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"Pundit curses, walks off of show" was an AOL headline this morning. One of
the CNN commentators got cranky at someone and said "that's bullshit."

"That's bullshit" is not a curse.
I wish people who dealt in language, who were reporting that other people had
taken real action based on language (the commentator was suspended) would
CARE about language.

A curse is when you speak a wish of harm or condemnation on a person. "Go
to hell" is a curse. "F*** you" is probably a curse (if we followed it back
to when it might've been a complete sentence, or if it's a modernized version
of "damn you," which is for sure a curse and is "May God damn you to hell for
this," shortened down.

I wish everyone who's concerned with "bad words" would have to pass a test on
what "curse" means and which words are old and what phrases stand for but
language isn't like that. It's free to be misused by just anyone without a
license or certification. <bwg>

Sandra


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[email protected]

In a message dated 8/5/2005 9:38:34 AM Central Standard Time,
SandraDodd@... writes:

It's free to be misused by just anyone without a
license or certification. <bwg>



~~~

And misuse leads to new and varying definitions of common words. And that's
how the word "curse" came to also describe some words as taboo or
inappropriate, even though they don't carry the intent of damning someone to hell.

Karen

www.badchair.net


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[email protected]

In a message dated 8/5/05 9:27:10 AM, tuckervill2@... writes:


> And misuse leads to new and varying definitions of common  words.  And
> that's
> how the word "curse" came to also describe some  words as taboo or
> inappropriate, even though they don't carry the intent of  damning someone
> to hell.
>
>

Yeah, yeah.
Damn evolution to hell.


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[email protected]

-----Original Message-----
From: SandraDodd@...


"Pundit curses, walks off of show" was an AOL headline this morning.
One of
the CNN commentators got cranky at someone and said "that's bullshit."

"That's bullshit" is not a curse.
I wish people who dealt in language, who were reporting that other
people had
taken real action based on language (the commentator was suspended)
would
CARE about language.

A curse is when you speak a wish of harm or condemnation on a person.
"Go
to hell" is a curse. "F*** you" is probably a curse (if we followed
it back
to when it might've been a complete sentence, or if it's a modernized
version
of "damn you," which is for sure a curse and is "May God damn you to
hell for
this," shortened down.

I wish everyone who's concerned with "bad words" would have to pass a
test on
what "curse" means and which words are old and what phrases stand for
but
language isn't like that. It's free to be misused by just anyone
without a
license or certification. <bwg>

-=-=-=-

I saw that this morning too. Went to read it to see what the "curse
word" was and cracked up!

I was banned from posting AND READING a local homeschool association
list (I'm still a member, but can't read the e-list! <bwg>) because I
called "bullshit" on something someone posted (I think it was about
H$LDA) .

Many (I guess) members wrote to complain of my cussing on-list. <G>

I think I can live without that list! <g>

~Kelly

arcarpenter2003

--- In [email protected], kbcdlovejo@a... wrote:
==
> H$LDA) .==

H$LDA.

Yep, I just typed it. There's no way that dollar sign got in there by
mistake.

Most amusing.

Peace,
Amy

[email protected]

In a message dated 8/5/05 1:04:44 PM, kbcdlovejo@... writes:


> saw that this morning too. Went to read it to see what the "curse
> word" was and cracked up!
>

Yeah, I wanted to hear that he had truly wished hellfire or warts on a
Republican bullshitter. To simply state that he was a bullshitter was SUCH a
letdown.

-=-I was banned from posting AND READING a local homeschool association
list (I'm still a member, but can't read the e-list! <bwg>) because I
called "bullshit" on something someone posted (I think it was about
H$LDA) .-=-

Well screw 'em all to an uncomfortable wall then.

I've heard some very good-natured use of "bad words" and some very truly
painful-death-wishing statements from people who would wash their own mouths out
with soap before they would say "poo." So ass backwards.

Sandra


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arcarpenter2003

--- In [email protected], SandraDodd@a... wrote:
==
> "That's bullshit" is not a curse.==

Technically, it's not "swearing" or an "oath" either.

People swore an oath to promise that they were going to do something.

"By the blood of the cross, I will ride my steed to the Holy Land and
retrieve the Holy Grail."

Little stuff like that.

And that turned into the British "swear" word, "bloody."

I was fascinated when I put that all together while reading a bunch of
English literature -- y'know, for a degree. <G>

So what is it, technically and historically, the words we use now,
like bullshit and just plain sh**?

Run of the mill vulgarity, maybe?

Peace,
Amy

[email protected]

In a message dated 8/5/05 1:26:19 PM, arcarpenter@... writes:


> So what is it, technically and historically, the words we use now,
> like bullshit and just plain sh**?
>

Expletives?
I looked it up on the little dictionary my computer has (which sometimes is
lame and seems to think all possums are in Australia), and it says oaths or
swear words. DOH! But literally it just means a word stuck in, like when you
want to say something and you just want a word to say, like DOH! or SHIT!

