diana jenner

On Wed, Mar 26, 2008 at 8:40 AM, Sandra Dodd <Sandra@...> wrote:

> Okay, here's the subject matter. There seems a little storm of
> confusion between unschooling and new age juju, specifically
> channeling and visualizing.


I'm not an *other world spirit* channeler, though it sometimes helps to *put
on* Sandra or Joyce or Robyn or Ren and BE that mama for a moment, just to
see how their perspective is different than the one I feel *stuck* in.
Practicing as someone else helps me tailor the situation to diana, the ideal
diana in-the-moment.

Visualizing is really important to Hayden (and the technique's been around
for far longer than the Hicks), who would take swim classes for two sessions
as a toddler -- the first to watch and the second to participate. Not
everything can be set up that way, however, some events are a one time only
situation. It helps to give him as much information as possible and for him
to *see* himself in his head having a good time. I.E. the Bender party we
attended last Sunday. When he practiced seeing what was possible, he came to
the party with a very different attitude "This will be fun!" than the one of
"I'm afraid I may not have a good time" -- which thought would you rather
hang out with??


> I very much prefer thinking and doing to buck-passing and wishing.
>
> Dealing directly and sweetly with one's children does not require
> consultation with departed "sages" nor does it need to involve
> visualizing get-rich schemes or recommending that kids run away.


Unschooling does require a new pattern of thought for the most of us. I for
one, accept lessons of wisdom where ever they may appear in my life (even on
the days I'm actively NOT Lois from Malcom in the Middle) . I do *think* far
more than I *wish* :) and thinking positive, supportive and supporting
thoughts bring me closer to those who think the same way. If I was grumpy
and mean, I'd have lots of grumpy and mean folks surrounding me, telling me
what a great job I'm doing. Not who I want to *attract* with my thinking
process.
Thinking thoughts of constant overwhelm seems to bring about examples of why
I should be in constant overwhelm. When I want to be filled with thoughts of
*Abundance* and *Possibility* and I make my own internal shift, viola! I am
brought support for that way of thinking.
Call it magic, call it juju, call it the universe... thoughts attract
thoughts. I want my thoughts to be consciously in line with my end goal
(actively LIVING a joyful and peaceful life) and to *attract* others who
want the same things.
You're here, in my vortex, so something musta worked ::::vbeg::::


> This one bugged me:
>
> "When a child has a dream and a parent says, 'It's not financially
> feasible; you can't make a living at that; don't do it,' we say to
> the child, run away from home...
> You must follow your dream.
> You will never be joyful if you don't.
> Your dream may change, but you've got to stay after your dreams.
> You have to."
> Abraham, channeled via Esther Hicks
>
> ======================


Maybe you misunderstood? The message to me, from the above quote, is a
parent who quashes a child's dream is not partnering with their child; in
fact, they are showing their own lack of support for the dream, thereby
causing the child to look elsewhere for support. Dreams and joy are
important *in every moment* -this is another reminder to hold those dreams
of children as the sacred gift they are. Our attitudes may not be so openly
spoken, the message is received just the same by our children.



> And when I went to see who Esther Hicks was, it reminded me that
> someone told me there's a new "radical unschooling" list (and I call
> it that because it is [email protected]) that, once
> you go to the description says: "This is a discussion and support
> group for Radical or Whole Life Unschoolers. This group is unique in
> that we will have a focus on using the Law of Attraction in our
> Unschooling lives. This is a progressive, revolutionary approach to
> parenting that we are honored to be pioneering! "
>
> "Pioneering" the combination of that with "the Law of Attraction"
> *maybe* (OR NOT, if the ReThinking Education conference wants to
> claim that, as that's where the Esther Hicks quote recommending that
> children with impractical ideas run away came from, but not
> pioneering unschooling, nor radical unschooling.


Pioneering the *discussion,* providing space for the conversation and the
shifts in perspective to occur.
Believe me, there's no one there believing they pioneered anything but their
own perceptions.


> Is it necessary for me to explicitly state that I neither advocate
> nor believe in the channeling of anyone or anything?


Nope :) And we already see the benefits of changing one's perspective
(unloading the straw) with your help -- the RU list gives that kind of
thinking a different place to have this discussion, that's all.

Will "Radical Unschooling" be painted with the crazy brush?


Too late, they already let me in the club :D

Yes of course, curiosity leads to more curiosity and peace leads to
> more peace. Respect leads to more respect. This has been being
> said and explained and expanded and expounded on by people on this
> list and others similar for YEARS, very many more years than some
> people have been parents at all. Does it seem that when people
> start talking about the law of attraction they're also asking for
> money? And that people want cash when they channel spirits or teams
> of spirits (this "Abraham" isn't the Abraham most people think of,
> it's some otherworldly committee who seem to have summarized some
> cool Hindu and Buddhist ideas, summarized the Best of the
> Rosicrucians, and is being marketed as something new). Marketed is
> the main part.


All of this information is available for free, as well. At my local library,
on line -- even at Oprah.com (Eckhart Tolle)-- and in gatherings of folks at
our local coffee shop.


