Sandra Dodd

Long ago I saw a list of what unschooling is called in other
countries. I can't remember now whether it was a list I made. DOH!

Can we please list some alternate terms--what they call it in England
and Australia and Canada and such? I don't mean the synonyms people
use when they're trying to describe it (and I'm about to get so tired
of "child-directed" I could break into tears), but what anyone
anywhere (and not just in English) calls the kind of homeschooling
we're doing.

Thanks.

I'll be in Santa Fe most of today, so if new members find their posts
in limbo, sorry. I'll come and release them like little doves this
evening (and don't be poopin' on people when you fly out).

Sandra

Schuyler

It's autonomous education in the UK. Sometimes free-range education. But, mainly, autonomous education.

Schuyler
www.wanforth.blogspot.com


----- Original Message ----
From: Sandra Dodd <Sandra@...>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Friday, 13 June, 2008 3:18:57 PM
Subject: [AlwaysLearning] other names for "unschooling"

Long ago I saw a list of what unschooling is called in other
countries. I can't remember now whether it was a list I made. DOH!

Can we please list some alternate terms--what they call it in England
and Australia and Canada and such? I don't mean the synonyms people
use when they're trying to describe it (and I'm about to get so tired
of "child-directed" I could break into tears), but what anyone
anywhere (and not just in English) calls the kind of homeschooling
we're doing.

Thanks.

I'll be in Santa Fe most of today, so if new members find their posts
in limbo, sorry. I'll come and release them like little doves this
evening (and don't be poopin' on people when you fly out).

Sandra

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Yahoo! Groups Links



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:: anne | arun ::

its "natural learning" in australia.... although the term
"unschooling" is getting more profile of late.

most natural learners would use that term to describe a lack of
curriculum and not RU, which is relatively rare around here.

arun

_____________________________________________

http://www.theparentingpit.com








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Robin Bentley

In Canada, it's "unschooling", though it may vary by province or
region. In the Vancouver, B.C. area, "homelearning" appears to be
interchangeable with "unschooling."

Robin B.

On Jun 13, 2008, at 7:18 AM, Sandra Dodd wrote:

> Long ago I saw a list of what unschooling is called in other
> countries. I can't remember now whether it was a list I made. DOH!
>
> Can we please list some alternate terms--what they call it in England
> and Australia and Canada and such? I don't mean the synonyms people
> use when they're trying to describe it (and I'm about to get so tired
> of "child-directed" I could break into tears), but what anyone
> anywhere (and not just in English) calls the kind of homeschooling
> we're doing.
>
> Thanks.
>
> I'll be in Santa Fe most of today, so if new members find their posts
> in limbo, sorry. I'll come and release them like little doves this
> evening (and don't be poopin' on people when you fly out).
>
> Sandra
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

Sandra Dodd

-=-most natural learners would use that term to describe a lack of
curriculum and not RU, which is relatively rare around here.-=-

If anyone has any influence over usage (or is an editor of anything
that gets printed), please, please try to discourage the use of "RU"
for radical unschooling, if possible, if you can. It doesn't add
clarity. We have enough problem with just the word "unschooling"
without people using "RU." I'm not.



But other than that, thanks for "natural learners." Thanks for ideas
for the list, partly because it's good to know, and mostly because
something needs to be translated into Italian.

Sandra

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keetry

--- In [email protected], Sandra Dodd <Sandra@...> wrote:
>
> -=-most natural learners would use that term to describe a lack of
> curriculum and not RU, which is relatively rare around here.-=-
>
> If anyone has any influence over usage (or is an editor of anything
> that gets printed), please, please try to discourage the use
of "RU"
> for radical unschooling, if possible, if you can. It doesn't add
> clarity. We have enough problem with just the word "unschooling"
> without people using "RU."

Just to clarify, are you asking that people not use just the
acronym "RU" or that they not use the term "radical unshooling" at
all? Thanks.

Alysia

Sandra Dodd

Just to clarify, are you asking that people not use just the
acronym "RU" or that they not use the term "radical unshooling" at
all? Thanks.

Do people say "Rooo"? I thought they were saying Are YOU.

