literary categorization (was something else)
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Literarily speaking, what's the difference?
<< This year the Library's program ties in with Harry
Potter and since we don't do that type of material, we backed out. >>
<<an armful of Dr. Seuss books . . . ALL home to read. . .pushed herself day
and night to
read them all. . . >>
What's the difference between Harry Potter books and Dr. Seuss books?
Both are fantasy. The better Dr. Seuss books deal with morality and
interpersonal relationships.
Sandra
<< This year the Library's program ties in with Harry
Potter and since we don't do that type of material, we backed out. >>
<<an armful of Dr. Seuss books . . . ALL home to read. . .pushed herself day
and night to
read them all. . . >>
What's the difference between Harry Potter books and Dr. Seuss books?
Both are fantasy. The better Dr. Seuss books deal with morality and
interpersonal relationships.
Sandra
shanan_school
>We just don't like the context of witches and sorcery and all . . .
> What's the difference between Harry Potter books and Dr. Seuss books?
> Both are fantasy. The better Dr. Seuss books deal with morality and
> interpersonal relationships.
>
not putting down anyone who doesn't care, just our preference.
Julie
[email protected]
In a message dated 6/14/2005 9:03:34 AM Mountain Daylight Time,
shananschool@... writes:
We just don't like the context of witches and sorcery and all . . .
not putting down anyone who doesn't care, just our preference.
That would've been my guess.
As unschooling continues to unfold, please consider the potential problems
of "we" when written by the mom about the set of mom-and-children. How did
"we" (your we) decide what you (as a collective group) liked? If you-the-mom
made the unilateral decision, it will probably help your writing and your
children's development if you say "I" when you mean "I."
It will be somewhere between hard and impossible for your children to know
what their interests and preferences are if they feel part of a borg-like "we,"
when it comes to what's liked.
Sandra
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shananschool@... writes:
We just don't like the context of witches and sorcery and all . . .
not putting down anyone who doesn't care, just our preference.
That would've been my guess.
As unschooling continues to unfold, please consider the potential problems
of "we" when written by the mom about the set of mom-and-children. How did
"we" (your we) decide what you (as a collective group) liked? If you-the-mom
made the unilateral decision, it will probably help your writing and your
children's development if you say "I" when you mean "I."
It will be somewhere between hard and impossible for your children to know
what their interests and preferences are if they feel part of a borg-like "we,"
when it comes to what's liked.
Sandra
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J. Stauffer
<<<We just don't like the context of witches and sorcery and all . . .
not putting down anyone who doesn't care, just our preference.>>>
Do you rule out Shakespeare as well?
Julie S.---the witch
not putting down anyone who doesn't care, just our preference.>>>
Do you rule out Shakespeare as well?
Julie S.---the witch
----- Original Message -----
From: "shanan_school" <shananschool@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 7:16 PM
Subject: [AlwaysLearning] Re: literary categorization (was something else)
>
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>> What's the difference between Harry Potter books and Dr. Seuss books?
>> Both are fantasy. The better Dr. Seuss books deal with morality and
>> interpersonal relationships.
>>
>
> We just don't like the context of witches and sorcery and all . . .
> not putting down anyone who doesn't care, just our preference.
>
> Julie
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> Yahoo! Groups Links
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Dana Matt
> <<<We just don't like the context of witches andWow....maybe I should censor my kids' reading to make
> sorcery and all . . .
> not putting down anyone who doesn't care, just our
> preference.>>>
>
> Do you rule out Shakespeare as well?
>
> Julie S.---the witch
sure they aren't exposed to Christianity....
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> It will be somewhere between hard and impossible for your childrenLOL Borg-like is good. I usually refer to that as the "royal" we, as
>to know what their interests and preferences are if they feel part
>of a borg-like "we," when it comes to what's liked.
>
> Sandra
the person obviously really just means themselves. But Borg-like is
better, because they generally want others to think the "we"
means "we/all of us/our family unit" in which case they are talking
about the decisions they are making for others, not just using a
plural to refer to themselves, making them the Queen of the hive mind
I guess.
Nanci K.
Nanci K.
> Do you rule out Shakespeare as well?I was wondering myself which part of human experience was considered
>
> Julie S.---the witch
appropriate. Are fairy tales only ok if the witch is evil and gets
burned up or some such, as in Hansel and Gretel, or are all fairy
tales not acceptable? Joan of Arc was burned as a witch, how about
her story? The wizard of Oz has a Good Witch of the North in it, is
that off limits too?
