Husband HELP!
tracy
Hi All~
We have been unschooling for the past couple of years. This morning I
mention this gal who has created her own college and in doing
uncollege. This is what he says "like thats gonna get you a good job"
So it goes...THEN...he says "like there has been alot of unschooling
going on around here lately, playing computer games all day long, like
thats really unschooling" At that point I'm getting kind of pissed,
because I am thinking we have had like a million conversations about
this, I can't believe we have to go there again. My guestion is...how
would you respond, my kids do lots of things other than games...but
they love their games...and I believe there is plenty of value in them.
Thanks for any insight...Tracy
We have been unschooling for the past couple of years. This morning I
mention this gal who has created her own college and in doing
uncollege. This is what he says "like thats gonna get you a good job"
So it goes...THEN...he says "like there has been alot of unschooling
going on around here lately, playing computer games all day long, like
thats really unschooling" At that point I'm getting kind of pissed,
because I am thinking we have had like a million conversations about
this, I can't believe we have to go there again. My guestion is...how
would you respond, my kids do lots of things other than games...but
they love their games...and I believe there is plenty of value in them.
Thanks for any insight...Tracy
Sandra Dodd
-=-This morning I
mention this gal who has created her own college and in doing
uncollege. This is what he says "like thats gonna get you a good job"
-=-
I wouldn't argue with him. Maybe show him some of the bits on the
teen page, or maybe tell him college is changing.
But honestly, "uncollege" is nonsense. She can be learning on her
own, but to call it anything related to college doesn't make sense as
college pre-dates public school by hundreds of years, and it's never
been compulsory.
What unschoolers do is an alternative to compulsory schooling.
What adults do is learn, or not.
Sandra
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mention this gal who has created her own college and in doing
uncollege. This is what he says "like thats gonna get you a good job"
-=-
I wouldn't argue with him. Maybe show him some of the bits on the
teen page, or maybe tell him college is changing.
But honestly, "uncollege" is nonsense. She can be learning on her
own, but to call it anything related to college doesn't make sense as
college pre-dates public school by hundreds of years, and it's never
been compulsory.
What unschoolers do is an alternative to compulsory schooling.
What adults do is learn, or not.
Sandra
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Kelli Traaseth
Would he be interested in listening to the Dad's Panel from the most recent Live and Learn Conference?
Maybe some words coming from other Dads would help?
You can download it from here:
http://liveandlearnshop.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=8_13_15
I would keep talking with him about it. When we first started unschooling I printed out little bits of conversations that would address my husbands concerns. Ones that really went "ah ha!" to me too. He's obviously missing some pretty important points about unschooling if he doesn't see that playing games is unschooling, which you're seeing.
What about Pam L.'s article about gaming:
http://www.livingjoyfully.ca/unschooling/articles/Everything_I_Need_To_Know_presentation.htm
That touches on a lot of other unschooling points too, not just gaming. When we were starting, I printed out a lot of these types of articles. I'd leave them around and make some comment like, " Wow, these are really interesting. They make a lot of sense to me."
Kelli~
http://ourjoyfullife.blogspot.com/
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Maybe some words coming from other Dads would help?
You can download it from here:
http://liveandlearnshop.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=8_13_15
I would keep talking with him about it. When we first started unschooling I printed out little bits of conversations that would address my husbands concerns. Ones that really went "ah ha!" to me too. He's obviously missing some pretty important points about unschooling if he doesn't see that playing games is unschooling, which you're seeing.
What about Pam L.'s article about gaming:
http://www.livingjoyfully.ca/unschooling/articles/Everything_I_Need_To_Know_presentation.htm
That touches on a lot of other unschooling points too, not just gaming. When we were starting, I printed out a lot of these types of articles. I'd leave them around and make some comment like, " Wow, these are really interesting. They make a lot of sense to me."
