Re: [AlwaysLearning]Homeschooling and "programs"
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On Sun, 27 Jan 2002 17:12:54 -0800 "Nichoel" <stormyrain73@...>
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and especially unschoolers, than Washington. Lots of options, and if you
want to take the no-interference path, you file the R-4 (set up your own
private school) and file a one-page paper once a year and you're done
with it. No testing, no documentation, nada....
I guess I think it's hard to draw an exact line with a lot of these
things. Actually, I find it easier to define an unschooler than a
homeschooler - an unschooler is learning the way he choses to learn,
whether he's an underground homeschooler spending all his time online or
he's spending 8 hrs a day in a school classroom. *My* opinion.
Homeschooling is harder to define... what if you do Calvert and send your
lessons in to a teacher, who grades them and returns them, and the
parents are peripherally involved? Or what if you do a cyber-school
thing? What if you attend a public program two half days a week, and
love it, and spend the rest of your time playing in the creek? I
certainly think the line drawn between "independent" homeschoolers and
those who utilize a charter, public ISP, or umbrella school is artificial
and harmful.
here. You just can't expect everyone to agree with you all the time,
that'd be do fun at all... and besides, no one would learn anything new
that way.
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> We here in Washington are not yet in the situation you in CaliforniaReally? I thought California was a much better state for homeschoolers,
> are, and quite honestly I think that is what we are trying to avoid.
and especially unschoolers, than Washington. Lots of options, and if you
want to take the no-interference path, you file the R-4 (set up your own
private school) and file a one-page paper once a year and you're done
with it. No testing, no documentation, nada....
I guess I think it's hard to draw an exact line with a lot of these
things. Actually, I find it easier to define an unschooler than a
homeschooler - an unschooler is learning the way he choses to learn,
whether he's an underground homeschooler spending all his time online or
he's spending 8 hrs a day in a school classroom. *My* opinion.
Homeschooling is harder to define... what if you do Calvert and send your
lessons in to a teacher, who grades them and returns them, and the
parents are peripherally involved? Or what if you do a cyber-school
thing? What if you attend a public program two half days a week, and
love it, and spend the rest of your time playing in the creek? I
certainly think the line drawn between "independent" homeschoolers and
those who utilize a charter, public ISP, or umbrella school is artificial
and harmful.
>Oh, no, speaking your mind is wonderful! I love it that people do that
> I digress, I guess I should never have spoken my mind to begin with.
>
here. You just can't expect everyone to agree with you all the time,
that'd be do fun at all... and besides, no one would learn anything new
that way.
Dar
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Dar,
I dont mind people not agreeing with me, but I am 'new' here and have yet to gauge people's posting personalities..I think a few of the comments that have come across on this thread have me a bit reluctant to speak my honest mind for awhile, at least until I learn the 'tone' of people's posts..One of the fallbacks to online posting, lack of 'tone' in someone's voice and lack of body language =)
I think the issue here (in the state) that I have seen is that the AEPs are going as far as to have people sign letters of intent to homeschool while at the same time enrolling into their program..It's a ploy by the school district to make people 'think' they are protected under the homeschooling RCW when in fact they are not....And that all 'legal' control lies in the hands of the school districts. This DOES pose a problem for us homeschoolers, when we have people who are not legally acting under the homeschooling rcw calling what they are doing 'homeschooling'...I dont know if I am being any clearer or not, if not then I suggest the link I sent would be a better place for clarity =)..
I am, quite honestly, not very familiar with California's laws and how it works there so I may have misunderstood a few of the things that came across as being CA when they are not so (Like having to turn in 'plans' etc..)
