Re: [AlwaysLearning] Digest Number 1467
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In a message dated 1/13/05 1:13:18 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[email protected] writes:
make a comment about the above statement. I'm assuming that the writer is
refering to Marijuana, if not then never mind. While Marijuana does effect short
term memory, the effects on the brain are limited to the time that Marijuana is
in the body and the brain recovers very quickly. There isn't evidence that
Marijuana contributes to permanent problems with short term memory.
Elissa Jill
Mystik Hill Farm
Kearneysville, WV
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[email protected] writes:
> Unfortuantely I abusedI'm not sure who even wrote the above (so it's not personal) but I wanted to
> drugs for four years of my teen life and it has affected my short
> term memory.
make a comment about the above statement. I'm assuming that the writer is
refering to Marijuana, if not then never mind. While Marijuana does effect short
term memory, the effects on the brain are limited to the time that Marijuana is
in the body and the brain recovers very quickly. There isn't evidence that
Marijuana contributes to permanent problems with short term memory.
Elissa Jill
Mystik Hill Farm
Kearneysville, WV
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heasue2003
I smoked pot, smoked crank and crack (not nearly as often as pot) and
drank. I can't say wether or not thier is any evidence that smoking
pot effects your short term memory because I havne't researched it
myself. What I do know is that when you smoke pot your brain
releases lots of seritonin (?). What you see becomes amplified, what
hear is amplified, what you taste is amplified. You have major
stimulation going on and the result is you start to block certain
stuff out. It's like your brain can't take all the pleasure and
intensity of everything. When you sober up it takes a while for your
brain to stop doing this. I don't hear names. People will introduce
themselves to me and I can almost gaurantee I will not remember it.
It's something I don't absorb into my brain. When I was high,
looking at green lushes trees blowing in the warm wind would amaze
me. The colors and sounds felt like they were running through me and
I was apart of the *energy* the tree was giving. Now when I look at
a tree I barely even notice it because I am sober and it isn't as
intense as when I was high. This leads me to not notice what I see,
hear, taste and etc. Maybe saying that I forget stuff is wrong.
Maybe what I should say is that I don't notice my environment like I
should or like I did before I had my 4 years of drug abuse. It would
be like going from Breyers Ice cream to a popsicle. Know what I mean?
Heather
I have been sober for 4 years.
drank. I can't say wether or not thier is any evidence that smoking
pot effects your short term memory because I havne't researched it
myself. What I do know is that when you smoke pot your brain
releases lots of seritonin (?). What you see becomes amplified, what
hear is amplified, what you taste is amplified. You have major
stimulation going on and the result is you start to block certain
stuff out. It's like your brain can't take all the pleasure and
intensity of everything. When you sober up it takes a while for your
brain to stop doing this. I don't hear names. People will introduce
themselves to me and I can almost gaurantee I will not remember it.
It's something I don't absorb into my brain. When I was high,
looking at green lushes trees blowing in the warm wind would amaze
me. The colors and sounds felt like they were running through me and
I was apart of the *energy* the tree was giving. Now when I look at
a tree I barely even notice it because I am sober and it isn't as
intense as when I was high. This leads me to not notice what I see,
hear, taste and etc. Maybe saying that I forget stuff is wrong.
Maybe what I should say is that I don't notice my environment like I
should or like I did before I had my 4 years of drug abuse. It would
be like going from Breyers Ice cream to a popsicle. Know what I mean?
Heather
I have been sober for 4 years.
--- In [email protected], Earthmomma67@a... wrote:
> In a message dated 1/13/05 1:13:18 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> [email protected] writes:
>
> > Unfortuantely I abused
> > drugs for four years of my teen life and it has affected my short
> > term memory.
