Seeking Post-Highschool Unschooling Advice
Venus Cassandra
Hi Unschoolers!
I just thought I'd introduce myself in the group, since I just
recently joined. My interest in unschooling began sometime in the 8th
grade or the latter parts of 9th grade. Reading The Teenage Liberation
Handbook was a real eye opening experience for me! It helped that I
was also becoming interested in political theory that was skeptical of
the desirability of rigid authority and power structures.
Anyhow, I won't go into that here, because I saw Sandra Dodd ask that
political discussion be excluded from the list. If anyone wants to
contact me privately about political issues related to education, than
they can email me at chessanarch@....
Back to the unschooling chat ( :
I ended up dropping out of high school, and I got my GED in November
of 2004. I am 20 now, and I've completed three semesters of college. I
had two classes in the first two, and I completed three this last
semester. I have all A's and B's, except for two D's during a semester
I was really depressed.
Sometimes, listening to the lectures is interesting, and I do enjoy
one on one interaction with a professor here or there, but I really
dislike the grading/stamp of approval aspects of it. I don't mind
getting feedback on projects I undertake in life, but I feel that
letter grades don't tell anything substantive, except that I did or
didn't do what was of asked me to a certain extent.
The problem is that so much of the world seems stuck on people being
able to show they've been a cog in the machine, or jumped through
certain hoops whether or not they really wanted to. I feel that I
could acquire knowledge and skills on my own in an intelligent fashion
that should make me attractive to an employer or customer who values
independence, creativity, and intelligence. I have high medical costs,
so I need a way to afford health insurance, and I know that a
professional job usually has that. I am also planning on leaving the
United States and wonder about how immigration authorities in New
Zealand will look upon me.
What I am curious about is non-collegiate paths that lead to a fairly
decent income, and if anyone has had the experience of successfully
getting an enjoyable job based on an unschooling collegiate portfolio.
Also, if anyone knows about charities that pay for healthcare costs,
than that would be helpful too.
All the best,
Venus
--
Venus Cassandra
http://www.lifeloveandliberty.com/
Philosophical Anarchism, Free Market Economics, and Cultural Bohemianism
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Life_Love_and_Liberty/
Alliance of the Libertarian Left
http://all-left.net/
I just thought I'd introduce myself in the group, since I just
recently joined. My interest in unschooling began sometime in the 8th
grade or the latter parts of 9th grade. Reading The Teenage Liberation
Handbook was a real eye opening experience for me! It helped that I
was also becoming interested in political theory that was skeptical of
the desirability of rigid authority and power structures.
Anyhow, I won't go into that here, because I saw Sandra Dodd ask that
political discussion be excluded from the list. If anyone wants to
contact me privately about political issues related to education, than
they can email me at chessanarch@....
Back to the unschooling chat ( :
I ended up dropping out of high school, and I got my GED in November
of 2004. I am 20 now, and I've completed three semesters of college. I
had two classes in the first two, and I completed three this last
semester. I have all A's and B's, except for two D's during a semester
I was really depressed.
Sometimes, listening to the lectures is interesting, and I do enjoy
one on one interaction with a professor here or there, but I really
dislike the grading/stamp of approval aspects of it. I don't mind
getting feedback on projects I undertake in life, but I feel that
letter grades don't tell anything substantive, except that I did or
didn't do what was of asked me to a certain extent.
The problem is that so much of the world seems stuck on people being
able to show they've been a cog in the machine, or jumped through
certain hoops whether or not they really wanted to. I feel that I
could acquire knowledge and skills on my own in an intelligent fashion
that should make me attractive to an employer or customer who values
independence, creativity, and intelligence. I have high medical costs,
so I need a way to afford health insurance, and I know that a
professional job usually has that. I am also planning on leaving the
United States and wonder about how immigration authorities in New
Zealand will look upon me.
What I am curious about is non-collegiate paths that lead to a fairly
decent income, and if anyone has had the experience of successfully
getting an enjoyable job based on an unschooling collegiate portfolio.
Also, if anyone knows about charities that pay for healthcare costs,
than that would be helpful too.
