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3.2. Re: LD & what's normal
Posted by: "Nancy Wooton" nancywooton@... ikonstitcher
Date: Fri Mar 23, 2007 3:11 pm ((PDT))

He won't play Scrabble with me, though ;-)

-=-=-=-

Nancy!

Scrabble is a MATH GAME! <bwg>



~Kelly, who won TWO games of Scrabble against Ben recently when she
played it as a math game and not a word game!

Kelly Lovejoy
Conference Coordinator
Live and Learn Unschooling Conference
http://www.LiveandLearnConference.org


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Nancy Wooton

On Mar 25, 2007, at 3:50 PM, kbcdlovejo@... wrote:

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected]
>
> 3.2. Re: LD & what's normal
> Posted by: "Nancy Wooton" nancywooton@... ikonstitcher
> Date: Fri Mar 23, 2007 3:11 pm ((PDT))
>
> He won't play Scrabble with me, though ;-)
>
> -=-=-=-
>
> Nancy!
>
> Scrabble is a MATH GAME! <bwg>
>
>
>
> ~Kelly, who won TWO games of Scrabble against Ben recently when she
> played it as a math game and not a word game!
>

I only play well against the computer, since it keeps score
automatically and since I can try out my words to find the highest
value. I tried -- once -- to play at a club meeting, and just couldn't
cope with the timer; it takes me too long to find a good word if I have
to figure the score in my head. As a matter of fact, I didn't even try
to keep my *own* score tally, just trusted the opponent to be right.
When I play at homeschool park day, for some reason I end up keeping
score -- maybe it's because its my game board... My friends know I
need the basic addition practice -- still, I don't count up their
turn's score, I just ask what it is and add it to the column.

My dh doesn't grasp that adding an "s" to the end of a word isn't as
good a play as making some other word that includes that "s" and
putting it perpendicular. He's as stubborn about playing word games as
I am about math ones <g>

You reminded me of another incident from my weird youth; I was playing
Solitaire (with cards ;-) and my dad commented that, if I could play
Solitaire that well, why did I have so much trouble with math?

I immediately got a migraine.

Nancy

plaidpanties666

--- In [email protected], Nancy Wooton
<nancywooton@...> wrote:
>> You reminded me of another incident from my weird youth; I was
playing
> Solitaire (with cards ;-) and my dad commented that, if I could
play
> Solitaire that well, why did I have so much trouble with math?
>
> I immediately got a migraine.

That's funny, I've been wondering if you liked solitaire and
thinking "well, that's a math game". I'm fond of Spider solitaire
and also Free Cell - which works best on the computer, but I've had
friends living computerless who loved Free Cell so much they would
write down the starting layout so they could start over as often as
they needed to. Free Cell is a fabulous logic puzzle. But you don't
need to think about that to enjoy it.

So if you like Solitaire, you *know* what it feels like to enjoy
math (as long as no-one tells you its math, anyway).

---Meredith (Mo 5, Ray 13)

Nancy Wooton

On Mar 26, 2007, at 8:54 AM, plaidpanties666 wrote:

> So if you like Solitaire, you *know* what it feels like to enjoy
> math (as long as no-one tells you its math, anyway).

Sorry, I still don't buy it. If I like it, it can't be math <ggg>

Math is what you find on the pages of a third grade textbook. When
people talk about enjoying math, finding beauty in it, etc., I truly do
think they mean they LIKE third grade math problems and find them
beautiful. For me, math never got off the page. Dear Mrs. Gaunt
wouldn't allow students to look away from their workbooks ("daydream"),
and, having caught me looking out the window, dragged my desk up next
to hers so she could more conveniently hit my hand with a ruler when I
looked up again.

Does anyone want to guess why I decided to homeschool my kids, before I
even had any? ;-)

Nancy

Sandra Dodd

-=Math is what you find on the pages of a third grade textbook. -=-

No, that's arithmetical stuff.

-=- For me, math never got off the page.-=-

Then maybe it's best for you to let those who do like math tell
what's beautiful about it. I'm still waiting for those stories. <g>

I would hate for someone to be in here saying "For me, music never
got off the page." Notes on a page aren't music. Music is in the
air, vibrating one's entire being.

Sandra




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Pamela Sorooshian

On Mar 26, 2007, at 12:40 PM, Sandra Dodd wrote:

> I would hate for someone to be in here saying "For me, music never
> got off the page." Notes on a page aren't music. Music is in the
> air, vibrating one's entire being.