Nanci K.
also a witch
[email protected]
In a message dated 6/14/2005 4:13:52 PM Mountain Daylight Time,
jnjstau@... writes:
Do you rule out Shakespeare as well?
But someone can read Shakespeare without reading MacBeth,
and someone can read Chaucer without reading The Miller's Tale.
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jnjstau@... writes:
Do you rule out Shakespeare as well?
But someone can read Shakespeare without reading MacBeth,
and someone can read Chaucer without reading The Miller's Tale.
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[email protected]
In a message dated 6/14/2005 4:50:06 PM Mountain Daylight Time,
hoffmanwilson@... writes:
Wow....maybe I should censor my kids' reading to make
sure they aren't exposed to Christianity....
Rule out Henry V (one of my favorites Shakespeare plays).
Don't even think about watching Ben Hur.
If one's faith is strong and good and useful and true, it shouldn't be
endangered by any book or movie or song or art.
Sandra
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hoffmanwilson@... writes:
Wow....maybe I should censor my kids' reading to make
sure they aren't exposed to Christianity....
Rule out Henry V (one of my favorites Shakespeare plays).
Don't even think about watching Ben Hur.
If one's faith is strong and good and useful and true, it shouldn't be
endangered by any book or movie or song or art.
Sandra
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[email protected]
In a message dated 6/14/2005 5:02:31 PM Mountain Daylight Time,
aisliin@... writes:
The wizard of Oz has a Good Witch of the North in it, is
that off limits too?
But Dorothy's aunt is a good Christian woman (says so herself, in the movie
anyway), and the wizard is obviously Christian too. (He lived in Kansas; he
didn't seem Jewish; no other choices in those days. <g>) The scarecrow?
Humanist, probably (philosophically), but I don't know. The Lion? French?
(JUST JOKING. But if French, Catholic, probably.) The tinman... ho mo
SEXShuel, therefor not Christian.
Toto? No soul.
All those based on 1939 (38?) movie version, and all TRUE (within my
literary and artistic interpretation of the moment, strained through the sieve of my
knowledge of history, geography, and theology), guaranteed to make some
laugh, and to irritate all. Step right up! See the most Irritating Post of the
Week.
(Darn. Hard week. Much competition.)
Sandra, who needs to get the oil can to that trapdoor's hinges...
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
aisliin@... writes:
The wizard of Oz has a Good Witch of the North in it, is
that off limits too?
But Dorothy's aunt is a good Christian woman (says so herself, in the movie
anyway), and the wizard is obviously Christian too. (He lived in Kansas; he
didn't seem Jewish; no other choices in those days. <g>) The scarecrow?
Humanist, probably (philosophically), but I don't know. The Lion? French?
(JUST JOKING. But if French, Catholic, probably.) The tinman... ho mo
SEXShuel, therefor not Christian.
Toto? No soul.
All those based on 1939 (38?) movie version, and all TRUE (within my
literary and artistic interpretation of the moment, strained through the sieve of my
knowledge of history, geography, and theology), guaranteed to make some
laugh, and to irritate all. Step right up! See the most Irritating Post of the
Week.
(Darn. Hard week. Much competition.)
Sandra, who needs to get the oil can to that trapdoor's hinges...
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Nanci K.
> But someone can read Shakespeare without reading MacBeth,True, but the stygian witches came from Greek mythology. I wonder if
> and someone can read Chaucer without reading The Miller's Tale.
mythology in general is off limits. Mythology really just means
historical religious/cultural beliefs that are not your own.
What about animated Disney movies, which are rife with good and evil
magic doers, magical creatures, fantasy and mythological stories?
Dr. Seuss has been known to include quite a few magical folks and
creatures in his books as well, (the Lorax, the Whos, Horton's
elephant bird, and so on) but those seem to be acceptable, or at least
his books as a class.
Censorship just seems like a lot of work to me. What method is used
to determine fitness of materials? Do you have to read/view
everything before you pass judgement, or rely on others to screen it
for you?
Nanci K.
Julie W
>No Narnia either?
>We just don't like the context of witches and sorcery and all . . .
>not putting down anyone who doesn't care, just our preference.
>
>
I s this the children's choice or are they so young that at the moment
witches and such would scare them.
HP is getting more intense as the years go on.
--
Julie W
http://jwoolfolk.typepad.com/theothermother/
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Cris Kenski
<<<If one's faith is strong and good and useful and true, it shouldn't be
endangered by any book or movie or song or art.
Sandra>>>
EXACTLY!
My son, dh and I are very excited the next book is coming out soon. We took
turns reading the last book out loud, dh did a very cool Hagrid voice, my
son laughed at my Umbridge voice.