All the best,
Venus
--
Venus Cassandra
http://www.lifeloveandliberty.com/
Philosophical Anarchism, Free Market Economics, and Cultural Bohemianism
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Life_Love_and_Liberty/
Alliance of the Libertarian Left
http://all-left.net/
MrsStranahan
On Jan 2, 2008 4:57 PM, Venus Cassandra <chessanarch@...> wrote:
> I am also planning on leaving the[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> United States and wonder about how immigration authorities in New
> Zealand will look upon me.
>
> --------------------------------------
>
> My husband and I have looked into moving to New Zealand. If I remember
> correctly NZ has a points system .. so many points for a degree, so many
> points for age/health and so on .. I can't find it now, but I think it's
> here somewhere - http://www.immigration.govt.nz/
>
> Lauren
>
> _,___
>
Pamela Sorooshian
On Jan 2, 2008, at 4:57 PM, Venus Cassandra wrote:
inspired and get lots and lots of ideas.
My 23 year old works for a charity - a nonprofit organization called
"Project Independence." She is supervisor of their "Access to
Adventure" program - meaning she organizes and runs all kinds of
events and excursions for people with developmental disabilities -
everything from bowling to hiking to an Alaska cruise and a trip to
London! She is paid a good salary and full benefits, including health
benefits. Their website is here <http://www.proindependence.org/special_events_access.htm
her the job. Her degree is in Recreation and Leisure Studies. She
LOVED her degree program - felt like all the professors really thought
like unschoolers - she'd joke that she was majoring in unschooling -
because they SO understood that people really learn more from what are
usually called recreation or leisure activities than from conventional
educational activities.
-Pam
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>Have a look at "The Uncollege Alternative" - great book, you'll be
> What I am curious about is non-collegiate paths that lead to a fairly
> decent income, and if anyone has had the experience of successfully
> getting an enjoyable job based on an unschooling collegiate portfolio.
> Also, if anyone knows about charities that pay for healthcare costs,
> than that would be helpful too.
inspired and get lots and lots of ideas.
My 23 year old works for a charity - a nonprofit organization called
"Project Independence." She is supervisor of their "Access to
Adventure" program - meaning she organizes and runs all kinds of
events and excursions for people with developmental disabilities -
everything from bowling to hiking to an Alaska cruise and a trip to
London! She is paid a good salary and full benefits, including health
benefits. Their website is here <http://www.proindependence.org/special_events_access.htm
> if anybody is interested <G>.She does have a college degree and that was instrumental in landing
her the job. Her degree is in Recreation and Leisure Studies. She
LOVED her degree program - felt like all the professors really thought
like unschoolers - she'd joke that she was majoring in unschooling -
because they SO understood that people really learn more from what are
usually called recreation or leisure activities than from conventional
educational activities.
-Pam
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Sandra Dodd
-=-She does have a college degree and that was instrumental in landing
her the job. Her degree is in Recreation and Leisure Studies. She
LOVED her degree program - felt like all the professors really thought
like unschoolers - she'd joke that she was majoring in unschooling -
because they SO understood that people really learn more from what are
usually called recreation or leisure activities than from conventional
educational activities.-=-
Because the question was about "non-collegiate paths that lead to a
fairly decent income" I want to point out that Pam's daughter didn't
follow a path to prepare for college. She unschooled. She did cool
stuff and learned from it, she didn't learn in order to hope to do
cool stuff in the future.
It's important to get away from "paths," collegiate or otherwise.
My oldest is working a cool job he likes and his friends are envious
and his "path" was to start playing video games when he was a baby
and never stop. His hours aren't "normal." His "path" to that was
staying up as late as he wanted and going to bed when he needed to.
The exploration of the world can't have an end goal in site, or
people start making choices toward the goal (college, money) instead
of doing the interesting things to learn the unusual things that will
eventually lead them to people and places where they will be welcomed
and appreciated for what they have learned naturally.
Keep your life and your child's life busy and rich with real-world
experiences and activities. Get them cameras or leatherworking kits
if they want them. Don't be stingy about helping them attend a
conference or a camp where they'll meet other people interested in
what they're interested in. If they're playing Rock Band, spring for
some extra songs and another guitar.