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I dont mind people not agreeing with me, but I am 'new' here and have yet to gauge people's posting personalities..I think a few of the comments that have come across on this thread have me a bit reluctant to speak my honest mind for awhile, at least until I learn the 'tone' of people's posts..One of the fallbacks to online posting, lack of 'tone' in someone's voice and lack of body language =)
I think the issue here (in the state) that I have seen is that the AEPs are going as far as to have people sign letters of intent to homeschool while at the same time enrolling into their program..It's a ploy by the school district to make people 'think' they are protected under the homeschooling RCW when in fact they are not....And that all 'legal' control lies in the hands of the school districts. This DOES pose a problem for us homeschoolers, when we have people who are not legally acting under the homeschooling rcw calling what they are doing 'homeschooling'...I dont know if I am being any clearer or not, if not then I suggest the link I sent would be a better place for clarity =)..
I am, quite honestly, not very familiar with California's laws and how it works there so I may have misunderstood a few of the things that came across as being CA when they are not so (Like having to turn in 'plans' etc..)
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Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2002 7:42 PM
Subject: Re: [AlwaysLearning]Homeschooling and "programs"
On Sun, 27 Jan 2002 17:12:54 -0800 "Nichoel" <stormyrain73@...>
writes:
> We here in Washington are not yet in the situation you in California
> are, and quite honestly I think that is what we are trying to avoid.
Really? I thought California was a much better state for homeschoolers,
and especially unschoolers, than Washington. Lots of options, and if you
want to take the no-interference path, you file the R-4 (set up your own
private school) and file a one-page paper once a year and you're done
with it. No testing, no documentation, nada....
I guess I think it's hard to draw an exact line with a lot of these
things. Actually, I find it easier to define an unschooler than a
homeschooler - an unschooler is learning the way he choses to learn,
whether he's an underground homeschooler spending all his time online or
he's spending 8 hrs a day in a school classroom. *My* opinion.
Homeschooling is harder to define... what if you do Calvert and send your
lessons in to a teacher, who grades them and returns them, and the
parents are peripherally involved? Or what if you do a cyber-school
thing? What if you attend a public program two half days a week, and
love it, and spend the rest of your time playing in the creek? I
certainly think the line drawn between "independent" homeschoolers and
those who utilize a charter, public ISP, or umbrella school is artificial
and harmful.
>
> I digress, I guess I should never have spoken my mind to begin with.
>
Oh, no, speaking your mind is wonderful! I love it that people do that
here. You just can't expect everyone to agree with you all the time,
that'd be do fun at all... and besides, no one would learn anything new
that way.
Dar
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On Sun, 27 Jan 2002 20:25:38 -0800 "Nichoel" <stormyrain73@...>
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list seems very good at separating ideas from personalities, if that
makes sense. I like that.
Cacie is right now inventing an amusement park ride that is an enormous
fifties-style woman, in a poodle skirt and all that, hula-hooping... and
the ride, as I understand it, involved people being somehow attached to
the hoop (or maybe strung into the hoop, like giant beads?), so she hulas
and everyone zooms around... she's telling my dad about it as she hulas
in the kitchen, I'm just listening in. :-)
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>..One of the fallbacks to onlineThat's true. But I can vouch for us, we're a pretty nice crowd... this
> posting, lack of 'tone' in someone's voice and lack of body language
> =)
list seems very good at separating ideas from personalities, if that
makes sense. I like that.
Cacie is right now inventing an amusement park ride that is an enormous
fifties-style woman, in a poodle skirt and all that, hula-hooping... and
the ride, as I understand it, involved people being somehow attached to
the hoop (or maybe strung into the hoop, like giant beads?), so she hulas
and everyone zooms around... she's telling my dad about it as she hulas
in the kitchen, I'm just listening in. :-)
Dar
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In a message dated 1/27/02 11:56:38 PM, freeform@... writes:
<< Cacie is right now inventing an amusement park ride that is an enormous
fifties-style woman, in a poodle skirt and all that, hula-hooping... and
the ride, as I understand it, involved people being somehow attached to
the hoop >>
Holly today said she wanted a hula hoop. I reminded her she had cash, and
they're not very expensive. So tomorrow, it's on our list: hula hoop.