>
> I'm not sure who even wrote the above (so it's not personal) but I
wanted to
> make a comment about the above statement. I'm assuming that the
writer is
> refering to Marijuana, if not then never mind. While Marijuana does
effect short
> term memory, the effects on the brain are limited to the time that
Marijuana is
> in the body and the brain recovers very quickly. There isn't
evidence that
> Marijuana contributes to permanent problems with short term memory.
> Elissa Jill
> Mystik Hill Farm
> Kearneysville, WV
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Queana
This is fascinating. I also abused drugs (primarily marijuana and
crank; sometimes alcohol) for about 4 years. I too do not notice
things. I never notice my environment, which leads to getting lost all
the time. I never notice what people look like, or what they're
wearing. I don't even know what I'm wearing half the time unless I
look. I never thought there might be a connection. I have been clean
10 years. On the other hand, my dh abused drugs for 10 or more years,
and doesn't have the same issues. He's been clean 14 years.
Queana
Mom to Wilyenn (14), Elfboy (9) and Bozohead (5)
Names have been changed to protect the innocent :)
crank; sometimes alcohol) for about 4 years. I too do not notice
things. I never notice my environment, which leads to getting lost all
the time. I never notice what people look like, or what they're
wearing. I don't even know what I'm wearing half the time unless I
look. I never thought there might be a connection. I have been clean
10 years. On the other hand, my dh abused drugs for 10 or more years,
and doesn't have the same issues. He's been clean 14 years.
Queana
Mom to Wilyenn (14), Elfboy (9) and Bozohead (5)
Names have been changed to protect the innocent :)
Angela S
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This is fascinating. I also abused drugs (primarily marijuana and
crank; sometimes alcohol) for about 4 years. I too do not notice
things. I never notice my environment, which leads to getting lost all
the time. I never notice what people look like, or what they're
wearing.
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I didn't abuse drugs and I have the same issues. I thought it was just a
personality difference. The girls' riding instructor amazes me because she
doesn't miss anything. (And I mean anything!) Neither does my oldest dd.
Since she was very small she would notice if one thing was out of place.
(like if I took a picture off the wall or something.) I went to my mom's
the other day and used her microwave. I didn't even notice that she didn't
used to have a microwave over the stove before until someone pointed out
that it was new. She used to have one, but it was in a cupboard, not over
the stove. I struggle to remember people's names and faces. I struggle to
remember where I know them from if I haven't seen them often. I never
notice what people are wearing or if they gain or lose weight, unless it's a
substantial amount. Things like that.
Angela
game-enthusiast@...
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This is fascinating. I also abused drugs (primarily marijuana and
crank; sometimes alcohol) for about 4 years. I too do not notice
things. I never notice my environment, which leads to getting lost all
the time. I never notice what people look like, or what they're
wearing.
-- ---
I didn't abuse drugs and I have the same issues. I thought it was just a
personality difference. The girls' riding instructor amazes me because she
doesn't miss anything. (And I mean anything!) Neither does my oldest dd.
Since she was very small she would notice if one thing was out of place.
(like if I took a picture off the wall or something.) I went to my mom's
the other day and used her microwave. I didn't even notice that she didn't
used to have a microwave over the stove before until someone pointed out
that it was new. She used to have one, but it was in a cupboard, not over
the stove. I struggle to remember people's names and faces. I struggle to
remember where I know them from if I haven't seen them often. I never
notice what people are wearing or if they gain or lose weight, unless it's a
substantial amount. Things like that.
Angela
game-enthusiast@...
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[email protected]
In a message dated 1/14/2005 10:25:22 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
game-enthusiast@... writes:
struggle to remember people's names and faces. I struggle to
remember where I know them from if I haven't seen them often
____________
This has come up in our family lately. I am hyper aware of my inanimate
surroundings--the way a candle is placed on the table, a piece of fuzz on the
floor, the way the waves look as we drive across the river. My husband, on the
other hand notices what people are wearing and always remembers their name.
He'll say things like, "Do you remember that women with the pale blue shirt
with a stripe on the pocket standing by the pool?" I struggle with names but
often remember a story a person has told in conversation. He has few
childhood memories while I seem to remember the past in often painful detail.