If you are dwelling in thoughts of the future, you'll miss January 4
and the wonders you might have discovered.
Sandra
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her the job. Her degree is in Recreation and Leisure Studies. She
LOVED her degree program - felt like all the professors really thought
like unschoolers - she'd joke that she was majoring in unschooling -
because they SO understood that people really learn more from what are
usually called recreation or leisure activities than from conventional
educational activities.-=-
Because the question was about "non-collegiate paths that lead to a
fairly decent income" I want to point out that Pam's daughter didn't
follow a path to prepare for college. She unschooled. She did cool
stuff and learned from it, she didn't learn in order to hope to do
cool stuff in the future.
It's important to get away from "paths," collegiate or otherwise.
My oldest is working a cool job he likes and his friends are envious
and his "path" was to start playing video games when he was a baby
and never stop. His hours aren't "normal." His "path" to that was
staying up as late as he wanted and going to bed when he needed to.
The exploration of the world can't have an end goal in site, or
people start making choices toward the goal (college, money) instead
of doing the interesting things to learn the unusual things that will
eventually lead them to people and places where they will be welcomed
and appreciated for what they have learned naturally.
Keep your life and your child's life busy and rich with real-world
experiences and activities. Get them cameras or leatherworking kits
if they want them. Don't be stingy about helping them attend a
conference or a camp where they'll meet other people interested in
what they're interested in. If they're playing Rock Band, spring for
some extra songs and another guitar.
If you are dwelling in thoughts of the future, you'll miss January 4
and the wonders you might have discovered.
Sandra
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Venus Cassandra
Sandra,
A beautiful response!
A beautiful response!
--- In [email protected], Sandra Dodd <Sandra@...> wrote:
>
> -=-She does have a college degree and that was instrumental in landing
> her the job. Her degree is in Recreation and Leisure Studies. She
> LOVED her degree program - felt like all the professors really thought
> like unschoolers - she'd joke that she was majoring in unschooling -
> because they SO understood that people really learn more from what are
> usually called recreation or leisure activities than from conventional
> educational activities.-=-
>
>
>
> Because the question was about "non-collegiate paths that lead to a
> fairly decent income" I want to point out that Pam's daughter didn't
> follow a path to prepare for college. She unschooled. She did cool
> stuff and learned from it, she didn't learn in order to hope to do
> cool stuff in the future.
>
> It's important to get away from "paths," collegiate or otherwise.
>
> My oldest is working a cool job he likes and his friends are envious
> and his "path" was to start playing video games when he was a baby
> and never stop. His hours aren't "normal." His "path" to that was
> staying up as late as he wanted and going to bed when he needed to.
>
> The exploration of the world can't have an end goal in site, or
> people start making choices toward the goal (college, money) instead
> of doing the interesting things to learn the unusual things that will
> eventually lead them to people and places where they will be welcomed
> and appreciated for what they have learned naturally.
>
> Keep your life and your child's life busy and rich with real-world
> experiences and activities. Get them cameras or leatherworking kits
> if they want them. Don't be stingy about helping them attend a
> conference or a camp where they'll meet other people interested in
> what they're interested in. If they're playing Rock Band, spring for
> some extra songs and another guitar.
>
> If you are dwelling in thoughts of the future, you'll miss January 4
> and the wonders you might have discovered.
>
> Sandra
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Pamela Sorooshian
On Jan 4, 2008, at 9:35 AM, Sandra Dodd wrote:
community college, she took them for their own sake, and just took
what really excited her. She wasn't taking them to fulfill college
requirements or anything like that. She took voice classes and
ceramics classes and photography and so on. We used them in the same
way others went to a dance studio or karate studio, etc. Not as "going
to college." As she got up into usual college age, maybe 19 or 20, she
decided she wanted to get a degree and only then did she even look at
what the requirements were.
