halfshadow1

Alot of times my son will ask for a can of corn/carrots or something
and once we open it he will say I don't want it after he takes one
bite. This is all stuff he likes and has eaten before. My dh and I
feel angry when he does this because he wont eat it later. Not so much
with the cans mostly angry when he asks for rice or oatmeal, we will
cook it for him and then say he doesn't want it. How should we deal
with this? There are only so many containers the fridge can hold and
they go bad or nobody wants it. We ask him if he's sure he wants the
oatmeal and he says yes but changes his mind...why?

Sandra Dodd

-=-Alot of times my son will ask for a can of corn/carrots or something
and once we open it he will say I don't want it after he takes one
bite. This is all stuff he likes and has eaten before. My dh and I
feel angry when he does this because he wont eat it later. Not so much
with the cans mostly angry when he asks for rice or oatmeal, we will
cook it for him and then say he doesn't want it. How should we deal
with this? There are only so many containers the fridge can hold and
they go bad or nobody wants it. We ask him if he's sure he wants the
oatmeal and he says yes but changes his mind...why?-=-



I don't know why, but if you use frozen vegetables you can microwave
just a few bites at a time, or he could even eat them frozen, or
thawed to room temperature. That might be more fun than canned, and
ultimately cheaper, too.



If there's leftover rice or oatmeal, you could freeze it and add it
to something you're cooking later, or if you have a dog you could add
something else to it and make dog food.

Stressing over something that costs less than a dollar should
probably be compared to the price of one visit to a counsellor, or
the cost of one day's worth of medication for high blood pressure.
It's just not worth the anger.



Sandra

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donnakeeble

How should we deal
> with this? There are only so many containers the fridge can hold and
> they go bad or nobody wants it.
>
Check out vermiculture: http://www.wormwoman.com/acatalog/index.html
It is a great way to handle household waste and I love worms as
low-maintenance pets <BWG>. Or we feed leftovers to my son's
pot-bellied pig.
Donna

halfshadow1

-yeah uh, what i meant was when he does it with 2 0r 3 cans a day and
that can add up. Meds and consouler(do i need one?LOL) would be
covered with insurance. I wanted to see if anyone knew why kids do
this also but that freezer idea is good.-- In
[email protected], Sandra Dodd <Sandra@...> wrote:
>
> -=-Alot of times my son will ask for a can of corn/carrots or something
> and once we open it he will say I don't want it after he takes one
> bite. This is all stuff he likes and has eaten before. My dh and I
> feel angry when he does this because he wont eat it later. Not so much
> with the cans mostly angry when he asks for rice or oatmeal, we will
> cook it for him and then say he doesn't want it. How should we deal
> with this? There are only so many containers the fridge can hold and
> they go bad or nobody wants it. We ask him if he's sure he wants the
> oatmeal and he says yes but changes his mind...why?-=-
>
>
>
> I don't know why, but if you use frozen vegetables you can microwave
> just a few bites at a time, or he could even eat them frozen, or
> thawed to room temperature. That might be more fun than canned, and
> ultimately cheaper, too.
>
>
>
> If there's leftover rice or oatmeal, you could freeze it and add it
> to something you're cooking later, or if you have a dog you could add
> something else to it and make dog food.
>
> Stressing over something that costs less than a dollar should
> probably be compared to the price of one visit to a counsellor, or
> the cost of one day's worth of medication for high blood pressure.
> It's just not worth the anger.
>
>
>
> Sandra
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Z M

I would say make your kids meals instead of random canned veggies ..look up
recipes or a kids cookbook and involve your child in choosing recipes and
produce and creating the meals with you also teaching your kids about
managing money making grocery lists and budgeting could help him understand
why you care ..you could also teach your child about the world around them
and that other people are starving maybe that sounds old fashioned but
research Darfur and show pictures of starving children some who do get to
eat ONLY rice or oatmeal ..other than that I would say plan menus cook
together and don't open 2 or 3 cans of veggies a day just because you are
unschool and respecting your kids minds doesn't mean you have to be a
"sucker "or a "pushover" talk with your kid like they are a real person and
tell them how you feel and why ..that is the only way to teach them
awareness of their inpact on their environment and the individuals around
them
Zoe

On Sun, Feb 24, 2008 at 4:30 PM, halfshadow1 <halfshadow1@...> wrote:

> -yeah uh, what i meant was when he does it with 2 0r 3 cans a day and
> that can add up. Meds and consouler(do i need one?LOL) would be
> covered with insurance. I wanted to see if anyone knew why kids do
> this also but that freezer idea is good.-- In
> [email protected] <AlwaysLearning%40yahoogroups.com>, Sandra
> Dodd <Sandra@...> wrote:
> >
> > -=-Alot of times my son will ask for a can of corn/carrots or something
> > and once we open it he will say I don't want it after he takes one
> > bite. This is all stuff he likes and has eaten before. My dh and I
> > feel angry when he does this because he wont eat it later. Not so much
> > with the cans mostly angry when he asks for rice or oatmeal, we will
> > cook it for him and then say he doesn't want it. How should we deal
> > with this? There are only so many containers the fridge can hold and
> > they go bad or nobody wants it. We ask him if he's sure he wants the
> > oatmeal and he says yes but changes his mind...why?-=-
> >
> >
> >
> > I don't know why, but if you use frozen vegetables you can microwave
> > just a few bites at a time, or he could even eat them frozen, or
> > thawed to room temperature. That might be more fun than canned, and
> > ultimately cheaper, too.
> >
> >
> >
> > If there's leftover rice or oatmeal, you could freeze it and add it
> > to something you're cooking later, or if you have a dog you could add
> > something else to it and make dog food.
> >
> > Stressing over something that costs less than a dollar should
> > probably be compared to the price of one visit to a counsellor, or
> > the cost of one day's worth of medication for high blood pressure.
> > It's just not worth the anger.
> >
> >
> >
> > Sandra
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>
>


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Pamela Sorooshian

Holy cow. That sounds pretty mean-spirited.

Instead, maybe ask the kid at another time, "So, sometimes you ask for
canned peas and then don't want them, why is that, do you think?"

I used to read about certain foods, in books, and think I wanted them,
but the reality was I didn't like them once I had them in front of me.
I remember reading Heidi and wanting bread and lots of butter - but I
really didn't like bread with butter spread thickly on it - it was
absolutely disgusting to me to feel all that fat in my mouth.

Anyway - these are usually phases, just ride it out and don't make a
big deal out of it. You can put them into a baggie and put them in the
freezer and dump them into a stew or soup later.

-pam

On Feb 24, 2008, at 5:09 PM, Z M wrote:

> I would say make your kids meals instead of random canned
> veggies ..look up
> recipes or a kids cookbook and involve your child in choosing
> recipes and
> produce and creating the meals with you also teaching your kids about
> managing money making grocery lists and budgeting could help him
> understand
> why you care ..you could also teach your child about the world
> around them
> and that other people are starving maybe that sounds old fashioned but
> research Darfur and show pictures of starving children some who do
> get to
> eat ONLY rice or oatmeal ..other than that I would say plan menus cook
> together and don't open 2 or 3 cans of veggies a day just because
> you are
> unschool and respecting your kids minds doesn't mean you have to be a
> "sucker "or a "pushover" talk with your kid like they are a real
> person and
> tell them how you feel and why ..that is the only way to teach them
> awareness of their inpact on their environment and the individuals
> around
> them



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BRIAN POLIKOWSKY

..you could also teach your child about the world around them
and that other people are starving maybe that sounds old fashioned but
research Darfur and show pictures of starving children some who do get to
eat ONLY rice or oatmeal ..


=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

Wow and make him feel guilt all his life about no finishing his food even if he is satisfied or does not like it?
I heard that a LOT growing up and all it did was make me eat everthing in my plate even if I am done or do not like it. I feel guilty if I don't eat ( working on it).
I also have a weight problem and think how much food I would not eat if it was not for that "lesson".
If he does not eat all of his food it will not automatically go to the starving kids in Darfur.
My mom to this day cannot throw any food away. She will eat almost rotten food even if she is not hungry because she feels to guilty about the starving children in Africa.
Alex







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Sandra Dodd

-=-you could also teach your child about the world
> around them
> and that other people are starving maybe that sounds old fashioned
but
> research Darfur and show pictures of starving children some who do
> get to
> eat ONLY rice or oatmeal-=-

I strongly recommend against this.

The whole "kids are starving in India" thing is abusive and
manipulative.

-=-you could also teach your child -=-

http://sandradodd.com/teaching

Please, please be wary of recommendations about teaching children
anything on this list. When someone writes, "You could teach your
child...." I think they're not thinking and writing carefully for
the target audience, or that they're very new here and haven't
thought much about unschooling.

We can help children learn, but when a child is hungry but the food
in front of him turns out not to be what he wants, that's no time to
help him learn about famines and starvation and wars in other
hemispheres. Just because not every mother in the world can take
care of her children shouldn't mean that we can't take tender care of
ours.