. My 15 year old daughter remembers what she ate after most significant
events in her life. She will say things like, " I got that scar on my toe when
it got caught under the door when I was 3. I ate macaroni and cheese out of
that red plastic bowl that night." Always the event is associated with food.
Very weird!
I find it all fascinating and sometimes frustrating. I often think I
don't remember names because I'm not comfortable meeting new people and just am
trying to be composed and not say anything inane. He is very comfortable in
social settings so he is able to concentrate on their names and clothes. I'm
better noticing things when no people are involved.
Gail
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game-enthusiast@... writes:
struggle to remember people's names and faces. I struggle to
remember where I know them from if I haven't seen them often
____________
This has come up in our family lately. I am hyper aware of my inanimate
surroundings--the way a candle is placed on the table, a piece of fuzz on the
floor, the way the waves look as we drive across the river. My husband, on the
other hand notices what people are wearing and always remembers their name.
He'll say things like, "Do you remember that women with the pale blue shirt
with a stripe on the pocket standing by the pool?" I struggle with names but
often remember a story a person has told in conversation. He has few
childhood memories while I seem to remember the past in often painful detail.
. My 15 year old daughter remembers what she ate after most significant
events in her life. She will say things like, " I got that scar on my toe when
it got caught under the door when I was 3. I ate macaroni and cheese out of
that red plastic bowl that night." Always the event is associated with food.
Very weird!
I find it all fascinating and sometimes frustrating. I often think I
don't remember names because I'm not comfortable meeting new people and just am
trying to be composed and not say anything inane. He is very comfortable in
social settings so he is able to concentrate on their names and clothes. I'm
better noticing things when no people are involved.
Gail
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Eric Donato
Wow, aren't we all amazing and different! I smoked literally tons of
marijuana from ages 11-33, and I have an outstanding memory, it's as if
I had recorded conversations and experiences with electronic devices...
and this is not quite a gift, I think the reason I smoked so much pot
is the overload effect my brain had on my nerves... I did not have an
good outlet to release the tension from constant brain activity... I
was a competitive swimmer during most of this time and that was when I
felt somewhat balanced... but I am hyperactive and so is one of my kids
who can dazzle everyone with his memory, but cannot keep quiet, stand
still or go to sleep!
it's all part of life, we need these experiences...
Jules.
marijuana from ages 11-33, and I have an outstanding memory, it's as if
I had recorded conversations and experiences with electronic devices...
and this is not quite a gift, I think the reason I smoked so much pot
is the overload effect my brain had on my nerves... I did not have an
good outlet to release the tension from constant brain activity... I
was a competitive swimmer during most of this time and that was when I
felt somewhat balanced... but I am hyperactive and so is one of my kids
who can dazzle everyone with his memory, but cannot keep quiet, stand
still or go to sleep!
it's all part of life, we need these experiences...
Jules.
On Jan 14, 2005, at 7:23 AM, Angela S wrote:
> *
> This is fascinating. I also abused drugs (primarily marijuana and
> crank; sometimes alcohol) for about 4 years. I too do not notice
> things. I never notice my environment, which leads to getting lost
> all
> the time. I never notice what people look like, or what they're
> wearing.
>
> -- ---
>
> I didn't abuse drugs and I have the same issues. I thought it was
> just a
> personality difference. The girls' riding instructor amazes me
> because she
> doesn't miss anything. (And I mean anything!) Neither does my
> oldest dd.
> Since she was very small she would notice if one thing was out of
> place.
> (like if I took a picture off the wall or something.) I went to my
> mom's
> the other day and used her microwave. I didn't even notice that she
> didn't
> used to have a microwave over the stove before until someone pointed
> out
> that it was new. She used to have one, but it was in a cupboard, not
> over
> the stove. I struggle to remember people's names and faces. I
> struggle to
> remember where I know them from if I haven't seen them often. I never
> notice what people are wearing or if they gain or lose weight, unless
> it's a
> substantial amount. Things like that.