Again, I recommend, "The Uncollege Alternative," especially as
inspiration for those who feel uncomfortable about not being on some
sort of college-prep path. As a college professor, I'm really firmly
convinced that most young adults would benefit much much more from
college, anyway, if they would go off and do things other than college
at least for a while, first.
-pam
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> Because the question was about "non-collegiate paths that lead to aThis is so true. Even when she took some classes at our local
> fairly decent income" I want to point out that Pam's daughter didn't
> follow a path to prepare for college. She unschooled. She did cool
> stuff and learned from it, she didn't learn in order to hope to do
> cool stuff in the future.
community college, she took them for their own sake, and just took
what really excited her. She wasn't taking them to fulfill college
requirements or anything like that. She took voice classes and
ceramics classes and photography and so on. We used them in the same
way others went to a dance studio or karate studio, etc. Not as "going
to college." As she got up into usual college age, maybe 19 or 20, she
decided she wanted to get a degree and only then did she even look at
what the requirements were.
Again, I recommend, "The Uncollege Alternative," especially as
inspiration for those who feel uncomfortable about not being on some
sort of college-prep path. As a college professor, I'm really firmly
convinced that most young adults would benefit much much more from
college, anyway, if they would go off and do things other than college
at least for a while, first.
-pam
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halfshadow1
I really liked Sandras' response. My husband often says unschooling is
fine but he wants Lukas to have a goal early, in his teens so he
doesn't have to "waste" years messing around like he did. It would be
great if with we could go on with this topic.--- In
[email protected], Sandra Dodd <Sandra@...> wrote:
fine but he wants Lukas to have a goal early, in his teens so he
doesn't have to "waste" years messing around like he did. It would be
great if with we could go on with this topic.--- In
[email protected], Sandra Dodd <Sandra@...> wrote:
>
> -=-She does have a college degree and that was instrumental in landing
> her the job. Her degree is in Recreation and Leisure Studies. She
> LOVED her degree program - felt like all the professors really thought
> like unschoolers - she'd joke that she was majoring in unschooling -
> because they SO understood that people really learn more from what are
> usually called recreation or leisure activities than from conventional
> educational activities.-=-
>
>
>
> Because the question was about "non-collegiate paths that lead to a
> fairly decent income" I want to point out that Pam's daughter didn't
> follow a path to prepare for college. She unschooled. She did cool
> stuff and learned from it, she didn't learn in order to hope to do
> cool stuff in the future.
>
> It's important to get away from "paths," collegiate or otherwise.
>
> My oldest is working a cool job he likes and his friends are envious
> and his "path" was to start playing video games when he was a baby
> and never stop. His hours aren't "normal." His "path" to that was
> staying up as late as he wanted and going to bed when he needed to.
>
> The exploration of the world can't have an end goal in site, or
> people start making choices toward the goal (college, money) instead
> of doing the interesting things to learn the unusual things that will
> eventually lead them to people and places where they will be welcomed
> and appreciated for what they have learned naturally.
>
> Keep your life and your child's life busy and rich with real-world
> experiences and activities. Get them cameras or leatherworking kits
> if they want them. Don't be stingy about helping them attend a
> conference or a camp where they'll meet other people interested in
> what they're interested in. If they're playing Rock Band, spring for
> some extra songs and another guitar.
>
> If you are dwelling in thoughts of the future, you'll miss January 4
> and the wonders you might have discovered.
>
> Sandra
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Venus Cassandra
Hi Mrs.Stranahan,
Thanks for this info! Do you know if they count individual college
credit? I have some classes under my belt.
--- In [email protected], MrsStranahan
<mrsstranahan@...> wrote:
Thanks for this info! Do you know if they count individual college
credit? I have some classes under my belt.
--- In [email protected], MrsStranahan
<mrsstranahan@...> wrote:
>remember
> On Jan 2, 2008 4:57 PM, Venus Cassandra <chessanarch@...> wrote:
>
> > I am also planning on leaving the
> > United States and wonder about how immigration authorities in New
> > Zealand will look upon me.