I am preparing myself for the wave of anti- Harry emails from my sister and
her husband (they have never read the books but they were told the books
were evil) the last time it was a bunch of links, the time before that was
"you are going to hell, if you read that book".
Well, off to watch ds play LoTR Battle for Middle Earth (he still likes that
game, finds new ways/strategies to move the troops) so cool!
Cris Kenski
endangered by any book or movie or song or art.
Sandra>>>
EXACTLY!
My son, dh and I are very excited the next book is coming out soon. We took
turns reading the last book out loud, dh did a very cool Hagrid voice, my
son laughed at my Umbridge voice.
I am preparing myself for the wave of anti- Harry emails from my sister and
her husband (they have never read the books but they were told the books
were evil) the last time it was a bunch of links, the time before that was
"you are going to hell, if you read that book".
Well, off to watch ds play LoTR Battle for Middle Earth (he still likes that
game, finds new ways/strategies to move the troops) so cool!
Cris Kenski
Nanci K.
> My son, dh and I are very excited the next book is coming out soon.Here is a cool thing that our library is doing, unlike the Summer
> Cris Kenski
Reading thing. Harry Potter Pajama party. From 9pm to 1am on a
Friday night they will be screening Prisoner of Azkaban and then
reading aloud chapter 1 of Half Blood Prince. My only worry is that
it will be too crowded for my kids, which is likely, but we can always
go and then leave if it is too crowded. We have Azkaban at home and
we could order the book and do our own pajama party if it doesn't work
out.
Nanci K.
ecsamhill
**I am preparing myself for the wave of anti- Harry emails from my
sister and
her husband (they have never read the books but they were told the books
were evil) the last time it was a bunch of links, the time before that was
"you are going to hell, if you read that book". **
My whole family loves Harry P., so this makes me frustrated. I
encourage you to tell your sister, as succinctly as possible, that the
*bad guys* in this series are Satanic. Harry risks his life to defend
his friends and the world from the Satanic bad guys. How this makes
Harry dangerously evil is hard to figure. (Although, like Laura
Ingalls Wilder, Harry does sometimes commit the sin of disobedience.)
(Let me say that I'm skeptical that an interesting book can be
written about a completely obedient person. <g>)
Except for the serious parts, these books are quite fluffy and
pleasant works of *fiction*. I don't believe in wands, spells,
unicorns, gnomes, polyjuice or pumpkin juice. (I'd still kind of like
to believe in dragons. I do believe in owls, but I find email more
convenient.)
J. K. Rowling attends the Church of Scotland, a pretty starchy branch
of the Protestant church.
Betsy (taking off her I love Harry hat and stepping down from the
soapbox)
sister and
her husband (they have never read the books but they were told the books
were evil) the last time it was a bunch of links, the time before that was
"you are going to hell, if you read that book". **
My whole family loves Harry P., so this makes me frustrated. I
encourage you to tell your sister, as succinctly as possible, that the
*bad guys* in this series are Satanic. Harry risks his life to defend
his friends and the world from the Satanic bad guys. How this makes
Harry dangerously evil is hard to figure. (Although, like Laura
Ingalls Wilder, Harry does sometimes commit the sin of disobedience.)
(Let me say that I'm skeptical that an interesting book can be
written about a completely obedient person. <g>)
Except for the serious parts, these books are quite fluffy and
pleasant works of *fiction*. I don't believe in wands, spells,
unicorns, gnomes, polyjuice or pumpkin juice. (I'd still kind of like
to believe in dragons. I do believe in owls, but I find email more
convenient.)
J. K. Rowling attends the Church of Scotland, a pretty starchy branch
of the Protestant church.
Betsy (taking off her I love Harry hat and stepping down from the
soapbox)
Julie W
ecsamhill wrote:
I'm in the middle of rereading the books in anticipation of July
17th---so close but so far.
If only Howl's Moving Castle was opening near me---that would do me (and
Josh) a world of good.
On a more interesting and, for me, scary note, I will be hosting (and/or
facilitating) a Harry Potter Show and Tell Social Funshop (which really
means I'm not sure what to call it) at the Live and Learn Conference.
Good Times
--
Julie W
http://jwoolfolk.typepad.com/theothermother/
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>**I am preparing myself for the wave of anti- Harry emails from myI do wish /accio remote/ or /accio cordless phone/ would work for me.