I hate either one. I don't like RU.



I don't love "radical unschooling," but I love for people to use
English rather than recently created secret code.



Sandra

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Jessica

How about just learning from life or living life? The problem is that most of our society is all wrapped around certain life cycles: birth/school/work/retirement (in a nutshell) and not considering that there are other possibilities...

It's hard to explain that & mostpeople (thanks to e.e.cummings) are of the above mindset & can't easily see outside it... a lot of people think kids have to have lessons/schoolwork/paperwork... maybe some do or some want that...
I rarely explain what we "do"... for us everything is wide open but I get a sense of who it's safe to tell that... I just say "yeah, we homeschool" and usually leave it at that.

Re: secret code, hate that also, lol...

> I don't love "radical unschooling," but I love for people to use
> English rather than recently created secret code.

Jessica

Nancy Wooton

On Jun 15, 2008, at 10:50 AM, Jessica wrote:

> How about just learning from life or living life? The problem is
> that most of our society is all wrapped around certain life cycles:
> birth/school/work/retirement (in a nutshell) and not considering
> that there are other possibilities...
>
> It's hard to explain that & mostpeople (thanks to e.e.cummings) are
> of the above mindset & can't easily see outside it... a lot of
> people think kids have to have lessons/schoolwork/paperwork... maybe
> some do or some want that...
> I rarely explain what we "do"... for us everything is wide open but
> I get a sense of who it's safe to tell that... I just say "yeah, we
> homeschool" and usually leave it at that.
>
> Re: secret code, hate that also, lol...
>
>> I don't love "radical unschooling," but I love for people to use
>> English rather than recently created secret code.
>
> Jessica


Wikipedia has this to say under "Alternative Education":

Home-based education
Main article: Homeschooling
Families who seek alternatives based on educational, philosophical, or
religious reasons, or if there appears to be no nearby educational
alternative can decide to have home-based education. Some call
themselves unschoolers, for they follow an approach based on interest,
rather than a set curriculum. Others enroll in umbrella schools which
provide a curriculum to follow. Many choose this alternative for
religious-based reasons, but practitioners of home-based education are
of all backgrounds and philosophies.


Curious unschooler that I am, I followed their hotlink to
"unschoolers," and found, on a list of unschooling advocats, that
Sandra has her own Wikipedia page.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandra_Dodd



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keetry

--- In [email protected], Sandra Dodd <Sandra@...>
wrote:
>
> Do people say "Rooo"? I thought they were saying Are YOU.

I've never heard it spoken, only seen it written. In my head, it was
always an acronym for radical unschooling (RU). A lot easier to type
the acronym than the whole words.

> I hate either one. I don't like RU.
>
>
>
> I don't love "radical unschooling," but I love for people to use
> English rather than recently created secret code.


Do you think that "true" unschooling must by nature be radical and,
therefore, there should be no need for a separate name for radical
unschooling? By that I mean that it inherently must encompass every
part of life so that anyone who imposes any rules or limits or
schedules on any part of their children's lives is not really
unschooling?

I know a few people have already sort of answered. I'm not sure that
I like the term "radical unschooling." I'd like to be able to say
that we just unschool and have it understood. Most people don't
really understand what that means in terms of academics much less
the rest of one's life. I doubt I fully understand it myself.

I don't usually use the term "unschooling" at all when talking to
people outside unschooling groups. I just tell others we homeschool
and let them think what they want. If they ask further about
curricula or whatever, I tell them we don't use curricula. We learn
what we want when we want. We study what we want when we want. We
use every available resource that interests us to learn as much as
we want about any given thing. People still don't get it.

For me, it's like trying to explain to people that we are atheist.
Most people who were raised with religion have no concept of what
that means. I get asked a lot what religion I will raise my children
with since I'm atheist. LOL They cannot grasp in any way a life
without any religion or spirituality or school.

Alysia

[email protected]

Hi everyone! Being new to this group, and new to unschooling, I have a
question that has probably already been addressed somewhere but was needing
clarification. What about something as simple as the Times Table? What if a
child never wants to learn that? I know it's not paramount to life, but it is
something that comes in handy now and then. My husband is an "Engineer" and
I'm having a difficult time getting this 'unschooling' idea by him. Thanks for
any ideas and input!

