school-based programs
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In a message dated 1/26/02 9:29:51 PM, leschke@... writes:
<< I guess we aren't homeschooling, even though all
education decisions are made by us (really our son) and none of his
learning happens in school. >>
In Tia's case and some of the California stories I've heard, it does seem
that the school district is not telling folks what to do or how to do it.
My complaints have been with a program in Albuquerque which is school half a
day, and the other half a day you're doing homework they assigned and the
parents report it by the hour in too much detail (more detail than teachers
have to report). Because the kids stay through lunch (and second set starts
before lunch) the schools get full funding for all of them.
Funding isn't what offends me--I wish the schools got their tax-base money
rgardless of enrollment. What gets me to say "not unschooling" is someone
else dictating the activities, subjects, schedule, etc.
I also suspect that the days of providing money without much accountability w
ill be short-lived. I also suspect sometimes that the days of wild
unschooling might be short-lived too, but I hope I'm wrong.
Sandra
<< I guess we aren't homeschooling, even though all
education decisions are made by us (really our son) and none of his
learning happens in school. >>
In Tia's case and some of the California stories I've heard, it does seem
that the school district is not telling folks what to do or how to do it.
My complaints have been with a program in Albuquerque which is school half a
day, and the other half a day you're doing homework they assigned and the
parents report it by the hour in too much detail (more detail than teachers
have to report). Because the kids stay through lunch (and second set starts
before lunch) the schools get full funding for all of them.
Funding isn't what offends me--I wish the schools got their tax-base money
rgardless of enrollment. What gets me to say "not unschooling" is someone
else dictating the activities, subjects, schedule, etc.
I also suspect that the days of providing money without much accountability w
ill be short-lived. I also suspect sometimes that the days of wild
unschooling might be short-lived too, but I hope I'm wrong.
Sandra
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> >>>I also suspect sometimes that the days of wildOh, now you're scaring me. What do you mean by that?
> unschooling might be short-lived too, but I hope I'm wrong.<<<
Kelly
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In a message dated 1/27/02 9:16:19 AM, kbcdlovejo@... writes:
<< >>>I also suspect sometimes that the days of wild
The way of mankind is toward more rules, always--never fewer.
My best example of that is the "freedom" the U.S. brags about all the time.
Most laws are state laws, though, and if you compare the laws in the newer
states (New Mexico is one) to the laws in the original 13 colonies, you can
see the frightening future of New Mexico. Given 200 years to make laws, they
just keep making them, and making them, and making them. And do they take
many off the books?? Okay, you can buy clothes on Sunday in New Jersey. You
can buy a mop or a broom in Texas now, on Sunday.
Someone invoked an old N.Mex. law against co-habitation last year. A wife
trying to nail her future-ex-husband pulled out a HUGELY unenforced and
ignored co-habitation law. I hope that it will be removed, now that she's
used it against her husband.
It's a philosophical prediction, a political-science prediction, not a
specific report from the underground.
Sandra
<< >>>I also suspect sometimes that the days of wild
> unschooling might be short-lived too, but I hope I'm wrong.<<<<<Oh, now you're scaring me. What do you mean by that? >>
The way of mankind is toward more rules, always--never fewer.
My best example of that is the "freedom" the U.S. brags about all the time.
Most laws are state laws, though, and if you compare the laws in the newer
states (New Mexico is one) to the laws in the original 13 colonies, you can
see the frightening future of New Mexico. Given 200 years to make laws, they
just keep making them, and making them, and making them. And do they take
many off the books?? Okay, you can buy clothes on Sunday in New Jersey. You
can buy a mop or a broom in Texas now, on Sunday.
Someone invoked an old N.Mex. law against co-habitation last year. A wife
trying to nail her future-ex-husband pulled out a HUGELY unenforced and
ignored co-habitation law. I hope that it will be removed, now that she's
used it against her husband.
It's a philosophical prediction, a political-science prediction, not a
specific report from the underground.
Sandra
Peggy
SandraDodd@... wrote:
"Emphasis on teaching methods that have been proven to work" part.
Peggy
+++++++++++++++++++++++
The No Child Left Behind Act of 2001
http://www.ed.gov/nclb/
Signed into law just two weeks ago by President Bush, the No Child Left
Behind Act of 2001 (NCLGA) sanctions changes that will impact virtually
every American primary and secondary school student and educator. Posted
on
the Department of Education's official Web site, the NCLBA pages detail
the
Bush Administration's focus on renewed accountability in the nation's
public
school system. While many of the changes and guidelines have already
been
put in place in some states, this new act makes them the law of the
land.
