What Kirby's doing
Sandra Dodd
http://angrytikimovies.com/
There's the site of the people who are doing the movie Kirby's in.
It will be shown at a local festival, at least, and be available on
DVD next fall, I think.
It talks about auditions, where the cast is listed, but Kirby was a
straight invitee, I think. They knew him from the gaming store.
The project is called "In Character," and is about role-playing gamers.
Sandra
There's the site of the people who are doing the movie Kirby's in.
It will be shown at a local festival, at least, and be available on
DVD next fall, I think.
It talks about auditions, where the cast is listed, but Kirby was a
straight invitee, I think. They knew him from the gaming store.
The project is called "In Character," and is about role-playing gamers.
Sandra
Rod Thomas
Sandra
What is your take on the necessity of cursive writing. Do kids really
need to learn it.?
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What is your take on the necessity of cursive writing. Do kids really
need to learn it.?
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Sandra Dodd
On May 26, 2006, at 9:21 PM, Rod Thomas wrote:
because I was learning to write with pencil and ballpoint instead of
a fountain pen.
I did okay. And because of personal interest, I did a lot of writing
with fountain pens, cartridge pens and dip pens.
My husband's cursive writing is unuseable for everyday purposes. I
know one young man in his 20's who went to school "regularly" and
can't read cursive writing very well at all. He can't be the only one.
I think it's fading.
http://sandradodd.com/writing
It does seem that "keyboarding" (once known as typing) is the
important skill to have.
Even if I thought cursive was a necessity for life, though, trying to
make people do it wouldn't be a good way to get there.
Kirby's handwriting improved a lot after he went to work at a pizza
place and took phone orders that other people needed to be able to
read. It was his first real use of quick handwriting. Some people
never find a real-world need for it.
Sandra
> What is your take on the necessity of cursive writing. Do kids reallyMy granny was sure, in the the 60's, that my life would be incomplete
> need to learn it.?
because I was learning to write with pencil and ballpoint instead of
a fountain pen.
I did okay. And because of personal interest, I did a lot of writing
with fountain pens, cartridge pens and dip pens.
My husband's cursive writing is unuseable for everyday purposes. I
know one young man in his 20's who went to school "regularly" and
can't read cursive writing very well at all. He can't be the only one.
I think it's fading.
http://sandradodd.com/writing
It does seem that "keyboarding" (once known as typing) is the
important skill to have.
Even if I thought cursive was a necessity for life, though, trying to
make people do it wouldn't be a good way to get there.
Kirby's handwriting improved a lot after he went to work at a pizza
place and took phone orders that other people needed to be able to
read. It was his first real use of quick handwriting. Some people
never find a real-world need for it.
Sandra
queenjane555
My son can't read cursive yet. I'm not too worried. I think the need
for it is diminishing greatly with the use of computers. My son can
type really fast.
The only time i really use cursive is in signing checks or credit card
slips, or when i am making a list for myself. (Obviously, if i am
leaving a note for my son i print.) My son recently opened up a
savings acct and "signed" the back of the check he was depositing...he
printed his name. It was fine. I think if there is a situation in
which he needs to read cursive, he'll learn it pretty quickly, the
same way he's learned computer programs, or typing, etc.
Katherine
for it is diminishing greatly with the use of computers. My son can
type really fast.
The only time i really use cursive is in signing checks or credit card
slips, or when i am making a list for myself. (Obviously, if i am
leaving a note for my son i print.) My son recently opened up a
savings acct and "signed" the back of the check he was depositing...he
printed his name. It was fine. I think if there is a situation in
which he needs to read cursive, he'll learn it pretty quickly, the
same way he's learned computer programs, or typing, etc.
Katherine
Sandra Dodd
On May 27, 2006, at 11:04 AM, queenjane555 wrote:
signature, but a Deposit only, account #xxxxx. People who CAN sign
in cursive. <g>
Marty has direct deposit and uses a debit card, so even the argument
about signing checks that DID seem to make sense to me a few years
ago has passed on into history, pretty much.
I wrote a check this week to someone who doesn't have PayPal. <g>
And a couple of weeks ago I wrote one, and those were the first for
quite a while.
When I write grocery lists for Keith, I use my regular handwriting.
We've known each other nearly 30 years and can read each other's
scribbles. When I write for one of the kids, I use careful cursive
and go back over letters they might miss, if it will matter (R, mostly).
Sandra
> My son recently opened up aLots of people use rubber stamps on their checks—not even a
> savings acct and "signed" the back of the check he was depositing...he
> printed his name. It was fine.
signature, but a Deposit only, account #xxxxx. People who CAN sign
in cursive. <g>
Marty has direct deposit and uses a debit card, so even the argument
about signing checks that DID seem to make sense to me a few years
ago has passed on into history, pretty much.
I wrote a check this week to someone who doesn't have PayPal. <g>
And a couple of weeks ago I wrote one, and those were the first for
quite a while.
When I write grocery lists for Keith, I use my regular handwriting.
We've known each other nearly 30 years and can read each other's
scribbles. When I write for one of the kids, I use careful cursive
and go back over letters they might miss, if it will matter (R, mostly).
Sandra
Rod Thomas
Regarding cursive, someone said to me:
<<<I think it's important that children understand that there are
standards that need to be met.
