nothing without you
Gold Standard
If anyone is interested, nothingwithoutyou.net is the website for the
documentary of the naked guy who goes with nothing to Burning Man to see
what happens. There are three showings in the next 5 weeks in California.
The website itself is kinda cool.
Jacki
documentary of the naked guy who goes with nothing to Burning Man to see
what happens. There are three showings in the next 5 weeks in California.
The website itself is kinda cool.
Jacki
Gold Standard
Is it appropriate to write cosmic coincidences on the list if they pertain
to former posts? Yesterday was quite remarkable. First, someone mentions
Burning Man on the list (Burning Man is an event that happens in the summer
in the desert every year where people come and build a huge self-sustaining
art "town" where everyone contributes something. It becomes a 10,000 person
town complete with supermarket and post office). Then I posted about the
indie documentary "Nothing Without You" about a man who goes to Burning Man
with nothing, including clothes, to see how far human generosity will go.
Two hours later, I get an email from the man who made the documentary
"Nothing Without You"...out of the blue. I have never received an email from
him before. I haven't even spoken about this film for many months. So then I
email him about this "coincidence" and he emails me back,
"Yes...that was a coincidence......Though I just saw the film "What the
*&%$# Do We Know?" ....so maybe it wasn't a coincidence." !!! We just talked
about this small indie film on the list as well!
It really seemed important to share this, though maybe it wasn't. I do
recommend both movies for unschooling families (or all families), as each
tells a story that promotes thinking outside the "box".
Thank you,
Jacki
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From: Gold Standard [mailto:contact@...]
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 10:16 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [AlwaysLearning] nothing without you
If anyone is interested, nothingwithoutyou.net is the website for the
documentary of the naked guy who goes with nothing to Burning Man to see
what happens. There are three showings in the next 5 weeks in California.
The website itself is kinda cool.
Jacki
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to former posts? Yesterday was quite remarkable. First, someone mentions
Burning Man on the list (Burning Man is an event that happens in the summer
in the desert every year where people come and build a huge self-sustaining
art "town" where everyone contributes something. It becomes a 10,000 person
town complete with supermarket and post office). Then I posted about the
indie documentary "Nothing Without You" about a man who goes to Burning Man
with nothing, including clothes, to see how far human generosity will go.
Two hours later, I get an email from the man who made the documentary
"Nothing Without You"...out of the blue. I have never received an email from
him before. I haven't even spoken about this film for many months. So then I
email him about this "coincidence" and he emails me back,
"Yes...that was a coincidence......Though I just saw the film "What the
*&%$# Do We Know?" ....so maybe it wasn't a coincidence." !!! We just talked
about this small indie film on the list as well!
It really seemed important to share this, though maybe it wasn't. I do
recommend both movies for unschooling families (or all families), as each
tells a story that promotes thinking outside the "box".
Thank you,
Jacki
-----Original Message-----
From: Gold Standard [mailto:contact@...]
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 10:16 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [AlwaysLearning] nothing without you
If anyone is interested, nothingwithoutyou.net is the website for the
documentary of the naked guy who goes with nothing to Burning Man to see
what happens. There are three showings in the next 5 weeks in California.
The website itself is kinda cool.
Jacki
Yahoo! Groups Links
Sondra Carr
I wanted to see that - I'll have to catch it here in Colorado or when I am
in NY. I've heard about it - it was designed to test the gift-economy at
burning man but caused some controversy as one of the other points in the
burning man temporary culture is radical self-reliance, and showing up with
nothing for your own survival is not at all self-reliant. Further, as a
member of that community myself, I think it's one of the most exciting
lessons in community, culture, and an immersion in the actual development of
a society. The burning man experience changes as its numbers increase. There
is dissent and creative impulse gives way to rules as the growth indicates
needs for safety and other concerns. The experience really gets people
talking about what makes a society run, and which of our rules are needed
vs. which are not.