Principally, the site reviews the four underlying principles that serve
as
spirit of the law: "stronger accountability for results, increased
flexibility and local control, expanded options for parents, and an
emphasis
on teaching methods that have been proven to work." Aside from detailing
the
general provisions of the new law and its history, the site also allows
users to link to a page outlining the changes to come in their home
states,
as well as to other Department of Education sites and reports. [WH]
Internet Resources for Children
http://www.ericit.org/weblinks/weblinks.shtml
ERIC Clearinghouse on Information & Technology (ERIC/IT), hosted by the
Information Institute at Syracuse University, has released a new
publication
on Internet resources for children. This site provides links to some of
the
best educational resources available online and describes over 50 high
quality, (mostly) annotated Internet resources for children in grades
K-8.
Categories include art, current events, health, history, literature,
math,
science, and more. [MG]
From The Scout Report, Copyright Internet Scout Project 1994-2002.
http://scout.cs.wisc.edu/
>Yeah, this sort of thing has me wondering the same thing: Especially the
> In a message dated 1/27/02 9:16:19 AM, kbcdlovejo@... writes:
>
> << >>>I also suspect sometimes that the days of wild
> > unschooling might be short-lived too, but I hope I'm wrong.<<<
>
> <<Oh, now you're scaring me. What do you mean by that? >>
>
> The way of mankind is toward more rules, always--never fewer.
>
> My best example of that is the "freedom" the U.S. brags about all the time.
> Most laws are state laws, though, and if you compare the laws in the newer
> states (New Mexico is one) to the laws in the original 13 colonies, you can
> see the frightening future of New Mexico. Given 200 years to make laws, they
> just keep making them, and making them, and making them. And do they take
> many off the books?? Okay, you can buy clothes on Sunday in New Jersey. You
> can buy a mop or a broom in Texas now, on Sunday.
>
> Someone invoked an old N.Mex. law against co-habitation last year. A wife
> trying to nail her future-ex-husband pulled out a HUGELY unenforced and
> ignored co-habitation law. I hope that it will be removed, now that she's
> used it against her husband.
>
> It's a philosophical prediction, a political-science prediction, not a
> specific report from the underground.
>
> Sandra
"Emphasis on teaching methods that have been proven to work" part.
Peggy
+++++++++++++++++++++++
The No Child Left Behind Act of 2001
http://www.ed.gov/nclb/
Signed into law just two weeks ago by President Bush, the No Child Left
Behind Act of 2001 (NCLGA) sanctions changes that will impact virtually
every American primary and secondary school student and educator. Posted
on
the Department of Education's official Web site, the NCLBA pages detail
the
Bush Administration's focus on renewed accountability in the nation's
public
school system. While many of the changes and guidelines have already
been
put in place in some states, this new act makes them the law of the
land.
Principally, the site reviews the four underlying principles that serve
as
spirit of the law: "stronger accountability for results, increased
flexibility and local control, expanded options for parents, and an
emphasis
on teaching methods that have been proven to work." Aside from detailing
the
general provisions of the new law and its history, the site also allows
users to link to a page outlining the changes to come in their home
states,
as well as to other Department of Education sites and reports. [WH]
Internet Resources for Children
http://www.ericit.org/weblinks/weblinks.shtml
ERIC Clearinghouse on Information & Technology (ERIC/IT), hosted by the
Information Institute at Syracuse University, has released a new
publication
on Internet resources for children. This site provides links to some of
the
best educational resources available online and describes over 50 high
quality, (mostly) annotated Internet resources for children in grades
K-8.
Categories include art, current events, health, history, literature,
math,
science, and more. [MG]
From The Scout Report, Copyright Internet Scout Project 1994-2002.
http://scout.cs.wisc.edu/
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On Sun, 27 Jan 2002 10:56:16 EST SandraDodd@... writes:
teachers. I have friends here dealing with their kid's ps teachers.
I've a neighbor who's a special ed teacher and a friend on the school
board. What I understand is these folks think parents are not good for
children. If they get a great, smart, happy kid in their classroom, it's
just in the nick of time, before the parents ruin it. If they get a hard
to manage kid, what have the parents done? They say parents aren't
involved but they mean parents aren't fit to be involved. Is it just
here?
The law says "organized course of study" and "provide six hours of
instruction" and the superintendent asks more questions every year and
has more papers he want's me to sign.( I don't )
One day there will be the BIG question and it won't be ignored. "How do
we know these parents are providing an education, and how can we make
them prove it."
It bugs me. Because I have an amazing kid. He's so amazing people say,
"This is an AMAZING kid". And I tell them every kid is amazing if you
let them be. I tell them about how he spends his days and they can see
it's good and I hope when they look at their own kids they consider the
possibilities. And I'm afraid the more I talk about NOT doing anything
that even remotely resembles school, the more the folks who think they
know better will take notice too. I don't think it will be good, and I
don't know how to win.
Survival of the subversives?
In the mean time though, I'll go forth and spread the unschooling
word.<g> Hallelujah, praise Dodd.