If they never experience stress, they won't be able to handle stress
later. In the real world, people are tested & stressed out daily. If
you can't handle it, you get fired. >>>>>
I was speechless...
Flyerkat
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<<<I think it's important that children understand that there are
standards that need to be met.
If they never experience stress, they won't be able to handle stress
later. In the real world, people are tested & stressed out daily. If
you can't handle it, you get fired. >>>>>
I was speechless...
Flyerkat
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Deanne Brown
My brother is 35 years old. He does not write cursive. He prints
everything. In fact, he even prints his signature. He went through
grade school, high school (strict Catholic college prep school), and
college without writing cursive. He is now working in the corporate
world as a project manager. It did not inhibit him in the least.
Deanne
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everything. In fact, he even prints his signature. He went through
grade school, high school (strict Catholic college prep school), and
college without writing cursive. He is now working in the corporate
world as a project manager. It did not inhibit him in the least.
Deanne
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Melissa
Regarding standards,
I'm speechless as well. The only standards that are of concern to me
include compassion, courtesy, kindness, openmindedness. The rest is
all open....especially cursive. Jeesh.
No, if you have trouble with stress, you find a way to cope with it.
If you live your life with compassion and grace, then other people
are usually more than happy to help you in the same way. My husband
is a great example
Melissa
Mom to Josh (11), Breanna (8), Emily (7), Rachel (6), Sam (4), Dan
(2), and Avari Rose
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I'm speechless as well. The only standards that are of concern to me
include compassion, courtesy, kindness, openmindedness. The rest is
all open....especially cursive. Jeesh.
No, if you have trouble with stress, you find a way to cope with it.
If you live your life with compassion and grace, then other people
are usually more than happy to help you in the same way. My husband
is a great example
Melissa
Mom to Josh (11), Breanna (8), Emily (7), Rachel (6), Sam (4), Dan
(2), and Avari Rose
share our lives at
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On May 27, 2006, at 1:19 PM, Rod Thomas wrote:
> Regarding cursive, someone said to me:
>
> <<<I think it's important that children understand that there are
> standards that need to be met.
> If they never experience stress, they won't be able to handle stress
> later. In the real world, people are tested & stressed out
> daily. If
> you can't handle it, you get fired. >>>>>
>
>
> I was speechless...
>
> Flyerkat
>
>
Gold Standard
>>In the real world, people are tested & stressed out daily.<<So why add more stress unnecessarily? That argument has always been hogwash,
and often comes from someone who is terrified to think that they could be
making their child's life BETTER by NOT adding stress. The real world has
real stresses for real people. One of our jobs is to help and support our
children through that, not add to it, especially superficial additions.
>>IfHaving been an employer for 12 years, the people who "handle" stress well
>>you can't handle it, you get fired. >>>>>
are usually the ones who have had a good amount of their lives living with
peace and contentment. They have better priorities, and know the difference
between having to run quickly because there is a fire and running quickly to
meet a deadline. In both situations, calmness can be the base. And genetics
of course play a part, etc. but...
people who are raised in an environment where even their closest allies,
their parents, add stress to their lives, do not usually come out whole or
come out the best people they can be.
Jacki
Sandra Dodd
On May 27, 2006, at 12:19 PM, Rod Thomas wrote:
a life, when they were little boys (like two, and five) told me I
needed to frustrate them so they could learn to deal with frustration.
Could I time-travel back now, being me now and knowing how the whole
arc of the thing would eventually play out, I would QUICKLY and
easily have said "Visiting you is frustration enough." I didn't,
though, because I didn't have the confidence and knowledge I have now.
But seriously, she thought that *purposely* frustrating a person was
smart, responsible, good and right.
What unmitigated bullshit.
But I guess it comes of of having grown up with the Depression, with
WWII, and thinking that without a natural social disaster, kids would
grow up weak and without tools.
It's just not so. The horrible happenings of the early 20th century
scarred people, and they passed those wounds on by a weird set of
meanness and cruelty visited on millions of baby boomers.
But I had never thought of cursive writing as having been created for
the purpose of training people to handle stress. LOL!
By the way, it's an American problem, that ugly "Palmer cursive." I
think the Canadians were spared. Brits have a pretty and simple
italic called "joined-up writing," which doesn't have a bunch of 18th
century loopy crap.
I'm guessing Australia and New Zealand inherited something like that.
Sandra
> If they never experience stress, they won't be able to handle stressMy mother in law, thinking that Kirby and Marty were having too cushy
> later.
a life, when they were little boys (like two, and five) told me I
needed to frustrate them so they could learn to deal with frustration.
Could I time-travel back now, being me now and knowing how the whole
arc of the thing would eventually play out, I would QUICKLY and
easily have said "Visiting you is frustration enough." I didn't,
though, because I didn't have the confidence and knowledge I have now.
But seriously, she thought that *purposely* frustrating a person was
smart, responsible, good and right.
What unmitigated bullshit.
But I guess it comes of of having grown up with the Depression, with
WWII, and thinking that without a natural social disaster, kids would
grow up weak and without tools.
It's just not so. The horrible happenings of the early 20th century
scarred people, and they passed those wounds on by a weird set of
meanness and cruelty visited on millions of baby boomers.
But I had never thought of cursive writing as having been created for
the purpose of training people to handle stress. LOL!
