Amanda Horein

Again, this is about me, not my kids.

I have trouble reading non fiction. It's boring. I don't seem to process the
information.

Does anyone have tips in this area? I have tried searching online, but I
find comments like this one.

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Unless reading is your passion, you may need to be very deliberate about
setting aside time to read. You may need to force yourself to do it.
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

Forcing myself seems very unnatural. Other comments are just as boring as
reading a non fiction book to me. "Divide your reading up" and "Set a goal".
They seem rather "schoolish".

--
Amanda
http://whatmykidstaughtme.blogspot.com/

Swap books. It's fun and free.
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"�or whatever other innocent sounding name where the child has been sent to
be stripped of his individuality and turned into an obedient, soul dead
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ENSEMBLE S-WAYNFORTH

I like to read some non-fiction. It depends on the subject, the style, the author, my interest, the time I have to devote to the book. I don't read much these days. I don't have the kind of time I like to give to a book. I have snatches of time, moments and minutes when I'm not needed, not an hour at a go. I sleep in a room filled with bodies, and the ds is a smaller light than the reading lamp. I don't mind not reading, but when I do pick up a book I need it to be something that I can get into and out of quickly. Which isn't usually non-fiction.

I think chasing non-fiction as though it were inherently valuable is a very schooly thing. As is classing all non-fiction in a lump. We have lots of different non-fiction books scattered in our bookcases. Dictionaries and animal identification books and Encyclopedias from the 1940's that read almost like fiction given the changing face of knowledge (I love when people say that history is a static thing), books on dinosaurs and cats, a few self-help books, biographies, natural history books, text books, statistics, books on innumeracy, biology, anthropology, ethnology, botany, geology, books on tracking animals, cookbooks, and on and on and on. Some of them are things you don't really read at a go. Some are books that you start with good intentions, and then you flag and find a year later sitting at the bottom of the stack of books next to your bed along with a kleenex.

Why do you want to read non-fiction? Why is that a goal?

Schuyler
www.waynforth.blogspot.com
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Again, this is about me, not my kids.

I have trouble reading non fiction. It's boring. I don't seem to process the
information.

Does anyone have tips in this area? I have tried searching online, but I
find comments like this one.

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Unless reading is your passion, you may need to be very deliberate about
setting aside time to read. You may need to force yourself to do it.
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

Forcing myself seems very unnatural. Other comments are just as boring as
reading a non fiction book to me. "Divide your reading up" and "Set a goal".
They seem rather "schoolish".
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Joanna Wilkinson

> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
>
> Forcing myself seems very unnatural. Other comments are just as
boring as
> reading a non fiction book to me. "Divide your reading up" and "Set a
goal".
> They seem rather "schoolish".
>
> --
> Amanda
>
>
What and why are you trying to read?
I'm not a non fiction reader. I force myself through some of those
Eyewitness type books for my sons sake. Other than that, if I'm not
interested, why would I read it. If I have to read instructions,
reading it out loud helps.
Joanna

Meghan Pawlowski

-=-I have trouble reading non fiction. It's boring. I don't seem to process the
information.-=-

I'm guessing that you want to learn more about a specific topic? You don't *have* to read non-fiction. I love to read, but most non-fiction is too dry for me. Instead, I get information I want from TV shows, documentaries, movies based on real events, historical fiction, museums, zoos and aquariums, discussions, message boards, and a whole host of other sources. If I forced myself to learn in just one specific way, one that I don't enjoy, I would kill the enthusiasm I had for learning whatever it was I wanted to learn about. Look back at things you enjoyed learning about. Did you learn about them by reading non-fiction, or some other way?


Meghan


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Joanna Wilkinson

> >

> I'm not a non fiction reader. > Joanna
>
That's not true.
I thought more about it.
I read a lot of books/articles on things I'm interested in.
I just don't like to read the technical details of most things.

Joanna

Laureen

Heya!

On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 6:13 AM, Amanda Horein <horein@...> wrote:
> Again, this is about me, not my kids.
>
> I have trouble reading non fiction. It's boring. I don't seem to process the
> information.
>
> Does anyone have tips in this area? I have tried searching online, but I
> find comments like this one.

What that says to me, is that someone forced you somewhere along the
line to read something. The grouping "nonfiction" is HUGE, and to say
that a whole subset of books is boring... well, you'd have had to do a
lot more reading of it to ensure adequate sample size, yeah?
So it's probably your definitions. =)

Right now on my bookshelf is a copy of Thich Nhat Hanh's "Peace is
Every Step." Not sure if that's fiction or non-fiction, since it's
mostly him talking about interacting with people, but there are
illustrative stories thrown in.