> >
>
>
>
>
> > --------------------------------------
> >
>
>
> > My husband and I have looked into moving to New Zealand. If I
> > correctly NZ has a points system .. so many points for a degree,so many
> > points for age/health and so on .. I can't find it now, but Ithink it's
> > here somewhere - http://www.immigration.govt.nz/
> >
>
>
>
>
>
> > Lauren
> >
> > _,___
> >
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Sandra Dodd
This is too particular and off topic for the list.
-=-Hi Mrs.Stranahan,
Thanks for this info! Do you know if they count individual college
credit? I have some classes under my belt.-=-
==========================================
Use a search engine to find the rules for emigration, please.
Sandra
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-=-Hi Mrs.Stranahan,
Thanks for this info! Do you know if they count individual college
credit? I have some classes under my belt.-=-
==========================================
Use a search engine to find the rules for emigration, please.
Sandra
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Melissa Dietrick
--- In [email protected], Sandra Dodd <Sandra@...> wrote:
ago.. (my older children went the school route as we did not know we could be "schooling"
(un) at home.what is she doing now? making money doing what she has always loved
doing...messing about with yarns and colours.
this summer she and i started an on line business sellling our weaving --of course me
have 7 children means she is the main arm of the endeavor, and I am the net and support.
my ds3 who is 13 and I am really encouraging him to let go of highschool, yet there is so
much fear...
anyway, he is always busy with his drums and crafting up stuff to support our weaving--
right now he is immersed in inventing a spinning wheel from an old singer pedal
machine...
dh never did the school route after 8th grade, and followed his passions. at first it was
just traveling, then he discovered music and followed his ear--he never did formal
training though he studies under a master musician, still today. He was offered a position
to teach his specialty in a University course at a music conservatory here in italy in 2000.
Hes still there, and no degree, though all his collegues are highly degreed and stralunati
because they had music shoved down there throats since they can remember.
he started music at 22 years of age.
hes 50 now and supports a family of 9 and we have a farm and a lovely life.
not rich but richly living.
I dont know if this testamony supports unschooling or not...but for me it just goes to
prove that school is more of a scam and hindrance than a help to live a meaningful life..
my children have been lucky that school in italy is only half days, home by lunchtime even
thru highschool. so it hasnt interfered as much as it did in my life...plus our unschooly
approach twoards life made a big difference, im sure.
my dad always told me just do what you love...I could never decide what I loved cause the
school was always there telling me to do this or that.
Im still figurring it out (er maybe children and mindful living are my love??)
anyway.
melissa
in italy
mamma of 7
2 years thru 20
all unschooled til 6 years and now dd5 is paving the way for unschooled for life (i hope!)
>...
> It's important to get away from "paths," collegiate or otherwise.
> The exploration of the world can't have an end goal in site, orhi, i really agree with this. my eldest daughter finished highschool here in italy 2 years
> people start making choices toward the goal (college, money) instead
> of doing the interesting things to learn the unusual things that will
> eventually lead them to people and places where they will be welcomed
> and appreciated for what they have learned naturally.
>
> Keep your life and your child's life busy and rich with real-world
> experiences and activities. Get them cameras or leatherworking kits
> if they want them. Don't be stingy about helping them attend a
> conference or a camp where they'll meet other people interested in
> what they're interested in. If they're playing Rock Band, spring for
> some extra songs and another guitar.
>
> If you are dwelling in thoughts of the future, you'll miss January 4
> and the wonders you might have discovered.
ago.. (my older children went the school route as we did not know we could be "schooling"
(un) at home.what is she doing now? making money doing what she has always loved
doing...messing about with yarns and colours.
this summer she and i started an on line business sellling our weaving --of course me
have 7 children means she is the main arm of the endeavor, and I am the net and support.
my ds3 who is 13 and I am really encouraging him to let go of highschool, yet there is so
much fear...
anyway, he is always busy with his drums and crafting up stuff to support our weaving--
right now he is immersed in inventing a spinning wheel from an old singer pedal
machine...
dh never did the school route after 8th grade, and followed his passions. at first it was
just traveling, then he discovered music and followed his ear--he never did formal
training though he studies under a master musician, still today. He was offered a position
to teach his specialty in a University course at a music conservatory here in italy in 2000.