By the way, it's an American problem, that ugly "Palmer cursive." I
think the Canadians were spared. Brits have a pretty and simple
italic called "joined-up writing," which doesn't have a bunch of 18th
century loopy crap.
I'm guessing Australia and New Zealand inherited something like that.
Sandra
Sandra Dodd
Cursive is any style of handwriting in which all the letters in a
word are connected, making a word one single (complicated) stroke. In
British English, the phrase "joined-up writing" is far more commonly
used, while the term "running writing" is sometimes used in
Australia. Cursive is considered distinct from the so-called
"printing" or "block letter" style of handwriting, in which the
letters of a word are unconnected, and from "print-writing", which is
a cross between cursive and printing, with some unconnected letters
and some connected.
From wikipedia's article.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cursive_writing
I went to find some samples of Australian writing, and found some
there! Victorian Modern. Says it's most common in Western
Australia. This is fun!
If anyone knows of or finds something good, please send me links or
notes!
I'm putting it here:
http://sandradodd.com/cursive
And I think the files area of this list has a collection we started
to make of people's handwriting. Mine and Dan Vilter's are there, I
think.
Maybe I'll link those to this page, but I think only list members can
see them.
Sandra
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word are connected, making a word one single (complicated) stroke. In
British English, the phrase "joined-up writing" is far more commonly
used, while the term "running writing" is sometimes used in
Australia. Cursive is considered distinct from the so-called
"printing" or "block letter" style of handwriting, in which the
letters of a word are unconnected, and from "print-writing", which is
a cross between cursive and printing, with some unconnected letters
and some connected.
From wikipedia's article.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cursive_writing
I went to find some samples of Australian writing, and found some
there! Victorian Modern. Says it's most common in Western
Australia. This is fun!
If anyone knows of or finds something good, please send me links or
notes!
I'm putting it here:
http://sandradodd.com/cursive
And I think the files area of this list has a collection we started
to make of people's handwriting. Mine and Dan Vilter's are there, I
think.
Maybe I'll link those to this page, but I think only list members can
see them.
Sandra
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Rod Thomas
Regarding cursive, someone said to me:
<<<I think it's important that children understand that there are
standards that need to be met.
If they never experience stress, they won't be able to handle stress
later. In the real world, people are tested & stressed out daily. If
you can't handle it, you get fired. >>>>>
I was speechless...
Flyerkat
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<<<I think it's important that children understand that there are
standards that need to be met.
If they never experience stress, they won't be able to handle stress
later. In the real world, people are tested & stressed out daily. If
you can't handle it, you get fired. >>>>>
I was speechless...
Flyerkat
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Kim H
<By the way, it's an American problem, that ugly "Palmer cursive." I
think the Canadians were spared. Brits have a pretty and simple
italic called "joined-up writing," which doesn't have a bunch of 18th
century loopy crap.
I'm guessing Australia and New Zealand inherited something like that>
Hi,
Yes, we do (in Australia) have a joined-up writing style for cursive and in schools they haev changed it to a much better form (in the past few years) that basically just joins the letters in an even more natural way. But, as a teacher, I had great trouble re-learning how to do it and I was forever embarressed to have to do handwriting lessons on the blackboard as mine was something very unworthy of copying! Hey, but I was the teacher!!!! YUK!
As a child I hated cursive writing and, to this day, I can't do it properly. I have never, since high school, used it. Printing is so much quicker for me and typing ..well, give me a keyboard any day. I do love to write on paper though - something special about a pen and paper for me, especially that first crisp, blank page in a new journal. But for ease and quickness I use the computer.
Kim
think the Canadians were spared. Brits have a pretty and simple
italic called "joined-up writing," which doesn't have a bunch of 18th
century loopy crap.
I'm guessing Australia and New Zealand inherited something like that>
Hi,
Yes, we do (in Australia) have a joined-up writing style for cursive and in schools they haev changed it to a much better form (in the past few years) that basically just joins the letters in an even more natural way. But, as a teacher, I had great trouble re-learning how to do it and I was forever embarressed to have to do handwriting lessons on the blackboard as mine was something very unworthy of copying! Hey, but I was the teacher!!!! YUK!
As a child I hated cursive writing and, to this day, I can't do it properly. I have never, since high school, used it. Printing is so much quicker for me and typing ..well, give me a keyboard any day. I do love to write on paper though - something special about a pen and paper for me, especially that first crisp, blank page in a new journal. But for ease and quickness I use the computer.
Kim
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From: Sandra Dodd
To: [email protected]
Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2006 5:00 AM
Subject: Re: [AlwaysLearning] cursive/stress
On May 27, 2006, at 12:19 PM, Rod Thomas wrote:
> If they never experience stress, they won't be able to handle stress
> later.
My mother in law, thinking that Kirby and Marty were having too cushy
a life, when they were little boys (like two, and five) told me I
needed to frustrate them so they could learn to deal with frustration.
Could I time-travel back now, being me now and knowing how the whole
arc of the thing would eventually play out, I would QUICKLY and
easily have said "Visiting you is frustration enough." I didn't,
though, because I didn't have the confidence and knowledge I have now.
But seriously, she thought that *purposely* frustrating a person was
smart, responsible, good and right.
What unmitigated bullshit.
