second ear she tried that and I said "Here it comes!", which was
better. Those stayed open maybe a year or two but eventually closed up
for lack of earrings...
Then she decided to have it done again when she was 7, but she was with
her dad at the time and they didn't check with me, and it was the
beginning of soccer season and you can't play with earrings in. So she
took 'em out, and hasn't asked again since. It really isn't a big deal to
me.
I remember I got my ears pierced when Amy Carter was allowed to pierce
hers, I'm just about exactly her age so maybe I was 8? It was a big deal
then among girls my age, if the president's daughter could do it, we
could too ;-)
Dar
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> Where is the best place to get ears pierced? It sounds like theCacie got hers pierced twice, at her request. The first time was at the
> mall is out. My older dd said she saw a sign at Wal-Mart for free
> ear piercings. My dd said "yea that would be great if you don't
> care where the whole is.
mall when she was 4, which was fine except the dippy woman asked her a
question about something to distract her and then pierced the ear... so
the second ear she tried that and I said "Here it comes!", which was
better. Those stayed open maybe a year or two but eventually closed up
for lack of earrings...
Then she decided to have it done again when she was 7, but she was with
her dad at the time and they didn't check with me, and it was the
beginning of soccer season and you can't play with earrings in. So she
took 'em out, and hasn't asked again since. It really isn't a big deal to
me.
I remember I got my ears pierced when Amy Carter was allowed to pierce
hers, I'm just about exactly her age so maybe I was 8? It was a big deal
then among girls my age, if the president's daughter could do it, we
could too ;-)
Dar
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rsrascals@... wrote:
http://www.bmeworld.com/heidi/guns.html
On why NOT to get a Gun Piercing.
Peggy
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
why a needle piercing is superior to a gun piercing
by Lish Daelnar
1. sterilization:
- guns cannot be autoclaved. if put in an autoclave (sterilization
device), it will melt. the only sterile part about the gun
piercing is the stud itself, which is not acceptable when placed
into a non-sterile environment (read: the gun itself.) guns are
sanitized (not sterilized; big difference) with windex, which will
not kill hep-b, hep-c, & most of the microbes that cause
infection, nor will it clean up the spray of plasma & if blood,
perhaps blood-borne pathogens, from the previous customer.
- every tool used in a 'needle pierce' is autoclaved, not just the
jewelry. this includes the forceps, needle, the jewelry, ring
opening / ring closing pliers, the rubber band that holds the
tension on the forceps, right down to the field on which the
bacitracin is squeezed. (bacitracin is used as lubrication to
make it easier for the needle & jewlery to go through the skin.)
- cleanliness of the piercer. to be a "pro with a gun", the
"piercer"
must only know how to load the gun & aim straight. this does not
account for cross-contamination from touching other objects with
latex gloves on, nor does it cover the occasional spray of blood
from a previous piercee, from which the gun cannot be properly
cleansed. professional piercers are trained in how to prevent
cross-contamination & the transmission of blood-borne pathogens
& you'll see them changing their gloves every time they touch
something non-autoclaved. the APP (the association of professional
piercers) watches over procedures & if you're being pierced by an
APP-approved shop, you know the piercer has been through
the classes that teach him these things. the "piercers" that work
in the mall & use guns have no such organization.
- the stud itself. the gun can only hold a butterfly-back stud, & if
you've ever seen one, you know that they're difficult to clean
properly. dried lymph fluids (& sometimes, initially, blood) get
caught in this backing & make it easier to contract infection.
initial 'needle-pierce' jewelry is generally a ring, which makes
cleaning much easier due to there being nowhere for discharge,
hair, dirt, & bacteria to get stuck. studs also have a tendency to
become wrapped with hair, which can imbed the hair in the
piercing.
2. trauma to the ear:
- as previously stated, the gun can only hold one type of stud, the
dimensions of which happen to be 18ga, approximately 1/4" in
length. this small gauge is generally inappropriate for any area
of cartilage (upper ear, nostrils) for two reasons. one, it's
tougher to heal a small hole than it is a large one. a dermal
punched (like a big hole punch) 2ga ear cartilage piercing will
heal months faster than a 18ga gun OR needle pierce in the same
area of tissue, on the same person, due to the surface area
involved. the second reason concerns the initial hole size.
cartilage should be pierced with a step larger needle than jewelry
(14ga needle with 16ga jewelry, et cetera), as this gives the
cartilage some room to grow in around the piercing. i've proven
this on myself - the only cartilage piercings i'm still having
trouble with were pierced with either the same size needle as
jewlery or a gun.