Hes still there, and no degree, though all his collegues are highly degreed and stralunati
because they had music shoved down there throats since they can remember.
he started music at 22 years of age.
hes 50 now and supports a family of 9 and we have a farm and a lovely life.
not rich but richly living.
I dont know if this testamony supports unschooling or not...but for me it just goes to
prove that school is more of a scam and hindrance than a help to live a meaningful life..
my children have been lucky that school in italy is only half days, home by lunchtime even
thru highschool. so it hasnt interfered as much as it did in my life...plus our unschooly
approach twoards life made a big difference, im sure.
my dad always told me just do what you love...I could never decide what I loved cause the
school was always there telling me to do this or that.
Im still figurring it out (er maybe children and mindful living are my love??)
anyway.
melissa
in italy
mamma of 7
2 years thru 20
all unschooled til 6 years and now dd5 is paving the way for unschooled for life (i hope!)
Melissa Dietrick
i forgot to add one more little thought, actually the one that inspired me to freeze my butt
off and write... (didnt light the wood burner today)
when I was attending Umass, I met this really interesting student who just took the classes
that interested her.
She didnt worry about enrollment, as she was auditing.
she didnt worry about grades, as she was auditing AND since she was only taking the
classes she was interested in, her results were phenomenal.
she was doing what my dad was telling me to do.
I expect she was an unschooler--she always was blowing my mind with her answers
about
"arent you worried about...."
I wish I had kept in touch with her. but I dropped out (with 6mo to go) and started
travelling never to look back again.
just a thought,
now Ive gotta give the computer back to the kids who want to finish their game.
melissa
in italy
off and write... (didnt light the wood burner today)
when I was attending Umass, I met this really interesting student who just took the classes
that interested her.
She didnt worry about enrollment, as she was auditing.
she didnt worry about grades, as she was auditing AND since she was only taking the
classes she was interested in, her results were phenomenal.
she was doing what my dad was telling me to do.
I expect she was an unschooler--she always was blowing my mind with her answers
about
"arent you worried about...."
I wish I had kept in touch with her. but I dropped out (with 6mo to go) and started
travelling never to look back again.
just a thought,
now Ive gotta give the computer back to the kids who want to finish their game.
melissa
in italy
Meadow Linden
Melissa,
If you don't mind my asking, how is it that you've come to live in Italy? I am wondering because we are exploring the idea of trying to live for some amount of time in another country. Thanks,
Meadow
Melissa Dietrick <melissa.dietrick@...> wrote:
i forgot to add one more little thought, actually the one that inspired me to freeze my butt
off and write... (didnt light the wood burner today)
when I was attending Umass, I met this really interesting student who just took the classes
that interested her.
She didnt worry about enrollment, as she was auditing.
she didnt worry about grades, as she was auditing AND since she was only taking the
classes she was interested in, her results were phenomenal.
she was doing what my dad was telling me to do.
I expect she was an unschooler--she always was blowing my mind with her answers
about
"arent you worried about...."
I wish I had kept in touch with her. but I dropped out (with 6mo to go) and started
travelling never to look back again.
just a thought,
now Ive gotta give the computer back to the kids who want to finish their game.
melissa
in italy
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If you don't mind my asking, how is it that you've come to live in Italy? I am wondering because we are exploring the idea of trying to live for some amount of time in another country. Thanks,
Meadow
Melissa Dietrick <melissa.dietrick@...> wrote:
i forgot to add one more little thought, actually the one that inspired me to freeze my butt
off and write... (didnt light the wood burner today)
when I was attending Umass, I met this really interesting student who just took the classes
that interested her.
She didnt worry about enrollment, as she was auditing.
she didnt worry about grades, as she was auditing AND since she was only taking the
classes she was interested in, her results were phenomenal.
she was doing what my dad was telling me to do.
I expect she was an unschooler--she always was blowing my mind with her answers
about
"arent you worried about...."