But I guess it comes of of having grown up with the Depression, with
WWII, and thinking that without a natural social disaster, kids would
grow up weak and without tools.
It's just not so. The horrible happenings of the early 20th century
scarred people, and they passed those wounds on by a weird set of
meanness and cruelty visited on millions of baby boomers.
But I had never thought of cursive writing as having been created for
the purpose of training people to handle stress. LOL!
By the way, it's an American problem, that ugly "Palmer cursive." I
think the Canadians were spared. Brits have a pretty and simple
italic called "joined-up writing," which doesn't have a bunch of 18th
century loopy crap.
I'm guessing Australia and New Zealand inherited something like that.
Sandra
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Sandra Dodd
On May 27, 2006, at 3:23 PM, Kim H wrote:
in an American movie there's a handwritten note (like someone reading
a letter), can you read it?
I used to have a penpal from Switzerland. French was his first
language, and he was writing in English, and I could hardly
understand it because of the lettering. I had to learn to translate
the letters. And German books from the early 20th century and
earlier were using some kind of lettering that was undecipherable to
me, even when I kinda knew what I was looking for. So even
countries and languages that "use the same alphabet" can be
indecipherable to one another sometimes.
Cursive bad. Computer GOOD.
Sandra
> Yes, we do (in Australia) have a joined-up writing style forSo, to younger readers here, and southern hemisphere residents, when
> cursive and in schools they haev changed it to a much better form
> (in the past few years) that basically just joins the letters in an
> even more natural way
in an American movie there's a handwritten note (like someone reading
a letter), can you read it?
I used to have a penpal from Switzerland. French was his first
language, and he was writing in English, and I could hardly
understand it because of the lettering. I had to learn to translate
the letters. And German books from the early 20th century and
earlier were using some kind of lettering that was undecipherable to
me, even when I kinda knew what I was looking for. So even
countries and languages that "use the same alphabet" can be
indecipherable to one another sometimes.
Cursive bad. Computer GOOD.
Sandra
Pamela Sorooshian
On May 27, 2006, at 11:57 AM, Gold Standard wrote:
fire in our house - existing stress doesn't help you deal with MORE
stress. Instead, it puts you on the edge and just a little extra
normal-life stress, can seem terribly overwhelming!
-pam
Unschooling shirts, cups, bumper stickers, bags...
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UNSCHOOL!
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>AND - speaking from current personal experience, having had a house
>>> In the real world, people are tested & stressed out daily.<<
>
> So why add more stress unnecessarily?
fire in our house - existing stress doesn't help you deal with MORE
stress. Instead, it puts you on the edge and just a little extra
normal-life stress, can seem terribly overwhelming!
-pam
Unschooling shirts, cups, bumper stickers, bags...
Live Love Learn
UNSCHOOL!
<http://www.cafepress.com/livelovelearn>
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Melissa
Good point! that was something we learned early on with Breanna. the
psychologist explained it like this. If you hold your hands out
together, they are built to hold a certain number of marbles. Some
people have bigger hands, some have smaller. Some are able to spread
their fingers and hold a little more than you'd expect. So if you
pile a few marbles in there, you are doing okay. A few more and maybe
your hands start to cramp, get a little sweaty or hot. But if you
have someone pouring marbles into your hand, you cannot just hold
more with practice! You can handle some stress, we're all created
differently and handle the stress differently. But everyone has a
threshold where they can hold no more marbles.
Our job is to put our hands under hers and help her catch the marbles
until her hands are big enough to hold what she needs to. There is
nothing in the job description about adding more marbles!
Melissa
Mom to Josh (11), Breanna (8), Emily (7), Rachel (6), Sam (4), Dan
(2), and Avari Rose
share our lives at
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psychologist explained it like this. If you hold your hands out
together, they are built to hold a certain number of marbles. Some
people have bigger hands, some have smaller. Some are able to spread
their fingers and hold a little more than you'd expect. So if you
pile a few marbles in there, you are doing okay. A few more and maybe
your hands start to cramp, get a little sweaty or hot. But if you
have someone pouring marbles into your hand, you cannot just hold
more with practice! You can handle some stress, we're all created
differently and handle the stress differently. But everyone has a
threshold where they can hold no more marbles.
Our job is to put our hands under hers and help her catch the marbles
until her hands are big enough to hold what she needs to. There is
nothing in the job description about adding more marbles!
Melissa
Mom to Josh (11), Breanna (8), Emily (7), Rachel (6), Sam (4), Dan
(2), and Avari Rose
share our lives at
http://360.yahoo.com/multimomma
On May 27, 2006, at 5:14 PM, Pamela Sorooshian wrote:
> AND - speaking from current personal experience, having had a house
> fire in our house - existing stress doesn't help you deal with MORE
> stress. Instead, it puts you on the edge and just a little extra
> normal-life stress, can seem terribly overwhelming!
[email protected]
I'm not sure, but I thought it was in a John Holt book, in which he said
that he was always told people should learn cursive because it's faster than
printing. But then he did a test with the kids in his class, and a few adults,
and most people printed faster. It's a vague memory, but I just remember the
moral being, that printing is faster for most people than cursive.
Nancy B.