--
**Belinda**


---------------------- Original Message: ---------------------
From: Nancy Wooton <nancywooton@...>
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [AlwaysLearning] Re: other names for "unschooling"
Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2008 18:45:27 +0000

>
> On Jun 15, 2008, at 10:50 AM, Jessica wrote:
>
> > How about just learning from life or living life? The problem is
> > that most of our society is all wrapped around certain life cycles:
> > birth/school/work/retirement (in a nutshell) and not considering
> > that there are other possibilities...
> >
> > It's hard to explain that & mostpeople (thanks to e.e.cummings) are
> > of the above mindset & can't easily see outside it... a lot of
> > people think kids have to have lessons/schoolwork/paperwork... maybe
> > some do or some want that...
> > I rarely explain what we "do"... for us everything is wide open but
> > I get a sense of who it's safe to tell that... I just say "yeah, we
> > homeschool" and usually leave it at that.
> >
> > Re: secret code, hate that also, lol...
> >
> >> I don't love "radical unschooling," but I love for people to use
> >> English rather than recently created secret code.
> >
> > Jessica
>
>
> Wikipedia has this to say under "Alternative Education":
>
> Home-based education
> Main article: Homeschooling
> Families who seek alternatives based on educational, philosophical, or
> religious reasons, or if there appears to be no nearby educational
> alternative can decide to have home-based education. Some call
> themselves unschoolers, for they follow an approach based on interest,
> rather than a set curriculum. Others enroll in umbrella schools which
> provide a curriculum to follow. Many choose this alternative for
> religious-based reasons, but practitioners of home-based education are
> of all backgrounds and philosophies.
>
>
> Curious unschooler that I am, I followed their hotlink to
> "unschoolers," and found, on a list of unschooling advocats, that
> Sandra has her own Wikipedia page.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandra_Dodd
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Sandra Dodd

-=-Do you think that "true" unschooling must by nature be radical and,
therefore, there should be no need for a separate name for radical
unschooling?-=-

Well if we call it "true" unschooling we won't need to use radical
unschooling. <g>

But there are unschoolers who unschool during school hours and live
like many other mainstream families when it's not at that moment
about math-language-science-history-extracurricular things.

Sandra




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Sandra Dodd

-=-I don't usually use the term "unschooling" at all when talking to
people outside unschooling groups.-=-

Me too!

-=-I'm not sure that
I like the term "radical unschooling." I'd like to be able to say
that we just unschool and have it understood. -=-

I do. I just say "unschooling." Then if the people quibble, I say
we're radical unschoolers, if it seems it would help.

It's kind of weird, actually, that my main unschooling page says
"Radical Unschooling." I made that page originally on expage.com
long ago when free webpages were small and crummy. And when
geocities opened up, I moved my code and all and it seemed like
moving from a tent to a mansion, because they weren't counting
keystrokes anymore!!! Seriously, if I wanted to add another link, in
the old days, I had to take one out. If I wanted to add a five word
phrase, I needed to find out where to take out five words.

So there was already a page called unschooling, so I called mine
radical unschooling because I had to call it something. And whatever
was put in the "what will your page be called?" was what showed up at
the top of the page.

So... I wish when I moved it I had just called it unschooling. I
could change it! Should I?

Maybe I still need adjectives, though.

The real, true unschooling? Unschooling for real. The One True
Unschooling Way? (I'm accused of that last one all the time.)

Sandra







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Sandra Dodd

-=-What about something as simple as the Times Table? What if a
child never wants to learn that? -=-

What do you mean by "learn that"?



If you mean sit and memorize and drill, does anyone EVER want to do
that?

If you mean figure it out in his own way at some point without even
trying, I'd like to see you prevent it.



Sandra

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Sandra Dodd

-=-that
Sandra has her own Wikipedia page.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandra_Dodd-=-



I'm in there, but I didn't create that page. I was told after it was
done or nearly done. It was Laura Derrick, Pam Sorooshian, Ren Allen
and maybe others. Ren had collected quotes and put them in.
Wikipedia said too many quotes and took them all out, but they're
still on the commentary page (or whatever that is).