Kelli~
http://ourjoyfullife.blogspot.com/
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Gold Standard
>>When we first started unschooling I printed out little bits ofconversations that would address my husbands concerns.<<
I left the most important readings in the bathroom in reach of the toilet.
Those were always read.
I also forward posts to him that particularly touch on any issues we may be
having. Since he reads all his emails, I know he's read it and most times it
makes a difference. He pretty unconditionally supports unschooling now.
Jacki
tracy
Thanks Kelli~
We have the CD version of the video gaming talk...love it! I printed
it from the link you gave, sometimes it's helpful to read something,
instead of listen...so thanks. I don't know if he will take the time
to download the Dad panel, but great suggestion!
Sandra~ Luckily I did'nt argue with him, and thanks for your point
about college being around alot longer than compulsory schooling.
We are all a work in progress, but because I am the one always
connected to the kids and he works/plays alot he gets disconnected.
Staying connected to them is how I know they are learning and happy
and thats all I need to know! Thanks for the replies...it helped me
calm down! Tracy
--- In [email protected], Kelli Traaseth
<kellitraas@...> wrote:
address my husbands concerns. Ones that really went "ah ha!" to me
too. He's obviously missing some pretty important points about
unschooling if he doesn't see that playing games is unschooling,
which you're seeing.
o_Know_presentation.htm
of articles. I'd leave them around and make some comment like, "
Wow, these are really interesting. They make a lot of sense to me."
We have the CD version of the video gaming talk...love it! I printed
it from the link you gave, sometimes it's helpful to read something,
instead of listen...so thanks. I don't know if he will take the time
to download the Dad panel, but great suggestion!
Sandra~ Luckily I did'nt argue with him, and thanks for your point
about college being around alot longer than compulsory schooling.
We are all a work in progress, but because I am the one always
connected to the kids and he works/plays alot he gets disconnected.
Staying connected to them is how I know they are learning and happy
and thats all I need to know! Thanks for the replies...it helped me
calm down! Tracy
--- In [email protected], Kelli Traaseth
<kellitraas@...> wrote:
>most recent Live and Learn Conference?
> Would he be interested in listening to the Dad's Panel from the
>main_page=index&cPath=8_13_15
> Maybe some words coming from other Dads would help?
>
> You can download it from here:
>
> http://liveandlearnshop.com/catalog/index.php?
>unschooling I printed out little bits of conversations that would
> I would keep talking with him about it. When we first started
address my husbands concerns. Ones that really went "ah ha!" to me
too. He's obviously missing some pretty important points about
unschooling if he doesn't see that playing games is unschooling,
which you're seeing.
>http://www.livingjoyfully.ca/unschooling/articles/Everything_I_Need_T
> What about Pam L.'s article about gaming:
>
>
o_Know_presentation.htm
>gaming. When we were starting, I printed out a lot of these types
> That touches on a lot of other unschooling points too, not just
of articles. I'd leave them around and make some comment like, "
Wow, these are really interesting. They make a lot of sense to me."
>Great rates starting at 1¢/min.
>
>
> Kelli~
>
> http://ourjoyfullife.blogspot.com/
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------
> Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls.
>
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>
Lil Lawrence
Tracy, I have a few responses to this. Some of them, or parts of them are
more useful to building relationships than others...
"Just stop right now! I'm feeling really good about the decision to
homeschool our children. Perhaps if you are concerned you might consider
reading some of the literature on the subject. Maybe you want to talk with
other homeschooling parents (on-line or whatever). The children and I really
appreciate you being a supporter in this journey, even being a partner. It
is painful to hear your criticisms, espcially since they are in the face of
the previous conversations we've had. Please create and emit some positive
energy on this important subject."
Lil, sharing and caring
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From: "tracy" <tracyliebmann@...>
Reply-To: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: [AlwaysLearning] Husband HELP!
Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2006 15:00:25 -0000
Hi All~
We have been unschooling for the past couple of years. This morning I
mention this gal who has created her own college and in doing
uncollege. This is what he says "like thats gonna get you a good job"
So it goes...THEN...he says "like there has been alot of unschooling
going on around here lately, playing computer games all day long, like
thats really unschooling" At that point I'm getting kind of pissed,
because I am thinking we have had like a million conversations about
this, I can't believe we have to go there again. My guestion is...how
would you respond, my kids do lots of things other than games...but
they love their games...and I believe there is plenty of value in them.
Thanks for any insight...Tracy
more useful to building relationships than others...
"Just stop right now! I'm feeling really good about the decision to
homeschool our children. Perhaps if you are concerned you might consider
reading some of the literature on the subject. Maybe you want to talk with
other homeschooling parents (on-line or whatever). The children and I really
appreciate you being a supporter in this journey, even being a partner. It
is painful to hear your criticisms, espcially since they are in the face of
the previous conversations we've had. Please create and emit some positive
energy on this important subject."
Lil, sharing and caring
----Original Message Follows----
From: "tracy" <tracyliebmann@...>
Reply-To: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: [AlwaysLearning] Husband HELP!
Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2006 15:00:25 -0000
Hi All~
We have been unschooling for the past couple of years. This morning I
mention this gal who has created her own college and in doing
uncollege. This is what he says "like thats gonna get you a good job"
So it goes...THEN...he says "like there has been alot of unschooling
going on around here lately, playing computer games all day long, like
thats really unschooling" At that point I'm getting kind of pissed,
because I am thinking we have had like a million conversations about
this, I can't believe we have to go there again. My guestion is...how
would you respond, my kids do lots of things other than games...but
they love their games...and I believe there is plenty of value in them.
Thanks for any insight...Tracy
Cindy Fox
--- In [email protected], Sandra Dodd <Sandra@...> wrote:
mean 'not' or 'opposite of' and I see a whole litany of things
that 'school' does in addition to the mandatory part.
In another thought, many people do seem to assume that college is
mandatory and some professions require degrees. If you find an
alternate way to achieve that is it uncollege then?
I have also seen 'unjobbing' which also makes sense to me. The
control is there, even though people can 'technically' leave at any
point. Here's some of the stuff I was already familiar with unjobbing:
Un-Jobbing : The Adult Liberation Handbook by Michael Fogler
http://smartpei.typepad.com/robert_patersons_weblog/2004/05/unjobbing.h
tml
http://showideas.com/Next/FC-1_Unjobbing.htm
And the relationship to unschooling is just the next steps in life. :)
c.
> But honestly, "uncollege" is nonsense. She can be learning on herThat's an interesting perspective. I always took 'un' just to
> own, but to call it anything related to college doesn't make sense
> as college pre-dates public school by hundreds of years, and it's
> never been compulsory.
>
> What unschoolers do is an alternative to compulsory schooling.
> What adults do is learn, or not.
mean 'not' or 'opposite of' and I see a whole litany of things
that 'school' does in addition to the mandatory part.
In another thought, many people do seem to assume that college is
mandatory and some professions require degrees. If you find an
alternate way to achieve that is it uncollege then?
I have also seen 'unjobbing' which also makes sense to me. The
control is there, even though people can 'technically' leave at any
point. Here's some of the stuff I was already familiar with unjobbing:
Un-Jobbing : The Adult Liberation Handbook by Michael Fogler
http://smartpei.typepad.com/robert_patersons_weblog/2004/05/unjobbing.h
tml
http://showideas.com/Next/FC-1_Unjobbing.htm
And the relationship to unschooling is just the next steps in life. :)
c.
Sandra Dodd
-=-In another thought, many people do seem to assume that college is
mandatory and some professions require degrees. If you find an
alternate way to achieve that is it uncollege then?-=-
No, then it's finding an alternative way to achieve a goal.
Why call it something irritating and nonsensical?
Home schooling gets kids through the compulsory education years.
Unschooling is a form of homeschooling.
After compulsory education, there's no reason for designations.