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that he was always told people should learn cursive because it's faster than
printing. But then he did a test with the kids in his class, and a few adults,
and most people printed faster. It's a vague memory, but I just remember the
moral being, that printing is faster for most people than cursive.
Nancy B.
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I'm wondering if this looks like the books I've seen in homeschool catalogs,
something like "Italics handwriting." It's basically almost a cross between
printing and cursive.
Nancy B.
Yes, we do (in Australia) have a joined-up writing style for cursive and in
schools they haev changed it to a much better form (in the past few years)
that basically just joins the letters in an even more natural way.
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something like "Italics handwriting." It's basically almost a cross between
printing and cursive.
Nancy B.
>>In a message dated 5/27/2006 5:24:00 PM Eastern Standard Time,kimlewismark@... writes:
Yes, we do (in Australia) have a joined-up writing style for cursive and in
schools they haev changed it to a much better form (in the past few years)
that basically just joins the letters in an even more natural way.
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Sandra Dodd
On May 27, 2006, at 6:38 PM, CelticFrau@... wrote:
I know at one point I typed it all out, holding the book between my
knee and the desk. Probably on this list. Probably years ago.
Probably should do it again. <g>
He was teaching kids, elementary level I think, and said cursive was
faster and some of them said they didn't think so. So they raced,
and two printers won, and so Holt quit using the explanation he had
been told (and believed), that cursive was faster.
Cursive is good for people using liquid ink, because the flow doesn't
have to stop. That's another explanation that seems reasonable in a
way, but then... maybe not totally valid either. And few people use
liquid ink anymore and those who do are often doing calligraphy
that's not even intended to be "joined up."
It's probably just art and preference, as with lots of aesthetic
things. Explanations are made, but don't hold up to scrutiny. The
explanation for why blackletter is so tightly parallel was that paper
was expensive. But those same books with the vertical blackletter/
old-English script had BIG margins and full pages of giant initial
letters, or pages of vines and flowers. It wasn't "paper is
expensive," it's that people thought tall and elegant was pretty.
The same people and places were creating vertical cathedrals with
lots of columns closer together than engineering required, and making
the buidings VERY vertical and pointy, and not because land was
scarce and expensive. <g> It was the style.
Then in the 1960's the same people who were driving VW bugs home to
geodesic dome houses were making those fat bubble letters.
Styles change.
Sandra
> I'm not sure, but I thought it was in a John Holt book, in which heI think it's in Learning all the Time, or Never too late...
> said
> that he was always told people should learn cursive because it's
> faster than
> printing. But then he did a test with the kids in his class, and a
> few adults,
> and most people printed faster. It's a vague memory, but I just
> remember the
> moral being, that printing is faster for most people than cursive.
I know at one point I typed it all out, holding the book between my
knee and the desk. Probably on this list. Probably years ago.
Probably should do it again. <g>
He was teaching kids, elementary level I think, and said cursive was
faster and some of them said they didn't think so. So they raced,
and two printers won, and so Holt quit using the explanation he had
been told (and believed), that cursive was faster.
Cursive is good for people using liquid ink, because the flow doesn't
have to stop. That's another explanation that seems reasonable in a
way, but then... maybe not totally valid either. And few people use
liquid ink anymore and those who do are often doing calligraphy
that's not even intended to be "joined up."
It's probably just art and preference, as with lots of aesthetic
things. Explanations are made, but don't hold up to scrutiny. The
explanation for why blackletter is so tightly parallel was that paper
was expensive. But those same books with the vertical blackletter/
old-English script had BIG margins and full pages of giant initial
letters, or pages of vines and flowers. It wasn't "paper is
expensive," it's that people thought tall and elegant was pretty.
The same people and places were creating vertical cathedrals with
lots of columns closer together than engineering required, and making
the buidings VERY vertical and pointy, and not because land was
scarce and expensive. <g> It was the style.
Then in the 1960's the same people who were driving VW bugs home to
geodesic dome houses were making those fat bubble letters.
Styles change.
Sandra
Pamela Sorooshian
Fifth Harry Potter book - Order of the Phoenix - they go visit Mr.
Weasley in the hospital and see Lockheart and he offers to sign
autographs for them and says he can do "joined-up writing."
(From Rosie)
-pam
Weasley in the hospital and see Lockheart and he offers to sign
autographs for them and says he can do "joined-up writing."
(From Rosie)
-pam
On May 27, 2006, at 12:21 PM, Sandra Dodd wrote:
> In
> British English, the phrase "joined-up writing" is far more commonly
> used,
Unschooling shirts, cups, bumper stickers, bags...
Live Love Learn
UNSCHOOL!
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Nancy Wooton
On May 27, 2006, at 8:22 PM, Pamela Sorooshian wrote:
the Muggle!), and I noticed when the scrap of paper with Harry's name
on it came out of the goblet, the writing was printing but joined up.
The note Fred (or is it George?) writes to Ron is in block capitals.
Only Tom Riddle seems to have really nice handwriting.... ("Chamber of
Secrets," in the bewitched diary :-)
Nancy
> Fifth Harry Potter book - Order of the Phoenix - they go visit Mr.We just watched "Goblet of Fire" on DVD tonight (dh had never seen it,
> Weasley in the hospital and see Lockheart and he offers to sign
> autographs for them and says he can do "joined-up writing."