And at the moment (nine minutes after midnight), Holly's sitting on the floor
behind me with a piece of paper trying to figure out how many different
positions four people could be in at a movie theatre, sitting together in the
same row. She asked me, and quick'n'dirty I said more than twelve, and maybe
28. Then I said "Not 28-less." So she's working it out (without numbers)
and says she thinks 24.
Keith will know the formula, but he's asleep.
We played with graph paper and guessed that maybe with five it will be 60,
and marked that. Telling here SOLIDLY that I could well be wrong, we played
with the proportions. But she's messing with her charts and thinking it's
way more than 60.
If someone had been here to answer her question succinctly, she might not be
as interested right now.
Also, today she saw Donald in Mathmagic Land (an old Disney educational
video) which they have as a "free rental" at Hollywood Video behind our
house. She watched it through once, stared at the credits, and said "That's
a lot to think about!" Tonight she wanted to watch it again, but not by
herself. I watched it with her. This morning, a visiting 13 year old came
and sat through the last half of it in fascination, too.
But never did I suggest she could use that information in the future, or that
it was something she might remember from here or there. SHE is organizing
her mathematical knowledge in her head, and hardly needs anyone's advice
about what's like what!
Sandra
<< Cacie is right now inventing an amusement park ride that is an enormous
fifties-style woman, in a poodle skirt and all that, hula-hooping... and
the ride, as I understand it, involved people being somehow attached to
the hoop >>
Holly today said she wanted a hula hoop. I reminded her she had cash, and
they're not very expensive. So tomorrow, it's on our list: hula hoop.
And at the moment (nine minutes after midnight), Holly's sitting on the floor
behind me with a piece of paper trying to figure out how many different
positions four people could be in at a movie theatre, sitting together in the
same row. She asked me, and quick'n'dirty I said more than twelve, and maybe
28. Then I said "Not 28-less." So she's working it out (without numbers)
and says she thinks 24.
Keith will know the formula, but he's asleep.
We played with graph paper and guessed that maybe with five it will be 60,
and marked that. Telling here SOLIDLY that I could well be wrong, we played
with the proportions. But she's messing with her charts and thinking it's
way more than 60.
If someone had been here to answer her question succinctly, she might not be
as interested right now.
Also, today she saw Donald in Mathmagic Land (an old Disney educational
video) which they have as a "free rental" at Hollywood Video behind our
house. She watched it through once, stared at the credits, and said "That's
a lot to think about!" Tonight she wanted to watch it again, but not by
herself. I watched it with her. This morning, a visiting 13 year old came
and sat through the last half of it in fascination, too.
But never did I suggest she could use that information in the future, or that
it was something she might remember from here or there. SHE is organizing
her mathematical knowledge in her head, and hardly needs anyone's advice
about what's like what!
Sandra
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On Mon, 28 Jan 2002 02:25:15 EST SandraDodd@... writes:
whole factorial thing, and it comes in handy for math puzzles a lot.
Very cool.
Dar
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> And at the moment (nine minutes after midnight), Holly's sitting onthe floor
> behind me with a piece of paper trying to figure out how many differentin the
> positions four people could be in at a movie theatre, sitting together
> same row. She asked me, and quick'n'dirty I said more than twelve,(without
> and maybe 28. Then I said "Not 28-less." So she's working it out
> numbers) and says she thinks 24.She's right. The formula would be 4!, or 4-factorial, 4x3x2x1. I like the
>
> Keith will know the formula, but he's asleep.
whole factorial thing, and it comes in handy for math puzzles a lot.
Very cool.
Dar
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In a message dated 1/28/02 10:28:47 AM, freeform@... writes:
<< She's right. The formula would be 4!, or 4-factorial, 4x3x2x1. I like the
whole factorial thing, and it comes in handy for math puzzles a lot.
Sandra
<< She's right. The formula would be 4!, or 4-factorial, 4x3x2x1. I like the
whole factorial thing, and it comes in handy for math puzzles a lot.
>>Thanks!! I'll show her when she wakes up.