>sister and
>her husband (they have never read the books but they were told the books
>were evil) the last time it was a bunch of links, the time before that was
>"you are going to hell, if you read that book". **
>
>My whole family loves Harry P., so this makes me frustrated. I
>encourage you to tell your sister, as succinctly as possible, that the
>*bad guys* in this series are Satanic. Harry risks his life to defend
>his friends and the world from the Satanic bad guys. How this makes
>Harry dangerously evil is hard to figure. (Although, like Laura
>Ingalls Wilder, Harry does sometimes commit the sin of disobedience.)
> (Let me say that I'm skeptical that an interesting book can be
>written about a completely obedient person. <g>)
>
>Except for the serious parts, these books are quite fluffy and
>pleasant works of *fiction*. I don't believe in wands, spells,
>unicorns, gnomes, polyjuice or pumpkin juice. (I'd still kind of like
>to believe in dragons. I do believe in owls, but I find email more
>convenient.)
>
>
I'm in the middle of rereading the books in anticipation of July
17th---so close but so far.
If only Howl's Moving Castle was opening near me---that would do me (and
Josh) a world of good.
On a more interesting and, for me, scary note, I will be hosting (and/or
facilitating) a Harry Potter Show and Tell Social Funshop (which really
means I'm not sure what to call it) at the Live and Learn Conference.
Good Times
--
Julie W
http://jwoolfolk.typepad.com/theothermother/
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shanan_school
Sorry...tried to join in with my experiences about the library
programs and our own unschooling. It wasn't meant to be personal
about anyone on this list. You believe differently and I respect
that. Didn't know I'd get bashed for my own personal choices.
Julie
programs and our own unschooling. It wasn't meant to be personal
about anyone on this list. You believe differently and I respect
that. Didn't know I'd get bashed for my own personal choices.
Julie
[email protected]
In a message dated 6/14/05 7:45:54 PM, jjjwoolfolk@... writes:
<< On a more interesting and, for me, scary note, I will be hosting (and/or
facilitating) a Harry Potter Show and Tell Social Funshop (which really
means I'm not sure what to call it) at the Live and Learn Conference.
Good Times >>
The amazing Randi still has that million-dollar reward for anyone who can
show proof of anything supernatural. Anyone who thinks there are actual spells
or operational potions-recipes in those books and could prove it could be rich!
Sandra
<< On a more interesting and, for me, scary note, I will be hosting (and/or
facilitating) a Harry Potter Show and Tell Social Funshop (which really
means I'm not sure what to call it) at the Live and Learn Conference.
Good Times >>
The amazing Randi still has that million-dollar reward for anyone who can
show proof of anything supernatural. Anyone who thinks there are actual spells
or operational potions-recipes in those books and could prove it could be rich!
Sandra
Gold Standard
Hey! Dh and I just did a stage version of Wizard of Oz with kids. Only we
made the wizard a girl who was dressing as a guy because she loved magic and
couldn't make it in the traveling circus show as a girl. Then Oz scooped him
(her) up as their wizard and it wasn't until Toto pulled her out of the
curtain that anyone knew. She sings a beautiful song written by my dh and a
teenage musician that explains her story. Just thought I'd share.
Oh, and we kept Aunt Em as the Christian woman...it gave the audience a
little chuckle. When Dorothy talks about staring in the creek, here's the
dialogue:
Aunt Em: ...there ain't nothin' to see in a crick - on'y stones an' fish
swimmin' around."
Dorothy: "Is that all you see in a crick, Aunt Em?"
Aunt Em:"It's all any Christian can see, Dor'thy".
Dorothy: Didn't you ever look quick at a fish an' think first off it was a
mermaid maybe?...I have lotsa times.
Aunt Em: That ain't right, Dorothy...If the good Lord had wanted us to see
mermaids swimmin' through our cow pasture, he'd o' put 'em there Himself!
So there you go.
Oh, the lion had dreadlocks for his mane btw, making him more Jamaican
French than French French, mon. The Tin man was a girl too, and may have
looked ho mo SEXShuel, since she was so caring toward Dorothy.
Okay, enough digressing.
Thanks for reading,
Jacki
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of SandraDodd@...
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2005 4:55 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [AlwaysLearning] Re: literary categorization (was something
else)
In a message dated 6/14/2005 5:02:31 PM Mountain Daylight Time,
aisliin@... writes:
The wizard of Oz has a Good Witch of the North in it, is
that off limits too?
But Dorothy's aunt is a good Christian woman (says so herself, in the movie
anyway), and the wizard is obviously Christian too. (He lived in Kansas;
he
didn't seem Jewish; no other choices in those days. <g>) The scarecrow?
Humanist, probably (philosophically), but I don't know. The Lion? French?
(JUST JOKING. But if French, Catholic, probably.) The tinman... ho mo
SEXShuel, therefor not Christian.