> Here is a WHOLE LOT of free information, better, purer, and it
> doesn't put any juju between you and your child:
>
> http://sandradodd.com/unschooling
>
> http://joyfullyrejoycing.com/
>
> If you live in juju, it will affect your hour, your day and your
> lifetime.


If you live in *stuck* it will affect....
If you live in *I CAN'T* it will affect...
If you live in *too much* it will affect...
If you live in *last straw* it will affect...

changing our thought patterns is required to bring in new thought patterns,
thoughts that better serve who we are and where we're going and what we're
doing in this very moment, right now.


> Every moment spent hoping for magical benefits could be spent gently
> and directly in contact with your children getting REAL benefits.
>

Every moment believing in the best of our kids, is a moment spent gently and
directly in contact with children, getting REAL benefits.
--
~diana :)
xoxoxoxo
hannahbearski.blogspot.com


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Sandra Dodd

-=-I do *think* far
more than I *wish* :) and thinking positive, supportive and supporting
thoughts bring me closer to those who think the same way. If I was
grumpy
and mean, I'd have lots of grumpy and mean folks surrounding me,
telling me
what a great job I'm doing.-=-

Yes, but that doesn't need any magical explanation. Frank Smith had
an elegant way of putting that, but I'm having company pretty soon
and can't go find the book right now. Maybe someone else has it at
hand. It's in The Book of Learning and Forgetting. It's not a
mystery that those who don't want to do drugs shouldn't hang around
with druggies, or those who really love Southern Baptists should and
will find some to be with! Moods are contagious, and a happy
person makes other people happier.

-=-Maybe you misunderstood? The message to me, from the above quote,
is a

parent who quashes a child's dream is not partnering with their
child; in
fact, they are showing their own lack of support for the dream, thereby
causing the child to look elsewhere for support. Dreams and joy are
important *in every moment* -this is another reminder to hold those
dreams
of children as the sacred gift they are. Our attitudes may not be so
openly
spoken, the message is received just the same by our children.-=-

Did I misundertand? Are here things in the paragraph above you think
(Diana you) that I (Sandra I) am not understanding?

-=-"When a child has a dream and a parent says, 'It's not financially
feasible; you can't make a living at that; don't do it,' we say to
the child, run away from home...-=-

"We" are this Team-Abraham. (Not you and I Diana and Sandra, the
"we" in the quote.)

Sandra




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Sandra Dodd

-=-Visualizing is really important to Hayden (and the technique's
been around
for far longer than the Hicks), who would take swim classes for two
sessions
as a toddler -- the first to watch and the second to participate.-=-



Why term that "visualization" though instead of observing, thinking,
learning by seeing what others are doing?

It makes sense. Some people watch for a LONG time. Some people read
more than one sewing book before they start sewing. Some people want
to read the motorcycle manual before they get on a bike.

Sandra

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diana jenner

On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 8:01 AM, Sandra Dodd <Sandra@...> wrote:

> -=-Visualizing is really important to Hayden (and the technique's
> been around for far longer than the Hicks), who would take swim classes
> for two
> sessions as a toddler -- the first to watch and the second to
> participate.-=-
>
> Why term that "visualization" though instead of observing, thinking,
> learning by seeing what others are doing?
>
> It makes sense. Some people watch for a LONG time. Some people read
> more than one sewing book before they start sewing. Some people want
> to read the motorcycle manual before they get on a bike
>

Visualization is all of those things, in one's head :) I tend to think of it
as *seeing what's possible* before it happens. If I can *see* myself
handling the stress-filled moments, before they occur, with love, compassion
and thoughtfulness, it feels like *rehearsal* for those real moments when
knee-jerk may have been easy to fall back upon.
In the movie "The Secret" (mainstream introduction to LoA) when they talk of
visualization, I don't equate it to day-dreams or wishing or hoping... it's
the first step to opening yourself up to *Possibilities* -- if you can't see
yourself actually driving your dream car, how can you see the steps required
to make it happen?
I'm the first to say "Wish in one hand and $hit in the other -- see which
fills first" -- this idea is far deeper than that, for me to even want to
explore it ;)
For us, right now, we're open to owning a dog for the first time. We (Scotty
& I) were filled to the brim with fear and still find it far more
comfortable to live in *it's impossible* to own a dog; when we look at
Hayden, however, we know there's got to be another perspective that will
fulfill this boy's Doggie Dream. (Hayden is WAY more important than our
fears!!) We packed up our thoughts and moved over to *what's possible* which
has opened our eyes to a multitude of ways that, indeed, we can be Calm
Assertive Pack Leaders -- yes, we've watched The Dog Whisperer every day for
weeks!! I often practice, in my mind, going through the different principles
Cesar laid out for us. I see myself meeting our new dog, introducing myself
as a Calm Assertive Energy so the dog immediately recognizes me as Leader. I
want the principles to be firmly ingrained in me BEFORE we even meet our
potential dog-mate. (We don't know many local owners of "balanced" dogs, so
the opportunity to practice on real dogs is limited -- except the other
night when Hayden had a great experience with a pack, details on my blog)
It's another *aid* in unclogging our vision. Not the only, though an
incredibly helpful one.
--
~diana :)
xoxoxoxo
hannahbearski.blogspot.com


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Bob Collier

Visualization, for me, is different to observing. It's the creation
inside my head of a 'desired outcome'.