>
>
>
> Angela
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tedaceja
Jules wrote:
'it's all part of life, we need these experiences...'
Sorry, I totally disagree. If we were smart enough, we would learn from
other people's experiences . . . history.
'it's all part of life, we need these experiences...'
Sorry, I totally disagree. If we were smart enough, we would learn from
other people's experiences . . . history.
Angela S
It really is funny how the brain works. I wrote the below statement about
not remembering people's faces unless I see them often. What Sandra wrote
made so much sense. It's because I remember people by who they are inside
and what they say, not what they look like. So, if I haven't interacted
with someone enough, then I probably won't remember their face/name even if'
I've seen them a quite a bit. But if I've dialed your phone number half a
dozen times, it's pretty much stuck in my mind.
Angela
game-enthusiast@...
In a message dated 1/14/2005 10:25:22 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
game-enthusiast@... writes:
struggle to remember people's names and faces. I struggle to
remember where I know them from if I haven't seen them often
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not remembering people's faces unless I see them often. What Sandra wrote
made so much sense. It's because I remember people by who they are inside
and what they say, not what they look like. So, if I haven't interacted
with someone enough, then I probably won't remember their face/name even if'
I've seen them a quite a bit. But if I've dialed your phone number half a
dozen times, it's pretty much stuck in my mind.
Angela
game-enthusiast@...
In a message dated 1/14/2005 10:25:22 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
game-enthusiast@... writes:
struggle to remember people's names and faces. I struggle to
remember where I know them from if I haven't seen them often
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Eric Donato
On Jan 16, 2005, at 3:40 AM, tedaceja wrote:
avoid our life mistakes? I unknowingly make mistakes precisely to
avoid others... and I have been labeled as being smart more times than
I believed myself...
gosh, I have heard your judgment many times, and in different ways...
how about: live and let live...
Jules.
> Jules wrote:being "smart", that's loaded! what in the world is "smart enough"? to
> 'it's all part of life, we need these experiences...'
>
> Sorry, I totally disagree. If we were smart enough, we would learn
> from
> other people's experiences . . . history
avoid our life mistakes? I unknowingly make mistakes precisely to
avoid others... and I have been labeled as being smart more times than
I believed myself...
gosh, I have heard your judgment many times, and in different ways...
how about: live and let live...
Jules.
[email protected]
In a message dated 1/15/2005 10:29:28 PM Central Standard Time,
gailbrocop@... writes:
He is very comfortable in
social settings so he is able to concentrate on their names and clothes
~~
The clothes remind me of little boys remembering every single detail about
Power Rangers and Yu-Gi-Oh characters and Star Wars guys. My older boys were
like this, and my youngest really, really, REALLY shows a penchant for it.
Gets frustrated if I can't remember that the Stormtrooper that drives the
speederbike has a different face than the regular ones. Can glance at a Yu-go-Oh
card and tell how it is different from the other incarnation of the same
character.
I've known kids in my life, when I was a kid, who could recognize hundreds
of different makes and models of cars! When I was cruising a lot as a
teenager, I could tell what a car *wasn't* (wasn't the boy we were chasing, etc.) by
the look of the headlights. But hundreds of models of cars? No.
It is an intelligence I do not possess.
Karen
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gailbrocop@... writes:
He is very comfortable in
social settings so he is able to concentrate on their names and clothes
~~
The clothes remind me of little boys remembering every single detail about
Power Rangers and Yu-Gi-Oh characters and Star Wars guys. My older boys were
like this, and my youngest really, really, REALLY shows a penchant for it.
Gets frustrated if I can't remember that the Stormtrooper that drives the
speederbike has a different face than the regular ones. Can glance at a Yu-go-Oh
card and tell how it is different from the other incarnation of the same
character.