- when a gun piercing is performed, the end of the stud is what
creates
the hole. this is much more traumatic for the ear, as the stud
isn't nearly sharp enough to avoid compacting the tissue, leading
to a longer healing period. a needle is razor-sharp & carves a
cresent-shaped hole in the ear which is stretched round as the
rest of the needle continues through the newly made hole. less
compacted tissue leads to quicker healing.
- the length of the stud, 1/4", is too short to allow for swelling.
the
pierce needs to be given room to swell so as to prevent pain &
possible imbedding of the stud in the ear. rings used as initial
jewelry, which cannot be installed with a gun piercing, when sized
properly, give plenty of room to swell. rings are chosen based on
the size of the person's ear to be pierced (standard is 3/8" to
5/8" in diameter). this cannot be done with a gun.
3. pain:
- a quick push with a razor-sharp needle is less painful than an
equally
quick click of a dull stud tearing a hole through tissue. a good
professional piercer can move a needle just as fast as the gun
moves the stud.
- the ear is less sensitive when it has proper room to swell. even
my
large gauge ear piercings were MUCH less sore the next day than my
regular gauge gunned earlobe piercings, even though the procedure
of my larger ones (pierce at 12ga, tapered stretch immediately to
6ga * ) was rather traumatic to the lobe tissues.
( * initial stretching this quickly was improper. i had asked to
be pierced at 10ga, which would have prevented the slight tearing
i experienced along the edges of the cresent cut by the needle.)
why a gun piercing is superior to a needle piercing:
- gun piercings generally run two for ten dollars. needle piercings,
including the jewelry, are normally twenty for one, depending on
the chosen jewlery.
- gun piercings look less scary than needle piercings. there are
less
tools involved & no inch & a half long needle.
any body part other than an ear generally cannot be fit into a gun.
there
have been cases of nipple & navel pierces with a gun, but they can
easily
be torn out with such a small gauge, & as well, there's no room for
the
body part to swell (& body piercings often swell much more than
earlobes.)
i've covered the two major reasons cartilage shouldn't be pierced
with a
gun, due to the stud itself, & that doesn't even get into
sterilization.
lobes can be pierced successfully at 18ga, although the stud still
leaves
insufficient room for swelling, as well as the evil of the butterfly
backs.
>Here's some info from:
> The best and safest place I've found to get your ears pierced is from a
> professional piercer (i.e. one who does nostrils, bellybuttons, tongues,
> etc). They have the most sterile equipment, and they use thinner needles
> than the "mall guns" so there is less chance of scarring. I'd look in the
> phone book or alternative press in your area for tattoo/piercing
> establishments.
http://www.bmeworld.com/heidi/guns.html
On why NOT to get a Gun Piercing.
Peggy
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
why a needle piercing is superior to a gun piercing
by Lish Daelnar
1. sterilization:
- guns cannot be autoclaved. if put in an autoclave (sterilization
device), it will melt. the only sterile part about the gun
piercing is the stud itself, which is not acceptable when placed
into a non-sterile environment (read: the gun itself.) guns are
sanitized (not sterilized; big difference) with windex, which will
not kill hep-b, hep-c, & most of the microbes that cause
infection, nor will it clean up the spray of plasma & if blood,
perhaps blood-borne pathogens, from the previous customer.
- every tool used in a 'needle pierce' is autoclaved, not just the
jewelry. this includes the forceps, needle, the jewelry, ring
opening / ring closing pliers, the rubber band that holds the
tension on the forceps, right down to the field on which the
bacitracin is squeezed. (bacitracin is used as lubrication to
make it easier for the needle & jewlery to go through the skin.)
- cleanliness of the piercer. to be a "pro with a gun", the
"piercer"
must only know how to load the gun & aim straight. this does not
account for cross-contamination from touching other objects with
latex gloves on, nor does it cover the occasional spray of blood
from a previous piercee, from which the gun cannot be properly
cleansed. professional piercers are trained in how to prevent
cross-contamination & the transmission of blood-borne pathogens
& you'll see them changing their gloves every time they touch
something non-autoclaved. the APP (the association of professional
piercers) watches over procedures & if you're being pierced by an
APP-approved shop, you know the piercer has been through
the classes that teach him these things. the "piercers" that work
in the mall & use guns have no such organization.
