Past German childrearing was breastfeeding
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Sandra writes:
remnants of this sort of thought (as there are elsewhere), but by and large
this is not still the way of things in Germany.
Peace,
Wynn
(having been raised in Germany less than 100 years ago)
> So. Germany 100 years ago,I'm glad that you clarify that. I just want to RETYPE it... There are still
remnants of this sort of thought (as there are elsewhere), but by and large
this is not still the way of things in Germany.
Peace,
Wynn
(having been raised in Germany less than 100 years ago)
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In a message dated 1/16/02 8:08:37 AM, Otterspur@... writes:
<< There are still
remnants of this sort of thought (as there are elsewhere), but by and large
this is not still the way of things in Germany. >>
No, I didn't mean to suggest it was.
I have an e-mail pal named Wolfgang Marquardt (we've met in person after
establishing our friendship online) who was born the same date and year as I
was, in northern Germany, and we've shared our life stories. His two kids
are 20ish, a boy and girl, and they were raised pretty sweetly!! But he's
been to my house twice and hung out with the kids and said he wished they had
been nicer with their kids.
I should ask him, now that he's living in Seattle, and has lived in Plano,
Texas (what a place for a German to learn America, huh?? <bwg>) how he sees
American childrearing. His wife (recently ex wife) is a neo-natal care
nurse and so he would know stories about breastfeeding.
Sandra
<< There are still
remnants of this sort of thought (as there are elsewhere), but by and large
this is not still the way of things in Germany. >>
No, I didn't mean to suggest it was.
I have an e-mail pal named Wolfgang Marquardt (we've met in person after
establishing our friendship online) who was born the same date and year as I
was, in northern Germany, and we've shared our life stories. His two kids
are 20ish, a boy and girl, and they were raised pretty sweetly!! But he's
been to my house twice and hung out with the kids and said he wished they had
been nicer with their kids.
I should ask him, now that he's living in Seattle, and has lived in Plano,
Texas (what a place for a German to learn America, huh?? <bwg>) how he sees
American childrearing. His wife (recently ex wife) is a neo-natal care
nurse and so he would know stories about breastfeeding.
Sandra
Shyrley
Otterspur@... wrote:
raised without any kindness. This is why he lft home and joined the
army. Just in time for World War 2. Whoops.
I have the disctinction of a father and grandfather who were on
different sides and probably faced each other at Dunkirk.
When my father came to England after the war he was astounded at the way
the english raised their kids. Nazi Germany made an effort to remove
kids from their parents with schools and then Jungvolk and Hitler Youth.
It was compulsory. Mnd you, they did get plenty of fresh air :)
Shyrley
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> Sandra writes:My father is (was - he's dead) German. He was born in 1915 and was
> > So. Germany 100 years ago,
>
> I'm glad that you clarify that. I just want to RETYPE it... There are
> still
> remnants of this sort of thought (as there are elsewhere), but by and
> large
> this is not still the way of things in Germany.
>
> Peace,
> Wynn
> (having been raised in Germany less than 100 years ago)
>
raised without any kindness. This is why he lft home and joined the
army. Just in time for World War 2. Whoops.
I have the disctinction of a father and grandfather who were on
different sides and probably faced each other at Dunkirk.
When my father came to England after the war he was astounded at the way
the english raised their kids. Nazi Germany made an effort to remove
kids from their parents with schools and then Jungvolk and Hitler Youth.
It was compulsory. Mnd you, they did get plenty of fresh air :)
Shyrley
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[email protected]
In a message dated 1/16/2002 11:08:10 AM Eastern Standard Time,
shyrley@... writes:
old neighbor home as an au pair. She was an incredible caregiver---she adored
Cameron and was MORE than indulgent. But she INSISTED that he get 2 hours of
fresh air every day! Rain, snow, sleet, sun, whatever---just bundle him up
and go to the park or downtown to walk main street.
Kelly
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shyrley@... writes:
> Mnd you, they did get plenty of fresh air :)I had to laugh at this! We lived in Germany three years and brought our 18 yr
>
old neighbor home as an au pair. She was an incredible caregiver---she adored
Cameron and was MORE than indulgent. But she INSISTED that he get 2 hours of
fresh air every day! Rain, snow, sleet, sun, whatever---just bundle him up
and go to the park or downtown to walk main street.
Kelly
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[email protected]
Okay, I have a report from a German born 7/24/53 who raised two kids who are
just lately grown. Don't feel bad that I corrected his English once--our
original deal was I would help him with English because he wanted to get
fluent enough to move here. He gets grumpy when I don't correct him. And I
usually don't <g>.
SandraDodd: Do you have a minute?
WOLF0753: yes
WOLF0753: for you always
WOLF0753: :)
SandraDodd: It's like a business question, for me.