Toto? No soul.
All those based on 1939 (38?) movie version, and all TRUE (within my
literary and artistic interpretation of the moment, strained through the
sieve of my
knowledge of history, geography, and theology), guaranteed to make some
laugh, and to irritate all. Step right up! See the most Irritating Post
of the
Week.
(Darn. Hard week. Much competition.)
Sandra, who needs to get the oil can to that trapdoor's hinges...
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Yahoo! Groups Links
made the wizard a girl who was dressing as a guy because she loved magic and
couldn't make it in the traveling circus show as a girl. Then Oz scooped him
(her) up as their wizard and it wasn't until Toto pulled her out of the
curtain that anyone knew. She sings a beautiful song written by my dh and a
teenage musician that explains her story. Just thought I'd share.
Oh, and we kept Aunt Em as the Christian woman...it gave the audience a
little chuckle. When Dorothy talks about staring in the creek, here's the
dialogue:
Aunt Em: ...there ain't nothin' to see in a crick - on'y stones an' fish
swimmin' around."
Dorothy: "Is that all you see in a crick, Aunt Em?"
Aunt Em:"It's all any Christian can see, Dor'thy".
Dorothy: Didn't you ever look quick at a fish an' think first off it was a
mermaid maybe?...I have lotsa times.
Aunt Em: That ain't right, Dorothy...If the good Lord had wanted us to see
mermaids swimmin' through our cow pasture, he'd o' put 'em there Himself!
So there you go.
Oh, the lion had dreadlocks for his mane btw, making him more Jamaican
French than French French, mon. The Tin man was a girl too, and may have
looked ho mo SEXShuel, since she was so caring toward Dorothy.
Okay, enough digressing.
Thanks for reading,
Jacki
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of SandraDodd@...
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2005 4:55 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [AlwaysLearning] Re: literary categorization (was something
else)
In a message dated 6/14/2005 5:02:31 PM Mountain Daylight Time,
aisliin@... writes:
The wizard of Oz has a Good Witch of the North in it, is
that off limits too?
But Dorothy's aunt is a good Christian woman (says so herself, in the movie
anyway), and the wizard is obviously Christian too. (He lived in Kansas;
he
didn't seem Jewish; no other choices in those days. <g>) The scarecrow?
Humanist, probably (philosophically), but I don't know. The Lion? French?
(JUST JOKING. But if French, Catholic, probably.) The tinman... ho mo
SEXShuel, therefor not Christian.
Toto? No soul.
All those based on 1939 (38?) movie version, and all TRUE (within my
literary and artistic interpretation of the moment, strained through the
sieve of my
knowledge of history, geography, and theology), guaranteed to make some
laugh, and to irritate all. Step right up! See the most Irritating Post
of the
Week.
(Darn. Hard week. Much competition.)
Sandra, who needs to get the oil can to that trapdoor's hinges...
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Yahoo! Groups Links
Gold Standard
>>If one's faith is strong and good and useful and true, it shouldn't beThis is the main point right here I think. Thanks for making it Sandra.
>>endangered by any book or movie or song or art.<<
Jacki
Julianna
> >>If one's faith is strong and good and useful and true, itshouldn't be endangered by any book or movie or song or art.<<
...and as a parent, knowing my child's body is strong and healthy,
still would not allow her eat something that "I" believe might contain
poisons.
I hope everyone here has standards for their children. This just
happens to be mine. If we can't show respect for each other, then our
children are learning the same.
Respectfully,
Julie
diana jenner
Gold Standard wrote:
The kids and I go to the local UU church and I'm very involved in
Programming and in Religious Ed for kids (so far the MS and HS levels).
A wonderful homeschooling family invited Hannah & Hayden to go to their
AWANA program on Wednesday nights... It scares me on several levels and
my kids are really puzzled (by my inability to articulate exactly what
my issue is). They see AWANA as a fun time to hang out with their
friends, I see it as a brainwashing technique. I have a lot of input
into our own children's programming and the Director is my next-door
neighbor; we've brainstormed ideas to compete, thus far to no avail. I
know Jesus isn't the reason my kids are going... it's the stop at
McDonalds before class, having 2 extra hours with their good friends,
gold stickers and AWANA bucks. I don't know how to compete, or even if
I should... at this point, I've decided to support them in this, even
though my heart's not quite in it. I take them to a church where
"whatever you *need* to believe to be you, in your life, is just fine"
it's a struggle to hear them talk about *sin* and *salvation* when I've
worked so hard to keep that nonsense out of their minds and hearts...
