nuns, elephants, funerals, numbers (was 2 questions)
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-=-2) As I know these are right am I being conceited or as I believe just
more aware than those who do not.
-==-
You feel those things are right and you feel them deep in your being.
Is a nun being conceited for believing she knows more about God than others?
She's married to the guy! <g> But she knows the God her church has
portrayed, and she knows him in her personal way, meaning she knows the relationship
with God that she experiences inside her. She has worked carefully and
steadily to perfect her internal image of God. But some other Christians would
say she doesn't know God at ALL.
I'm going to quote a 19th century poem that came up elsewhere
(unschooling.com a week or so ago), so it's fresh in my mind:
It was six men of Indostan
To learning much inclined,
Who went to see the Elephant
(Though all of them were blind),
That each by observation
Might satisfy his mind
The First approached the Elephant,
And happening to fall
Against his broad and sturdy side,
At once began to bawl:
“God bless me! but the Elephant
Is very like a wall!”
The Second, feeling of the tusk,
Cried, “Ho! what have we here
So very round and smooth and sharp?
To me ’tis mighty clear
This wonder of an Elephant
Is very like a spear!”
The Third approached the animal,
And happening to take
The squirming trunk within his hands,
Thus boldly up and spake:
“I see,” quoth he, “the Elephant
Is very like a snake!”
The Fourth reached out an eager hand,
And felt about the knee.
“What most this wondrous beast is like
Is mighty plain,” quoth he;
“ ‘Tis clear enough the Elephant
Is very like a tree!”
The Fifth, who chanced to touch the ear,
Said: “E’en the blindest man
Can tell what this resembles most;
Deny the fact who can
This marvel of an Elephant
Is very like a fan!”
The Sixth no sooner had begun
About the beast to grope,
Than, seizing on the swinging tail
That fell within his scope,
“I see,” quoth he, “the Elephant
Is very like a rope!”
And so these men of Indostan
Disputed loud and long,
Each in his own opinion
Exceeding stiff and strong,
Though each was partly in the right,
And all were in the wrong!
If you to to google and look for something like "blind men and the
elephant," you'll also find non-poetic versions, older, from India. Here's that poem,
though: _http://www.wordfocus.com/word-act-blindmen.html_
(http://www.wordfocus.com/word-act-blindmen.html)
with some notes. It was by John Godfrey Saxe, an American.
So there is a really deep KNOWING that feels like religious fervor, and I'm
guessing Jay was feeling these truths about children and parents in that part
of his being.
Howard Gardner's fans and followers have proposed another intelligence that
Gardner didn't name originally: Existential It would be #9 or 10, I think.
Originally there were 7 and he named nature intelligence as an addition
later.
There's a place in the brain that's been mapped now that is where religious
experience lives.
_http://www.crystalinks.com/medbrain.html_
(http://www.crystalinks.com/medbrain.html) (good article near the end, but other stuff is interesting too!)
A good article on Andrew Newburg, a radiologist who's doing research on
mediation and prayer and brain response, and also another researcher, Rhawn
Joseph, is here:
_http://www.nj.com/specialprojects/index.ssf?/specialprojects/seekers/seekers3
.html_
(http://www.nj.com/specialprojects/index.ssf?/specialprojects/seekers/seekers3.html)
Time Magazine did a big cover story a few years back with Andrew Newburg's
early findings, but he's still working on it and knows more now.
When I was a Baptist kid there were songs I really loved, and they could
evoke a GREAT religious experience in me (though I was sure God was doing it to
me, rather than me doing it to me). They lose some of the power without the
music, the organ vibrating the pews, the others singing in harmony... but a
good sample of lyrics is here:
I serve a living Saviour, He's in the world today;
I know that He is living, whatever men may say;
I feel His hand of mercy, I hear His voice of cheer,
And just the time I need him, He's always near.
He lives! He lives! Christ Jesus lives today;
He walks with me and talks with me along life's narrow way;
He lives! He lives, salvation to impart;
You ask me how I know he lives, he lives within my heart.
[words by memory, and I might have misremembered a phrase, but will correct
later if necessary]
I knew there was a God. I knew it from the depths of my being.
God loomed large in my life for many years.
Now I don't believe there's a God (or if there is that's fine, but it
doesn't concern me directly anymore), but I DO believe almost everything else on
your list about how children's early years can help keep them strong and whole
and aware and so forth. Is that as fragile a belief as others? Maybe so!
The Pope acted on his beliefs and had a BIG damned funeral. Lots of people
agreed with him. Do numbers create truth? Is there a God and is he Catholic
because that was one of the biggest crowds ever gathered on one place? Was
God Hindu when so many people gathered for Mahatma Ghandi's funeral? In each
case, the deceased had affected lives and government policies.
The fervent beliefs of radical unschoolers changes the lives of other people
who were already inclined to want to move toward mindful parenting and
living compassionately with their own children. There aren't too many of us. Not
a billion, certainly. Maybe not many thousands. Still, if the beliefs and
practices are workable and not harmful and we see good results, that enforces
our ideas and beliefs and some develop deep convictions.
Deep convictions can change, and they can be hard to live by/with/through.
Sandra
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more aware than those who do not.
-==-
You feel those things are right and you feel them deep in your being.
Is a nun being conceited for believing she knows more about God than others?
She's married to the guy! <g> But she knows the God her church has
portrayed, and she knows him in her personal way, meaning she knows the relationship
with God that she experiences inside her. She has worked carefully and
steadily to perfect her internal image of God. But some other Christians would
say she doesn't know God at ALL.
