wish us luck
badolbilz
Our latest, possible, exciting news. My sister (who has a 3 yr old dd,
a 22mth ds, and a baby due in November) has been asking me a lot about
unschooling/homeschooling. We've had many debates on the phone, mostly
because she thinks ALL unschoolers think only in black and white about
the evil of schools and believe all kids should be out of school. But
she keeps asking questions, so I'm hopeful because schools are evil and
all kids should be out of school ;)
One thing that might hold her back is that her in-laws were both ps
teachers. So every book or article she borrows she intends to pass on
to her mil to get her okay on it.
Honestly, I don't think she could ever completely unschool as a
lifestyle because she's adamant on schedules and forced feeding at
mealtimes and especially bedtimes. It bothers her to no end that I no
longer make my children eat anything they don't want to and that they
often stay up till all hours of the night to be with me. She claims
that she needs her own time to herself, so she would never stop
enforcing bedtimes. I think that's so sad because she works all day
while they're in a very regimented daycare and only sees them for a
couple of hours. Of course, they couldn't stay up too late, now,
because the daycare refuses to let them sleep for any reason outside of
the allotted nap times. UGH.
So wish us luck. She's planning to stop working when the baby's born.
Of course she's also planning to go back to school for her next career
as a acupuncturist.
She's a career woman, through and through. But she's watching my
children and she's had so many problems with issues and sickness from
the daycare. Oh, I'm so hopeful.
One thing, can anyone recommend a book or article that focuses
completely on unschooling without bashing the ps school system? That's
what she keeps asking me for and everything I have eventually or
blatantly tears into ps school.
Thanks, Heidi
a 22mth ds, and a baby due in November) has been asking me a lot about
unschooling/homeschooling. We've had many debates on the phone, mostly
because she thinks ALL unschoolers think only in black and white about
the evil of schools and believe all kids should be out of school. But
she keeps asking questions, so I'm hopeful because schools are evil and
all kids should be out of school ;)
One thing that might hold her back is that her in-laws were both ps
teachers. So every book or article she borrows she intends to pass on
to her mil to get her okay on it.
Honestly, I don't think she could ever completely unschool as a
lifestyle because she's adamant on schedules and forced feeding at
mealtimes and especially bedtimes. It bothers her to no end that I no
longer make my children eat anything they don't want to and that they
often stay up till all hours of the night to be with me. She claims
that she needs her own time to herself, so she would never stop
enforcing bedtimes. I think that's so sad because she works all day
while they're in a very regimented daycare and only sees them for a
couple of hours. Of course, they couldn't stay up too late, now,
because the daycare refuses to let them sleep for any reason outside of
the allotted nap times. UGH.
So wish us luck. She's planning to stop working when the baby's born.
Of course she's also planning to go back to school for her next career
as a acupuncturist.
She's a career woman, through and through. But she's watching my
children and she's had so many problems with issues and sickness from
the daycare. Oh, I'm so hopeful.
One thing, can anyone recommend a book or article that focuses
completely on unschooling without bashing the ps school system? That's
what she keeps asking me for and everything I have eventually or
blatantly tears into ps school.
Thanks, Heidi
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In a message dated 4/19/04 8:45:54 AM, ynxn96@... writes:
<< One thing, can anyone recommend a book or article that focuses
completely on unschooling without bashing the ps school system? That's
what she keeps asking me for and everything I have eventually or
blatantly tears into ps school.
The Homeschool Book of Answers? (Not totally unschooling, but leans that
way.)
Honestly, homeschooling has pretty directly to do with public school, and
that can't be done away with. The only reason rivers exist is that there's land
on either side of them. The only reason stars show in the sky is that it's
dark. If she's sending you on a snipe hunt, don't go. She can't have what
doesn't exist, and homeschooling in the absence of any consideration of school
(even if only the years of conditioning of the parents) doesn't exist.
Sandra
<< One thing, can anyone recommend a book or article that focuses
completely on unschooling without bashing the ps school system? That's
what she keeps asking me for and everything I have eventually or
blatantly tears into ps school.
