Re: [AlwaysLearning] Digest Number 156
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Just have to jump in here on this tv/teethbrushing debate.
Funny how those two topics always seem to go hand in hand..!!
I used to sound a lot like you Ari.
I was raised in a house with no tv and I can tell you firsthand what happens
when you are raised that way. You become ADDICTED to it when you finally get
control of your own life. It was after I got married that I had to
"deprogram". Went through a phase of not being able to turn it off for quite
a long time (years) before I gained self control.
Why not give your kids the ability to gain control from day one? Your kids
WILL have control of all their own choices one day whether you like it or not.
Why not let them learn self control in their own home, a safe environment,
before being on their own and not knowing what to do with the freedom?
Same with food.
Only the things that are limited and controlled become objects of obsession.
I am a health freak. My kids will hear my opinion on certain additives and
sugars.
And then they will decide for themselves what to do with that information.
I keep a wide variety of foods available to them and they choose a lot of the
groceries.
They just asked me to do another "food as art" day with them and the first
food they requested was broccoli. Yes, broccoli.
They sometimes eat a sweet muffin or other "unhealthy food" before a meal and
you know what? It's never affected their appetite. They still eat vegetables,
pasta or whatever else is available.
The went through a huge binge of ice cream when I finally started relaxing. I
still have to buy them their OWN foods (still fearful that someone else will
eat it and they won't get more of the cherished item) but they are starting
to relax too. Because they know it is available and not controlled by me...if
they want a food they ask me to pick it up at the store. No big deal.
I have a nephew that hardly EVER brushes his teeth. I was horrified when I
saw the scum on them last summer. Once a week his Mom can't stand it anymore
and brushes them for him. He is Nine and just saw the dentist last week. Not
a single cavity in his little head! Seems he has inherited the ability to
keep healthy teeth through sugar and not brushing.
If you are going to live in a society that uses sugar, tv etc... you better
prepare your kids for that society. Not some society in which those things
are not an option. If you don't want them to have access to tv or sugar, you
best not live in this country.
How long will you control access to those items? Until they are teens and
hating the control you try to exert? At which point it won't matter, because
you will no longer have control anyway.
Better that they don't obsess with those things to start with. That they
become just another option. They won't be acting like addicts when they visit
a friend or when your control is no longer an option.
You can't control your children, they are not objects to be owned. The
control will only last a short time, teach them to sneak behind your back and
eventually cause them to not confide in you. The feeling that we can control
them is false. We can only open or shut doors in the relationship. They will
choose their own path, with or without your approval.
Ren
Funny how those two topics always seem to go hand in hand..!!
I used to sound a lot like you Ari.
I was raised in a house with no tv and I can tell you firsthand what happens
when you are raised that way. You become ADDICTED to it when you finally get
control of your own life. It was after I got married that I had to
"deprogram". Went through a phase of not being able to turn it off for quite
a long time (years) before I gained self control.
Why not give your kids the ability to gain control from day one? Your kids
WILL have control of all their own choices one day whether you like it or not.
Why not let them learn self control in their own home, a safe environment,
before being on their own and not knowing what to do with the freedom?
Same with food.
Only the things that are limited and controlled become objects of obsession.
I am a health freak. My kids will hear my opinion on certain additives and
sugars.
And then they will decide for themselves what to do with that information.
I keep a wide variety of foods available to them and they choose a lot of the
groceries.
They just asked me to do another "food as art" day with them and the first
food they requested was broccoli. Yes, broccoli.
They sometimes eat a sweet muffin or other "unhealthy food" before a meal and
you know what? It's never affected their appetite. They still eat vegetables,
pasta or whatever else is available.
The went through a huge binge of ice cream when I finally started relaxing. I
still have to buy them their OWN foods (still fearful that someone else will
eat it and they won't get more of the cherished item) but they are starting
to relax too. Because they know it is available and not controlled by me...if
they want a food they ask me to pick it up at the store. No big deal.