I've got a copy of Mary Pipher's Writing To Change The World, which is
one of the most inspirational things. Makes me cry, in places, the
idea that with a pen you can do such good.

Ooh! I'm working through "The Barefoot Navigator", which talks about
native navigation methods, and how what the Polynesians use is totally
different from what the northern Europeans used, etc etc etc, across
all seafaring cultures, because every ocean's soul is different
(fiction? Or non? I dunno, but most mariners believe the sea is alive
and has personality, no matter how modern they themselves act), so if
you want to use ethnic navigation, you need to talk to the natives,
rather than simply copying their methods.

I just landed a copy of "In Their Own Way", which is about children's
learning styles, and fascinating to pick out bits of how pretty much
everyone I know thinks. It's a particular hobbyhorse of mine, because
I've gotten grief over the years for "marrying beneath me", since
Jason is "only" a contractor. Nevermind that he can build a house from
the ground up, he's somehow less than a pencilpusher. Sigh. So having
my personal opinions on this validated, is spiffy-cool, and nice for
Jason too, because you know he got slapped with the stupid brush all
the way through school.

So what's my point? It's all nonfiction, but it's all connected to
something I'm doing, using, being. The thing I'm participating in is
fascinating, the reading is merely providing my activity more support,
more color, more texture.

What's funny is that when I was making the list above, I almost
included the Heinlein I have up there. Because I'm using it for a
research project for a storywriting contest I promised a friend I'd
enter. So the Heinlein, clearly, fiction, is the only "work" reading
I'm doing right now! (Other than the stuff for my day job, where I'm
an editor). It's not really inspiring me much, though, so reading it
is far more like effort than I'm happy with, and I keep blowing it
off.

As an editor, I find the line between fiction and nonfiction to be
terribly blurry. Visioneers write about things that become reality
later. Early Asimov, William Gibson, oh heck, I make jokes about the
Matrix all the time (I know, I just hopped from books to film, it's
the thought that counts), because they apply to the world I'm in now,
but they didn't when they were created. So what does that make them?
At work, engineers write about technologies that don't exist yet, but
will soon. So right now it's fiction. In five years, it'll be some
ubiquitous thing we've all seen one of. That's the coolest reading I
do. Fiction? Maybe. Maybe the line between fiction and non-fiction is
simply funding.

How blurry is that? Did I help? Or did I make it worse?



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Sandra Dodd

-=-I have trouble reading non fiction. It's boring. I don't seem to
process the
information.

-=-Does anyone have tips in this area? I have tried searching online,
but I
find comments like this one...-=-

Why are you trying to read something you don't like that's giving you
trouble?
What kinds of things are you trying to read? People here might have
lots of good ideas. Please tell us a little more.

Some information can be obtained by listening to mp3/CD audio books.
Some can be had by video (online how-to's at YouTube and other places).

What kind of non fiction?

Why are you needing to process some specific information?

Is this by any chance you wanting to do it because you want your kids
to do it?

(You don't need to answer that at all, but maybe consider it yourself.)

Sandra

Sandra Dodd

-=-Ooh! I'm working through "The Barefoot Navigator", which talks about
native navigation methods, and how what the Polynesians use is totally
different from what the northern Europeans used, etc etc etc, across
all seafaring cultures, because every ocean's soul is different
(fiction? Or non? I dunno, but most mariners believe the sea is alive
and has personality, no matter how modern they themselves act), so if
you want to use ethnic navigation, you need to talk to the natives,
rather than simply copying their methods.-=-



Hey! We were talking about this just a couple of weeks ago, about a
kind of map they had that was like a net with knots and such, showing
currents or something. I'll find that book and I hope it doesn't
cost a fortune. My husband knows a lot about stars and directions.

Humor is often non-fiction. I'm thinking Eddie Izzard and George
Carlin. Commentary.

Some people are such interesting writers that I'm swept away. I
don't read many Stephen King novels, because I don't like the
scariness, but he has a column in Entertainment Weekly every three
weeks or so, and that's not fiction.

This list is non-fiction. These are non-fiction:

http://sandradodd.com/unschooling

http://http://joyfullyrejoycing.com/

I *just* finished adding an e-mail to this non-fiction page. Very
exciting to me:

http://sandradodd.com/organ

(it's in a box, down in the left column, the new part)

Is it possible what was meant was "textbooks"?