For me, music is math. I experience music as math. I especially love
intricate music where the patterns weave in and out of each other and
I love multiple melody lines, again interweaving. When transported by
wonderful music, I have a sense that it is all about math - all about
the ratios of notes to each other, the counts/timing of notes in
relation to each other, the rate of acceleration and deceleration,
the patterns that are repeated and varied -- it is ALL math. Math is
what makes it sound like "something" to us. When transported by
music, I have all this math stuff in my head just as a sort of
background "awareness."

-pam
Relay for Life
http://www.acsevents.org/relay/ca/longbeach/pamsoroosh



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Nancy Wooton

On Mar 26, 2007, at 8:00 PM, Pamela Sorooshian wrote:

>
> On Mar 26, 2007, at 12:40 PM, Sandra Dodd wrote:
>
>> I would hate for someone to be in here saying "For me, music never
>> got off the page." Notes on a page aren't music. Music is in the
>> air, vibrating one's entire being.
>
> For me, music is math. I experience music as math. I especially love
> intricate music where the patterns weave in and out of each other and
> I love multiple melody lines, again interweaving. When transported by
> wonderful music, I have a sense that it is all about math - all about
> the ratios of notes to each other, the counts/timing of notes in
> relation to each other, the rate of acceleration and deceleration,
> the patterns that are repeated and varied -- it is ALL math. Math is
> what makes it sound like "something" to us. When transported by
> music, I have all this math stuff in my head just as a sort of
> background "awareness."
>

I just today bought "This is Your Brain on Music: The Science of a
Human Obsession." See http://www.powells.com/biblio/0525949690

I love stuff about neuroscience :-)

Nancy

Nancy Wooton

On Mar 26, 2007, at 12:40 PM, Sandra Dodd wrote:

> -=Math is what you find on the pages of a third grade textbook. -=-
>
> No, that's arithmetical stuff.
>
> -=- For me, math never got off the page.-=-
>
> Then maybe it's best for you to let those who do like math tell
> what's beautiful about it. I'm still waiting for those stories. <g>
>
> I would hate for someone to be in here saying "For me, music never
> got off the page." Notes on a page aren't music. Music is in the
> air, vibrating one's entire being.
>

You won't believe this, but I have another William F. Buckley anecdote
<g> I watched his TV talk show maybe once, and it happened to feature
some musicians/composers. One woman said she felt that the only true
way to appreciate music was by reading the written score, not by
hearing it played. Buckley pointed out that very, very few people
could do that, himself included!

Nancy

Sandra Dodd

-=-One woman said she felt that the only true
way to appreciate music was by reading the written score, not by
hearing it played. Buckley pointed out that very, very few people
could do that, himself included!-=-

Sometimes there's something really attractive about the music. Same
with Shakespeare on paper. Sometimes there's something that's just
beautiful to look at. Not often, though. <g>

Sometimes a rhyme also LOOKS rhymish (the words have similar forms,
not just similar sounds).

I have some keyboard music that I played just because of the
notation. But still, it was a moment, not the lifetime of that music.

Beethoven could do that--he needed to, when he was deaf and kept
writing. In Victorian times, there were people who could write
music so well they would go to performances and transcribe the music
they heard and then sell it illegally. It was like bootleg DVDs of
the 1880's.

Sandra

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Sandra Dodd

Music (was scrabble, or intelligences, or prejudices...)

Nancy had written, a few weeks ago, "You won't believe this, but I
have another William F. Buckley anecdote
<g> I watched his TV talk show maybe once, and it happened to feature
some musicians/composers. One woman said she felt that the only true
way to appreciate music was by reading the written score, not by
hearing it played. Buckley pointed out that very, very few people
could do that, himself included!"

Marty has a page-a-day calendar, and Tuesday's had this:

"The Beatles are not merely awful; they are so unbelievably horrible,
so appallingly unmusical, so dogmatically insensitive to the magic of
the art, that they qualify as crowned heads of anti-music." --
William F. Buckley

So I wondered if that quote was from the very early 60's, before they
were doing so much of their own stuff and fewer covers of American
music. I found it noted as 1964 http://www.bartleby.com/
63/86/7886.html So yes.

I don't know if he changed his mind later, but I would WAY rather
listen to the worst of the Beatles than read (or hear) the best of
Willliam F. Buckley Jr.

Sandra






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