Sandra
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In a message dated 1/28/02 10:28:47 AM, freeform@... writes:
<< Holly's sitting on
the floor
She said they did it on Zoom once, but she didn't remember the answer. She
remembered the problem being realy interesting, though.
Holly loves Zoom. The new season started just last Friday, so they have some
new kids. She had asked me to record it a week ago Frday, when she went
swimming with other homeschoolers. I said "No show will start a new season
on a Friday."
I was wrong. But luckily it wasn't THAT Friday.
While she was gone, I looked up articles on the new season, forwarded links
to her e-mail, and she was able to have the scoop for her friend who also
loves Zoom. The new season is planning to have local segments too, and so it
will not be Zoom from WGBH in Boston, now, it will be Zoom from KNME in
Albuquerque (with the main outline being Boston-produced).
That was cool for her to know, and then I knew when the new season was to be.
We taped it AND she watched it, and just went to swimming a little later.
She and her friend also really like and discuss Arthur. And Holly likes
Dragontales. I think she likes it for the art, in part, as it's similar to
Rainbow Brite and My Little Pony, both art styles and story-styles she enjoys
on tape.
Sandra
<< Holly's sitting on
the floor
> behind me with a piece of paper trying to figure out how many differentin the same row. >>
> positions four people could be in at a movie theatre, sitting together
She said they did it on Zoom once, but she didn't remember the answer. She
remembered the problem being realy interesting, though.
Holly loves Zoom. The new season started just last Friday, so they have some
new kids. She had asked me to record it a week ago Frday, when she went
swimming with other homeschoolers. I said "No show will start a new season
on a Friday."
I was wrong. But luckily it wasn't THAT Friday.
While she was gone, I looked up articles on the new season, forwarded links
to her e-mail, and she was able to have the scoop for her friend who also
loves Zoom. The new season is planning to have local segments too, and so it
will not be Zoom from WGBH in Boston, now, it will be Zoom from KNME in
Albuquerque (with the main outline being Boston-produced).
That was cool for her to know, and then I knew when the new season was to be.
We taped it AND she watched it, and just went to swimming a little later.
She and her friend also really like and discuss Arthur. And Holly likes
Dragontales. I think she likes it for the art, in part, as it's similar to
Rainbow Brite and My Little Pony, both art styles and story-styles she enjoys
on tape.
Sandra
Nichoel
My daughter is a full zoom maniac as well; one of the best shows on the air I think for kids! =) Of course she's also obsessed with a baby story, and home matters from time to time :D
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----- Original Message -----
From: SandraDodd@...
To: [email protected]
Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 10:23 AM
Subject: Re: [AlwaysLearning]Homeschooling and "programs"
In a message dated 1/28/02 10:28:47 AM, freeform@... writes:
<< Holly's sitting on
the floor
> behind me with a piece of paper trying to figure out how many different
> positions four people could be in at a movie theatre, sitting together
in the same row. >>
She said they did it on Zoom once, but she didn't remember the answer. She
remembered the problem being realy interesting, though.
Holly loves Zoom. The new season started just last Friday, so they have some
new kids. She had asked me to record it a week ago Frday, when she went
swimming with other homeschoolers. I said "No show will start a new season
on a Friday."
I was wrong. But luckily it wasn't THAT Friday.
While she was gone, I looked up articles on the new season, forwarded links
to her e-mail, and she was able to have the scoop for her friend who also
loves Zoom. The new season is planning to have local segments too, and so it
will not be Zoom from WGBH in Boston, now, it will be Zoom from KNME in
Albuquerque (with the main outline being Boston-produced).
That was cool for her to know, and then I knew when the new season was to be.
We taped it AND she watched it, and just went to swimming a little later.
She and her friend also really like and discuss Arthur. And Holly likes
Dragontales. I think she likes it for the art, in part, as it's similar to
Rainbow Brite and My Little Pony, both art styles and story-styles she enjoys
on tape.
Sandra
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