- the stud itself. the gun can only hold a butterfly-back stud, & if
you've ever seen one, you know that they're difficult to clean
properly. dried lymph fluids (& sometimes, initially, blood) get
caught in this backing & make it easier to contract infection.
initial 'needle-pierce' jewelry is generally a ring, which makes
cleaning much easier due to there being nowhere for discharge,
hair, dirt, & bacteria to get stuck. studs also have a tendency to
become wrapped with hair, which can imbed the hair in the
piercing.
2. trauma to the ear:
- as previously stated, the gun can only hold one type of stud, the
dimensions of which happen to be 18ga, approximately 1/4" in
length. this small gauge is generally inappropriate for any area
of cartilage (upper ear, nostrils) for two reasons. one, it's
tougher to heal a small hole than it is a large one. a dermal
punched (like a big hole punch) 2ga ear cartilage piercing will
heal months faster than a 18ga gun OR needle pierce in the same
area of tissue, on the same person, due to the surface area
involved. the second reason concerns the initial hole size.
cartilage should be pierced with a step larger needle than jewelry
(14ga needle with 16ga jewelry, et cetera), as this gives the
cartilage some room to grow in around the piercing. i've proven
this on myself - the only cartilage piercings i'm still having
trouble with were pierced with either the same size needle as
jewlery or a gun.
- when a gun piercing is performed, the end of the stud is what
creates
the hole. this is much more traumatic for the ear, as the stud
isn't nearly sharp enough to avoid compacting the tissue, leading
to a longer healing period. a needle is razor-sharp & carves a
cresent-shaped hole in the ear which is stretched round as the
rest of the needle continues through the newly made hole. less
compacted tissue leads to quicker healing.
- the length of the stud, 1/4", is too short to allow for swelling.
the
pierce needs to be given room to swell so as to prevent pain &
possible imbedding of the stud in the ear. rings used as initial
jewelry, which cannot be installed with a gun piercing, when sized
properly, give plenty of room to swell. rings are chosen based on
the size of the person's ear to be pierced (standard is 3/8" to
5/8" in diameter). this cannot be done with a gun.
3. pain:
- a quick push with a razor-sharp needle is less painful than an
equally
quick click of a dull stud tearing a hole through tissue. a good
professional piercer can move a needle just as fast as the gun
moves the stud.
- the ear is less sensitive when it has proper room to swell. even
my
large gauge ear piercings were MUCH less sore the next day than my
regular gauge gunned earlobe piercings, even though the procedure
of my larger ones (pierce at 12ga, tapered stretch immediately to
6ga * ) was rather traumatic to the lobe tissues.
( * initial stretching this quickly was improper. i had asked to
be pierced at 10ga, which would have prevented the slight tearing
i experienced along the edges of the cresent cut by the needle.)
why a gun piercing is superior to a needle piercing:
- gun piercings generally run two for ten dollars. needle piercings,
including the jewelry, are normally twenty for one, depending on
the chosen jewlery.
- gun piercings look less scary than needle piercings. there are
less
tools involved & no inch & a half long needle.
any body part other than an ear generally cannot be fit into a gun.
there
have been cases of nipple & navel pierces with a gun, but they can
easily
be torn out with such a small gauge, & as well, there's no room for
the
body part to swell (& body piercings often swell much more than
earlobes.)
i've covered the two major reasons cartilage shouldn't be pierced
with a
gun, due to the stud itself, & that doesn't even get into
sterilization.
lobes can be pierced successfully at 18ga, although the stud still
leaves
insufficient room for swelling, as well as the evil of the butterfly
backs.
Nanci Kuykendall
I never did get my ears pierced. I am not
particularly squeamish, well, not at all really,
except when it comes to needles + my body. Then I
start to turn a little green. That and I figured out
when I was a kid that I LOVED earrings. I was
fascinated by them. I fondled them in stores, I
bought them as gifts for friends, I looked longingly
at them wherever they could be found, I still notice
them whenever people wear them. I decided that if I
ever got my ears pierced, I would spend every penny I
had on earrings. LOL
But seriously, I have hair like Sandra's and they
would no doubt irritate the heck out of me getting all
tangled up in my hair. I already have hairs pulled
out every day by my glasses, much to my irritation,
and I HAVE to wear those.