What was the grammatical term for a sentence that was just nothing but an
expression of surprise or noise?

OH YEAH!!!
Exclamation.

I guess they are vulgar exclamations.

But the commentator in question didn't use it in that way. He used it
properly in a sentence, as a noun. <g>

Sandra


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[email protected]

-----Original Message-----
From: SandraDodd@...

But the commentator in question didn't use it in that way. He used it
properly in a sentence, as a noun. <g>

-=-=-

I used it as a noun too. <g>

~Kelly

Nancy Wooton

On Aug 5, 2005, at 12:37 PM, SandraDodd@... wrote:

>
> In a message dated 8/5/05 1:26:19 PM, arcarpenter@... writes:
>
>
>> So what is it, technically and historically, the words we use now,
>> like bullshit and just plain sh**?
>>
>
> Expletives?
> I looked it up on the little dictionary my computer has (which
> sometimes is
> lame and seems to think all possums are in Australia), and it says
> oaths or
> swear words. DOH! But literally it just means a word stuck in,
> like when you
> want to say something and you just want a word to say, like DOH! or
> SHIT!
>
> What was the grammatical term for a sentence that was just nothing but
> an
> expression of surprise or noise?
>
> OH YEAH!!!
> Exclamation.
>
> I guess they are vulgar exclamations.
>
> But the commentator in question didn't use it in that way. He used it
> properly in a sentence, as a noun. <g>
>

Invective, maybe? But what the hell do I know? <g>

Nancy

[email protected]

In a message dated 8/5/05 1:53:44 PM, kbcdlovejo@... writes:


> I used it as a noun too. <g>
>

Well, come to think of it, even if it's used as an "ejaculatory phrase"
(ahem) it's still a noun, and it's still part of an implied sentence which I
suppose would be either "That is bullshit" or "You are full of bullshit."

And If someone just says "Oh hell" it's a noun short for "Oh, damn it to
hell."

But when the bad guy in a melodrama says "Curses; foiled again," that's not
really a curse. It's like *&#(@*#$!!!

Sandra


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arcarpenter2003

--- In [email protected], SandraDodd@a... wrote:

==I guess they are vulgar exclamations. ==

Sing it with me:

(From Schoolhouse Rock)

Interjections (Hey!) show excitement (Yow!) or emotion (Ouch!).
They're generally set apart from a sentence by an exclamation point,
Or by a comma when the feeling's not as strong.

==> But the commentator in question didn't use it in that way. He
used it
> properly in a sentence, as a noun. <g>==

Hey mister, is that *your* predicate nominative?

Yeow.

Peace,
Amy

[email protected]

Invective
ejaculatory phrase
exclamation

(just collecting the whole set here... pretending I'm writing a thesaurus or
something <G>)


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[email protected]

In a message dated 8/5/05 3:47:14 PM, arcarpenter@... writes:


> Interjections
>

THANKS!!!

It just didn't have as good a tune or rhyme as Conjunction Junction.

They would've had to've rhymed it with "infection" or "transgression" or
"intersection" or something.

Sandra



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Julie W

SandraDodd@... wrote:

>
>A curse is when you speak a wish of harm or condemnation on a person. "Go
>to hell" is a curse. "F*** you" is probably a curse (if we followed it back
>to when it might've been a complete sentence, or if it's a modernized version
>of "damn you," which is for sure a curse and is "May God damn you to hell for
>this," shortened down.
>
>
When I heard the blurb on NPR I assumed that Novak had told Carville to
"F*** off" or something to that effect for there to be such a big stink.
Gosh "bullshit" hardly even counts to me.
I do wish I had been watching CNN to see Novak blow a gasket like that......
~sigh~

Julie W in AR

Julie W

SandraDodd@... wrote:

>
> "ejaculatory phrase"
>(ahem)
>
God, how I love that word combination.

Julie (the vulgar) in AR

Betsy Hill

** Invective
ejaculatory phrase
exclamation**

Remember in the Watergate scandal? There was a lot of talk about the
"expletives" that had been "deleted" from the transcripts.

Betsy

arcarpenter2003

--- In [email protected], Julie W <jjjwoolfolk@s...> wrote:

> > "ejaculatory phrase"
> >(ahem)
> >
> God, how I love that word combination.==

Then I'd really hate to see what would happen if we worked the name
"Snape" in there somehow.

<BEG>

Peace (whether or not you are deserving, my sick friend),
Amy (who is now cleaning up the diet Pepsi she sprayed all over he
keyboard, thank you very much)

Julie W

arcarpenter2003 wrote:

>--- In [email protected], Julie W <jjjwoolfolk@s...> wrote:
>
>
>
>>>"ejaculatory phrase"
>>>(ahem)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>God, how I love that word combination.==
>>
>>
>
>Then I'd really hate to see what would happen if we worked the name
>"Snape" in there somehow.
>
><BEG>
>
>Peace (whether or not you are deserving, my sick friend),
>Amy (who is now cleaning up the diet Pepsi she sprayed all over he
>keyboard, thank you very much)
>
>
>
~SNORT~

What, WHAT! Do you people think I have a ......Snape obsession.
Is that it?
Geez, what is this world coming too?

I am also glad I did not have any liquid in my mouth or it would have
been spewed all over my machine.
Too funny.

Julie (Hi, my name is Julie and I have a Snape obsession) W in AR


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[email protected]

In a message dated 8/5/2005 4:47:11 PM Central Standard Time,
arcarpenter@... writes:

Sing it with me:

(From Schoolhouse Rock)

Interjections (Hey!) show excitement (Yow!) or emotion (Ouch!).