Anyone else??
:) diana
--my first post here, so here's my abbreviated bio: Fun, cute,
red-headed, widowed mommy of Hannah, 8 and Hayden 6. We live in South
Dakota; we drove to MA last year for the L&L conference and will be in
St. Louis this October.
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>This is just what I needed to hear!
> >>If one's faith is strong and good and useful and true, it shouldn't be
> >>endangered by any book or movie or song or art.<<
>
> This is the main point right here I think. Thanks for making it Sandra.
>
> Jacki
The kids and I go to the local UU church and I'm very involved in
Programming and in Religious Ed for kids (so far the MS and HS levels).
A wonderful homeschooling family invited Hannah & Hayden to go to their
AWANA program on Wednesday nights... It scares me on several levels and
my kids are really puzzled (by my inability to articulate exactly what
my issue is). They see AWANA as a fun time to hang out with their
friends, I see it as a brainwashing technique. I have a lot of input
into our own children's programming and the Director is my next-door
neighbor; we've brainstormed ideas to compete, thus far to no avail. I
know Jesus isn't the reason my kids are going... it's the stop at
McDonalds before class, having 2 extra hours with their good friends,
gold stickers and AWANA bucks. I don't know how to compete, or even if
I should... at this point, I've decided to support them in this, even
though my heart's not quite in it. I take them to a church where
"whatever you *need* to believe to be you, in your life, is just fine"
it's a struggle to hear them talk about *sin* and *salvation* when I've
worked so hard to keep that nonsense out of their minds and hearts...
Anyone else??
:) diana
--my first post here, so here's my abbreviated bio: Fun, cute,
red-headed, widowed mommy of Hannah, 8 and Hayden 6. We live in South
Dakota; we drove to MA last year for the L&L conference and will be in
St. Louis this October.
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[email protected]
-----Original Message-----
From: diana jenner <hahamommy@...>
--my first post here, so here's my abbreviated bio: Fun, cute,
red-headed, widowed mommy of Hannah, 8 and Hayden 6. We live in South
Dakota; we drove to MA last year for the L&L conference and will be in
St. Louis this October.
-=-=-=-
*MY* kind of bio: a few words about you, your kids, where you
live.....and then advertisement for the conference! <G>
Check's in the mail, Diana! <g>
~Kelly
Kelly Lovejoy
Conference Coordinator
Live and Learn Unschooling Conference
October 6-9, 2005
http://liveandlearnconference.org
From: diana jenner <hahamommy@...>
--my first post here, so here's my abbreviated bio: Fun, cute,
red-headed, widowed mommy of Hannah, 8 and Hayden 6. We live in South
Dakota; we drove to MA last year for the L&L conference and will be in
St. Louis this October.
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*MY* kind of bio: a few words about you, your kids, where you
live.....and then advertisement for the conference! <G>
Check's in the mail, Diana! <g>
~Kelly
Kelly Lovejoy
Conference Coordinator
Live and Learn Unschooling Conference
October 6-9, 2005
http://liveandlearnconference.org
[email protected]
In a message dated 6/16/2005 6:26:45 AM Mountain Daylight Time,
hahamommy@... writes:
--my first post here, so here's my abbreviated bio: Fun, cute,
red-headed, widowed mommy of Hannah, 8 and Hayden 6. We live in South
Dakota; we drove to MA last year for the L&L conference and will be in
St. Louis this October.
HEY, this isn't a dating message board. Sheeeeesh....
_http://journals.aol.com/sandradodd/2905TahitiCtNE_
(http://journals.aol.com/sandradodd/2905TahitiCtNE)
#12 on the hot tub photos, that's Diana, with her kids and one of mine.
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hahamommy@... writes:
--my first post here, so here's my abbreviated bio: Fun, cute,
red-headed, widowed mommy of Hannah, 8 and Hayden 6. We live in South
Dakota; we drove to MA last year for the L&L conference and will be in
St. Louis this October.
HEY, this isn't a dating message board. Sheeeeesh....
_http://journals.aol.com/sandradodd/2905TahitiCtNE_
(http://journals.aol.com/sandradodd/2905TahitiCtNE)
#12 on the hot tub photos, that's Diana, with her kids and one of mine.
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In a message dated 6/16/2005 6:28:08 AM Mountain Daylight Time,
shananschool@... writes:
It wasn't meant to be personal
about anyone on this list. You believe differently and I respect
that. Didn't know I'd get bashed for my own personal choices.
It wasn't taken personally. None of us is Harry Potter.
I'm sorry if you took it personally. It wasn't bashing, it was
philosophical discussion of the value of choice and freedom.