>
> (From Rosie)
>
> -pam
>
the Muggle!), and I noticed when the scrap of paper with Harry's name
on it came out of the goblet, the writing was printing but joined up.
The note Fred (or is it George?) writes to Ron is in block capitals.
Only Tom Riddle seems to have really nice handwriting.... ("Chamber of
Secrets," in the bewitched diary :-)
Nancy
Ken Cooper
Here's some timely research about the value of 'hard knocks' in life.
Life's Harsh Lessons 'Make You More Gullible'
http://www2.le.ac.uk/ebulletin/news/press-releases/2000-2009/2006/05/npartic
le.2006-05-23.9962988556
Life's Harsh Lessons 'Make You More Gullible'
http://www2.le.ac.uk/ebulletin/news/press-releases/2000-2009/2006/05/npartic
le.2006-05-23.9962988556
Sandra Dodd
On May 28, 2006, at 10:36 PM, Ken Cooper wrote:
or here's a substitute link from tinyurl:
http://tinyurl.com/mr79l
A quote from the article.
the findings also suggest that early positive life events may have a
protective influence over the effects of subsequent adversity:
�If positive life events predate the negative life events then
individuals may be more resilient in terms of, not being so badly
affected, psychologically, by the subsequent adverse events. However,
issues may arise if the reverse is the case; if the adverse life
events precede the positive, those individuals may become, as a
result, more susceptible to suggestion and misleading information.
Nevertheless, future research will still have to examine this. The
order of life events experienced, however, is seemingly important.�
The study found that the parental role is an important one, so
education- showing parents functional ways of dealing with their
children, meaning that the children will see positive role models,
and learn "healthy" skills or ways of dealing with stress/negative
life events- may help cultivate a positive mind-set within the child
or adolescent which will stay with them throughout life.
===================
GOOD ARTICLE! Thanks, Ken. (Would be good for some in-laws we've
known and heard of.)
Sandra
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> http://www2.le.ac.uk/ebulletin/news/press-releases/The whole link needs to be pasted in.
> 2000-2009/2006/05/npartic
> le.2006-05-23.9962988556
or here's a substitute link from tinyurl:
http://tinyurl.com/mr79l
A quote from the article.
the findings also suggest that early positive life events may have a
protective influence over the effects of subsequent adversity:
�If positive life events predate the negative life events then
individuals may be more resilient in terms of, not being so badly
affected, psychologically, by the subsequent adverse events. However,
issues may arise if the reverse is the case; if the adverse life
events precede the positive, those individuals may become, as a
result, more susceptible to suggestion and misleading information.
Nevertheless, future research will still have to examine this. The
order of life events experienced, however, is seemingly important.�
The study found that the parental role is an important one, so
education- showing parents functional ways of dealing with their
children, meaning that the children will see positive role models,
and learn "healthy" skills or ways of dealing with stress/negative
life events- may help cultivate a positive mind-set within the child
or adolescent which will stay with them throughout life.
===================
GOOD ARTICLE! Thanks, Ken. (Would be good for some in-laws we've
known and heard of.)
Sandra
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Kim H
<I'm wondering if this looks like the books I've seen in homeschool catalogs,
something like "Italics handwriting." It's basically almost a cross between
printing and cursive>
Sort of. It's called Foundation handwriting and it has a very similar slant to italics.The printing method of foundation has a slant too so that when they teach kids the cursive mehtod the format remians the same. Sort of a good idea I guess if they have to be taught something. The first style of writing I learnt (in Kindergarten I guess?) was the old 'ball and stick' method for printing and that's how I write, still today. I've changed my k's as I had to for learning faoundation handwriting for my teaching days and my e's are more slanty.
Kim
something like "Italics handwriting." It's basically almost a cross between
printing and cursive>
Sort of. It's called Foundation handwriting and it has a very similar slant to italics.The printing method of foundation has a slant too so that when they teach kids the cursive mehtod the format remians the same. Sort of a good idea I guess if they have to be taught something. The first style of writing I learnt (in Kindergarten I guess?) was the old 'ball and stick' method for printing and that's how I write, still today. I've changed my k's as I had to for learning faoundation handwriting for my teaching days and my e's are more slanty.
Kim
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Subject: Re: [AlwaysLearning] cursive/stress
I'm wondering if this looks like the books I've seen in homeschool catalogs,
something like "Italics handwriting." It's basically almost a cross between
printing and cursive.
Nancy B.
>>In a message dated 5/27/2006 5:24:00 PM Eastern Standard Time,
kimlewismark@... writes:
Yes, we do (in Australia) have a joined-up writing style for cursive and in
schools they haev changed it to a much better form (in the past few years)
that basically just joins the letters in an even more natural way.
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Vijay Owens
This is addressed in Living Joyfully With Children by Win and Bill
Sweet. They posit that it is of the utmost importance to nurture and
protect a child's emotional core, and that a sound emotional core is
what helps them "weather the storms" that life inevitably brings.
They claim that people with damaged emotional cores are less resilient
in the face of adversity. They cite a study that was done on soldiers
in Viet Nam. The people conducting the study split the soldiers into
two groups: those who handled stress well, who functioned well in a
crisis. The other group was made up of soldiers who had breakdowns,
abused drugs, or deserted.