Nanci K.
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particularly squeamish, well, not at all really,
except when it comes to needles + my body. Then I
start to turn a little green. That and I figured out
when I was a kid that I LOVED earrings. I was
fascinated by them. I fondled them in stores, I
bought them as gifts for friends, I looked longingly
at them wherever they could be found, I still notice
them whenever people wear them. I decided that if I
ever got my ears pierced, I would spend every penny I
had on earrings. LOL
But seriously, I have hair like Sandra's and they
would no doubt irritate the heck out of me getting all
tangled up in my hair. I already have hairs pulled
out every day by my glasses, much to my irritation,
and I HAVE to wear those.
Nanci K.
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Joylyn
Lexie wanted her ears pieced about a year
ago. I said I needed to think about it, and
that my biggest concern was that she needed
to be able to care for them herself, with
minimal help from me. I think we agreed to
think about it more and re visit the issue a
bit later. A few months later one of her
friends got her ears pieced, and told Lexie
it hurt a LOT. I asked Lexie before
Christmas if she was still thinking about it
and she told me no, maybe when she's older.
I'm ok with that, but I'm surprised, 6 years
ago I would have said she had to wait until
13, which is what I was told. Now I don't
really care, I'm coming a long way. Dar, say
you are proud of me.
Joylyn
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ago. I said I needed to think about it, and
that my biggest concern was that she needed
to be able to care for them herself, with
minimal help from me. I think we agreed to
think about it more and re visit the issue a
bit later. A few months later one of her
friends got her ears pieced, and told Lexie
it hurt a LOT. I asked Lexie before
Christmas if she was still thinking about it
and she told me no, maybe when she's older.
I'm ok with that, but I'm surprised, 6 years
ago I would have said she had to wait until
13, which is what I was told. Now I don't
really care, I'm coming a long way. Dar, say
you are proud of me.
Joylyn
zenmomma * wrote:
>--
>
> >>I'd like to give my dd the facts on ear
> piercing without sensationalizing
> >>the whole thing.>>
>
> Casey got her ears pierced when she was 6
> 1/2. We had originally told her
> she had to wait until she was 8 because
> that is how old her brother was when
> he pierced his ear the first time. That was
> a "deception." ;-) Our real
> reason was that she was the most sensitive
> kid I have ever met. She cried
> when we brushed her teeth or clipped her
> nails. I really thought she'd have
> an extemely hard time of it. It wasn't a
> big deal for her to wait.
>
> >>Where is the best place to get ears
> pierced?>>
>
> We got Casey's done at the Piercing Pagoda
> in the mall. She wanted it done
> very much by that time and they did both
> ears at once. They put a dot on her
> ear ahead of time so i could approve the
> hole placement. The pinch made her
> wince, and it hurt a little afterward, but
> it wasn't really a bad experience
> for her. And this kid who gets a rash from
> everything, even tags in her
> clothing, has had no problem with earrings.
>
>
>
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On Thu, 31 Jan 2002 12:30:53 -0800 Joylyn <joylyn@...> writes:
Do you think having Janene helped sort of lead you down this path? I was
wondering about that. I've always thought that Lexie was the kind of kid
who would go along with a lot of the structures and rules, and really
wanted to do what would make everyone feel comfortable... but Janene
seems much more determined to do things her own way.
I have another friend who probably would have schooled the whole way
through if she had only had one kid, but kid #2 so clearly would not
have survived it, so she ended up eclectically homeschooling both...
Dar
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> I'm ok with that, but I'm surprised, 6 yearsYou've come a long way, baby... ;-)
> ago I would have said she had to wait until
> 13, which is what I was told. Now I don't
> really care, I'm coming a long way. Dar, say
> you are proud of me.
Do you think having Janene helped sort of lead you down this path? I was
wondering about that. I've always thought that Lexie was the kind of kid
who would go along with a lot of the structures and rules, and really
wanted to do what would make everyone feel comfortable... but Janene
seems much more determined to do things her own way.
I have another friend who probably would have schooled the whole way
through if she had only had one kid, but kid #2 so clearly would not
have survived it, so she ended up eclectically homeschooling both...
Dar
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Do you think being compliant is genetic? I think some may be more easy going than others but I have a *feeling*, no real proof, that parents that can get their kids to do the school thing without a battle have somehow removed a piece of the whole person in order to get them to comply. It doesn't appear that hard to do. All they have to do is tell them they are just children and need to do what they are told and certainly we've all heard a lot worse than that.
