Who can't unschool? (a hard question)
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There was a little discussion on another list that turned to the idea that
there was a group of unschoolers saying who could and couldn't unschool. It's
been making me think. A thought made me get out of bed and come and write when
I should be sleeping. But it wasn't we were saying "We won't let you," we
were saying, "If you believe thus and such more than you believe your child is a
natural natural-learner, unschooling won't work."
This difficult sort of question has been on the edge of every discussion I've
been in since I was first on *Prodigy and reading newsgroups in the days when
computers were in black and white. Does someone else saying you can make
you able to? No. Does someone else saying you can't prevent you? No. What
will enable a person to do ANYthing? Talent, interest, ability, desire,
action—things like that.
I'm not a
there was a group of unschoolers saying who could and couldn't unschool. It's
been making me think. A thought made me get out of bed and come and write when
I should be sleeping. But it wasn't we were saying "We won't let you," we
were saying, "If you believe thus and such more than you believe your child is a
natural natural-learner, unschooling won't work."
This difficult sort of question has been on the edge of every discussion I've
been in since I was first on *Prodigy and reading newsgroups in the days when
computers were in black and white. Does someone else saying you can make
you able to? No. Does someone else saying you can't prevent you? No. What
will enable a person to do ANYthing? Talent, interest, ability, desire,
action—things like that.
I'm not a
joylyn
I'm interested in you finishing this post.
I do think not everyone can homeschool. Fewer can unschool. I used to
think the oposite but since working in the school where I work, I have
changed my views. One cannot make a choice if they do not know they
have a choice.
Joylyn
SandraDodd@... wrote:
I do think not everyone can homeschool. Fewer can unschool. I used to
think the oposite but since working in the school where I work, I have
changed my views. One cannot make a choice if they do not know they
have a choice.
Joylyn
SandraDodd@... wrote:
> There was a little discussion on another list that turned to the idea[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> that
> there was a group of unschoolers saying who could and couldn't
> unschool. It's
> been making me think. A thought made me get out of bed and come and
> write when
> I should be sleeping. But it wasn't we were saying "We won't let
> you," we
> were saying, "If you believe thus and such more than you believe your
> child is a
> natural natural-learner, unschooling won't work."
>
> This difficult sort of question has been on the edge of every
> discussion I've
> been in since I was first on *Prodigy and reading newsgroups in the
> days when
> computers were in black and white. Does someone else saying you can
> make
> you able to? No. Does someone else saying you can't prevent you?
> No. What
> will enable a person to do ANYthing? Talent, interest, ability, desire,
> action—things like that.
>
> I'm not a
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In a message dated 1/26/04 7:47:49 AM, joylyn@... writes:
<< I'm interested in you finishing this post. >>
ack! It got chopped?
I'll try again.
<< I'm interested in you finishing this post. >>
ack! It got chopped?
I'll try again.
Wife2Vegman
--- SandraDodd@... wrote:
I had the funniest image of your head hitting the
keyboard at that point, fast asleep, accidently
hitting the send key (since you said you had gotten
out of bed to write it out).
I hope you find time to finish the post.
Susan
(in snowy VA, wondering how the list member in
Williamsburg is doing)
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> There was a little discussion on another list thatSandra,
> turned to the idea that
> there was a group of unschoolers saying who could
> and couldn't unschool. It's
> been making me think. A thought made me get out of
> bed and come and write when
> I should be sleeping. But it wasn't we were saying
> "We won't let you," we
> were saying, "If you believe thus and such more than
> you believe your child is a
> natural natural-learner, unschooling won't work."
>
> This difficult sort of question has been on the edge
> of every discussion I've
> been in since I was first on *Prodigy and reading
> newsgroups in the days when
> computers were in black and white. Does someone
> else saying you can make
> you able to? No. Does someone else saying you
> can't prevent you? No. What
> will enable a person to do ANYthing? Talent,
> interest, ability, desire,
> action���things like that.
>
> I'm not a
>
I had the funniest image of your head hitting the
keyboard at that point, fast asleep, accidently
hitting the send key (since you said you had gotten
out of bed to write it out).
I hope you find time to finish the post.
Susan
(in snowy VA, wondering how the list member in
Williamsburg is doing)
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In a message dated 1/26/04 7:47:49 AM, joylyn@... writes:
<< I'm interested in you finishing this post. >>
---------------------it was truncated before; I hope this is it
now:--------------------------
There was a little discussion on another list that turned to the idea that
there was a group of unschoolers saying who could and couldn't unschool. It's
been making me think. A thought made me get out of bed and come and write when
I should be sleeping. But it wasn't we were saying "We won't let you," we
were saying, "If you believe thus and such more than you believe your child is a
natural natural-learner, unschooling won't work."