Sandra

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Sandra Dodd

On my MySpace profile I wrote this (a year ago?):

I like non-fiction, reference stuff. It doesn't seem fun to most
people, but I love things like the Oxford English Dictionary, The
Voice of the Middle Ages in Letters, Eyewitness to History, and
Brewer's Dictionary of Phrase and Fable.

There's a video of the books in our library here, and it's mostly non-
fiction, but GOOD STUFF! Fun stuff. Useful stuff.
http://sandradodd.blogspot.com/2008/03/books-shun-or-not-to-shun.html
(and you can hear my voice, which isn't a great voice, but I'm used
to it)

If you click the name of the blog there, or this
http://sandradodd.blogspot.com
you can see photos of Marty and Holly from yesterday, and of Kirby 21
years ago.

Here's an article about trivia books, too, and those aren't fiction:
http://sandradodd.com/triviality

I rarely read fiction and I never write any, and I have written lots
and lots my whole life. (I wrote a fiction story in fourth grade.)

Sandra




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lava

I get what I can on audiobook with a good reader
(listen to a sample before buying)--I've enjoyed
some nonfiction that way which I wouldn't have
otherwise gotten through (same strategy for "classic" literature).
That and I keep it in the bathroom, since I like
to read there, and a couple pages at a time doesn't bore me too much <LOL>
-lava

At 09:13 AM 4/1/2008, you wrote:
>Again, this is about me, not my kids.
>
>I have trouble reading non fiction. It's boring. I don't seem to process the
>information.
>
>Does anyone have tips in this area? I have tried searching online, but I
>find comments like this one.
>
>-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
>Unless reading is your passion, you may need to be very deliberate about
>setting aside time to read. You may need to force yourself to do it.
>-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
>
>Forcing myself seems very unnatural. Other comments are just as boring as
>reading a non fiction book to me. "Divide your reading up" and "Set a goal".
>They seem rather "schoolish".
>
>--
>Amanda
>http://whatmykidstaughtme.blogspot.com/
>
>Swap books. It's fun and free.
>http://choose2bgr8.paperbackswap.com
>
>"…or whatever other innocent sounding name where the child has been sent to
>be stripped of his individuality and turned into an obedient, soul dead
>conformist of the American consumer culture"
>---George Carlin
>Complaints & Grievances
>
>
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Bob Collier

--- In [email protected], "Amanda Horein" <horein@...> wrote:
>
> Again, this is about me, not my kids.
>
> I have trouble reading non fiction. It's boring. I don't seem to
process the
> information.
>
>


I have the opposite problem. I have trouble reading fiction. It's
boring. :)

Bob

Bob Collier

--- In [email protected], Sandra Dodd <Sandra@...> wrote:
>
>
> Some information can be obtained by listening to mp3/CD audio books.
> Some can be had by video (online how-to's at YouTube and other places).
>
> What kind of non fiction?
>
>


I read non-fiction constantly, but that doesn't mean text books. And,
as you say, there are easier ways to get the information these days,
definitely. I mostly read to get the information probably because then
I don't need to take notes: it's already there in writing.

Bob

Kim H

<<I have trouble reading non fiction. It's boring. I don't seem to
process the
> information.>>

It's interesting how we're all so very different. I love reading fiction aloud to my son - I absolutely love children's fiction. For my own personally reading though I don't like fiction. I love to read auto and biographies. I guess I'm very nosey and like to know what other people are doing in their lives;). Parenting, gardening, property and whatever other topics are relevant to me at the time are the books I mostly read (apart from the bios etc).

The last fictional book I read was the Da Vinci Code when it first came out (a fair while ago now!). I liked it but I'm not drawn to choosing fiction when left to do the choosing for myself. It has to be really strongly recommended for me to actually read fiction.

Kim


----- Original Message -----
From: Bob Collier
To: [email protected]
Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 11:00 AM
Subject: [AlwaysLearning] Re: Reading Non Fiction


--- In [email protected], "Amanda Horein" <horein@...> wrote:
>
> Again, this is about me, not my kids.
>
> I have trouble reading non fiction. It's boring. I don't seem to
process the
> information.
>
>

I have the opposite problem. I have trouble reading fiction. It's
boring. :)

Bob





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Sandra Dodd

-=-I have the opposite problem. I have trouble reading fiction. It's
boring. :)-=-

I get frustrated with fiction more often than not. I'm trying to
finish a novel now because I started it and am kinda curious, but not
REALLY curious, and they're not real people, y'know? Meanwhile I've
read several other books (or most of them, or large chunks of some
and all of some) that are about ideas, and historical details, and
about other countries.