Germany has a bad reputation for meanness toward children (childrearing
coldness) in the 19th and early 20th century
SandraDodd: Is it still that way?
WOLF0753: i don't know waht it is yet
SandraDodd: I think what I'm asking is now that you've lived in the U.S.,
does it seem much different, the way people are with their children?
WOLF0753: it is depents where you live..country or town
SandraDodd: And how common is breastfeeding babies? I figured you'd know
because of Sabine's job.
SandraDodd: Is it worse in the country?
WOLF0753: country they are living very close together
WOLF0753: and in town..they don't know the neighbor
WOLF0753: i think the same is in the US
SandraDodd: Which is nicer to the kids, when they DO know the neighbors or
when they don't, though?
WOLF0753: my brother for example has all his kids arround him in a house
living
WOLF0753: all on his land
SandraDodd: You mean his grown kids stayed nearby?
WOLF0753: yes
WOLF0753: incld his grand child
WOLF0753: childs
WOLF0753: all my brothres
SandraDodd: But in the city you can't do that...
(children)
WOLF0753: no...there it is different
SandraDodd: Did your wife and your sisters-in-law breastfeed their babies?
WOLF0753: YEEES
WOLF0753: that is different in europ
SandraDodd: I'm reading that it was VERY rare in 19th century Germany.
SandraDodd: Good, that it's more common now.
SandraDodd: So what about punishment, though, and just being sweet with
babies? How was that when you were little, or with your kids?
WOLF0753: they spend the first three years very close together, because a
study has shown breast feeting is very importand
SandraDodd: I wish Americans cared more about studies like that!! The
government still will give moms bottles and formula.
SandraDodd: Good for Germany!!
WOLF0753: the study was made in the us
WOLF0753: :)
WOLF0753: my exwife went to a teaching class for a year to be able telling
the mother how importand it is
WOLF0753: breast feeding
SandraDodd: Have they cut down on spanking there too? I hear it's totally
illegal in Sweden.
WOLF0753: the fisrt 5 years you can rase the children and after you only
have to correct them again or remind them
WOLF0753: i personally showed them my feelings instead of punching them
SandraDodd: You're personally a nice guy, though! :-)
What about your neighbors?
WOLF0753: my kids are telling me they would like to rase her kids like we
did with them
WOLF0753: same with the neighbors
SandraDodd: That must be good to hear from your kids!
. . . .
SandraDodd: Okay. Thanks for the info!
SandraDodd: Have a good day
WOLF0753: you are always welcome
WOLF0753: you too and say hello to your nice kids
SandraDodd: I will!
just lately grown. Don't feel bad that I corrected his English once--our
original deal was I would help him with English because he wanted to get
fluent enough to move here. He gets grumpy when I don't correct him. And I
usually don't <g>.
SandraDodd: Do you have a minute?
WOLF0753: yes
WOLF0753: for you always
WOLF0753: :)
SandraDodd: It's like a business question, for me.
Germany has a bad reputation for meanness toward children (childrearing
coldness) in the 19th and early 20th century
SandraDodd: Is it still that way?
WOLF0753: i don't know waht it is yet
SandraDodd: I think what I'm asking is now that you've lived in the U.S.,
does it seem much different, the way people are with their children?
WOLF0753: it is depents where you live..country or town
SandraDodd: And how common is breastfeeding babies? I figured you'd know
because of Sabine's job.
SandraDodd: Is it worse in the country?
WOLF0753: country they are living very close together
WOLF0753: and in town..they don't know the neighbor
WOLF0753: i think the same is in the US
SandraDodd: Which is nicer to the kids, when they DO know the neighbors or
when they don't, though?
WOLF0753: my brother for example has all his kids arround him in a house
living
WOLF0753: all on his land
SandraDodd: You mean his grown kids stayed nearby?
WOLF0753: yes
WOLF0753: incld his grand child
WOLF0753: childs
WOLF0753: all my brothres
SandraDodd: But in the city you can't do that...
(children)
WOLF0753: no...there it is different
SandraDodd: Did your wife and your sisters-in-law breastfeed their babies?
WOLF0753: YEEES
WOLF0753: that is different in europ
SandraDodd: I'm reading that it was VERY rare in 19th century Germany.
SandraDodd: Good, that it's more common now.
SandraDodd: So what about punishment, though, and just being sweet with
babies? How was that when you were little, or with your kids?
WOLF0753: they spend the first three years very close together, because a
study has shown breast feeting is very importand
SandraDodd: I wish Americans cared more about studies like that!! The
government still will give moms bottles and formula.
SandraDodd: Good for Germany!!
WOLF0753: the study was made in the us
WOLF0753: :)
WOLF0753: my exwife went to a teaching class for a year to be able telling
the mother how importand it is
WOLF0753: breast feeding
SandraDodd: Have they cut down on spanking there too? I hear it's totally
illegal in Sweden.