I have a nephew that hardly EVER brushes his teeth. I was horrified when I
saw the scum on them last summer. Once a week his Mom can't stand it anymore
and brushes them for him. He is Nine and just saw the dentist last week. Not
a single cavity in his little head! Seems he has inherited the ability to
keep healthy teeth through sugar and not brushing.
If you are going to live in a society that uses sugar, tv etc... you better
prepare your kids for that society. Not some society in which those things
are not an option. If you don't want them to have access to tv or sugar, you
best not live in this country.
How long will you control access to those items? Until they are teens and
hating the control you try to exert? At which point it won't matter, because
you will no longer have control anyway.
Better that they don't obsess with those things to start with. That they
become just another option. They won't be acting like addicts when they visit
a friend or when your control is no longer an option.
You can't control your children, they are not objects to be owned. The
control will only last a short time, teach them to sneak behind your back and
eventually cause them to not confide in you. The feeling that we can control
them is false. We can only open or shut doors in the relationship. They will
choose their own path, with or without your approval.
Ren
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In a message dated 1/28/02 11:48:25 AM, starsuncloud@... writes:
<< I was raised in a house with no tv and I can tell you firsthand what
happens
when you are raised that way. You become ADDICTED to it when you finally get
control of your own life. It was after I got married that I had to
"deprogram". >>
This reminds me of something.
Somewhere, I think on unschooling.com, someone described a kind of autism,
sort of, where people only process the written word, and can't really learn
from pictures, and have a hard time with the spoken word or human interaction.
Anyone remember what that was called?
I know someone who is just that way. So TV, to her, is stupid. It doesn't
make sense.
And she prefers books without photos. I used to think it was purest
snobbishness and kneejerk pride in having read early--reading picture books
should evolve to the point where the reader doesn't need pictures. Therefor
pictures are for babies or non-readers.
Well after I read the description of that learning style, mental illness,
whatever it was described as, I thought that was it! That was her!
So she married someone who loves movies. Not a TV addict, by any means, but
someone who knows tons of cool detail about obscure movies and actors and
directors. And when they were married she made him put his TV and VCR in
the unfinished, cold, ugly, yucky basement, because, she says with
conviction, TV is stupid.
Sandra
<< I was raised in a house with no tv and I can tell you firsthand what
happens
when you are raised that way. You become ADDICTED to it when you finally get
control of your own life. It was after I got married that I had to
"deprogram". >>
This reminds me of something.
Somewhere, I think on unschooling.com, someone described a kind of autism,
sort of, where people only process the written word, and can't really learn
from pictures, and have a hard time with the spoken word or human interaction.
Anyone remember what that was called?
I know someone who is just that way. So TV, to her, is stupid. It doesn't
make sense.
And she prefers books without photos. I used to think it was purest
snobbishness and kneejerk pride in having read early--reading picture books
should evolve to the point where the reader doesn't need pictures. Therefor
pictures are for babies or non-readers.
Well after I read the description of that learning style, mental illness,
whatever it was described as, I thought that was it! That was her!
So she married someone who loves movies. Not a TV addict, by any means, but
someone who knows tons of cool detail about obscure movies and actors and
directors. And when they were married she made him put his TV and VCR in
the unfinished, cold, ugly, yucky basement, because, she says with
conviction, TV is stupid.
Sandra
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In a message dated 1/28/2002 9:58:20 AM Pacific Standard Time,
[email protected] writes:
tv - it is amazing. I have all of Sister Wendy's programs on tape -- hours
and hours of them. Have you ever watched "This Old House" or that Yankee's
Workshop show - whatever it is called? Even the cooking shows - they can be
so lovely to watch!!! How about the show about the castles of England? The
railroads of the world? Nature? National Geographic specials? I mean -
seriously - if you're just looking for pure BEAUTY -- there is so MUCH there.