Sandra

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Joanna Murphy

My favorite is historical fiction--the kind where the author has really researched the
subject and has fleshed out the characters based on what is actually known about them,
and then has them acting out history--can't get enough of that! The problem is finding
really well researched stuff, and then also knowing where the author took liberties and so
forth. I've always thought that the author should include an essay at the back of the book
that details some of this stuff out.

I'm happy to let someone else go through all the source documents and tell me a good
story!

Joanna

- In [email protected], Sandra Dodd <Sandra@...> wrote:
>
> -=-I have the opposite problem. I have trouble reading fiction. It's
> boring. :)-=-
>
> I get frustrated with fiction more often than not. I'm trying to
> finish a novel now because I started it and am kinda curious, but not
> REALLY curious, and they're not real people, y'know? Meanwhile I've
> read several other books (or most of them, or large chunks of some
> and all of some) that are about ideas, and historical details, and
> about other countries.
>
>
>
> Sandra
>
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>

cathy

Joanna wrote: >>>My favorite is historical fiction--the kind where the
author has really researched the
subject and has fleshed out the characters based on what is actually known
about them,
and then has them acting out history--can't get enough of that!<<<



Me too....



Rosemary Sutcliiff

Sharon Penman

Anya Seton

Leon Uris



are favourites of mine...



Regards

Cathy





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Joanna Wilkinson

--- In [email protected], "cathy" <cathy@...> wrote:
>
> Joanna wrote: >>>My favorite is historical fiction--

I prefer these books too. But for childrens books, I love a good
fantasy. Harry Potter, A Wrinkle in Time, The Golden Compass. It's
fun to go off into a whole nother world.

Joanna W.

Joanna Murphy

Thanks for the great recommendations! I've reserved some of them at the library already-
-my current favorite is Morgan Llewelyn.

--- In [email protected], "cathy" <cathy@...> wrote
>
> Rosemary Sutcliiff
>
> Sharon Penman
>
> Anya Seton
>
> Leon Uris
>
>
>
> are favourites of mine...
>
>
>
> Regards
>
> Cathy
>
>
>
>
>
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Amanda Horein

-=-=-=-=-=-
What and why are you trying to read?
-=-=-=-=-=-

What? My post applies to just about everything that is non fiction that I
try to read. Even if I am interested in the topic. When I first started
homeschooling I would pick up those books and not read them. I have tried to
read several John Holt books. Financial books (getting your finances in
order), but maybe that is a bad example. Photography books (which I *love*).

-=-=-=-=-=-
How blurry is that? Did I help? Or did I make it worse?
-=-=-=-=-=-

No, I think that make some sense and it might help as my brain digests it.

-=-=-=-=-=-
Why are you needing to process some specific information?
-=-=-=-=-=-

To get better at things. Like taking pictures and working in photoshop. But
have you seen the manuals to Photoshop? I was looking in the library today
and I picked a couple, but they were the thinnest books on the shelf.

I wanted to actually take a photography class and a photoshop class at the
local community college, but I have to have the camera for the photography
class (duh!) and all I have is a digital or I have to take Art classes where
I am actually drawing things and that really isn't my thing.

-=-=-=-=-=-
Humor is often non-fiction. I'm thinking Eddie Izzard and George
Carlin. Commentary.
-=-=-=-=-=-

I can listen to those things (but often don't think they are funny even
though I *do* relate to the comedian, much to the disappointment of DH) and
watch them, but definitely *not* read them

-=-=-=-=-=-
Is it possible what was meant was "textbooks"?
-=-=-=-=-=-

Yes, and no. I can read *some* of your website and Joyce's. I have to read
it in bits. Many times I have to print it out and read it not at the
computer.
I *love* Stephen King, though, lol!

Most of all, thank you, everyone for the different thoughts and discussion
on the topic. It has changed my perspective a little and that is probably
mostly what I needed. Thanks for the historical fiction recommendations too.
I have thought about picking up some of those over the past year or so, but
I keep going back to Harry Potter (currently reading DH for the 4th time!)

--
Amanda
http://whatmykidstaughtme.blogspot.com/

Swap books. It's fun and free.
http://choose2bgr8.paperbackswap.com

"�or whatever other innocent sounding name where the child has been sent to
be stripped of his individuality and turned into an obedient, soul dead
conformist of the American consumer culture"
---George Carlin
Complaints & Grievances


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