Re: [AlwaysLearning] reading holt...or not
Ann
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Well, I know I'm really going to sound weird, but I haven't read ANY parenting books. I love to read, I read a lot and own a lot of books. I think this whole issue really has more to do with WHY a person reads than it has to do with one's committment to unschooling or to a philosophy of a given list. I was directed to the list by a friend on another list.:0)
I love my RU lifestlye. We have been uschoolers for about 6 years and I just want to assure those of you who may not want to read parenting books that you can joyfully, radically unschool without ever having read a single book about it. The lists were enough for me. I think it's great the books are there for those who like to read that sort of thing. As for me, I like to read when I know I'm talking to real live people, the lists are interactive and that makes a big difference to me. I like to read fun stuff like mysteries, romances, fantasy fiction. When I think of a parenting book, my eyes kind of glaze over. I guess I could no more make myself read something, than I would make my kid read something. I live in this country and I vote, but i've never read the whole constituion either. You don't have to to be a citizen. John Holt was probably brilliant, but I'm on this list because I think the moms are cool and fun to 'chat' with.
Ann
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Well, I know I'm really going to sound weird, but I haven't read ANY parenting books. I love to read, I read a lot and own a lot of books. I think this whole issue really has more to do with WHY a person reads than it has to do with one's committment to unschooling or to a philosophy of a given list. I was directed to the list by a friend on another list.:0)
I love my RU lifestlye. We have been uschoolers for about 6 years and I just want to assure those of you who may not want to read parenting books that you can joyfully, radically unschool without ever having read a single book about it. The lists were enough for me. I think it's great the books are there for those who like to read that sort of thing. As for me, I like to read when I know I'm talking to real live people, the lists are interactive and that makes a big difference to me. I like to read fun stuff like mysteries, romances, fantasy fiction. When I think of a parenting book, my eyes kind of glaze over. I guess I could no more make myself read something, than I would make my kid read something. I live in this country and I vote, but i've never read the whole constituion either. You don't have to to be a citizen. John Holt was probably brilliant, but I'm on this list because I think the moms are cool and fun to 'chat' with.
Ann
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Sandra Dodd
On Mar 2, 2006, at 7:21 AM, Ann wrote:
Different people learn different ways, and have different talents.
Yesterday Holly and I were watching Rent with the commentary track
on. In the subway scene, where they're singing "Santa Fe," the
comments were (and I don't know the voices apart so I don't know who
was saying what, but I think the director was asking a couple of the
actors, so it's one of their responses). I'll transcribe the part
this all reminded me of. It's about Jesse Martin, who plays Collins.
Jesse is a true artistic Renaissance man.
Has he studied dance?
I can honestly say... He doesn't have to study anything. The guy..
I have never met a more talented person in my whole life. He's
incredible. Anything he wants to do, not only does he do it, but he
does it like better than anyone you've ever seen. He's just... he's
unbelievable.
He's a really good sketch artist, too.
Not just a sketch artist. I'm sure most of the people watching this
movie have used an Etch a Sketch and can barely draw a straight line
on an Etch-a-Sketch. Jesse can do portraits of people, dead on, on
an Etch-a-Sketch. I mean that's like genius.
-----------------------------
While they were saying all that, he was dancing and twirling on poles
and flipping from handrails and singing and smiling and acting.
There are people who have studied dance for years and will never show
that exuberance.
Reading parenting books can help a lot, when people are stuck. When
people aren't stuck, when their relationship with their children is
smooth and peaceful and lively, would the books help? And when
someone isn't into working on the real relationship but thinks books
might magically keep them from really needing to DO IT, will reading
three books help them? Ten books?
I'm that way with books on organization. I read them like fantasy
books. OOh that would be SO COOL! But I'm not putting all that
effort into physically reorganizing my stuff or throwing things out
by the truckload. I don't want to do that. I'm living with my
clutter. But the books are good fantasy reading. I think some
people (though it's sad to say) read lots of parenting books, lots of
unschooling sites and lists, but they don't change their attitudes or
their actions, really. They might imagine what it would be like, but
they can't or don't make it happen.
Someone left another list in a big snit the other day, cursing me and
my family on the way out (kind of amusing, honestly) assuring me that
if she wanted to read more about unschooling, she would buy a book.
She didn't want to read webpages, she wanted to read the list.
ALL of it is reading. <g>
(And if you think art on an Etch-a-Sketch is no big deal, maybe look
here:
http://www.lkwdpl.org/lfiles/vlosich/beatles.jpg
http://www.lkwdpl.org/lfiles/vlosich/gallery.html)
Sandra
> I live in this country and I vote, but i've never read the wholeI've read it all (and passed a test) and I don't vote!
> constitution either.
Different people learn different ways, and have different talents.
Yesterday Holly and I were watching Rent with the commentary track
on. In the subway scene, where they're singing "Santa Fe," the
comments were (and I don't know the voices apart so I don't know who
was saying what, but I think the director was asking a couple of the
actors, so it's one of their responses). I'll transcribe the part
this all reminded me of. It's about Jesse Martin, who plays Collins.
Jesse is a true artistic Renaissance man.
Has he studied dance?
I can honestly say... He doesn't have to study anything. The guy..
I have never met a more talented person in my whole life. He's
incredible. Anything he wants to do, not only does he do it, but he
does it like better than anyone you've ever seen. He's just... he's
unbelievable.
He's a really good sketch artist, too.
Not just a sketch artist. I'm sure most of the people watching this
movie have used an Etch a Sketch and can barely draw a straight line
on an Etch-a-Sketch. Jesse can do portraits of people, dead on, on
an Etch-a-Sketch. I mean that's like genius.
-----------------------------
While they were saying all that, he was dancing and twirling on poles
and flipping from handrails and singing and smiling and acting.
There are people who have studied dance for years and will never show
that exuberance.
Reading parenting books can help a lot, when people are stuck. When
people aren't stuck, when their relationship with their children is
smooth and peaceful and lively, would the books help? And when
someone isn't into working on the real relationship but thinks books
might magically keep them from really needing to DO IT, will reading
three books help them? Ten books?
I'm that way with books on organization. I read them like fantasy
books. OOh that would be SO COOL! But I'm not putting all that
effort into physically reorganizing my stuff or throwing things out
by the truckload. I don't want to do that. I'm living with my
clutter. But the books are good fantasy reading. I think some
people (though it's sad to say) read lots of parenting books, lots of
unschooling sites and lists, but they don't change their attitudes or
their actions, really. They might imagine what it would be like, but
they can't or don't make it happen.
Someone left another list in a big snit the other day, cursing me and
my family on the way out (kind of amusing, honestly) assuring me that
if she wanted to read more about unschooling, she would buy a book.
She didn't want to read webpages, she wanted to read the list.
ALL of it is reading. <g>
(And if you think art on an Etch-a-Sketch is no big deal, maybe look
here:
http://www.lkwdpl.org/lfiles/vlosich/beatles.jpg
http://www.lkwdpl.org/lfiles/vlosich/gallery.html)
Sandra