Then they studied the childhoods of each soldier and found a general
pattern. Those who abused drugs and had nervous breakdowns were much
more likely to have suffered abuse and neglect as children. Most of
those who stayed calm in hair-raising situations and did what needed to
be done effectively came from very stable nurturing homes.
The Sweets caution parents not to send kids out into the world too
soon, that it's better to let that separation happen naturally. Also
they stress the importance of not pushing kids too hard, of letting
them "walk" on their own from one stage, from one milestone to another,
without a lot of pressure. They say that "giving childhood back to your
children" is the best way to nurture their emotional core. And I say
what better way to give back their childhood than by unschooling them?
-Vijay
Sweet. They posit that it is of the utmost importance to nurture and
protect a child's emotional core, and that a sound emotional core is
what helps them "weather the storms" that life inevitably brings.
They claim that people with damaged emotional cores are less resilient
in the face of adversity. They cite a study that was done on soldiers
in Viet Nam. The people conducting the study split the soldiers into
two groups: those who handled stress well, who functioned well in a
crisis. The other group was made up of soldiers who had breakdowns,
abused drugs, or deserted.
Then they studied the childhoods of each soldier and found a general
pattern. Those who abused drugs and had nervous breakdowns were much
more likely to have suffered abuse and neglect as children. Most of
those who stayed calm in hair-raising situations and did what needed to
be done effectively came from very stable nurturing homes.
The Sweets caution parents not to send kids out into the world too
soon, that it's better to let that separation happen naturally. Also
they stress the importance of not pushing kids too hard, of letting
them "walk" on their own from one stage, from one milestone to another,
without a lot of pressure. They say that "giving childhood back to your
children" is the best way to nurture their emotional core. And I say
what better way to give back their childhood than by unschooling them?
-Vijay
On May 29, 2006, at 12:49 AM, Sandra Dodd wrote:
> A quote from the article.
>
> the findings also suggest that early positive life events may have a
> protective influence over the effects of subsequent adversity:
>
> If positive life events predate the negative life events then
> individuals may be more resilient in terms of, not being so badly
> affected, psychologically, by the subsequent adverse events.
Sandra Dodd
On May 29, 2006, at 6:57 AM, Vijay Owens wrote:
addictive are more likely to create and maintain a stable, nurturing
home. And they're genetically more likely to produce children who
are like them biochemically and emotionally (might be the same thing,
those two).
What they'll really need to study to show the full effect is children
adopted from known stable and nurturing parents into homes where
parents were abusive and neglectful. The problem is, stable and
nurturing parents' children don't as often get put out for adoption
as the other way around.
But in any case, making a kid cry about cursive writing isn't going
to help. <g>
The specific suggestion that early pressure makes kids gullible is
interesting. School makes kids gullible too, and encourages them to
ignore their parents, in various ways, and to have faith in the
teachers and other kids. Then the teachers and other kids change
frequently, and schools often enforce that too, purposely separating
friends when it comes time to schedule classes.
So kids left adrift that way will identify with the first charismatic
kid who comes along, and voila—odd little destructive projects, drug
experimentation, and gangs. If there's more stability and
longevity in a clique or a gang (small or large) than at home or in
school, kids are actually making the best choice to join a gang.
Weird but true.
People have needs, and the need to belong and feel safe sometimes
isn't met until they get to prison. And the idea that gullibility
would make someone likely to confess to a crime that he didn't really
commit is fine, but it will also get one involved in committing real
crimes, when other say "Oh, it will work! Easy! Just do this/that/
whatever...." How many people fantasize bank robberies and perfect
murders? Some just write novels or screenplays or work on TV shows.
Others decide to try it at home or down the street. It's sad.
So don't try to force your children to learn loopy cursive.
Sandra
>So some of that could be genetic. People who aren't alcoholic/
> Then they studied the childhoods of each soldier and found a general
> pattern. Those who abused drugs and had nervous breakdowns were much
> more likely to have suffered abuse and neglect as children. Most of
> those who stayed calm in hair-raising situations and did what
> needed to
> be done effectively came from very stable nurturing homes.
addictive are more likely to create and maintain a stable, nurturing
home. And they're genetically more likely to produce children who
are like them biochemically and emotionally (might be the same thing,
those two).
What they'll really need to study to show the full effect is children
adopted from known stable and nurturing parents into homes where
parents were abusive and neglectful. The problem is, stable and
nurturing parents' children don't as often get put out for adoption
as the other way around.
But in any case, making a kid cry about cursive writing isn't going
to help. <g>
The specific suggestion that early pressure makes kids gullible is
interesting. School makes kids gullible too, and encourages them to
ignore their parents, in various ways, and to have faith in the
teachers and other kids. Then the teachers and other kids change
frequently, and schools often enforce that too, purposely separating
friends when it comes time to schedule classes.
So kids left adrift that way will identify with the first charismatic
kid who comes along, and voila—odd little destructive projects, drug
experimentation, and gangs. If there's more stability and
longevity in a clique or a gang (small or large) than at home or in
school, kids are actually making the best choice to join a gang.
Weird but true.
People have needs, and the need to belong and feel safe sometimes
isn't met until they get to prison. And the idea that gullibility
would make someone likely to confess to a crime that he didn't really
commit is fine, but it will also get one involved in committing real
crimes, when other say "Oh, it will work! Easy! Just do this/that/
whatever...." How many people fantasize bank robberies and perfect
murders? Some just write novels or screenplays or work on TV shows.