~~~

Or you can sing the Paul & Storm version (_www.paulandstorm.com_
(http://www.paulandstorm.com) )

Algernon was hangin’ pictures over his bed
The hammer missed the nail and hit his finger instead
The swellin’ started growin’ and the blood began a-flowin’
While Algernon let go with some epithets!

"Ow! You stupid [bleep]holv[bleep] shingle! [bleep]! That [bleep] hurts!!"

Bobby was the pitcher on his Little League team
His father would project on him his own broken dreams
He’d guzzle down the booze ‘n then when Bobby’s team was losin’
Daddy started to abuse him with epithets!

"Come on Bobby, get your [bleep] together! And coach [bleep] she couldn’t
coach a [bleep] out of your own [bleep]! Now you keep it down [bleep]! Maybe
you want to [bleep] bombs!"

An epithet’s a word or phrase that people can use
When ordinary words and phrases simply won’t do
To express frustration, pain, impatience, anger, or scorn
To the [bleep]s and the [bleep]s in your way

The mayor loved the women and he loved cocaine
He got himself a hooker to keep him entertained
But after he discovered she was workin’ undercover
Then his honor started utterin’ epithets!

"[bleep] damn [bleep] ship me up! [bleep] bull[bleep]! This is
m[bleep]gi[bleep]sma [bleep] [bleep]! [bleep] [bleep]hi[bleep]ter!"

Epithets ([bleep])
Show emotion ([bleep]), impatience ([bleep]),
Frustration ([bleep]), and in anger ([bleep])
Amen!

"Aw, [bleep]! It’s over."





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[email protected]

In a message dated 8/5/2005 6:10:23 PM Central Standard Time,
jjjwoolfolk@... writes:

When I heard the blurb on NPR I assumed that Novak had told Carville to
"F*** off" or something to that effect for there to be such a big stink


~~~

I think it was more like he walked off the set than he said a bad word. I
mean, Jon Stewart called whatshisname a dick. It made the news but he didn't
storm off like Novak did.

It's about time someone stormed off one of those screamfest shows.

Karen


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Julie W

tuckervill2@... wrote:

>
>In a message dated 8/5/2005 4:47:11 PM Central Standard Time,
>arcarpenter@... writes:
>
>Sing it with me:
>
>(From Schoolhouse Rock)
>
>Interjections (Hey!) show excitement (Yow!) or emotion (Ouch!).
>
>
>
>~~~
>
>Or you can sing the Paul & Storm version (_www.paulandstorm.com_
>(http://www.paulandstorm.com) )
>
>
>
Too funny...
"/Professional singing persons."/


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Pam Sorooshian

On Aug 5, 2005, at 12:37 PM, SandraDodd@... wrote:

> I looked it up on the little dictionary my computer has (which
> sometimes is
> lame and seems to think all possums are in Australia),

I think I have the same little dictionary (a widget under the new Mac
operating system) - did you notice that they consider that "possums"
are Australian but "opossums" are American?

-pam

[email protected]

-----Original Message-----
From: tuckervill2@...

I think it was more like he walked off the set than he said a bad
word. I
mean, Jon Stewart called whatshisname a dick. It made the news but he
didn't
storm off like Novak did.

It's about time someone stormed off one of those screamfest shows.

-=-=-=-

The article seemed to suggest that he had found an easy "out" to the
upcoming question about his part in the CIA/Plame leak.

What was being discussed was trivial in comparison to what often takes
place. He may have been just looking for an escape, saw an exit, and
scooted. He might have thought it would save face in the long run.

~Kelly

[email protected]

In a message dated 8/6/2005 9:48:27 AM Central Standard Time,
kbcdlovejo@... writes:

The article seemed to suggest that he had found an easy "out" to the
upcoming question about his part in the CIA/Plame leak.




~~~

I watched the video a couple of times, and James Carville was cracking jokes
after the question was asked and saying all kinds of bs that was hard to
understand. I think *that's* what pissed him off. I understand that, because
Carville is really annoying sometimes, and he doesn't stop talking and his
voice is funky. I don't think it was the question, exactly, but I didn't read
Novak's statement afterwards.

But that's off-topic so I'll let it go.

Karen


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Gold Standard

>>(Hi, my name is Julie and I have a Snape obsession)<<

HI JULIE.

[email protected]

In a message dated 8/5/05 9:25:29 PM, tuckervill2@... writes:


>
> "Aw, [bleep]! It’s over."
>

That's a good one. Never heard it.
Maybe you could sing it for us at the conference in October. <g>

Sandra


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Sharon

Hi Julie,
I *love* that Snape is included in a discussion about curses. There's
a guy who really knows his curses!
I'm Sharon, mom to three daughters 20, 19, and 13. Unschooling since
the beginning. I'm happy to meet you all and am especially interested
in knowing if any of you are in the Seattle area.

Sharon

--- In [email protected], "Gold Standard" <jacki@b...>
wrote:
>
>
> >>(Hi, my name is Julie and I have a Snape obsession)<<
>
> HI JULIE.

D-H Family

Sharon,
I have always been an unschooling mom to my son, 17, and daughter, 7. I live near Woodinville. Where are you?
Molly
----- Original Message -----
From: Sharon
To: [email protected]
Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 10:02 AM
Subject: [AlwaysLearning] Re: "curses"


Hi Julie,
I *love* that Snape is included in a discussion about curses. There's
a guy who really knows his curses!
I'm Sharon, mom to three daughters 20, 19, and 13. Unschooling since
the beginning. I'm happy to meet you all and am especially interested
in knowing if any of you are in the Seattle area.

Sharon

--- In [email protected], "Gold Standard" <jacki@b...>
wrote:
>
>
> >>(Hi, my name is Julie and I have a Snape obsession)<<
>
> HI JULIE.






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Sharon

Hi Molly,
We are in Bellevue. One of the things I like most about the internet is making connections with people from all over the world but I asked about the Seattle area because some friends here are thinking about starting a co-op and wanted to tell others about it.
Sharon

D-H Family <dh.family@...> wrote:
Sharon,
I have always been an unschooling mom to my son, 17, and daughter, 7. I live near Woodinville. Where are you?
Molly
----- Original Message -----
From: Sharon
To: [email protected]
Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 10:02 AM
Subject: [AlwaysLearning] Re: "curses"


Hi Julie,
I *love* that Snape is included in a discussion about curses. There's
a guy who really knows his curses!
I'm Sharon, mom to three daughters 20, 19, and 13. Unschooling since
the beginning. I'm happy to meet you all and am especially interested
in knowing if any of you are in the Seattle area.

Sharon

--- In [email protected], "Gold Standard"
wrote:
>
>
> >>(Hi, my name is Julie and I have a Snape obsession)<<
>
> HI JULIE.






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