Sandra

keetry

--- In [email protected], b.newbold@... wrote:
>
> What about something as simple as the Times Table? What if a
> child never wants to learn that? I know it's not paramount to life,
but it is
> something that comes in handy now and then.

When and how does it come in handy? I don't think I ever use the Times
Table in real life but I do multiplication all the time. People can
learn to do multiplication without memorizing something like that.

Alysia

Ren Allen

~~What about something as simple as the Times Table? What if a
child never wants to learn that? ~~

If it's so simple, why would it matter?
If it's so simple, then it can be picked up easily, at any time right?

If they never learn it how will that affect their life? So far, I can
see no ill effects from not knowing the times table. None of my
children have had the desire to memorize it. None of them have wanted
to learn "proper" keyboarding skills either...but it hasn't stopped
them from typing just fine.:)

Here's a link to an unschooler who never learned her times tables:
http://lauriechancey.blogspot.com/
She still has never learned them as far as I know, yet she managed to
get her masters degree. Oh, and she aced all her higher level math
courses. So apparently times tables are completely, totally and
utterly irrelevant unless you decide you want to learn them.

Just like everything in life.

Ren
learninginfreedom.com

Margaret

Given that, it is amusing that the article says this on the bottom:
"This article about an educator is a stub. You can help Wikipedia by
expanding it."

On Sun, Jun 15, 2008 at 4:31 PM, Sandra Dodd <Sandra@...> wrote:
> -=-that
>
> Sandra has her own Wikipedia page.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandra_Dodd-=-
>
> I'm in there, but I didn't create that page. I was told after it was
> done or nearly done. It was Laura Derrick, Pam Sorooshian, Ren Allen
> and maybe others. Ren had collected quotes and put them in.
> Wikipedia said too many quotes and took them all out, but they're
> still on the commentary page (or whatever that is).
>
> Sandra
>
>

Ren Allen

~~Ren had collected quotes and put them in.
> Wikipedia said too many quotes and took them all out, but they're
> still on the commentary page (or whatever that is).~~

Yeah, damn them.
That took me a long time to get together. At least it still exists
somewhere.

I adore quotes and you are somewhat quotable.;)

Ren
learninginfreedom.com

Sandra Dodd

-=-People can
learn to do multiplication without memorizing something like that.-=-

And people can memorize something like that without having the first
clue what multiplication means.

Learning, knowing and understanding are more important than "test
performance."

Sandra

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MLewis

Belinda, you might discuss with him the difference between
calculation and mathematical problem solving. Which would he rather
his children develop? Not that you CAN'T develop problem solving
skills if you learn the times tables, but my experience as an
unschooling mother of 11 or so years and as a mathematics tutor for
even longer has proven to me that unschooling provides the optimum
environment for developing problem solving skills and I would NEVER
trade that off for being able to say my child has learned their times
table.
Mary Lewis