It reminds me of the process art of Cristo and Jean Claude - going into a
community and creating some extreme change but the real art is the process
that has to happen to make the creativity possible - the people in the
community and how their understanding changes. Burning Man also offers this
exploration of the definition of process art - one which eludes many outside
the art community.
Issues of individual freedom vs. interdependent community building, rules
vs. expression, personal responsibility, alternative energy, alternative
commerce, and much more are brought out from the hidden architecture and
made points of discussion by their rawness as the experiment grows. I highly
suggest everyone try it at least one year to experience that. I would
caution that the community standards lean heavily toward freedom and might
be too much for some people or for some parent's ideas about what their
children should be exposed to and at what ages. Radical unschoolers
shouldn't have much of a problem but I would have to point out that there is
a heavy sexual and nudity content and there are drugs (although they are not
as open as the sexuality and nudity.) There is no way to create an event
this size devoted to radical self-expression and not have these things be a
part of it.
If anyone is interested, I'm heavily involved with KidsCamp at burning man -
a sort of subset that is involved but a little more protected from some of
the outside freedoms to make it a little easier for families with children
to experience this radical experiment - and I'd gladly put you in touch with
the mayor and help you to set up a trip for next year.
Sondra
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From: Gold Standard [mailto:contact@...]
Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 1:16 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [AlwaysLearning] nothing without you
If anyone is interested, nothingwithoutyou.net is the website for the
documentary of the naked guy who goes with nothing to Burning Man to see
what happens. There are three showings in the next 5 weeks in California.
The website itself is kinda cool.
Jacki
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in NY. I've heard about it - it was designed to test the gift-economy at
burning man but caused some controversy as one of the other points in the
burning man temporary culture is radical self-reliance, and showing up with
nothing for your own survival is not at all self-reliant. Further, as a
member of that community myself, I think it's one of the most exciting
lessons in community, culture, and an immersion in the actual development of
a society. The burning man experience changes as its numbers increase. There
is dissent and creative impulse gives way to rules as the growth indicates
needs for safety and other concerns. The experience really gets people
talking about what makes a society run, and which of our rules are needed
vs. which are not.
It reminds me of the process art of Cristo and Jean Claude - going into a
community and creating some extreme change but the real art is the process
that has to happen to make the creativity possible - the people in the
community and how their understanding changes. Burning Man also offers this
exploration of the definition of process art - one which eludes many outside
the art community.
Issues of individual freedom vs. interdependent community building, rules
vs. expression, personal responsibility, alternative energy, alternative
commerce, and much more are brought out from the hidden architecture and
made points of discussion by their rawness as the experiment grows. I highly
suggest everyone try it at least one year to experience that. I would
caution that the community standards lean heavily toward freedom and might
be too much for some people or for some parent's ideas about what their
children should be exposed to and at what ages. Radical unschoolers
shouldn't have much of a problem but I would have to point out that there is
a heavy sexual and nudity content and there are drugs (although they are not
as open as the sexuality and nudity.) There is no way to create an event
this size devoted to radical self-expression and not have these things be a
part of it.
If anyone is interested, I'm heavily involved with KidsCamp at burning man -
a sort of subset that is involved but a little more protected from some of
the outside freedoms to make it a little easier for families with children
to experience this radical experiment - and I'd gladly put you in touch with
the mayor and help you to set up a trip for next year.
Sondra
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From: Gold Standard [mailto:contact@...]
Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 1:16 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [AlwaysLearning] nothing without you
If anyone is interested, nothingwithoutyou.net is the website for the
documentary of the naked guy who goes with nothing to Burning Man to see
what happens. There are three showings in the next 5 weeks in California.
The website itself is kinda cool.
Jacki
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Sondra Carr
Oh boy - burning man and coincidences or serendipity go hand in hand for me.
For the record - this year we had 35,000 people at burning man. That's a
5,000 person increase from last year too.