However, in my view at least, it really is no more than using ordinary
everyday imagination but in a deliberate self-directed way. It's the
outcome oriented purposefulness of 'visualization' that I think
differentiates it from imagining, observing, watching, thinking
generally that also produces pictures in our heads. So perhaps I would
say that it's a thinking technique of a specific kind.

Bob



--- In [email protected], Sandra Dodd <Sandra@...> wrote:
>
> -=-Visualizing is really important to Hayden (and the technique's
> been around
> for far longer than the Hicks), who would take swim classes for two
> sessions
> as a toddler -- the first to watch and the second to participate.-=-
>
>
>
> Why term that "visualization" though instead of observing, thinking,
> learning by seeing what others are doing?
>

Pamela Sorooshian

On Mar 27, 2008, at 6:10 PM, Bob Collier wrote:

> So perhaps I would
> say that it's a thinking technique of a specific kind.

Mental rehearsing. Athletes use it a lot. I've used it as part of my
weight-loss journey. From the WeightWatchers website:

"Mental Rehearsing is practicing in your mind ahead of time, being in
a challenging situation. Our minds and bodies are one system, so your
mind can help you behave or act a certain way.

Athletes, actors, musicians, artists, public speakers and salesman use
mental rehearsing all the time. In fact, you probably do too, when you
think about and rehearse what you'll say before making a tough phone
call, or having a difficult discussion"



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Sandra Dodd

-=-Athletes, actors, musicians, artists, public speakers and salesman
use
mental rehearsing all the time. In fact, you probably do too, when you
think about and rehearse what you'll say before making a tough phone
call, or having a difficult discussion"-=-

I figured everyone did that. There was even a little cartoon about
it on Sesame Street years back. Working through a conversation, an
apology, I think. The kid is planning in his mind what might be said
if he says this or that, and then what he will say.

It's part of making better choices and being mindful.



Sandra

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ENSEMBLE S-WAYNFORTH

One of my favorite visualization moments is when Harry Potter does the Patronus spell to save Sirius Black, he knew he could do it because he'd seen himself do it when he was lying on the shore.

Schuyler
www.waynforth.blogspot.com

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From: Sandra Dodd <Sandra@...>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Friday, 28 March, 2008 2:43:53 PM
Subject: Re: [AlwaysLearning] Re: visualizing channeled juju

-=-Athletes, actors, musicians, artists, public speakers and salesman
use
mental rehearsing all the time. In fact, you probably do too, when you
think about and rehearse what you'll say before making a tough phone
call, or having a difficult discussion"-=-

I figured everyone did that. There was even a little cartoon about
it on Sesame Street years back. Working through a conversation, an
apology, I think. The kid is planning in his mind what might be said
if he says this or that, and then what he will say.

It's part of making better choices and being mindful.



Sandra







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Sandra Dodd

-=-One of my favorite visualization moments is when Harry Potter does
the Patronus spell to save Sirius Black, he knew he could do it
because he'd seen himself do it when he was lying on the shore. -=-

Time travel, wasn't it? (Been watching Lost...)

Sandra

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ENSEMBLE S-WAYNFORTH

Yep, Hermione had a watch that she could wind backwards. So the fact that he saw himself do it in the future meant that he could do it in the now. It has echoes of paradox, and I liked that.

Schuyler
www.waynforth.blogspot.com

----- Original Message ----
From: Sandra Dodd <Sandra@...>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Friday, 28 March, 2008 4:49:01 PM
Subject: Re: [AlwaysLearning] Re: visualizing channeled juju

-=-One of my favorite visualization moments is when Harry Potter does
the Patronus spell to save Sirius Black, he knew he could do it
because he'd seen himself do it when he was lying on the shore. -=-

Time travel, wasn't it? (Been watching Lost...)

Sandra

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Pamela Sorooshian

John Holt talks about this as being something that schools prevent
kids from learning to do because there is no reason for them to ever
do it if their life is all controlled and planned for them. I can't
remember the details - he calls it running through scenarios or
something like that. Deb or anyone else remember this?

-pam

On Mar 28, 2008, at 7:43 AM, Sandra Dodd wrote:

> -=-Athletes, actors, musicians, artists, public speakers and salesman
> use
> mental rehearsing all the time. In fact, you probably do too, when you
> think about and rehearse what you'll say before making a tough phone
> call, or having a difficult discussion"-=-
>
> I figured everyone did that. There was even a little cartoon about
> it on Sesame Street years back. Working through a conversation, an
> apology, I think. The kid is planning in his mind what might be said
> if he says this or that, and then what he will say.
>
> It's part of making better choices and being mindful.



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