--- In [email protected], b.newbold@... wrote:
>
> Hi everyone! Being new to this group, and new to unschooling, I
have a
> question that has probably already been addressed somewhere but was
needing
> clarification. What about something as simple as the Times Table?
What if a
> child never wants to learn that? I know it's not paramount to life,
but it is
> something that comes in handy now and then. My husband is
an "Engineer" and
> I'm having a difficult time getting this 'unschooling' idea by him.
Thanks for
> any ideas and input!
>
> --
> **Belinda**
>
>
> ---------------------- Original Message: ---------------------
> From: Nancy Wooton <nancywooton@...>
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [AlwaysLearning] Re: other names for "unschooling"
> Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2008 18:45:27 +0000
>
> >
> > On Jun 15, 2008, at 10:50 AM, Jessica wrote:
> >
> > > How about just learning from life or living life? The problem
is
> > > that most of our society is all wrapped around certain life
cycles:
> > > birth/school/work/retirement (in a nutshell) and not
considering
> > > that there are other possibilities...
> > >
> > > It's hard to explain that & mostpeople (thanks to e.e.cummings)
are
> > > of the above mindset & can't easily see outside it... a lot of
> > > people think kids have to have lessons/schoolwork/paperwork...
maybe
> > > some do or some want that...
> > > I rarely explain what we "do"... for us everything is wide open
but
> > > I get a sense of who it's safe to tell that... I just
say "yeah, we
> > > homeschool" and usually leave it at that.
> > >
> > > Re: secret code, hate that also, lol...
> > >
> > >> I don't love "radical unschooling," but I love for people to
use
> > >> English rather than recently created secret code.
> > >
> > > Jessica
> >
> >
> > Wikipedia has this to say under "Alternative Education":
> >
> > Home-based education
> > Main article: Homeschooling
> > Families who seek alternatives based on educational,
philosophical, or
> > religious reasons, or if there appears to be no nearby
educational
> > alternative can decide to have home-based education. Some call
> > themselves unschoolers, for they follow an approach based on
interest,
> > rather than a set curriculum. Others enroll in umbrella schools
which
> > provide a curriculum to follow. Many choose this alternative for
> > religious-based reasons, but practitioners of home-based
education are
> > of all backgrounds and philosophies.
> >
> >
> > Curious unschooler that I am, I followed their hotlink to
> > "unschoolers," and found, on a list of unschooling advocats,
that
> > Sandra has her own Wikipedia page.
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandra_Dodd
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>

MLewis

Parent Facilitated learning. Family Supported learning.

I too am uncomfortable with the "child-led" description and don't use
it.
I do refer to myself as a radical unschooler, but only for
clarification as the situation dictates. I don't really mind
the "radical" and it's handy for differentiation from "academic"
unschoolers.
Mary


--- In [email protected], Sandra Dodd <Sandra@...> wrote:
>
> -=-I don't usually use the term "unschooling" at all when talking to
> people outside unschooling groups.-=-
>
> Me too!
>
> -=-I'm not sure that
> I like the term "radical unschooling." I'd like to be able to say
> that we just unschool and have it understood. -=-
>
> I do. I just say "unschooling." Then if the people quibble, I
say
> we're radical unschoolers, if it seems it would help.
>
> It's kind of weird, actually, that my main unschooling page says
> "Radical Unschooling." I made that page originally on expage.com
> long ago when free webpages were small and crummy. And when
> geocities opened up, I moved my code and all and it seemed like
> moving from a tent to a mansion, because they weren't counting
> keystrokes anymore!!! Seriously, if I wanted to add another link,
in
> the old days, I had to take one out. If I wanted to add a five
word
> phrase, I needed to find out where to take out five words.
>
> So there was already a page called unschooling, so I called mine
> radical unschooling because I had to call it something. And
whatever
> was put in the "what will your page be called?" was what showed up
at
> the top of the page.
>
> So... I wish when I moved it I had just called it unschooling. I
> could change it! Should I?
>
> Maybe I still need adjectives, though.
>
> The real, true unschooling? Unschooling for real. The One True
> Unschooling Way? (I'm accused of that last one all the time.)
>
> Sandra
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Sandra Dodd

-=-I adore quotes and you are somewhat quotable.;) -=-

Well thanks!
I did put the shortest of them in the random quotes generator here:
http://sandradodd.com/unschooling
in the upper right. People have sent me some quotes to add to that,
but no, no, no! Not Mark Twain. Not John Holt. Only people
involved with unschooling their own children can get on that rotation!

Sandra

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Sandra Dodd

-=-Parent Facilitated learning. Family Supported learning.-=-

I like those pretty well.

Because (in part, I guess) because of my age, location and
confidence, about half the time I've said "Are you familiar with the
'open classroom' theories of the 70's?" And if the person says yes,
I say "It's like that, but without a classroom," or "It's like that,
only we use the whole world."

That's a good answer, for those who light up and do know "open
classroom."

If they say no, they aren't familiar with it, and if they're humble
and curious, I'll give them a very brief review and tell them the
University of New Mexico was big in some of that. If they're cocky
and just trying to be dismissive of me, I look at them and nod and
give my best look to suggest that I'm trying to decide whether
they're smart enough to understand it if I did explain it, and then I
just say, "Oh. Well, it's that."

I'm pretty confident. It's never gone past that.