>>The Unschooling Handbook?
The Homeschool Book of Answers? (Not totally unschooling, but leans that
way.)
Honestly, homeschooling has pretty directly to do with public school, and
that can't be done away with. The only reason rivers exist is that there's land
on either side of them. The only reason stars show in the sky is that it's
dark. If she's sending you on a snipe hunt, don't go. She can't have what
doesn't exist, and homeschooling in the absence of any consideration of school
(even if only the years of conditioning of the parents) doesn't exist.
Sandra
Kay Alina
Wow. All I can say is your sil is lucky she was not blessed with a high need child. Than again, I feel lucky to have been blessed with a high need child. I will wish you luck. I will wish her children luck. I will even say a little prayer for them. I guess it is especially difficult to hear stories like this because I had parents who were not present. As an adult when my mom told me if she had to do it over again she would not have had kids I looked at her and said "Than why did you have three?" She said it was because my dad wanted them. Holy Mary mother of God people are insane. We are all so lucky we survived. Of course my brother is currently a drug addicted schizophrenic who I have not seen in over four years and I have had no contact with either of my parents for four years but I do thank God she was probably one of the best worst examples I could have been blessed with. Thank goodness you are your nieces and nephews auntie. My auntie Echo was a gift from God. Love those kids as much as you can. You may be the only mother figure they ever get in their lives. Thanks for sharing the story. I think I am going to send my Aunt Echo a card now.
Kay
Kay
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From: badolbilz
To: [email protected]
Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 7:41 AM
Subject: [AlwaysLearning] wish us luck
Our latest, possible, exciting news. My sister (who has a 3 yr old dd,
a 22mth ds, and a baby due in November) has been asking me a lot about
unschooling/homeschooling. We've had many debates on the phone, mostly
because she thinks ALL unschoolers think only in black and white about
the evil of schools and believe all kids should be out of school. But
she keeps asking questions, so I'm hopeful because schools are evil and
all kids should be out of school ;)
One thing that might hold her back is that her in-laws were both ps
teachers. So every book or article she borrows she intends to pass on
to her mil to get her okay on it.
Honestly, I don't think she could ever completely unschool as a
lifestyle because she's adamant on schedules and forced feeding at
mealtimes and especially bedtimes. It bothers her to no end that I no
longer make my children eat anything they don't want to and that they
often stay up till all hours of the night to be with me. She claims
that she needs her own time to herself, so she would never stop
enforcing bedtimes. I think that's so sad because she works all day
while they're in a very regimented daycare and only sees them for a
couple of hours. Of course, they couldn't stay up too late, now,
because the daycare refuses to let them sleep for any reason outside of
the allotted nap times. UGH.
So wish us luck. She's planning to stop working when the baby's born.
Of course she's also planning to go back to school for her next career
as a acupuncturist.
She's a career woman, through and through. But she's watching my
children and she's had so many problems with issues and sickness from
the daycare. Oh, I'm so hopeful.
One thing, can anyone recommend a book or article that focuses
completely on unschooling without bashing the ps school system? That's
what she keeps asking me for and everything I have eventually or
blatantly tears into ps school.
Thanks, Heidi
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on 4/19/04 9:55 AM, SandraDodd@... at SandraDodd@... wrote:
In a message dated 4/19/04 8:45:54 AM, ynxn96@... writes:
<< One thing, can anyone recommend a book or article that focuses
completely on unschooling without bashing the ps school system? That's
what she keeps asking me for and everything I have eventually or
blatantly tears into ps school.
It is not about homeschooling or PS or unschooling per se, but I think it is
the best amalgamation of various ideas and theories about how watching your
kids and just living one's life is the best way to be. I really love this
book.
Jen
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In a message dated 4/19/04 8:45:54 AM, ynxn96@... writes:
<< One thing, can anyone recommend a book or article that focuses
completely on unschooling without bashing the ps school system? That's
what she keeps asking me for and everything I have eventually or
blatantly tears into ps school.