It was philosophical discussion of how unschooling works well. If your
unschooling involves your personal choices limiting your children's personal
choices (or creating them, as when you say "we"), there can be problems with
that, as unschooling and autonomy go.
If autonomy isn't among a family's goals, that's a philosophical point worth
examining and worth discussing here, in a general non-personal way.
Sandra
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shananschool@... writes:
It wasn't meant to be personal
about anyone on this list. You believe differently and I respect
that. Didn't know I'd get bashed for my own personal choices.
It wasn't taken personally. None of us is Harry Potter.
I'm sorry if you took it personally. It wasn't bashing, it was
philosophical discussion of the value of choice and freedom.
It was philosophical discussion of how unschooling works well. If your
unschooling involves your personal choices limiting your children's personal
choices (or creating them, as when you say "we"), there can be problems with
that, as unschooling and autonomy go.
If autonomy isn't among a family's goals, that's a philosophical point worth
examining and worth discussing here, in a general non-personal way.
Sandra
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Gold Standard
>>I hope everyone here has standards for their children. This justHi Julie,
>>happens to be mine. If we can't show respect for each other, then our
>>children are learning the same.<<
I think what you'll find on this list is a radical unschooling take on
ideas, not people. I don't know you, but because you are a person on this
earth I respect you. However, I have no intention of respecting *ideas* that
*I* think are not good for children. It has nothing to do with you. When you
say something like "we don't like witches and such" or whatever the lead in
thought was, it sparked a conversation about censoring and control. That
happens to also be part of your religion too, I'm guessing. Those ideas are
ones we work with often on this list and every other unschooling list I've
seen. We are all to some degree consciously letting go of over control and
over censoring so that our children can breathe and be the intelligent and
bright people that they are. This doesn't mean that they can throw rocks
through windows and call people nasty names (unless of course its deserved
;-), but it does mean trusting that they will make good choices (and they
do) given all the information available, maybe even info about witches and
sorcery.
We are all on our different journeys through life, and are where we are
today because that is where the journey has lead us. And the journeys
continue. So I hope that this list helps in sharing more information about
trusting our children, respecting their abilities to make good decisions,
and how to be the best parents that we can be in that process.
I have many Christian friends, good friends, in fact my husband's best
friend just left here after spending a week with us. He's an evangelical
Christian. I say the same things to him that I have said on this list about
the *ideas* of his religion. I love *him* though. He may be an oddity though
because he is the only Christian friend that I can truly say what I think
and he doesn't drop us. Of course he's also open with the fact that he will
always continue to try to save us.
I do not mean to offend you in any way Julie. I just wanted to share that I
don't think *you* are being disrespected, but ideas that discourage radical
unschooling will be disrespected on this list. The intent is to present
unschooling.
Thank you,
Jacki
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Julianna
Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2005 10:54 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [AlwaysLearning] Re: literary categorization (was something
else)
> >>If one's faith is strong and good and useful and true, itshouldn't be endangered by any book or movie or song or art.<<
...and as a parent, knowing my child's body is strong and healthy,
still would not allow her eat something that "I" believe might contain
poisons.
Respectfully,
Julie
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My first post here also. But I had to respond. My dh and I have struggled
with the issue of faith a long time...the UU view best fits what I feel. My
dh feels like religion is purely a psychological manifestation to "make
sense" of life. Either way, there isn't a lot of reassurance we can give
themabout issues like, "what happens when you die?" Anyway, blah, blah
background. My in-laws live on a lake where they have boat church at the
bottom of the hill from their house (and where we stay during the summer).
There is a service at 8am and then everyone has food and it is fellowship
time. It's "non-denominational" but it's christian (I always get a kick out
of that). Anyway, I have always thought I would expose my dc to all
religious beliefs and what I believe but let them choose. I have become
increasingly uncomfortable with their attendance lately and we talk about
what it means (but they're 4 and 6) so, I don't know how much they take at
face value. My dd has begun talking about because Jesus...etc...The thing
that kills me is my inlaws don't REALLY believe. It is that it is
comfortable. It is an easy way to teach morals etc...but the bad part is it
has become a strenuous and uncomfortable undercurrent at the beginning of
every weekend to avoid them attending. Any suggestions?
SO that was a whole lot of info that was of no help to you whatsoever, other
then maybe, "hey look! you're not alone!"
Amanda, AL
To live is the rarest thing in the world. Most people exist, that is all.