Sandra

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riasplace3

--- In [email protected], Pamela Sorooshian
<pamsoroosh@...> wrote:

> I used to read about certain foods, in books, and think I wanted
>them,
> but the reality was I didn't like them once I had them in front of
>me.
> I remember reading Heidi and wanting bread and lots of butter - but I
>really didn't like bread with butter spread thickly on it -


My younger brother always wants a cake with chocolate frosting when he
watches Disney's Pollyanna.

The funny thing is, he doesn't like sweets, especially cake.
: )
Ria

Wendy S.

> ..you could also teach your child about the world around them
> and that other people are starving maybe that sounds old fashioned but
> research Darfur and show pictures of starving children some who do
> get to
> eat ONLY rice or oatmeal ..

Why not compost what you don't eat? Or stick it in the fridge and eat
it later?

That's what we do...or feed it to the dogs. :-)

Wendy S. in GA
Mom to Shelby, Age 9
http://ourjourneyfantastic.blogspot.com/

Come to the Trust Birth Conference!
March 7-9, 2008 in Redondo Beach, California
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****************
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Z M

Wow you guys are really diggi*ng for negativity*
I didn't say you need to discuss starvation with your child while the
situation is at hand I was just talking about awareness My children are
unschooled and are thoughtful and intelligent and because of their tender
consciousness and care they bring up these issues Please understand I know
it would be mean and unecessary to bring up these topics during the
situation ..Also I agreed that it is not much money to spend on canned goods
or oatmeal etc I also know that these things could be composted ..I was
merely speaking of things to discuss or do to raise awareness at other times
and of coursein a age appropriate way.I do not beleive in the "clean plate
club"and would never make my kid eat all of or even any of aomething they
weren't enjoying I was thinking of ways to give them more input and self
creation into what they are eating and therefore by helping choose and
create fresh food have more power over there life and possibly more
enjoyment and interest in their food..I must say that I felt very attacked
by the responses to my post and for all of you who believe in unschooling
your children certainly seem to be all about schooling the other mothers in
the group ..I do noy guilt my kids into eating but I do let them cook..I was
responding to a mom who was getting her words not mine"angry " about her
child opening cans of food they usually like multiple times a day and not
eating them..I personally don't have this problem my husband is a chef and
my kids love cooking and we hardly use canned veggies except for beans and
occasionally corn or peas to put into other things..I am sorry you found
what I said "mean spirited " and I find it "mean spirited "to attack other
people or look for the most negative conotations you can wrench from a
paragraph that is why I made a point to say "this may sound old fashioned"
,,but i don't believe in bringing up starvation etc in an old fashioned you
better because people are starving self defeating damaging way..I don't
think anything is wrong with teaching global awareness to your children I
also teach my kids about the war and i don't do it to hurt and manipulate
them just to teach him what we are up against growing up in the american
society we are in unfortunatly some people are too busy trying to figure out
how not to teach their kids instead of trying to figure out how to give your
kids the tools to ask questions researxh seek the truth and teach themselves
I will now happily delete myself from your group ..I prefer john holt, A.s.
neill and ivan illich -peace out
On Sun, Feb 24, 2008 at 8:43 PM, riasplace3 <riasplace3@...> wrote:

> --- In [email protected] <AlwaysLearning%40yahoogroups.com>,
> Pamela Sorooshian
> <pamsoroosh@...> wrote:
>
> > I used to read about certain foods, in books, and think I wanted
> >them,
> > but the reality was I didn't like them once I had them in front of
> >me.
> > I remember reading Heidi and wanting bread and lots of butter - but I
> >really didn't like bread with butter spread thickly on it -
>
> My younger brother always wants a cake with chocolate frosting when he
> watches Disney's Pollyanna.
>
> The funny thing is, he doesn't like sweets, especially cake.
> : )
> Ria
>
>
>


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Sandra Dodd

-=-I must say that I felt very attacked
by the responses to my post and for all of you who believe in
unschooling
your children certainly seem to be all about schooling the other
mothers in
the group -=-

Have we not JUST RECENTLY been discussing this? Maybe I'm thinking
of similar stuff at Unschooling.info.

There was a mom once who came to a list and was supporting spanking,
in a very blustery and cavalier way. She got jumped by other moms.
She actually came back and said we had *made her cry.*

Someone who had voluntarily chosen to post that it was okay to spank
kids (which I presume makes them cry) whined that adults with
opinions about being nicer to children had made her cry.

A very young child does NOT need to know about war and starvation.
There can be peace SOMEwhere in the world (at least in the lives of
young children outside of war zones)...

-=-,,but i don't believe in bringing up starvation etc in an old
fashioned you

better because people are starving self defeating damaging way.-=-

There isn't a bolstering, loving way to bring it up.