>>Natural Learning Rhythms by Josette and Sambatha Luvmour
It is not about homeschooling or PS or unschooling per se, but I think it is
the best amalgamation of various ideas and theories about how watching your
kids and just living one's life is the best way to be. I really love this
book.
Jen
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Laura Moseley
I don't think "The Unschooling Handbook" by Mary
Griffith bashes ps too bad.
Good Kuck,
Laura M.
--- badolbilz <ynxn96@...> wrote:
Griffith bashes ps too bad.
Good Kuck,
Laura M.
--- badolbilz <ynxn96@...> wrote:
> Our latest, possible, exciting news. My sister (who
> has a 3 yr old dd,
> a 22mth ds, and a baby due in November) has been
> asking me a lot about
> unschooling/homeschooling. We've had many debates
> on the phone, mostly
> because she thinks ALL unschoolers think only in
> black and white about
> the evil of schools and believe all kids should be
> out of school. But
> she keeps asking questions, so I'm hopeful because
> schools are evil and
> all kids should be out of school ;)
> One thing that might hold her back is that her
> in-laws were both ps
> teachers. So every book or article she borrows she
> intends to pass on
> to her mil to get her okay on it.
>
> Honestly, I don't think she could ever completely
> unschool as a
> lifestyle because she's adamant on schedules and
> forced feeding at
> mealtimes and especially bedtimes. It bothers her to
> no end that I no
> longer make my children eat anything they don't want
> to and that they
> often stay up till all hours of the night to be with
> me. She claims
> that she needs her own time to herself, so she would
> never stop
> enforcing bedtimes. I think that's so sad because
> she works all day
> while they're in a very regimented daycare and only
> sees them for a
> couple of hours. Of course, they couldn't stay up
> too late, now,
> because the daycare refuses to let them sleep for
> any reason outside of
> the allotted nap times. UGH.
>
> So wish us luck. She's planning to stop working
> when the baby's born.
> Of course she's also planning to go back to school
> for her next career
> as a acupuncturist.
> She's a career woman, through and through. But
> she's watching my
> children and she's had so many problems with issues
> and sickness from
> the daycare. Oh, I'm so hopeful.
>
> One thing, can anyone recommend a book or article
> that focuses
> completely on unschooling without bashing the ps
> school system? That's
> what she keeps asking me for and everything I have
> eventually or
> blatantly tears into ps school.
>
> Thanks, Heidi
>
>
badolbilz
SandraDodd@... wrote:
unschooling primary goals is bashing school. I know it can be hard to
see over and around the structure, both physically and figuratively, of
schooling. I would be joyfully amazed if my sister could make the
changes, but even if she did, her husband would never go for it unless
his parents okayed it or if a friend or colleague raved about it. For
him, me and my family's feelings and proof aren't enough.
In the meantime, at least she's asking questions and reading a lot.
I'll definitely recommend the books you've all mentioned. Thank you.
Heidi
>Honestly, homeschooling has pretty directly to do with public school, andThat's pretty much why she and I have our "debates." She feels one of
>that can't be done away with. The only reason rivers exist is that there's land
>on either side of them. The only reason stars show in the sky is that it's
>dark. If she's sending you on a snipe hunt, don't go. She can't have what
>doesn't exist, and homeschooling in the absence of any consideration of school
>(even if only the years of conditioning of the parents) doesn't exist.
>
>Sandra
>
>
>
>
unschooling primary goals is bashing school. I know it can be hard to
see over and around the structure, both physically and figuratively, of
schooling. I would be joyfully amazed if my sister could make the
changes, but even if she did, her husband would never go for it unless
his parents okayed it or if a friend or colleague raved about it. For
him, me and my family's feelings and proof aren't enough.
In the meantime, at least she's asking questions and reading a lot.
I'll definitely recommend the books you've all mentioned. Thank you.
Heidi
Sylvia Toyama
That's pretty much why she and I have our "debates." She feels one of
unschooling primary goals is bashing school.