Others decide to try it at home or down the street. It's sad.
So don't try to force your children to learn loopy cursive.
Sandra
Ed Wendell
I have something I need perspective on:
How important is it for a person to be able to read cursive? I was typing a letter to my in-laws just a bit ago and I had the font set to cursive. Zac is 16 and said he could only read a few words as the rest looked like unreadable swirls to him. I see how one could get along in life without being able to write cursive but what about reading it? He says it is not necessary to be able to read cursive because he encounters it so rarely. How often does one encounter cursive anymore? I encounter it and use it often / daily but how about others on here? I'm a school teacher so my worlds get blurred a bit sometimes. Is cursive mostly a schooly thing now?
Lisa W.
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How important is it for a person to be able to read cursive? I was typing a letter to my in-laws just a bit ago and I had the font set to cursive. Zac is 16 and said he could only read a few words as the rest looked like unreadable swirls to him. I see how one could get along in life without being able to write cursive but what about reading it? He says it is not necessary to be able to read cursive because he encounters it so rarely. How often does one encounter cursive anymore? I encounter it and use it often / daily but how about others on here? I'm a school teacher so my worlds get blurred a bit sometimes. Is cursive mostly a schooly thing now?
Lisa W.
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linda h
My son is 10 and has only written a little in cursive. We realized over the holidays when he couldn't read some of the cards from relatives that it might be wise to practice some more (both reading and writing in cursive).
--- In [email protected], "Ed Wendell" <ewendell@...> wrote:
>
> I have something I need perspective on:
>
> How important is it for a person to be able to read cursive? I was typing a letter to my in-laws just a bit ago and I had the font set to cursive. Zac is 16 and said he could only read a few words as the rest looked like unreadable swirls to him. I see how one could get along in life without being able to write cursive but what about reading it? He says it is not necessary to be able to read cursive because he encounters it so rarely. How often does one encounter cursive anymore? I encounter it and use it often / daily but how about others on here? I'm a school teacher so my worlds get blurred a bit sometimes. Is cursive mostly a schooly thing now?
>
> Lisa W.
>
>
>
>
>
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>
Vicki Dennis
I think reading cursive is definitely age related. I doubt the majority of
even recent public school graduates can read cursive with ease. Those who
enjoy decoding will be able to sort it out if they are motivated by things
like perhaps love notes done in cursive. Not at all necessary to read or
write cursive to "get along in life".
I think that for the under 25 crowd reading cursive is perhaps as necessary
as the the over 40 crowd learning the lingo and abbreviations for texting.
Either can sort it out and get by but being at ease and able to comfortably
utilize probably "just ain't gonna happen".
vicki
even recent public school graduates can read cursive with ease. Those who
enjoy decoding will be able to sort it out if they are motivated by things
like perhaps love notes done in cursive. Not at all necessary to read or
write cursive to "get along in life".
I think that for the under 25 crowd reading cursive is perhaps as necessary
as the the over 40 crowd learning the lingo and abbreviations for texting.
Either can sort it out and get by but being at ease and able to comfortably
utilize probably "just ain't gonna happen".
vicki
On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 10:19 PM, Ed Wendell <ewendell@...> wrote:
>
>
> I have something I need perspective on:
>
> How important is it for a person to be able to read cursive? I was typing a
> letter to my in-laws just a bit ago and I had the font set to cursive. Zac
> is 16 and said he could only read a few words as the rest looked like
> unreadable swirls to him. I see how one could get along in life without
> being able to write cursive but what about reading it? He says it is not
> necessary to be able to read cursive because he encounters it so rarely. How
> often does one encounter cursive anymore? I encounter it and use it often /
> daily but how about others on here? I'm a school teacher so my worlds get
> blurred a bit sometimes. Is cursive mostly a schooly thing now?
>
> Lisa W.
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
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Joyce Fetteroll
On Dec 27, 2010, at 11:19 PM, Ed Wendell wrote:
or so letters and (lengthy) notes written on cards. At first she did
ask me to read them to her but now it's only a word or two if the
letters are very deformed.
For kids who are interested it's like an intriguing code. My guess is
it's like when little kids hear speaking. There are words and phrases
they don't understand but they pick up the meaning from the parts they
do understand. So if a kid tries to read cursive they'll be able to
pick up some of it since some letters are similar and they'll build
from there.
For kids who aren't interested, there's more to be lost than gained by
making them. At least for now there are people they can ask ;-) But
there just isn't that much need to read it.
Joyce
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> How important is it for a person to be able to read cursive?About the only cursive Kathryn has seen in 19 years is maybe a dozen
or so letters and (lengthy) notes written on cards. At first she did
ask me to read them to her but now it's only a word or two if the
letters are very deformed.
For kids who are interested it's like an intriguing code. My guess is
it's like when little kids hear speaking. There are words and phrases
they don't understand but they pick up the meaning from the parts they
do understand. So if a kid tries to read cursive they'll be able to
pick up some of it since some letters are similar and they'll build
from there.
For kids who aren't interested, there's more to be lost than gained by
making them. At least for now there are people they can ask ;-) But
there just isn't that much need to read it.
Joyce
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