-=-I don't

think anything is wrong with teaching global awareness to your
children I
also teach my kids about the war and i don't do it to hurt and
manipulate
them just to teach him what we are up against growing up in the american
society we are in unfortunatly some people are too busy trying to
figure out
how not to teach their kids instead of trying to figure out how to
give your
kids the tools to ask questions researxh seek the truth and teach
themselves-=-

TEACH, teach, teach. That was the objection . You're talking about
teaching and not about learning.

-=-unfortunatly some people are too busy trying to figure out how not
to teach their kids-=-


This lists exists to help people figure out how not to teach their kids.

-=-Wow you guys are really diggi*ng for negativity*-=-

No one visited anyone's home digging for anything. This list exists
for years, and people come by (the poster had joined *today* and post
without reading a while first, and then jump on us for responding.

We read this list, kinda minding our own business (or minding the
business of the list's purpose) and people come by and voluntarily
bare their too-candid souls, but don't want feedback?!

The good thing is that there are some hundreds of lurking readers who
are undecided or unclear who will glean some good stuff from these
exchanges and reactions.

Sandra



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Sandra Dodd

-=-Check out vermiculture: http://www.wormwoman.com/acatalog/index.html
It is a great way to handle household waste and I love worms as
low-maintenance pets <BWG>. -=-

I went there and it was so fun, I ordered $20 worth of worms. Then I
remembered I'm going to Arizona Friday morning.

So I read some more about that all, and made a worm-home, and a lid
for it with a handle, and holes in the bottom and a tray. And I've
briefed the kids on what to do if the worms haven't arrived by
Thursday, and to leave a light on so they won't be tempted to crawl
out. We have a paper shredder and dirt and so I'll have their
little home all ready for them by the time I leave town.



I really didn't mean to buy worms this week, and I have THREE compost
piles working fine in the yard, but that's how life goes when things
are exciting. (It will be fun, and we'll get quicker soil.)

Sandra

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Pamela Sorooshian

On Feb 25, 2008, at 12:19 AM, Sandra Dodd wrote:

> I really didn't mean to buy worms this week, and I have THREE compost
> piles working fine in the yard, but that's how life goes when things
> are exciting. (It will be fun, and we'll get quicker soil.)

I had a worm composting bin for about 3 years, in a rubbermaid
container with holes drilled in it, under my kitchen sink. If you take
off the lid and cover one side with red cellophane, the worms all go
to the covered side and you can see them. That way you can get all the
compost out of the uncovered side, without taking out the worms.

After a few years, I decided to dump the whole thing into our big
outdoor compost piles. I kept imagining what that was like for the
worms, suddenly being out in the wild! <G>

We just started it with red worms that they sell at bait shops for
fishermen around here. Worked great.


-pam

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Janet Ford

My son also does this a lot. Our one food rule is: Eat what you want and leave the rest. :)

Because I know he's like this most of the time, I either serve myself smaller portions, then eat what he didn't after he's done. Works fairly well. I will also save it for later. I work on the weekends and take the leftovers to work for lunch and dinner.

At times NOT related to mealtime, we do discuss how people in other countries don't always get a good meal to eat, and I'm thankful that we have plenty. And we have talked about how my parents used to MAKE us clean our plate, and would make us sit and stare at cold, yukky vegetables for hours, then bring it back out for breakfast if we didn't eat it. Just taught me that my mother could be mean (which is what her mother did to her, and her mother's mother did also). How I never saw the point, still don't see the point, and won't make them do it either.

Janet


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melissa_hice

>
>
> My younger brother always wants a cake with chocolate frosting when
he
> watches Disney's Pollyanna.
>
> The funny thing is, he doesn't like sweets, especially cake.
> : )
> Ria
>
That is so funny! Reminds me of my dd(8). When she was about 3 or 4,
she would have to have carrot sticks whenever she watched Mazie the
Mouse. If she didn't have the carrot sticks RIGHT when the part of
the show came on where Mazzie fed the bunnies carrots, she would have
a major screaming fit! We would have to start the ENTIRE movie over
again and I would have to wait with carrots in hand until that
particular part started. She seldom ate but one carrot, but she had
to have exactly the same amount of carrots as Mazie had! I'd eat the
rest or put them in the refrigerator for later.

There was another video, The Hungry Caterpillar, and I would have to
be ready with apple slices to hand her so that she could eat them at
exactly the same time the caterpillar in the video did. BUT they
couldn't have any brown spots on them so I had to time exactly when I
cut them up so that they would be ready, but not brown! I sure ate
lots of brown apples during that time period, and sometimes, I just
put them in the compost pile outside.

She has outgrown that phase. Soemtimes I look back and actually miss
those times (she cuts her own apple and carrot slices now) when I
was "needed" more. They grow so fast!

