[AlwaysLearning] Marijuana and Addiction
Nanci Kuykendall
>Comparing drug use to television isn't reasonable.Marijuana is illegal. >Television isn't.
>PamI do not find the legal or not issue to be a valid
reason that they cannot be compared in terms of the
stated question about whether or not it was infringing
on someone's right to not want to be exposed to it.
What has legality really got to do with that?
>And Marijuana in not any more addictive thanI am not sure if I agree with Marijuana being no more
>television or chocolate or coffee (well, change that.
>Coffee and chocolate contain caffeine which is
>addictive)
>Elissa
addictive than television. On the one hand, I know
several people in my family for whom Marijuana was or
is a highly addicting drug to them and controlled
their behavior as much as heroine addicts and
alcoholics I have known. On the other hand,
television can be just as addictive and unhealthy to
certain personality types, so perhaps it is a good
analogy after all.
Nanci K.
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Pam Hartley
The last sentence reads like you're stating a scientific, proven fact. It's
not, and it's something that I strongly disagree with as a myth.
We might all want to think more about using some qualifiers in this
discussion. I think, I believe, in my opinion...
Pam
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From: Nanci Kuykendall <aisliin@...>
To: [email protected]
Subject: [AlwaysLearning] Marijuana and Addiction
Date: Mon, Jan 28, 2002, 8:47 PM
I am not sure if I agree with Marijuana being no more
addictive than television. On the one hand, I know
several people in my family for whom Marijuana was or
is a highly addicting drug to them and controlled
their behavior as much as heroine addicts and
alcoholics I have known. On the other hand,
television can be just as addictive and unhealthy to
certain personality types, so perhaps it is a good
analogy after all.
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not, and it's something that I strongly disagree with as a myth.
We might all want to think more about using some qualifiers in this
discussion. I think, I believe, in my opinion...
Pam
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From: Nanci Kuykendall <aisliin@...>
To: [email protected]
Subject: [AlwaysLearning] Marijuana and Addiction
Date: Mon, Jan 28, 2002, 8:47 PM
I am not sure if I agree with Marijuana being no more
addictive than television. On the one hand, I know
several people in my family for whom Marijuana was or
is a highly addicting drug to them and controlled
their behavior as much as heroine addicts and
alcoholics I have known. On the other hand,
television can be just as addictive and unhealthy to
certain personality types, so perhaps it is a good
analogy after all.
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Nanci Kuykendall
>>On the other hand, television can be just as----------
>>addictive and unhealthy to certain personality
>>types, so perhaps it is a good analogy after all.
>>>>>>
>The last sentence reads like you're stating a
>scientific, proven fact. It's not, and it's
>something that I strongly disagree with as a myth.
>We might all want to think more about using some
>qualifiers in this discussion. I think, I believe, in
>my opinion...
>Pam
I stand corrected Pam. It was in fact my opinion
based on personal experience. I should have prefeaced
it with "I feel that..." Apologies for incoherence,
again I am sick.
Nanci K.
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Earth Witch
> I am not sure if I agree with Marijuana being noI think it is important to recognize the difference
> more
> addictive than television. On the one hand, I know
> several people in my family for whom Marijuana was
> or
> is a highly addicting drug to them and controlled
> their behavior as much as heroine addicts and
> alcoholics I have known. On the other hand,
> television can be just as addictive and unhealthy to
> certain personality types, so perhaps it is a good
> analogy after all.
>
> Nanci K.
between physical addiction and mental addiction. Pot
and TV would fall under the mental addiction category
and are comparable. Caffeine, on the other hand, is
physically addicting. I think you are right about the
personality, in a way. I know some adults, well into
their thirties, who are so addicted to video games
that they have a hard time keeping a job. It is
completely mental and not at all the fault of the
video games, though, or caused by those games. The
problem lies within the person, not the machine.
Kitrina
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From: Earth Witch
It is not reasonable to assume children are not capable of dealing with something potentially addictive to their personalities. This is especially true if they have to learn to deal with their personalities for the rest of their lives. There are many workaholics that come by their habit genetically. It still doesn't give them the right to destroy their families because they can't bring balance into their own lives.
FYI, I removed TV restrictions from my kids less than a month ago. My reasoning for restricting it in the first place was that I didn't think they *could* maintain a balanced life. I have an obsessive/compulsive personality and work hard at balancing things for myself. I just didn't give them the credit they deserve. I imagine some people will feel that a balanced life is not something to strive for and that individuals should pursue their interests to whatever extent that involves. I would disagree. Too much of anything can cause problems.
Pat
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>I think it is important to recognize the differenceWere you saying TV is mentally addictive as a reason to limit it?
>between physical addiction and mental addiction. Pot
>and TV would fall under the mental addiction category
>and are comparable. Caffeine, on the other hand, is
>physically addicting. I think you are right about the
>personality, in a way. I know some adults, well into
>their thirties, who are so addicted to video games
>that they have a hard time keeping a job. It is
>completely mental and not at all the fault of the
>video games, though, or caused by those games. The
>problem lies within the person, not the machine.