Pat
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Subject: Re: [AlwaysLearning] ear piercing
On Thu, 31 Jan 2002 12:30:53 -0800 Joylyn <joylyn@...> writes:
> I'm ok with that, but I'm surprised, 6 years
> ago I would have said she had to wait until
> 13, which is what I was told. Now I don't
> really care, I'm coming a long way. Dar, say
> you are proud of me.
You've come a long way, baby... ;-)
Do you think having Janene helped sort of lead you down this path? I was
wondering about that. I've always thought that Lexie was the kind of kid
who would go along with a lot of the structures and rules, and really
wanted to do what would make everyone feel comfortable... but Janene
seems much more determined to do things her own way.
I have another friend who probably would have schooled the whole way
through if she had only had one kid, but kid #2 so clearly would not
have survived it, so she ended up eclectically homeschooling both...
Dar
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In a message dated 1/31/02 2:28:22 PM, homeschoolmd@... writes:
<< Do you think being compliant is genetic? I think some may be more easy
going than others >>
Yes.
In some cases, I think it is.
I said of a friend today "she has no adrenaline in her whole body."
Some people do not get upset or unhappy. They go along. Biochemical
advantage.
<<...but I have a *feeling*, no real proof, that parents that can get their
kids to do the school thing without a battle have somehow removed a piece of
the whole person in order to get them to comply.>>
Maybe that part was just never there.
Or maybe school is better than home for that child for some reason.
It was for me.
Sandra
<< Do you think being compliant is genetic? I think some may be more easy
going than others >>
Yes.
In some cases, I think it is.
I said of a friend today "she has no adrenaline in her whole body."
Some people do not get upset or unhappy. They go along. Biochemical
advantage.
<<...but I have a *feeling*, no real proof, that parents that can get their
kids to do the school thing without a battle have somehow removed a piece of
the whole person in order to get them to comply.>>
Maybe that part was just never there.
Or maybe school is better than home for that child for some reason.
It was for me.
Sandra
Pat Cald...
From: SandraDodd@...
Some people do not get upset or unhappy. They go along. Biochemical
advantage.
Yes, but do they ever really feel anything with intensity? I don't know if I would want to give up my intensity even if at times I can't sleep because of it. Once I got so excited about plans I was making for a garden, A GARDEN, that I woke up and couldn't get back to sleep because of the adrenaline. Some people would think that is a little strange, I just call it passion! ahhhhhhhh <bwg>
Pat
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Some people do not get upset or unhappy. They go along. Biochemical
advantage.
Yes, but do they ever really feel anything with intensity? I don't know if I would want to give up my intensity even if at times I can't sleep because of it. Once I got so excited about plans I was making for a garden, A GARDEN, that I woke up and couldn't get back to sleep because of the adrenaline. Some people would think that is a little strange, I just call it passion! ahhhhhhhh <bwg>
Pat
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Sharon Rudd
. I wore earrings for years --
metal, . All (well all of I know of) gold is an alloy.
It is most likely, the other stuff in there, to which
you are reacting . Pure gold is just too soft for most
jewelery.
Sharon of the Swamp
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> then in my mid 30'sHave you tried platinum? It is a non-reactive, hard
> developed an allergic reaction to all of them.
> Didn't matter what metal or
> coating I put on the stems. I quit wearing them for
> years and then tried a
> pair from Claire's which claimed they were "super"
> hypoallergenic - half an
> hour, no deal. grumble. I miss wearing them.
metal, . All (well all of I know of) gold is an alloy.
It is most likely, the other stuff in there, to which
you are reacting . Pure gold is just too soft for most
jewelery.
Sharon of the Swamp
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Perhaps it was a "growing moon"
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--- "Pat Cald..." <homeschoolmd@...> wrote:
> From: SandraDodd@...__________________________________________________
> Some people do not get upset or unhappy. They go
> along. Biochemical
> advantage.
>
> Yes, but do they ever really feel anything with
> intensity? I don't know if I would want to give up
> my intensity even if at times I can't sleep because
> of it. Once I got so excited about plans I was
> making for a garden, A GARDEN, that I woke up and
> couldn't get back to sleep because of the
> adrenaline. Some people would think that is a
> little strange, I just call it passion! ahhhhhhhh
> <bwg>
>
> Pat
>
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Tia Leschke
>So do I. I finally found a pair of simple studs to wear all the
>But seriously, I have hair like Sandra's and they
>would no doubt irritate the heck out of me getting all
>tangled up in my hair.
time. They don't bother me when I sleep, and don't get tangled in my
hair. I save the danglies to wear when my hair is pulled back or up.