Melissa

melissa_hice

I went to the Wormwoman site and dd(8) walked by and became
interested in what I was looking at. She sat down next to me and got
all excited about worms! We looked at what was on that site, then
went to our library's website. She looked through the books
available (she just looks at the picture of the book and has me read
the title)and had me order the ones she wants. Also some videos.
Then I remembered that I had the Insect Lore catalog and she looked
through that as well. I ended up ordering her the Worm Nursery.
Hopefully, we'll get it soon.

I like Insect Lore for younger kids, although, Sandra, I'd like to
know more about how you made your worm home (pictures?). The one we
ordered will be very small and is basically for raising worms from
whatever they are as babies to adult then releasing them. It comes
with compost, but it would be fun to learn how to make our own
compost for worms.

Melissa

--- In [email protected], Sandra Dodd <Sandra@...> wrote:
>
> -=-Check out vermiculture:
http://www.wormwoman.com/acatalog/index.html
> It is a great way to handle household waste and I love worms as
> low-maintenance pets <BWG>. -=-
>
> I went there and it was so fun, I ordered $20 worth of worms. Then
I
> remembered I'm going to Arizona Friday morning.
>
> So I read some more about that all, and made a worm-home, and a
lid
> for it with a handle, and holes in the bottom and a tray. And
I've
> briefed the kids on what to do if the worms haven't arrived by
> Thursday, and to leave a light on so they won't be tempted to
crawl
> out. We have a paper shredder and dirt and so I'll have their
> little home all ready for them by the time I leave town.
>
>
>
> I really didn't mean to buy worms this week, and I have THREE
compost
> piles working fine in the yard, but that's how life goes when
things
> are exciting. (It will be fun, and we'll get quicker soil.)
>
> Sandra
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Sandra Dodd

-=-I had a worm composting bin for about 3 years, in a rubbermaid
container with holes drilled in it, under my kitchen sink. If you take
off the lid and cover one side with red cellophane, the worms all go
to the covered side and you can see them. That way you can get all the
compost out of the uncovered side, without taking out the worms.-=-



I remembered you having that.

I made this out of a clear plastic bucket, thinking "Ant Farm." I
think worms just wander aimlessly and I don't think they make any
rooms or nests, so it won't be as exciting as ant farms used to be (I
used to *LOVE* gallon jars of ants, but when I got older I felt sorry
for the ants and quit keeping any locked up). I figured if
sometimes I covered the sides with dark cloth a just peeked sometimes
I might get to see some worms against the edges. I don't want to
cover the whole thing, though, or they might crawl out. Maybe I'll
make the bucket a dark skirt. Some drapery. <g>

Keith, Marty and Holly are all amused at my "oops" about ordering
when I'm leaving town, and have all agreed to be briefed on what I've
learned and set up before I leave. I'm going to put them in an
unheated enclosed porch (by the faucet in the sunroom, for those who
know my house).

I'm glad I can get excited about worms and dirt. It makes life
better for me.

Sandra

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Sandra Dodd

-=-, Sandra, I'd like to
know more about how you made your worm home (pictures?).-=-



Okay. In a few days when I set it up I'll put photos on my blog and
leave a note here.

And those of you who've done it can coach me. I'd appreciate advice
and ideas. We have lots of room and if the clear plastic thing
doesn't work or the bucket is too small, we have bigger containers or
could get some. One site talked about making wooden worm bins.
Keith has lots of wood and saws and all that, if that turns out to be
a better idea.

Sandra

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Vicki Dennis

Vicki is also amused. Actually made me smile when I read about it. And
brought memories of not exactly the same situation but similar actions. And
how my boys were helpful for their "dotty" mama.

vicki

On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 12:09 PM, Sandra Dodd <Sandra@...> wrote:

> -
> Keith, Marty and Holly are all amused at my "oops" about ordering
> when I'm leaving town, and have all agreed to be briefed on what I've
> learned and set up before I leave. I'm going to put them in an
> unheated enclosed porch (by the faucet in the sunroom, for those who
> know my house).
>
> I
>


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wisdomalways5

perhaps the picture on the can look good to him and when he tastes
one it is just not what he thought but the picture looks inviting so
he wants to try again.