It is not reasonable to assume children are not capable of dealing with something potentially addictive to their personalities. This is especially true if they have to learn to deal with their personalities for the rest of their lives. There are many workaholics that come by their habit genetically. It still doesn't give them the right to destroy their families because they can't bring balance into their own lives.
FYI, I removed TV restrictions from my kids less than a month ago. My reasoning for restricting it in the first place was that I didn't think they *could* maintain a balanced life. I have an obsessive/compulsive personality and work hard at balancing things for myself. I just didn't give them the credit they deserve. I imagine some people will feel that a balanced life is not something to strive for and that individuals should pursue their interests to whatever extent that involves. I would disagree. Too much of anything can cause problems.
Pat
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This isn't criticism of anyone, just comments on comments:
<< There are many workaholics that come by their habit genetically. It still
doesn't give them the right to destroy their families because they can't
bring balance into their own lives. >>
Nor the right to prohibit their teens to have jobs just because work might
become addictive.
<< I imagine some people will feel that a balanced life is not something to
strive for and that individuals should pursue their interests to whatever
extent that involves. I would disagree. Too much of anything can cause
problems..>
But most-to-all of know from personal experience that too much control causes
problems.
Sandra
<< There are many workaholics that come by their habit genetically. It still
doesn't give them the right to destroy their families because they can't
bring balance into their own lives. >>
Nor the right to prohibit their teens to have jobs just because work might
become addictive.
<< I imagine some people will feel that a balanced life is not something to
strive for and that individuals should pursue their interests to whatever
extent that involves. I would disagree. Too much of anything can cause
problems..>
But most-to-all of know from personal experience that too much control causes
problems.
Sandra
Earth Witch
> Were you saying TV is mentally addictive as a reasonNot at all. I was saying the addiction is something
> to limit it?
about the person that they need to work on and
control, not caused by the tv. If some one cannot
control the addiction for themselves, limiting their
contact with the item is really not going to help.
Kitrina
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Pat Cald...
Control is never again going to be the means I use to help my kids develop the skills they need for a happy life. I plan on brainwashing them and relying on their good sense to see I'm right!
Pat
Pat
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From: SandraDodd@...
To: [email protected]
Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 1:15 PM
Subject: Re: [AlwaysLearning] Marijuana and Addiction
This isn't criticism of anyone, just comments on comments:
<< There are many workaholics that come by their habit genetically. It still
doesn't give them the right to destroy their families because they can't
bring balance into their own lives. >>
Nor the right to prohibit their teens to have jobs just because work might
become addictive.
<< I imagine some people will feel that a balanced life is not something to
strive for and that individuals should pursue their interests to whatever
extent that involves. I would disagree. Too much of anything can cause
problems..>
But most-to-all of know from personal experience that too much control causes
problems.
Sandra
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Pat
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>> Were you saying TV is mentally addictive as a reasonExactly!
>> to limit it?
>Not at all. I was saying the addiction is something
>about the person that they need to work on and
>control, not caused by the tv. If some one cannot
>control the addiction for themselves, limiting their
>contact with the item is really not going to help.
Pat
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Nanci Kuykendall
>I think it is important to recognize the differenceAll addiction has mental elements. Some addictions
>between physical addiction and mental addiction. Pot
>and TV would fall under the mental addiction category
>and are comparable. ....(snip) The problem lies
>within the person, not the machine.
>Kitrina
also have more strong physical elements. All
addiction problems lie within the person and must be
addressed there in order for them to move past them
and heal. In my experience, a drug or alcohol addict
who is medically "cured" of their addiction will not
be able to function in a healthy way mentally, and
will return to their addiction, or another like it, or
multiple unhealthy behaviors, without recognizing the
addictive mental behaviors and addressing the problem
within themselves. Alcoholics like this are referred
to as "Dry Drunks."
Every person has differing biochemistry, and I believe
that science has yet to discover the ways in which an
individual's chemistry is affected by different
chemicals or mental stimuli. Be that as it may,
mental addiction (like Katrina's friends with the
video games) can be enough to ruin lives. There are
also a lot of physical substances that are not BAD in
and of themselves, and can be used quite safely in
moderation by SOME people(ie: caffiene, alcohol,
adrenaline, sugar) but to others are highly and easily
addicting and detrimental to their health.
It's possible that TV stimulates some chemical
reaction in the brains of those that are addicted to
is unhealthily, and that they should avoid it for
their mental AND physical health, the same way an
alcoholic avoids drink. Maybe not, but who knows for
sure? But you are right, it IS mental (like ALL other
addictions) and that part of it is obvious. Some
people can handle goobs of it unaffectedly, and some
cannot. But I do think each person should decide that
for themselves, and not a parent decide for a child.
Children have to be free to make their own mistakes
and learn things their own way, or they are not free
to live their own lives.
Nanci K.
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