Deb L
> I also suspect sometimes that the days of wildYeah, I suspect so too. I have two friends who are public school
> unschooling might be short-lived too, but I hope I'm wrong.
teachers. I have friends here dealing with their kid's ps teachers.
I've a neighbor who's a special ed teacher and a friend on the school
board. What I understand is these folks think parents are not good for
children. If they get a great, smart, happy kid in their classroom, it's
just in the nick of time, before the parents ruin it. If they get a hard
to manage kid, what have the parents done? They say parents aren't
involved but they mean parents aren't fit to be involved. Is it just
here?
The law says "organized course of study" and "provide six hours of
instruction" and the superintendent asks more questions every year and
has more papers he want's me to sign.( I don't )
One day there will be the BIG question and it won't be ignored. "How do
we know these parents are providing an education, and how can we make
them prove it."
It bugs me. Because I have an amazing kid. He's so amazing people say,
"This is an AMAZING kid". And I tell them every kid is amazing if you
let them be. I tell them about how he spends his days and they can see
it's good and I hope when they look at their own kids they consider the
possibilities. And I'm afraid the more I talk about NOT doing anything
that even remotely resembles school, the more the folks who think they
know better will take notice too. I don't think it will be good, and I
don't know how to win.
Survival of the subversives?
In the mean time though, I'll go forth and spread the unschooling
word.<g> Hallelujah, praise Dodd.
Deb L
Pam Hartley
Is that a newer-to-older trend or a smaller-to-larger (population) trend?
Because California is trussed up like a Christmas goose with legal hoo-ha
(if my terminology gets too technical, someone let me know <g>). Unschooling
here is currently easy, but only because California has a powerful private
school lobby and we unschoolers can hide under their R4 skirts. The private
school lobby doesn't mean to protect us, just (as is reasonable) themselves
by fighting against restrictions for their private schools.
Pam
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From: SandraDodd@...
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [AlwaysLearning] school-based programs
Date: Sun, Jan 27, 2002, 8:23 AM
My best example of that is the "freedom" the U.S. brags about all the time.
Most laws are state laws, though, and if you compare the laws in the newer
states (New Mexico is one) to the laws in the original 13 colonies, you can
see the frightening future of New Mexico. Given 200 years to make laws,
they
just keep making them, and making them, and making them.
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Because California is trussed up like a Christmas goose with legal hoo-ha
(if my terminology gets too technical, someone let me know <g>). Unschooling
here is currently easy, but only because California has a powerful private
school lobby and we unschoolers can hide under their R4 skirts. The private
school lobby doesn't mean to protect us, just (as is reasonable) themselves
by fighting against restrictions for their private schools.
Pam
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From: SandraDodd@...
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [AlwaysLearning] school-based programs
Date: Sun, Jan 27, 2002, 8:23 AM
My best example of that is the "freedom" the U.S. brags about all the time.
Most laws are state laws, though, and if you compare the laws in the newer
states (New Mexico is one) to the laws in the original 13 colonies, you can
see the frightening future of New Mexico. Given 200 years to make laws,
they
just keep making them, and making them, and making them.
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[email protected]
In a message dated 1/27/02 11:48:32 AM, pamhartley@... writes:
<< Is that a newer-to-older trend or a smaller-to-larger (population) trend?
Arizona, New Mexico, Nevada and such places became states they weren't bound
by territorial documents, but could write new consititutions and laws, as I
understand (and I could be wrong).
If restrictions come, we do private schools all over (local Clonlara-type
things).
Sandra
<< Is that a newer-to-older trend or a smaller-to-larger (population) trend?
>>Probably both, and California's not that new a state, as new states go. When
Arizona, New Mexico, Nevada and such places became states they weren't bound
by territorial documents, but could write new consititutions and laws, as I
understand (and I could be wrong).
If restrictions come, we do private schools all over (local Clonlara-type
things).
Sandra
Tia Leschke
>Actually, the first two years of our program there was no accountability at
>I also suspect that the days of providing money without much accountability w
>ill be short-lived. I also suspect sometimes that the days of wild
>unschooling might be short-lived too, but I hope I'm wrong.
all. They actually said at an introductory meeting that they could put the
computer into our home in September and not hear from us all year, and that
would be ok. During the second year, the government decided that they need
accountability, so now we have to report. This is the 8th year, and they
haven't upped the accountability level again. I think they know that many
would just leave if they did. As far as unschooling goes, I think we're
all smart enough to find ways to unschool, even if the governments tried to
crack down.
Tia
No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.
Eleanor Roosevelt
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Tia Leschke
leschke@...
On Vancouver Island
Tia Leschke
>*Are* there any? <g>
>
>Yeah, this sort of thing has me wondering the same thing: Especially the
>"Emphasis on teaching methods that have been proven to work" part.
Tia
No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.
Eleanor Roosevelt
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Tia Leschke
leschke@...
On Vancouver Island