Julie


--- In [email protected], "Z M" <zmada82@...> wrote:
>
> I would say make your kids meals instead of random canned
veggies ..look up
> recipes or a kids cookbook and involve your child in choosing
recipes and
> produce and creating the meals with you also teaching your kids
about
> managing money making grocery lists and budgeting could help him
understand
> why you care ..you could also teach your child about the world
around them
> and that other people are starving maybe that sounds old fashioned
but
> research Darfur and show pictures of starving children some who do
get to
> eat ONLY rice or oatmeal ..other than that I would say plan menus
cook
> together and don't open 2 or 3 cans of veggies a day just because
you are
> unschool and respecting your kids minds doesn't mean you have to
be a
> "sucker "or a "pushover" talk with your kid like they are a real
person and
> tell them how you feel and why ..that is the only way to teach them
> awareness of their inpact on their environment and the individuals
around
> them
> Zoe
>
> On Sun, Feb 24, 2008 at 4:30 PM, halfshadow1 <halfshadow1@...>
wrote:
>
> > -yeah uh, what i meant was when he does it with 2 0r 3 cans a
day and
> > that can add up. Meds and consouler(do i need one?LOL) would be
> > covered with insurance. I wanted to see if anyone knew why kids
do
> > this also but that freezer idea is good.-- In
> > [email protected] <AlwaysLearning%
40yahoogroups.com>, Sandra
> > Dodd <Sandra@> wrote:
> > >
> > > -=-Alot of times my son will ask for a can of corn/carrots or
something
> > > and once we open it he will say I don't want it after he takes
one
> > > bite. This is all stuff he likes and has eaten before. My dh
and I
> > > feel angry when he does this because he wont eat it later. Not
so much
> > > with the cans mostly angry when he asks for rice or oatmeal,
we will
> > > cook it for him and then say he doesn't want it. How should we
deal
> > > with this? There are only so many containers the fridge can
hold and
> > > they go bad or nobody wants it. We ask him if he's sure he
wants the
> > > oatmeal and he says yes but changes his mind...why?-=-
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I don't know why, but if you use frozen vegetables you can
microwave
> > > just a few bites at a time, or he could even eat them frozen,
or
> > > thawed to room temperature. That might be more fun than
canned, and
> > > ultimately cheaper, too.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > If there's leftover rice or oatmeal, you could freeze it and
add it
> > > to something you're cooking later, or if you have a dog you
could add
> > > something else to it and make dog food.
> > >
> > > Stressing over something that costs less than a dollar should
> > > probably be compared to the price of one visit to a
counsellor, or
> > > the cost of one day's worth of medication for high blood
pressure.
> > > It's just not worth the anger.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Sandra
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

donnakeeble

--- In [email protected], Sandra Dodd <Sandra@...> wrote:
>
> -=-, Sandra, I'd like to
> know more about how you made your worm home (pictures?).-=-
>
>
>
> Okay. In a few days when I set it up I'll put photos on my blog and
> leave a note here.
>
> And those of you who've done it can coach me. I'd appreciate advice
> and ideas. We have lots of room and if the clear plastic thing
> doesn't work or the bucket is too small, we have bigger containers or
> could get some. One site talked about making wooden worm bins.
> Keith has lots of wood and saws and all that, if that turns out to be
> a better idea.
>
> Sandra

We are using a dark plastic storage bin - probably about 10 or 15
gallons with some small holes drilled into the lid for aeration. We
started with some shredded paper, a bit of compost and about 2 dozen
worms from another person's bin. The red worms can eat their own
weight in food each day (nightcrawlers are lazier and do not eat as
much). The bin was going great for two months as we added food scraps
and paper products daily. We would check for eggs, baby worms, large
adults, etc... Noel and I even found two worms mating!!!
http://www.urbanext.uiuc.edu/worms/anatomy/anatomy11.html I never
knew... and we put the lid back on that little adventure. Anyway, our
mistake was to give away too many worms and the process came to a
standstill. So I have just ordered a pound of worms to get it
restarted and maybe even use a 20 gallon bin. The woman I spoke to at
wormwoman was great and very helpful at "trouble shooting".

I am not sure about clear plastic - I do not know if they need the
darkness or if you can just keep it under a sink and then have the
advantage of seeing in when you want. I know you have to have a lid
to help control moisture and keep the little buggers in...

One mom shared that she would put in whole apples versus cores just to
see the difference in breakdown. I put in avocado pits and they take
months. They are not supposed to be fond of citrus, onion, or
broccoli. Eggshells need to be rinsed and NO meat or dairy - would
that make them vegans??

We have a couple of manure piles out back so this is more for fun, but
apparently you can handle a lot of household waste this way.

More than enough to get you started....

Donna

Kim King

Oooh... that can be annoying, can't it! We've found
that making the switch to frozen veggies helps a bit.
You can literally make a one or two tablespoon serving
at a time. If they change their mind, it's a small
tasty treat for the dogs ;-) I've even been guilty of
just dumping it back into the family pot in the case
of rice, oatmeal,etc.