--Oscar Wilde
I take them to a church where
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with the issue of faith a long time...the UU view best fits what I feel. My
dh feels like religion is purely a psychological manifestation to "make
sense" of life. Either way, there isn't a lot of reassurance we can give
themabout issues like, "what happens when you die?" Anyway, blah, blah
background. My in-laws live on a lake where they have boat church at the
bottom of the hill from their house (and where we stay during the summer).
There is a service at 8am and then everyone has food and it is fellowship
time. It's "non-denominational" but it's christian (I always get a kick out
of that). Anyway, I have always thought I would expose my dc to all
religious beliefs and what I believe but let them choose. I have become
increasingly uncomfortable with their attendance lately and we talk about
what it means (but they're 4 and 6) so, I don't know how much they take at
face value. My dd has begun talking about because Jesus...etc...The thing
that kills me is my inlaws don't REALLY believe. It is that it is
comfortable. It is an easy way to teach morals etc...but the bad part is it
has become a strenuous and uncomfortable undercurrent at the beginning of
every weekend to avoid them attending. Any suggestions?
SO that was a whole lot of info that was of no help to you whatsoever, other
then maybe, "hey look! you're not alone!"
Amanda, AL
To live is the rarest thing in the world. Most people exist, that is all.
--Oscar Wilde
I take them to a church where
>"whatever you *need* to believe to be you, in your life, is just fine"_________________________________________________________________
>it's a struggle to hear them talk about *sin* and *salvation* when I've
>worked so hard to keep that nonsense out of their minds and hearts...
>Anyone else??
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Sandra, I enjoyed looking at your plants.
Is the hollyhock the same as hibiscus? Because I have lots of hibiscus that
look just like those.
My husband would love that hot tub.
Karen
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Is the hollyhock the same as hibiscus? Because I have lots of hibiscus that
look just like those.
My husband would love that hot tub.
Karen
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S.Waynforth
My husband pointed at the hottub and said when we live somewhere with
a garden we are getting that. And then asked does it take coal or can
you use wood in the stove?
I miss Albuquerque. We'll be there for a week this summer, but it
isn't really the same to visit.
Sigh...
Schuyler
a garden we are getting that. And then asked does it take coal or can
you use wood in the stove?
I miss Albuquerque. We'll be there for a week this summer, but it
isn't really the same to visit.
Sigh...
Schuyler
--- In [email protected], tuckervill2@a... wrote:
>
> Sandra, I enjoyed looking at your plants.
>
> Is the hollyhock the same as hibiscus? Because I have lots of
hibiscus that
> look just like those.
>
> My husband would love that hot tub.
>
> Karen
>
>
>
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In a message dated 6/16/2005 10:49:41 AM Mountain Daylight Time,
tuckervill2@... writes:
Is the hollyhock the same as hibiscus? Because I have lots of hibiscus
that
look just like those.
I don't think so. Hollyhock grows on a tall stem and the leaves are kinda
rough and dry, a little like sandpapery geraniums. The first year they hardly
do anything. They're dinky little plants. The second and third years
they're big and bloom, and the older plants that've been there a long time must
have mondo deep roots because once they're established they don't need water
(they don't mind it, but they don't seem to die without it), so they were until
lately old-lady flowers in the southwest. Lately they're having a
resurgence. In some yards all that's needed is for people not to mow where the
hollyhocks used to be. <g> I planted mine, though, from seed we snagged from other
plants. I spotted a really dark wine colored one today, almost black
looking and if I can remember which plant it was when winter comes, I can get
enough seeds from the pod of just one flower to plant a whole bunch. They make
LOTS of seeds, just don't come up so easily sometimes.
I looked up hibiscus with google image and they look really cool!!
Sandra
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tuckervill2@... writes:
Is the hollyhock the same as hibiscus? Because I have lots of hibiscus
that
look just like those.
I don't think so. Hollyhock grows on a tall stem and the leaves are kinda
rough and dry, a little like sandpapery geraniums. The first year they hardly
do anything. They're dinky little plants. The second and third years
they're big and bloom, and the older plants that've been there a long time must
have mondo deep roots because once they're established they don't need water
(they don't mind it, but they don't seem to die without it), so they were until
lately old-lady flowers in the southwest. Lately they're having a
resurgence. In some yards all that's needed is for people not to mow where the
hollyhocks used to be. <g> I planted mine, though, from seed we snagged from other
plants. I spotted a really dark wine colored one today, almost black
looking and if I can remember which plant it was when winter comes, I can get
enough seeds from the pod of just one flower to plant a whole bunch. They make
LOTS of seeds, just don't come up so easily sometimes.
I looked up hibiscus with google image and they look really cool!!
Sandra
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