Tia
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In a message dated 1/31/02 4:35:48 PM, homeschoolmd@... writes:
<< Some people do not get upset or unhappy. They go along. Biochemical
advantage.
<<Yes, but do they ever really feel anything with intensity? >>
Not that I've seen. And which is better? To never get thrilled but never be
heartbroken, or to have ecstacy and depression?
I've heard it said various ways that as high as your high is, that's how low
your low will be too. The variation from baseline is small for some people
and I envy them sometimes.
Sandra
<< Some people do not get upset or unhappy. They go along. Biochemical
advantage.
<<Yes, but do they ever really feel anything with intensity? >>
Not that I've seen. And which is better? To never get thrilled but never be
heartbroken, or to have ecstacy and depression?
I've heard it said various ways that as high as your high is, that's how low
your low will be too. The variation from baseline is small for some people
and I envy them sometimes.
Sandra
Bronwen
oh gol, my daughter asked and asked and begged and begged EVERY day for a
month to have her ears pierced- I explained how it would really hurt, got
her stick-on earrings, magnet earrings, told her how she would have to clean
them and if she didn't, how they might get infected... and I finally took
her down there, as she looked at her new earrings in the mirror crying, she
said "pretty..so pretty!"
I got gruff for it from some people because she was only 2, when I would
say- "but she really, really wanted them.." they would look at me like
RIGHT- *you* just wanted them. but she cleaned them herself every day
twice.
Got the same kind of gruff when I took her to ballet class when she was
three- (she had been begging for a year) She loves dance SO much- she knew
herself even when she was a little gal (now she is 13)-
Funny how when your kid does something "late" (ds 9 not reading) people say
it is because of something you did- and if they do something "early" (dd
wanting pierced ears) it is because of what you did...like our societies'
whole framework leaves out the fact of the child as a person at all.
Bronwen
month to have her ears pierced- I explained how it would really hurt, got
her stick-on earrings, magnet earrings, told her how she would have to clean
them and if she didn't, how they might get infected... and I finally took
her down there, as she looked at her new earrings in the mirror crying, she
said "pretty..so pretty!"
I got gruff for it from some people because she was only 2, when I would
say- "but she really, really wanted them.." they would look at me like
RIGHT- *you* just wanted them. but she cleaned them herself every day
twice.
Got the same kind of gruff when I took her to ballet class when she was
three- (she had been begging for a year) She loves dance SO much- she knew
herself even when she was a little gal (now she is 13)-
Funny how when your kid does something "late" (ds 9 not reading) people say
it is because of something you did- and if they do something "early" (dd
wanting pierced ears) it is because of what you did...like our societies'
whole framework leaves out the fact of the child as a person at all.
Bronwen
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In a message dated 1/31/02 6:51:34 PM, bearspawprint@... writes:
<< Have you tried platinum? >>
well no.
*looks at her collection: gold (14, 28), sterling silver, surgical steel,
hypoallergenic steel, various odd metals including some kind of tungsten
blend which the jeweler swore would be non-reactive*
I didn't even know earring stems CAME in platinum. Another thing to try.
Thanks
Sharon.
<< Have you tried platinum? >>
well no.
*looks at her collection: gold (14, 28), sterling silver, surgical steel,
hypoallergenic steel, various odd metals including some kind of tungsten
blend which the jeweler swore would be non-reactive*
I didn't even know earring stems CAME in platinum. Another thing to try.
Thanks
Sharon.
Nancy Wooton
on 1/31/02 3:59 PM, Tia Leschke at leschke@... wrote:
<ggg>
Nancy
> I finally found a pair of simple studsYou wanna loan me one?
<ggg>
Nancy
Pam Hartley
>I finally found a pair of simple studsNancy stole MY line, so I'll have to go with:
Are there any other kind?
<g>
Pam
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Tia Leschke
>on 1/31/02 3:59 PM, Tia Leschke at leschke@... wrote:You wouldn't want a simple one, would you?
>
> > I finally found a pair of simple studs
>
>You wanna loan me one?