We watched a show about Bob Fosse the other night - the dancing was just
gorgeous!!! What more could you want? My daughter loves opera -- where else
is she going to be able to hear Pavarotti and the other opera greats and see
productions of full-length operas?
Ugly? Well - there's the Simpsons...I guess that qualifies in a way <g>. But
it is hysterically funny social commentary and I can't think of it as "ugly."
--pam
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[email protected] writes:
> Also, maybe more important, I find TV ugly. Most of the stuff shown isI think the opposite. There is just so much WONDERFUL and beautiful stuff on
> esthetically offensive. Does anyone else think that?
tv - it is amazing. I have all of Sister Wendy's programs on tape -- hours
and hours of them. Have you ever watched "This Old House" or that Yankee's
Workshop show - whatever it is called? Even the cooking shows - they can be
so lovely to watch!!! How about the show about the castles of England? The
railroads of the world? Nature? National Geographic specials? I mean -
seriously - if you're just looking for pure BEAUTY -- there is so MUCH there.
We watched a show about Bob Fosse the other night - the dancing was just
gorgeous!!! What more could you want? My daughter loves opera -- where else
is she going to be able to hear Pavarotti and the other opera greats and see
productions of full-length operas?
Ugly? Well - there's the Simpsons...I guess that qualifies in a way <g>. But
it is hysterically funny social commentary and I can't think of it as "ugly."
--pam
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KT
>Throwing out the TV is like burning down the library, IMO.
>
>Whenever this topic comes up on unschooling boards, I feel sad and lonely.
>I always thought that TV was the major tool of institutional mind control
>(no, really! [:-)] ) and that people who unschool are more likely to wean
>themselves from it. Doesn't seem to be the case. Does anyone here NOT have
>a TV?
>
Tuck
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Jessica Kelly
That's a little extreme and inaccurate, don't you think? Throwing out the TV is
one's personal choice, and it can be a very positive one, at that. Burning down
the library is a negative choice that would affect an entire community.
KT wrote:
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one's personal choice, and it can be a very positive one, at that. Burning down
the library is a negative choice that would affect an entire community.
KT wrote:
> Throwing out the TV is like burning down the library, IMO.--
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In a message dated 1/28/02 2:46:58 PM, Tuck@... writes:
<< I always thought that TV was the major tool of institutional mind control
I agree with Tuck on that.
<<I always thought that TV was the major tool of institutional mind control
look and think for themselves?
<<...and that people who unschool are more likely to wean
Bad choice of words.
"Wean" as in stop using heroin gradually instead of cold turkey?
Why would someone want to stop using a tool?
Should unschoolers wean themselves of using scissors and tape? Magazines?
Videos?
I don't want to be a weaner anyway. I want to be a provider.
Sandra
<< I always thought that TV was the major tool of institutional mind control
>(no, really! [:-)] ) and that people who unschool are more likely to wean<<Throwing out the TV is like burning down the library, IMO. >>
>themselves from it. Doesn't seem to be the case. Does anyone here NOT have
>a TV?
>
I agree with Tuck on that.
<<I always thought that TV was the major tool of institutional mind control
>(no, really! [:-)] ) >>Why would a person think that? Because someone else said it and they didn't
look and think for themselves?
<<...and that people who unschool are more likely to wean
>themselves from it.>>"Wean" as in stop drinking breastmilk?
Bad choice of words.
"Wean" as in stop using heroin gradually instead of cold turkey?
Why would someone want to stop using a tool?
Should unschoolers wean themselves of using scissors and tape? Magazines?
Videos?
I don't want to be a weaner anyway. I want to be a provider.
Sandra
Joylyn
ok, then...
throwing out my tv would be like throwing out
my library.
Joylyn
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throwing out my tv would be like throwing out
my library.
Joylyn
Jessica Kelly wrote:
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> don't you think? Throwing out the TV is
> one's personal choice, and it can be a very
> positive one, at that. Burning down
> the library is a negative choice that would
> affect an entire community.
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> KT wrote:
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