I'm going to quote a 19th century poem that came up elsewhere
(unschooling.com a week or so ago), so it's fresh in my mind:
It was six men of Indostan
To learning much inclined,
Who went to see the Elephant
(Though all of them were blind),
That each by observation
Might satisfy his mind
The First approached the Elephant,
And happening to fall
Against his broad and sturdy side,
At once began to bawl:
“God bless me! but the Elephant
Is very like a wall!”
The Second, feeling of the tusk,
Cried, “Ho! what have we here
So very round and smooth and sharp?
To me ’tis mighty clear
This wonder of an Elephant
Is very like a spear!”
The Third approached the animal,
And happening to take
The squirming trunk within his hands,
Thus boldly up and spake:
“I see,” quoth he, “the Elephant
Is very like a snake!”
The Fourth reached out an eager hand,
And felt about the knee.
“What most this wondrous beast is like
Is mighty plain,” quoth he;
“ ‘Tis clear enough the Elephant
Is very like a tree!”
The Fifth, who chanced to touch the ear,
Said: “E’en the blindest man
Can tell what this resembles most;
Deny the fact who can
This marvel of an Elephant
Is very like a fan!”
The Sixth no sooner had begun
About the beast to grope,
Than, seizing on the swinging tail
That fell within his scope,
“I see,” quoth he, “the Elephant
Is very like a rope!”
And so these men of Indostan
Disputed loud and long,
Each in his own opinion
Exceeding stiff and strong,
Though each was partly in the right,
And all were in the wrong!
If you to to google and look for something like "blind men and the
elephant," you'll also find non-poetic versions, older, from India. Here's that poem,
though: _http://www.wordfocus.com/word-act-blindmen.html_
(http://www.wordfocus.com/word-act-blindmen.html)
with some notes. It was by John Godfrey Saxe, an American.
So there is a really deep KNOWING that feels like religious fervor, and I'm
guessing Jay was feeling these truths about children and parents in that part
of his being.
Howard Gardner's fans and followers have proposed another intelligence that
Gardner didn't name originally: Existential It would be #9 or 10, I think.
Originally there were 7 and he named nature intelligence as an addition
later.
There's a place in the brain that's been mapped now that is where religious
experience lives.
_http://www.crystalinks.com/medbrain.html_
(http://www.crystalinks.com/medbrain.html) (good article near the end, but other stuff is interesting too!)
A good article on Andrew Newburg, a radiologist who's doing research on
mediation and prayer and brain response, and also another researcher, Rhawn
Joseph, is here:
_http://www.nj.com/specialprojects/index.ssf?/specialprojects/seekers/seekers3
.html_
(http://www.nj.com/specialprojects/index.ssf?/specialprojects/seekers/seekers3.html)
Time Magazine did a big cover story a few years back with Andrew Newburg's
early findings, but he's still working on it and knows more now.
When I was a Baptist kid there were songs I really loved, and they could
evoke a GREAT religious experience in me (though I was sure God was doing it to
me, rather than me doing it to me). They lose some of the power without the
music, the organ vibrating the pews, the others singing in harmony... but a
good sample of lyrics is here:
I serve a living Saviour, He's in the world today;
I know that He is living, whatever men may say;
I feel His hand of mercy, I hear His voice of cheer,
And just the time I need him, He's always near.
He lives! He lives! Christ Jesus lives today;
He walks with me and talks with me along life's narrow way;
He lives! He lives, salvation to impart;
You ask me how I know he lives, he lives within my heart.
[words by memory, and I might have misremembered a phrase, but will correct
later if necessary]
I knew there was a God. I knew it from the depths of my being.
God loomed large in my life for many years.
Now I don't believe there's a God (or if there is that's fine, but it
doesn't concern me directly anymore), but I DO believe almost everything else on
your list about how children's early years can help keep them strong and whole
and aware and so forth. Is that as fragile a belief as others? Maybe so!
The Pope acted on his beliefs and had a BIG damned funeral. Lots of people
agreed with him. Do numbers create truth? Is there a God and is he Catholic
because that was one of the biggest crowds ever gathered on one place? Was
God Hindu when so many people gathered for Mahatma Ghandi's funeral? In each
case, the deceased had affected lives and government policies.
The fervent beliefs of radical unschoolers changes the lives of other people
who were already inclined to want to move toward mindful parenting and
living compassionately with their own children. There aren't too many of us. Not
a billion, certainly. Maybe not many thousands. Still, if the beliefs and
practices are workable and not harmful and we see good results, that enforces
our ideas and beliefs and some develop deep convictions.
Deep convictions can change, and they can be hard to live by/with/through.
Sandra
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Nancy Wooton
On Apr 14, 2005, at 7:08 AM, SandraDodd@... wrote:
Won't Go Away: Brain Science and the Biology of Belief."
Nancy
> Time Magazine did a big cover story a few years back with AndrewHe wrote a very accessible book, with two co-authors, called "Why God
> Newburg's
> early findings, but he's still working on it and knows more now.
Won't Go Away: Brain Science and the Biology of Belief."
Nancy
[email protected]
In a message dated 4/14/2005 8:14:35 AM Mountain Daylight Time,
SandraDodd@... writes:
A good article on Andrew Newburg, a radiologist who's doing research on
mediation and prayer
MediTation.
Not mediation.
You knew that, right? <g>
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SandraDodd@... writes:
A good article on Andrew Newburg, a radiologist who's doing research on
mediation and prayer
MediTation.
Not mediation.
You knew that, right? <g>
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]