My most interesting experiences there have been with the kind of
serendipitous moments you are describing. So how did he contact you? We can
take this off-list if it's not interesting to anyone else - but I've been
thinking a lot about the relationship between freedom and creativity and
whatever the life-force is that allows serendipity to rule. Perhaps a
fear-based, rules oriented society damages our ability to focus this strange
energy we share.
Sondra
For the record - this year we had 35,000 people at burning man. That's a
5,000 person increase from last year too.
My most interesting experiences there have been with the kind of
serendipitous moments you are describing. So how did he contact you? We can
take this off-list if it's not interesting to anyone else - but I've been
thinking a lot about the relationship between freedom and creativity and
whatever the life-force is that allows serendipity to rule. Perhaps a
fear-based, rules oriented society damages our ability to focus this strange
energy we share.
Sondra
Barbara Chase
>It really seemed important to share this, though maybe it wasn't. I doMy husband just went to Burning Man for the first time this year. He said
>recommend both movies for unschooling families (or all families), as each
>tells a story that promotes thinking outside the "box".
it's was amazing, and beyond words. (BTW, it's more like 30,000 - 35,000
people, and I don't think there is a market. Just people offering or
bartering whatever they have. It is possible to buy ice, coffee, and
lemonade; those are the only items for sale from the organizers.)
Anyway, I really would love to see this movie and it's playing nearby --
but it's playing late at night and I'd need to take my 5.5 yo daughter.
So, I'd like to know if it would be appropriate for this age?
Thanks
--bc--
Gold Standard
"Nothing Without You" does show the man naked, but in no other way than his
humble self. No sex or drugs are shown (well, there may have been something
passed around a circle of people, but it wasn't highlighted, and it may not
have even happened). There might be swearing, I don't remember. It has lots
of quieter talk and moments, that may be boring for a 5.5 yo to be
interested in, but I don't recall anything disturbing (I watched it with my
15 yo, so my younger child eyes weren't on...sorry!). I have been trying to
get a copy of the movie, but alas it is not for sale, so the only way to see
it now is on the indie film festival circuit.
If you were by chance talking about the movie "What the @#$%&* Do We Know?",
that has sex, drunkedness, and deep depression in it (along with lots of
inspiring things). I was a little uncomfortable with my 10 yo seeing it, but
the message came through well, and it seemed okay by the end. I mention this
because earlier I encouraged families to see it, and didn't qualify it with
some of the stuff that may not be great for younger ones to see.
Jacki
-----Original Message-----
From: Barbara Chase [mailto:barb@...]
Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 12:12 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: [AlwaysLearning] nothing without you
it's was amazing, and beyond words. (BTW, it's more like 30,000 - 35,000
people, and I don't think there is a market. Just people offering or
bartering whatever they have. It is possible to buy ice, coffee, and
lemonade; those are the only items for sale from the organizers.)
Anyway, I really would love to see this movie and it's playing nearby --
but it's playing late at night and I'd need to take my 5.5 yo daughter.
So, I'd like to know if it would be appropriate for this age?
Thanks
--bc--
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humble self. No sex or drugs are shown (well, there may have been something
passed around a circle of people, but it wasn't highlighted, and it may not
have even happened). There might be swearing, I don't remember. It has lots
of quieter talk and moments, that may be boring for a 5.5 yo to be
interested in, but I don't recall anything disturbing (I watched it with my
15 yo, so my younger child eyes weren't on...sorry!). I have been trying to
get a copy of the movie, but alas it is not for sale, so the only way to see
it now is on the indie film festival circuit.
If you were by chance talking about the movie "What the @#$%&* Do We Know?",
that has sex, drunkedness, and deep depression in it (along with lots of
inspiring things). I was a little uncomfortable with my 10 yo seeing it, but
the message came through well, and it seemed okay by the end. I mention this
because earlier I encouraged families to see it, and didn't qualify it with
some of the stuff that may not be great for younger ones to see.
Jacki
-----Original Message-----
From: Barbara Chase [mailto:barb@...]
Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 12:12 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: [AlwaysLearning] nothing without you
>It really seemed important to share this, though maybe it wasn't. I doMy husband just went to Burning Man for the first time this year. He said
>recommend both movies for unschooling families (or all families), as each
>tells a story that promotes thinking outside the "box".
it's was amazing, and beyond words. (BTW, it's more like 30,000 - 35,000
people, and I don't think there is a market. Just people offering or
bartering whatever they have. It is possible to buy ice, coffee, and
lemonade; those are the only items for sale from the organizers.)
Anyway, I really would love to see this movie and it's playing nearby --
but it's playing late at night and I'd need to take my 5.5 yo daughter.
So, I'd like to know if it would be appropriate for this age?
Thanks
--bc--
Yahoo! Groups Links
Gold Standard
>>Perhaps afear-based, rules oriented society damages our ability to focus this strange
energy we share.<<
Sondra
Here here! And we may have to go offline from here...
Jacki
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Sondra Carr
FYI Burning man has a café at center camp that sells coffee and a camp
arctica which sells ice. My understanding is that these concessions fund
Gerlach high-school programs and succeed in making the locals in the area
amenable to 35,000 strange people pouring through their town every year.
Theres also a burner sponsored and/or supported movement to save the
Gerlach water tower. Other than the two concessions, there is nothing for
sale at burning man once you enter the gates. Everyone is supposed to bring
everything they need to survive for a week including food and all their
water approximately 2.5 gallons per person/ per day. In addition, this is
a gift economy and participants are encouraged to freely give of themselves
to other participants. These facts create an immediate lesson on the value
of independence and its eventual evolution to interdependence as there
really is no way that anyone new to this can possibly foresee what will be
necessary for seven days in such a harsh climate. There is some barter but
the preferred culture is gift based. Its truly one of the most amazing
experiments in which Ive taken part and you can only scratch the surface in
understanding it until you experience it yourself.
My husband just went to Burning Man for the first time this year. He said
it's was amazing, and beyond words. (BTW, it's more like 30,000 - 35,000
people, and I don't think there is a market. Just people offering or
bartering whatever they have. It is possible to buy ice, coffee, and
lemonade; those are the only items for sale from the organizers.)
Anyway, I really would love to see this movie and it's playing nearby --
but it's playing late at night and I'd need to take my 5.5 yo daughter.
So, I'd like to know if it would be appropriate for this age?
Thanks
--bc--
Yahoo! Groups Links
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arctica which sells ice. My understanding is that these concessions fund
Gerlach high-school programs and succeed in making the locals in the area
amenable to 35,000 strange people pouring through their town every year.
Theres also a burner sponsored and/or supported movement to save the
Gerlach water tower. Other than the two concessions, there is nothing for
sale at burning man once you enter the gates. Everyone is supposed to bring
everything they need to survive for a week including food and all their
water approximately 2.5 gallons per person/ per day. In addition, this is
a gift economy and participants are encouraged to freely give of themselves
to other participants. These facts create an immediate lesson on the value
of independence and its eventual evolution to interdependence as there
really is no way that anyone new to this can possibly foresee what will be
necessary for seven days in such a harsh climate. There is some barter but
the preferred culture is gift based. Its truly one of the most amazing
experiments in which Ive taken part and you can only scratch the surface in
understanding it until you experience it yourself.
My husband just went to Burning Man for the first time this year. He said
it's was amazing, and beyond words. (BTW, it's more like 30,000 - 35,000
people, and I don't think there is a market. Just people offering or
bartering whatever they have. It is possible to buy ice, coffee, and
lemonade; those are the only items for sale from the organizers.)
Anyway, I really would love to see this movie and it's playing nearby --
but it's playing late at night and I'd need to take my 5.5 yo daughter.
So, I'd like to know if it would be appropriate for this age?
Thanks
--bc--
Yahoo! Groups Links
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