I've known kids in my life, when I was a kid, who could recognize hundreds
of different makes and models of cars! When I was cruising a lot as a
teenager, I could tell what a car *wasn't* (wasn't the boy we were chasing, etc.) by
the look of the headlights. But hundreds of models of cars? No.
It is an intelligence I do not possess.
Karen
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J. Stauffer
<<<<I too do not notice
things. I never notice my environment, which leads to getting lost all
the time. I never notice what people look like, or what they're
wearing. >>>>
Most moms over 40 I know have these issues whether they did drugs or not. I
think it has to do with scattered attention rather than drug-induced brain
trauma.
Julie--10 years as a therapist in in-patient drug and alcohol wards
things. I never notice my environment, which leads to getting lost all
the time. I never notice what people look like, or what they're
wearing. >>>>
Most moms over 40 I know have these issues whether they did drugs or not. I
think it has to do with scattered attention rather than drug-induced brain
trauma.
Julie--10 years as a therapist in in-patient drug and alcohol wards
----- Original Message -----
From: "Queana" <queana7@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, January 14, 2005 8:29 AM
Subject: RE: [AlwaysLearning] Re: Digest Number 1467
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> This is fascinating. I also abused drugs (primarily marijuana and
> crank; sometimes alcohol) for about 4 years. I too do not notice
> things. I never notice my environment, which leads to getting lost all
> the time. I never notice what people look like, or what they're
> wearing. I don't even know what I'm wearing half the time unless I
> look. I never thought there might be a connection. I have been clean
> 10 years. On the other hand, my dh abused drugs for 10 or more years,
> and doesn't have the same issues. He's been clean 14 years.
> Queana
> Mom to Wilyenn (14), Elfboy (9) and Bozohead (5)
> Names have been changed to protect the innocent :)
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[email protected]
In a message dated 1/18/2005 7:34:58 AM Central Standard Time,
jnjstau@... writes:
Most moms over 40 I know have these issues whether they did drugs or not. I
think it has to do with scattered attention rather than drug-induced brain
trauma.
~~~
Whew. I'm so glad to hear that, because I never did drugs! I'm pretty
scatterbrained sometimes. I can't call my children's names when I need them. I
know this is common...but it can be embarrassing sometimes. I was talking to
Jake's commander the day he left, relating a story, and I ran through
Charles, Will, and Jon before I got to Jake.
Who am I and what am I doing here?
Karen
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jnjstau@... writes:
Most moms over 40 I know have these issues whether they did drugs or not. I
think it has to do with scattered attention rather than drug-induced brain
trauma.
~~~
Whew. I'm so glad to hear that, because I never did drugs! I'm pretty
scatterbrained sometimes. I can't call my children's names when I need them. I
know this is common...but it can be embarrassing sometimes. I was talking to
Jake's commander the day he left, relating a story, and I ran through
Charles, Will, and Jon before I got to Jake.
Who am I and what am I doing here?
Karen
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Elizabeth Hill
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Most moms over 40 I know have these issues whether they did drugs or not. I
think it has to do with scattered attention rather than drug-induced brain
trauma.**
I just read in the current issue of Prevention that rats fed trans-fats (like partially hydrogenated soybean oil found in common snack foods) get stupider and perform more poorly on maze tests. I've indulged far more in snacks than in drugs over my lifetime, so maybe that's what happened to my brain.
(So read those labels! But now that I am over 40, I have to slide my glasses OFF to read them. And squint. <g>)
Betsy
Most moms over 40 I know have these issues whether they did drugs or not. I
think it has to do with scattered attention rather than drug-induced brain
trauma.**
I just read in the current issue of Prevention that rats fed trans-fats (like partially hydrogenated soybean oil found in common snack foods) get stupider and perform more poorly on maze tests. I've indulged far more in snacks than in drugs over my lifetime, so maybe that's what happened to my brain.