******
And one of school's primary goals is bashing the real life children could live at home day after day, if not for compulsory school. School is designed to convince us all -- kids and parents alike -- that schedules, organized socialization, and grades are necessary, even good.
When people find out we're homeschoolers, they're quick to extoll the wonderful things about school, and share their concerns about what our kids are 'missing.' They try to pass that off as support for schooling, but when we we extoll the virtues of keeping our kids home, we're called school-bashers. I wonder if they see themselves as natural life-bashers. It's all about semantics and politics.
I used to fantasize about my brother and sister seeing our life and choosing to homeschool their kids. I've realized they just aren't there yet. My brother's a single dad and his kids were terribly neglected by their Mom when she had custody (he only regained custody a little less than 2 yrs ago) so they need school in a way my kids don't. My sister is very swept up in the pre-honors group her 12yo son is in and can't imagine why I wouldn't send my kids to school. She actually went to work in a daycare center when her daughter was 4 because her daughter could go along for free and it would give her playmates. What -- are there no playgroups in Ft. Worth? No other stay at home Moms with 4yo girls? Sure there are, but the unquestioned choice is easier. This way she gets 7 hrs a day (full-day kindergarten) to herself. What she does with it, I don't know -- it's not like she's involved in anything outside the house, and her house is a mess!
So I concentrate on being available to the kids. When my 15yo nephew says 'school sucks' I say, 'yeah, it does. That's why my kids don't go.' Maybe I can be the cool aunt who gives them permission to do what they want (and a copy of the Teenage Liberation Handbook!).
Syl
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unschooling primary goals is bashing school.
******
And one of school's primary goals is bashing the real life children could live at home day after day, if not for compulsory school. School is designed to convince us all -- kids and parents alike -- that schedules, organized socialization, and grades are necessary, even good.
When people find out we're homeschoolers, they're quick to extoll the wonderful things about school, and share their concerns about what our kids are 'missing.' They try to pass that off as support for schooling, but when we we extoll the virtues of keeping our kids home, we're called school-bashers. I wonder if they see themselves as natural life-bashers. It's all about semantics and politics.
I used to fantasize about my brother and sister seeing our life and choosing to homeschool their kids. I've realized they just aren't there yet. My brother's a single dad and his kids were terribly neglected by their Mom when she had custody (he only regained custody a little less than 2 yrs ago) so they need school in a way my kids don't. My sister is very swept up in the pre-honors group her 12yo son is in and can't imagine why I wouldn't send my kids to school. She actually went to work in a daycare center when her daughter was 4 because her daughter could go along for free and it would give her playmates. What -- are there no playgroups in Ft. Worth? No other stay at home Moms with 4yo girls? Sure there are, but the unquestioned choice is easier. This way she gets 7 hrs a day (full-day kindergarten) to herself. What she does with it, I don't know -- it's not like she's involved in anything outside the house, and her house is a mess!
So I concentrate on being available to the kids. When my 15yo nephew says 'school sucks' I say, 'yeah, it does. That's why my kids don't go.' Maybe I can be the cool aunt who gives them permission to do what they want (and a copy of the Teenage Liberation Handbook!).
Syl
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In a message dated 4/21/2004 12:03:34 PM Mountain Daylight Time,
sylgt04@... writes:
She feels one of
unschooling primary goals is bashing school.
------------------
I rarely think about or talk about school.
Tell her we're just trying to save the GOOD parts of school!
If she an't think of any, that will be something profound to consider. <g>
I like the availablility of books, the playing with other kids, the haing
people who will answer questions, people who are interested in the world. Music
art. Other people.
You can get all that outside of school and those are the good parts.
Sandra
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sylgt04@... writes:
She feels one of
unschooling primary goals is bashing school.
------------------
I rarely think about or talk about school.
Tell her we're just trying to save the GOOD parts of school!
If she an't think of any, that will be something profound to consider. <g>
I like the availablility of books, the playing with other kids, the haing
people who will answer questions, people who are interested in the world. Music
art. Other people.
You can get all that outside of school and those are the good parts.
Sandra
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