Sandra

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Clarissa Fetrow

I'm reading David Guterson's book "Family Matters: Why Homeschooling Makes
Sense," and one term he uses is "child-centered learning."


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Pamela Sorooshian

On Jun 15, 2008, at 10:13 PM, Clarissa Fetrow wrote:

> I'm reading David Guterson's book "Family Matters: Why Homeschooling
> Makes
> Sense," and one term he uses is "child-centered learning."

For a while, about 15 years ago, some people were calling it "interest-
driven learning." I liked that - but then people started asking their
children, "What are you interested in learning?" The kid might say,
"I'm interested in thunder," or "I'm interested in horses." <G> The
parent would put together (or buy) a unit study on weather or horses.
They'd do math - "If you had six horses and one got scared and ran
away during a thunderstorm, how many are left?" Not unschooling.

I kind of just like "learning" all by itself. My kids, when they were
young, would be asked: "What do you do in home school?" They'd say,
"We learn." "How do you learn?" My kids: "We just learn all the time."
"What do you learn?" My kids: "We just learn whatever there is to
learn." How do you know what you've learned?" My kids: "I know what I
learned because I'm the one who learned it."

And so on. I heard lots of frustrating (to me) conversations like this
between my kids and their friends and cousins.

-pam



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Melissa Dietrick

--- In [email protected], Sandra Dodd <Sandra@...> wrote:
>
> -=-People can
> learn to do multiplication without memorizing something like that.-=-
>
> And people can memorize something like that without having the first
> clue what multiplication means.
>
> Learning, knowing and understanding are more important than "test
> performance."


hi, this is so true. And in my dd shanti's case (8yo) knowing what
multiplying meant, though not knowing the table by heart got her a
good portion of her exam requirement waived...

the teachers got tired of watching her count seven, make a dot, count
seven more make another dot (to do 7 x 9)...it was obvious she knew
what she was up to.

so they let it be.
she thought that was the best! (afterwards).

melissa
in italy
looking for other names for unschooling!

Melissa Dietrick

--- In [email protected], "MLewis" <m9f9l@...> wrote:
>
> Belinda, you might discuss with him the difference between
> calculation and mathematical problem solving. Which would he rather
> his children develop? Not that you CAN'T develop problem solving
> skills if you learn the times tables, but my experience as an
> unschooling mother of 11 or so years and as a mathematics tutor for
> even longer has proven to me that unschooling provides the optimum
> environment for developing problem solving skills and I would NEVER
> trade that off for being able to say my child has learned their times
> table.
> Mary Lewis


have your engineering man read "Lockhart's Lament" downloadable at:

http://www.maa.org/devlin/devlin_03_08.html


I got it from the april 1 2008 blog at:

http://radiofreeschool.blogspot.com/

This is an incredible insight about what math really is, and how
schools muck up just about everying they touch...

melissa
in italy
mamma of 7

Jessica

Alysia:

LOL!! I play with numbers when doing stuff with my knitting: I use the 2 times table for counting stitches...especially when doing lace or anything involving increases or decreases... I forget yarn-overs every so often...

Sometimes it just helps to have the stuff memorized, but there are other ways to do it.. I do 9s up to 9x9 on my fingers... and then there's a calculator...

The brain is flexible enough to deal with info we need when we need it & not when a teacher decides it's time to shovel it down our throats! :)

> When and how does it come in handy? I don't think I ever use the Times
> Table in real life but I do multiplication all the time. People can
> learn to do multiplication without memorizing something like that.

Cheers,
Jessica

Melissa Dietrick

>
> So... I wish when I moved it I had just called it unschooling. I
> could change it! Should I?
>
> Maybe I still need adjectives, though.
>
> The real, true unschooling? Unschooling for real. The One True
> Unschooling Way? (I'm accused of that last one all the time.)
>
> Sandra


I would think a departure from "radical" in terms of making the
reading more international would be useful.

I like Unschooling for real.
or Unschooling all the way.
or full immersion unschooling..lol
full life unschooling..


but Im timid for making suggestions as Im so new to the concept
compared to most of you.

melissa in italy
mamma of 7