I might also suggest that toddlers are sometimes just
a bit overwhelmed by too much of anything on the
plate. I often recommend that parents serve them less
than they think they might eat, and offer more as
desired.

I've frankly been guilty of the same rather capricious
change of heart, realizing after making something,
that it wasn't at all what I wanted to eat. I guess
some of us never outgrow that.

kim k

--- halfshadow1 <halfshadow1@...> wrote:

> Alot of times my son will ask for a can of
> corn/carrots or something
> and once we open it he will say I don't want it
> after he takes one
> bite. This is all stuff he likes and has eaten
> before. My dh and I
> feel angry when he does this because he wont eat it
> later. Not so much
> with the cans mostly angry when he asks for rice or
> oatmeal, we will
> cook it for him and then say he doesn't want it. How
> should we deal
> with this? There are only so many containers the
> fridge can hold and
> they go bad or nobody wants it. We ask him if he's
> sure he wants the
> oatmeal and he says yes but changes his mind...why?
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
> (Yahoo! ID required)
>
> mailto:[email protected]
>
>
>

halfshadow1

-Does it smell?-- In [email protected], "donnakeeble"
<donnakeeble@...> wrote:
>
> --- In [email protected], Sandra Dodd <Sandra@> wrote:
> >
> > -=-, Sandra, I'd like to
> > know more about how you made your worm home (pictures?).-=-
> >
> >
> >
> > Okay. In a few days when I set it up I'll put photos on my blog and
> > leave a note here.
> >
> > And those of you who've done it can coach me. I'd appreciate advice
> > and ideas. We have lots of room and if the clear plastic thing
> > doesn't work or the bucket is too small, we have bigger containers
or
> > could get some. One site talked about making wooden worm bins.
> > Keith has lots of wood and saws and all that, if that turns out to
be
> > a better idea.
> >
> > Sandra
>
> We are using a dark plastic storage bin - probably about 10 or 15
> gallons with some small holes drilled into the lid for aeration. We
> started with some shredded paper, a bit of compost and about 2 dozen
> worms from another person's bin. The red worms can eat their own
> weight in food each day (nightcrawlers are lazier and do not eat as
> much). The bin was going great for two months as we added food scraps
> and paper products daily. We would check for eggs, baby worms, large
> adults, etc... Noel and I even found two worms mating!!!
> http://www.urbanext.uiuc.edu/worms/anatomy/anatomy11.html I never
> knew... and we put the lid back on that little adventure. Anyway, our
> mistake was to give away too many worms and the process came to a
> standstill. So I have just ordered a pound of worms to get it
> restarted and maybe even use a 20 gallon bin. The woman I spoke to at
> wormwoman was great and very helpful at "trouble shooting".
>
> I am not sure about clear plastic - I do not know if they need the
> darkness or if you can just keep it under a sink and then have the
> advantage of seeing in when you want. I know you have to have a lid
> to help control moisture and keep the little buggers in...
>
> One mom shared that she would put in whole apples versus cores just to
> see the difference in breakdown. I put in avocado pits and they take
> months. They are not supposed to be fond of citrus, onion, or
> broccoli. Eggshells need to be rinsed and NO meat or dairy - would
> that make them vegans??
>
> We have a couple of manure piles out back so this is more for fun, but
> apparently you can handle a lot of household waste this way.
>
> More than enough to get you started....
>
> Donna
>