<g>
Tia
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meghan anderson
<<<<I have 4 holes in my left ear (as my father said
years ago, "Why do you need another
hole in your head?" what a supportive guy : P) and
one in my right ear and
one through my right nostril.
DiAnna
mom to Mira (4.5) and Ila (2)
in lovely, summer-like, Asheville>>>>
Now that's eerie.
I have 3 holes in my left ear, one in my right ear and
one through my right nostril as well.
Meghan
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years ago, "Why do you need another
hole in your head?" what a supportive guy : P) and
one in my right ear and
one through my right nostril.
DiAnna
mom to Mira (4.5) and Ila (2)
in lovely, summer-like, Asheville>>>>
Now that's eerie.
I have 3 holes in my left ear, one in my right ear and
one through my right nostril as well.
Meghan
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meghan anderson
<<<<I remember I got my ears pierced when Amy Carter
was allowed to pierce
hers, I'm just about exactly her age so maybe I was 8?
It was a big
deal
then among girls my age, if the president's daughter
could do it, we
could too ;-)
Dar>>>>
When I was 7, my mom and I went and got our ears
pierced together. It was a real bonding moment <g>. It
was 1971.
Meghan
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was allowed to pierce
hers, I'm just about exactly her age so maybe I was 8?
It was a big
deal
then among girls my age, if the president's daughter
could do it, we
could too ;-)
Dar>>>>
When I was 7, my mom and I went and got our ears
pierced together. It was a real bonding moment <g>. It
was 1971.
Meghan
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meghan anderson
<<<<But seriously, I have hair like Sandra's and they
would no doubt irritate the heck out of me getting all
tangled up in my hair. I already have hairs pulled
out every day by my glasses, much to my irritation,
and I HAVE to wear those.
Nanci K.>>>>
I have curly and long(ish) hair of an uncontrollable
variety. I wear hoops, so my hair never gets tangled
in my earrings (everything else does, but not my
earrings <bg>).
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would no doubt irritate the heck out of me getting all
tangled up in my hair. I already have hairs pulled
out every day by my glasses, much to my irritation,
and I HAVE to wear those.
Nanci K.>>>>
I have curly and long(ish) hair of an uncontrollable
variety. I wear hoops, so my hair never gets tangled
in my earrings (everything else does, but not my
earrings <bg>).
Meghan
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><<<<I have 4 holes in my left ear <snip> andI have two in each ear that *rarely* have earrings in and one in my right
>one in my right ear and
>one through my right nostril.
>
>DiAnna
>Now that's eerie.
>I have 3 holes in my left ear, one in my right ear and
>one through my right nostril as well.
>Meghan
nostril and a really odd scar from my navel. That one came out during my
last pregnancy since it is funny looking to be 9 months along with belly
button ring.
Elissa, who will soon be singing
Yippee - Kai - Yay!
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Elissa,
I contemplated the bellybutton piercing, but decided against the "poptop"
look while pregnant and then was super glad when, post-pregnancy, my navel
almost entirely disappeared due to all those stretch marks!!
DiAnna, who has never had occasion to sing anything vaguely like "Yippee
Kai-Yay"
I contemplated the bellybutton piercing, but decided against the "poptop"
look while pregnant and then was super glad when, post-pregnancy, my navel
almost entirely disappeared due to all those stretch marks!!
DiAnna, who has never had occasion to sing anything vaguely like "Yippee
Kai-Yay"
zenmomma *
>>When I was 7, my mom and I went and got our earspierced together. It was a real bonding moment <g>. It
was 1971.>>
I got mine pierced a few years before my mom. She loves to tell the story of
when I was 16 and we were shopping. Apparently I lured her into a jewelry
store to look for earrings for me, and then told them my mom was there to
get her ears pierced. (She had been wanting to, but was afraid.) She said
there was no way she was going to embarrass herself and back out after I
said that. So she got them done.
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>I did my mother's with the old ice for freezing, needle and thread into a
>
>I got mine pierced a few years before my mom. She loves to tell the story of
>when I was 16 and we were shopping. Apparently I lured her into a jewelry
>store to look for earrings for me, and then told them my mom was there to
>get her ears pierced. (She had been wanting to, but was afraid.) She said
>there was no way she was going to embarrass herself and back out after I
>said that. So she got them done.
potato method that had been used for mine a couple of years earlier.
Tia
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