(So read those labels! But now that I am over 40, I have to slide my glasses OFF to read them. And squint. <g>)
Betsy
[email protected]
In a message dated 1/18/2005 11:40:46 A.M. Mountain Standard Time,
ecsamhill@... writes:
(So read those labels! But now that I am over 40, I have to slide my
glasses OFF to read them. And squint. <g>)
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Women's eyes, if they start off good, expire in 40 years it seems.
But even if they wore glasses before, 40 hits and things change. HOW WEIRD.
I had to get reading glasses when I turned 40.
I used drugs AND ate Fritos and donuts, but I can still remember who I did
all with, and can remember some of their phone numbers even. <g> Okay, their
teenage phone numbers, not their new numbers with area codes and their
optional cellphone numbers.
Brains function like brains function. Mysteriously.
Sandra
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ecsamhill@... writes:
(So read those labels! But now that I am over 40, I have to slide my
glasses OFF to read them. And squint. <g>)
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Women's eyes, if they start off good, expire in 40 years it seems.
But even if they wore glasses before, 40 hits and things change. HOW WEIRD.
I had to get reading glasses when I turned 40.
I used drugs AND ate Fritos and donuts, but I can still remember who I did
all with, and can remember some of their phone numbers even. <g> Okay, their
teenage phone numbers, not their new numbers with area codes and their
optional cellphone numbers.
Brains function like brains function. Mysteriously.
Sandra
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Queana
-----Original Message-----
From: J. Stauffer [mailto:jnjstau@...]
Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 5:31 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [AlwaysLearning] Re: Digest Number 1467
<<<<I too do not notice
things. I never notice my environment, which leads to getting lost all
the time. I never notice what people look like, or what they're
wearing. >>>>
Most moms over 40 I know have these issues whether they did drugs or
not. I
think it has to do with scattered attention rather than drug-induced
brain
trauma.
Julie--10 years as a therapist in in-patient drug and alcohol wards
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Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 5:31 AM
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Subject: Re: [AlwaysLearning] Re: Digest Number 1467
<<<<I too do not notice
things. I never notice my environment, which leads to getting lost all
the time. I never notice what people look like, or what they're
wearing. >>>>
Most moms over 40 I know have these issues whether they did drugs or
not. I
think it has to do with scattered attention rather than drug-induced
brain
trauma.
Julie--10 years as a therapist in in-patient drug and alcohol wards
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Nancy Wooton
on 1/21/05 1:06 PM, Queana at queana7@... wrote:
maybe have put on some extra weight or notice their hair is kind of dry
might want to ask their doctor for a thyroid function test. Same goes for
those who feel agitated all the time, have trouble sleeping, have lost
weight or think their heart is racing.
Nancy, who has learned more than she ever wanted to about thyroid problems
in the last 5 months.
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With time and patience the mulberry leaf becomes a silk gown.
-Chinese proverb
> -----Original Message-----People of any age who find themselves lost, seem to be wandering in a fog,
> From: J. Stauffer [mailto:jnjstau@...]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 5:31 AM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [AlwaysLearning] Re: Digest Number 1467
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> <<<<I too do not notice
> things. I never notice my environment, which leads to getting lost all
> the time. I never notice what people look like, or what they're
> wearing. >>>>
>
> Most moms over 40 I know have these issues whether they did drugs or
> not. I
> think it has to do with scattered attention rather than drug-induced
> brain
> trauma.
>
> Julie--10 years as a therapist in in-patient drug and alcohol wards
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> [***] lol, but I just turned 29!
> Q
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maybe have put on some extra weight or notice their hair is kind of dry
might want to ask their doctor for a thyroid function test. Same goes for
those who feel agitated all the time, have trouble sleeping, have lost
weight or think their heart is racing.
Nancy, who has learned more than she ever wanted to about thyroid problems
in the last 5 months.
--
With time and patience the mulberry leaf becomes a silk gown.
-Chinese proverb