WOLF0753: the fisrt 5 years you can rase the children and after you only
have to correct them again or remind them
WOLF0753: i personally showed them my feelings instead of punching them
SandraDodd: You're personally a nice guy, though! :-)
What about your neighbors?
WOLF0753: my kids are telling me they would like to rase her kids like we
did with them
WOLF0753: same with the neighbors
SandraDodd: That must be good to hear from your kids!
. . . .
SandraDodd: Okay. Thanks for the info!
SandraDodd: Have a good day
WOLF0753: you are always welcome
WOLF0753: you too and say hello to your nice kids
SandraDodd: I will!
Nancy Wooton
on 1/16/02 8:22 AM, kbcdlovejo@... at kbcdlovejo@... wrote:
as crucial to healthy brain development. I remember thinking that was kind
of quaint, until I realized that, in her time, all lighting and heat sources
were flame, which depleted the oxygen indoors. People slept with open
windows in the middle of winter, too. (Picked that factoid up from a
Dorothy L. Sayers "Peter Wimsey" mystery <g>)
Nancy, factoid sponge.
>> Mnd you, they did get plenty of fresh air :)Getting the kids outdoors everyday is emphasized in Charlotte Mason's books,
>>
>
> I had to laugh at this! We lived in Germany three years and brought our 18 yr
> old neighbor home as an au pair. She was an incredible caregiver---she adored
> Cameron and was MORE than indulgent. But she INSISTED that he get 2 hours of
> fresh air every day! Rain, snow, sleet, sun, whatever---just bundle him up
> and go to the park or downtown to walk main street.
as crucial to healthy brain development. I remember thinking that was kind
of quaint, until I realized that, in her time, all lighting and heat sources
were flame, which depleted the oxygen indoors. People slept with open
windows in the middle of winter, too. (Picked that factoid up from a
Dorothy L. Sayers "Peter Wimsey" mystery <g>)
Nancy, factoid sponge.
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In a message dated 1/16/02 10:45:51 AM, Felicitas@... writes:
<< People slept with open
windows in the middle of winter, too. >>
That's how Peter Pan got in!!
I used to think the Londoners were crazy like that too, but when I was there
in the 70's there was a big campaign to clean up the public buildings. They
were sandblasting soot off of government buildings and cathedrals and
palaces. The place had become a soot-coated, dismal, dark place. With wood
and coal fires, and the industrial days, and then cars, and then the wars...
well they hadn't really had a chance to clean up. It looks really nice now!
But it seems for years it was black and greasy. And people were breathing
that stuff, and leaning on it, and sitting on it.
Sandra
<< People slept with open
windows in the middle of winter, too. >>
That's how Peter Pan got in!!
I used to think the Londoners were crazy like that too, but when I was there
in the 70's there was a big campaign to clean up the public buildings. They
were sandblasting soot off of government buildings and cathedrals and
palaces. The place had become a soot-coated, dismal, dark place. With wood
and coal fires, and the industrial days, and then cars, and then the wars...
well they hadn't really had a chance to clean up. It looks really nice now!
But it seems for years it was black and greasy. And people were breathing
that stuff, and leaning on it, and sitting on it.
Sandra
Shyrley
SandraDodd@... wrote:
I always sleep with my windows open, even in the icy depths of winter.
Must be my european upbringing. I get headaches in an over-heated stuffy
house. Most Americans seem to heat their houses to tropical temperatures
in the winter and then cool them to sub-zero in the summer. The nuclear
industy probably encourages this so they can build more stations :(
Shyrley
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>Now it's just car exhaust that is destroying the buildings :(
> In a message dated 1/16/02 10:45:51 AM, Felicitas@... writes:
>
> << People slept with open
> windows in the middle of winter, too. >>
>
> That's how Peter Pan got in!!
>
> I used to think the Londoners were crazy like that too, but when I was
> there
> in the 70's there was a big campaign to clean up the public
> buildings. They
> were sandblasting soot off of government buildings and cathedrals and
> palaces. The place had become a soot-coated, dismal, dark place.
> With wood
> and coal fires, and the industrial days, and then cars, and then the
> wars...
> well they hadn't really had a chance to clean up. It looks really
> nice now!
> But it seems for years it was black and greasy. And people were
> breathing
> that stuff, and leaning on it, and sitting on it.
>
> Sandra
>
I always sleep with my windows open, even in the icy depths of winter.
Must be my european upbringing. I get headaches in an over-heated stuffy
house. Most Americans seem to heat their houses to tropical temperatures
in the winter and then cool them to sub-zero in the summer. The nuclear
industy probably encourages this so they can build more stations :(
Shyrley
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