-=-I have also seen 'unjobbing' which also makes sense to me. The
control is there, even though people can 'technically' leave at any
point.-=-
What control?
People can leave any job at any point.
Sandra
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mandatory and some professions require degrees. If you find an
alternate way to achieve that is it uncollege then?-=-
No, then it's finding an alternative way to achieve a goal.
Why call it something irritating and nonsensical?
Home schooling gets kids through the compulsory education years.
Unschooling is a form of homeschooling.
After compulsory education, there's no reason for designations.
-=-I have also seen 'unjobbing' which also makes sense to me. The
control is there, even though people can 'technically' leave at any
point.-=-
What control?
People can leave any job at any point.
Sandra
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Dan Vilter
Tracy,
I would be happy to discuss why I drank the Kool-Aid, and have seen the
benefits of gaming far beyond what I initially thought was there, anytime.
He can write me off list.
Dan Vilter
I would be happy to discuss why I drank the Kool-Aid, and have seen the
benefits of gaming far beyond what I initially thought was there, anytime.
He can write me off list.
Dan Vilter
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>> > Maybe some words coming from other Dads would help?
>> >
>
plaidpanties666
I thought there already *was* a word for "unjobbing"-
Self Employment.
---Meredith
Self Employment.
---Meredith
Sandra Dodd
-=I thought there already *was* a word for "unjobbing"-
Self Employment.
-=-
Absolutely.
Playing with words where there aren't clear terms already in place
can be fun and sometimes useful. But making up sub-group terminology
for things English already names is jargon. Jargon is often for the
purpose of making outsiders feel like outsiders. Let's try not to do
that. Our kids can't be living in the world if we create a world
apart, with terminology only we "get."
Already we have the difference between deschooling and unschooling,
which baffles others. That seems to be lots.
Sandra
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Self Employment.
-=-
Absolutely.
Playing with words where there aren't clear terms already in place
can be fun and sometimes useful. But making up sub-group terminology
for things English already names is jargon. Jargon is often for the
purpose of making outsiders feel like outsiders. Let's try not to do
that. Our kids can't be living in the world if we create a world
apart, with terminology only we "get."
Already we have the difference between deschooling and unschooling,
which baffles others. That seems to be lots.
Sandra
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Lesa
I agree... all that other stuff really seems to just be a promotion ploy
anyway.
Lesa
http://lifeacademy.homeschooljournal.net
-------Original Message-------
From: Sandra Dodd
Date: 10/04/06 08:52:33
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [AlwaysLearning] Unjobbing/Uncolleging was: Re: Husband HELP!
-=I thought there already *was* a word for "unjobbing"-
Self Employment.
-=-
Absolutely.
Playing with words where there aren't clear terms already in place
can be fun and sometimes useful. But making up sub-group terminology
for things English already names is jargon. Jargon is often for the
purpose of making outsiders feel like outsiders. Let's try not to do
that. Our kids can't be living in the world if we create a world
apart, with terminology only we "get."
Already we have the difference between deschooling and unschooling,
which baffles others. That seems to be lots.
Sandra
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Yahoo! Groups Links
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anyway.
Lesa
http://lifeacademy.homeschooljournal.net
-------Original Message-------
From: Sandra Dodd
Date: 10/04/06 08:52:33
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [AlwaysLearning] Unjobbing/Uncolleging was: Re: Husband HELP!
-=I thought there already *was* a word for "unjobbing"-
Self Employment.
-=-
Absolutely.
Playing with words where there aren't clear terms already in place
can be fun and sometimes useful. But making up sub-group terminology
for things English already names is jargon. Jargon is often for the
purpose of making outsiders feel like outsiders. Let's try not to do
that. Our kids can't be living in the world if we create a world
apart, with terminology only we "get."
Already we have the difference between deschooling and unschooling,
which baffles others. That seems to be lots.
Sandra
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Yahoo! Groups Links
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