I wish I had kept in touch with her. but I dropped out (with 6mo to go) and started
travelling never to look back again.
just a thought,
now Ive gotta give the computer back to the kids who want to finish their game.
melissa
in italy
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melissa dietrick
Hi meadow,
//If you don't mind my asking, how is it that you've come to live in
Italy? //
I sure dont mind you asking, but Im a little worried it wont be
interesting to anybody ...
like I said, I left Umass in dec of 1985, to visit an ex boyfriend in
Paris for 2 weeks over xmas vacation. He convinced me to go with him
to barcelona and so I extended my visit for one more week...we got
there and I never went back home. ex became exed again, met lorenzo
my true love lol...he gave me a silver flute to play and we started
basking around europe, to save money to go to africa...we never did
go to africa and went around the world thru india orient/japan/
hawaii...having dd1 lucia along the way in tokyo...we kept traveling
until ending back in italy where lorenzo is from in 1990.
so it was round about but mainly due tothe fact that lorenzo is from
italy.
melissa
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//If you don't mind my asking, how is it that you've come to live in
Italy? //
I sure dont mind you asking, but Im a little worried it wont be
interesting to anybody ...
like I said, I left Umass in dec of 1985, to visit an ex boyfriend in
Paris for 2 weeks over xmas vacation. He convinced me to go with him
to barcelona and so I extended my visit for one more week...we got
there and I never went back home. ex became exed again, met lorenzo
my true love lol...he gave me a silver flute to play and we started
basking around europe, to save money to go to africa...we never did
go to africa and went around the world thru india orient/japan/
hawaii...having dd1 lucia along the way in tokyo...we kept traveling
until ending back in italy where lorenzo is from in 1990.
so it was round about but mainly due tothe fact that lorenzo is from
italy.
melissa
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Nancy Wooton
On Feb 9, 2008, at 2:57 PM, melissa dietrick wrote:
sound like fun, but I can't see why a flute would be necessary <g> My
sister and her then-husband did that in the '70's, partly because the
airline they'd taken to get there went out of business and stranded
them!
Nancy
> he gave me a silver flute to play and we startedI think you mean "busking." Not that basking around Europe doesn't
> basking around europe
sound like fun, but I can't see why a flute would be necessary <g> My
sister and her then-husband did that in the '70's, partly because the
airline they'd taken to get there went out of business and stranded
them!
Nancy
Meadow Linden
Are you kidding me?! That little story was sooo interesting! Thank you for sharing it. :)
Meadow
melissa dietrick <melissa.dietrick@...> wrote:
Hi meadow,
//If you don't mind my asking, how is it that you've come to live in
Italy? //
I sure dont mind you asking, but Im a little worried it wont be
interesting to anybody ...
like I said, I left Umass in dec of 1985, to visit an ex boyfriend in
Paris for 2 weeks over xmas vacation. He convinced me to go with him
to barcelona and so I extended my visit for one more week...we got
there and I never went back home. ex became exed again, met lorenzo
my true love lol...he gave me a silver flute to play and we started
basking around europe, to save money to go to africa...we never did
go to africa and went around the world thru india orient/japan/
hawaii...having dd1 lucia along the way in tokyo...we kept traveling
until ending back in italy where lorenzo is from in 1990.
so it was round about but mainly due tothe fact that lorenzo is from
italy.
melissa
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Meadow
melissa dietrick <melissa.dietrick@...> wrote:
Hi meadow,
//If you don't mind my asking, how is it that you've come to live in
Italy? //
I sure dont mind you asking, but Im a little worried it wont be
interesting to anybody ...
like I said, I left Umass in dec of 1985, to visit an ex boyfriend in
Paris for 2 weeks over xmas vacation. He convinced me to go with him
to barcelona and so I extended my visit for one more week...we got
there and I never went back home. ex became exed again, met lorenzo
my true love lol...he gave me a silver flute to play and we started
basking around europe, to save money to go to africa...we never did
go to africa and went around the world thru india orient/japan/
hawaii...having dd1 lucia along the way in tokyo...we kept traveling
until ending back in italy where lorenzo is from in 1990.
so it was round about but mainly due tothe fact that lorenzo is from
italy.
melissa
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