halfshadow1

For awhile he would only eat the string beans with the pic of sponge
bob on them. <g>--- In [email protected], "wisdomalways5"
<wisdom1133@...> wrote:
>
> perhaps the picture on the can look good to him and when he tastes
> one it is just not what he thought but the picture looks inviting so
> he wants to try again.
>
> Julie
>
>
> --- In [email protected], "Z M" <zmada82@> wrote:
> >
> > I would say make your kids meals instead of random canned
> veggies ..look up
> > recipes or a kids cookbook and involve your child in choosing
> recipes and
> > produce and creating the meals with you also teaching your kids
> about
> > managing money making grocery lists and budgeting could help him
> understand
> > why you care ..you could also teach your child about the world
> around them
> > and that other people are starving maybe that sounds old fashioned
> but
> > research Darfur and show pictures of starving children some who do
> get to
> > eat ONLY rice or oatmeal ..other than that I would say plan menus
> cook
> > together and don't open 2 or 3 cans of veggies a day just because
> you are
> > unschool and respecting your kids minds doesn't mean you have to
> be a
> > "sucker "or a "pushover" talk with your kid like they are a real
> person and
> > tell them how you feel and why ..that is the only way to teach them
> > awareness of their inpact on their environment and the individuals
> around
> > them
> > Zoe
> >
> > On Sun, Feb 24, 2008 at 4:30 PM, halfshadow1 <halfshadow1@>
> wrote:
> >
> > > -yeah uh, what i meant was when he does it with 2 0r 3 cans a
> day and
> > > that can add up. Meds and consouler(do i need one?LOL) would be
> > > covered with insurance. I wanted to see if anyone knew why kids
> do
> > > this also but that freezer idea is good.-- In
> > > [email protected] <AlwaysLearning%
> 40yahoogroups.com>, Sandra
> > > Dodd <Sandra@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > -=-Alot of times my son will ask for a can of corn/carrots or
> something
> > > > and once we open it he will say I don't want it after he takes
> one
> > > > bite. This is all stuff he likes and has eaten before. My dh
> and I
> > > > feel angry when he does this because he wont eat it later. Not
> so much
> > > > with the cans mostly angry when he asks for rice or oatmeal,
> we will
> > > > cook it for him and then say he doesn't want it. How should we
> deal
> > > > with this? There are only so many containers the fridge can
> hold and
> > > > they go bad or nobody wants it. We ask him if he's sure he
> wants the
> > > > oatmeal and he says yes but changes his mind...why?-=-
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I don't know why, but if you use frozen vegetables you can
> microwave
> > > > just a few bites at a time, or he could even eat them frozen,
> or
> > > > thawed to room temperature. That might be more fun than
> canned, and
> > > > ultimately cheaper, too.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > If there's leftover rice or oatmeal, you could freeze it and
> add it
> > > > to something you're cooking later, or if you have a dog you
> could add
> > > > something else to it and make dog food.
> > > >
> > > > Stressing over something that costs less than a dollar should
> > > > probably be compared to the price of one visit to a
> counsellor, or
> > > > the cost of one day's worth of medication for high blood
> pressure.
> > > > It's just not worth the anger.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Sandra
> > > >
> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>

donnakeeble

--- In [email protected], "halfshadow1" <halfshadow1@...>
wrote:
>
> -Does it smell?-- In [email protected],

If it is all processing properly, it smells like fresh soil.
Donna

riasplace3

> I'm glad I can get excited about worms and dirt. It makes life
> better for me.

I like those sentences. <g>

I was reading last night and came across an interesting-looking inn
which has worm bins...and thought someone here might be interested,
since we've been talking about worms.
http://hike-inn.com/conservation.asp
The information about their worms is the next-to-bottom one.

I thought it was cool that I came across it *just now* when they've
just been mentioned. Last week when baroque music was mentioned, I
actually came across "baroque" three times, other places, and as I
just typed this, heard it again. : )

Ria

donnakeeble

>
> I'm glad I can get excited about worms and dirt. It makes life
> better for me.
>
> Sandra
>
I was telling my husband about this and we were laughing. Really, how
good is life when it just takes something so simple to make you
happy?!?! Others may want so much in life, but for some it just takes
a pound of worms.....
Donna

Sandra Dodd

-=-We are using a dark plastic storage bin - probably about 10 or 15
gallons with some small holes drilled into the lid for aeration.-=-

I read to drill holes in the bottom, and then put close-woven cloth
(nylon was the recommendation, probably in part I guess because it
won't rot easily and worms won't want to eat it as they might eat
cotton), then shredded paper. I haven't set it up fully yet, but
will document my first attempt (not on the list, so those of you who
might be thinking "shush it with the worms already!" will be safe soon.



> I'm glad I can get excited about worms and dirt. It makes life
> better for me.
>
> Sandra
>
-=-I was telling my husband about this and we were laughing. Really, how
good is life when it just takes something so simple to make you
happy?!?! Others may want so much in life, but for some it just takes
a pound of worms.....
Donna -=-

I think it might be part of what makes unschooling work. Maybe we
should discuss how to help people get from cynicism and impatience to
some sort of "smell the roses" state. I suppose roses need compost,
and compost needs worms, so once again what seemed off topic rolls
back around!! <bwg>



Sandra






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Robin Marcoccia

Thank you guys! We are going to the Hike Inn friday and I had no
idea they did worm composting! Since the conversation here a few
days ago, I've talked with my daughter about building a bin and
sending for some red wigglers. Now we have another fun tie-in for
our stay there this weekend. Connections. I love this list!
Robin
On Feb 26, 2008, at 11:23 AM, riasplace3 wrote:

>
>
>
> I was reading last night and came across an interesting-looking inn
> which has worm bins...and thought someone here might be interested,
> since we've been talking about worms.
> http://hike-inn.com/conservation.asp
> The information about their worms is the next-to-bottom one.
>



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