This difficult sort of question has been on the edge of every discussion I've
been in since I was first on *Prodigy and reading newsgroups in the days when
computers were in black and white. Does someone
el
<< I'm interested in you finishing this post. >>
---------------------it was truncated before; I hope this is it
now:--------------------------
There was a little discussion on another list that turned to the idea that
there was a group of unschoolers saying who could and couldn't unschool. It's
been making me think. A thought made me get out of bed and come and write when
I should be sleeping. But it wasn't we were saying "We won't let you," we
were saying, "If you believe thus and such more than you believe your child is a
natural natural-learner, unschooling won't work."
This difficult sort of question has been on the edge of every discussion I've
been in since I was first on *Prodigy and reading newsgroups in the days when
computers were in black and white. Does someone
el
catherine aceto
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Sent: Monday, January 26, 2004 8:48 AM
Subject: [AlwaysLearning] Who can't unschool? (a hard question)
There was a little discussion on another list that turned to the idea that
there was a group of unschoolers saying who could and couldn't unschool. It's
been making me think.
*****************************
It is a hard and interesting question.
I am always surprised when someone online reacts as if someone else's pronouncements online (or anywhere else, really) could have so much weight in the reader's own life. It makes no sense to think (as many clearly do) that "can't unschool" means "we won't let you" because "we" don't have that power. Really -- what could "can't" unschool mean, but that in the writer's opinion it won't work.
But then, what does "won't work" mean? What does it mean to say that unschooling is "working." For me "working" has two components - living a joyful, interesting, wonder-filled life with my children and also allowing them to grow into adults who trust themselves in all matters of living (including learning).
Yeah - I do think that certain attitudes/beliefs/constraints would prevent someone from reaching either of those goals.
But if "working" just means the (IMO) more conventionally-schooly goal of having children reach the age of 18 having acquired certain skills/information - perhaps ones of the child's choosing for some people, perhaps not for others. In this case, then, is unschooling is just a technique of teaching without a curriculum or required activities? I don't have any experience or opinion on whether that kind of "unschooling" would "work" to reach that kind of goal or not. Or whether certain attititudes or beliefs would hinder or help it.
This really does seem to come up over and over and over again, doesn't it? And I've only been reading/posting for about 6 months.
-Cat
That unschooling is just a different way of presenting them with the information/experiences needed to acquire those skills/information. I guess what I am saying -- is "unschooling" merely a technique, independent of goals. From: SandraDodd@...
A thought made me get out of bed and come and write when
I should be sleeping. But it wasn't we were saying "We won't let you," we
were saying, "If you believe thus and such more than you believe your child is a
natural natural-learner, unschooling won't work."
This difficult sort of question has been on the edge of every discussion I've
been in since I was first on *Prodigy and reading newsgroups in the days when
computers were in black and white. Does someone else saying you can make
you able to? No. Does someone else saying you can't prevent you? No. What
will enable a person to do ANYthing? Talent, interest, ability, desire,
action—things like that.
I'm not a
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Subject: [AlwaysLearning] Who can't unschool? (a hard question)
There was a little discussion on another list that turned to the idea that
there was a group of unschoolers saying who could and couldn't unschool. It's
been making me think.
*****************************
It is a hard and interesting question.
I am always surprised when someone online reacts as if someone else's pronouncements online (or anywhere else, really) could have so much weight in the reader's own life. It makes no sense to think (as many clearly do) that "can't unschool" means "we won't let you" because "we" don't have that power. Really -- what could "can't" unschool mean, but that in the writer's opinion it won't work.
But then, what does "won't work" mean? What does it mean to say that unschooling is "working." For me "working" has two components - living a joyful, interesting, wonder-filled life with my children and also allowing them to grow into adults who trust themselves in all matters of living (including learning).
Yeah - I do think that certain attitudes/beliefs/constraints would prevent someone from reaching either of those goals.
But if "working" just means the (IMO) more conventionally-schooly goal of having children reach the age of 18 having acquired certain skills/information - perhaps ones of the child's choosing for some people, perhaps not for others. In this case, then, is unschooling is just a technique of teaching without a curriculum or required activities? I don't have any experience or opinion on whether that kind of "unschooling" would "work" to reach that kind of goal or not. Or whether certain attititudes or beliefs would hinder or help it.
This really does seem to come up over and over and over again, doesn't it? And I've only been reading/posting for about 6 months.
-Cat
That unschooling is just a different way of presenting them with the information/experiences needed to acquire those skills/information. I guess what I am saying -- is "unschooling" merely a technique, independent of goals. From: SandraDodd@...
A thought made me get out of bed and come and write when
I should be sleeping. But it wasn't we were saying "We won't let you," we
were saying, "If you believe thus and such more than you believe your child is a
natural natural-learner, unschooling won't work."
This difficult sort of question has been on the edge of every discussion I've
been in since I was first on *Prodigy and reading newsgroups in the days when
computers were in black and white. Does someone else saying you can make
you able to? No. Does someone else saying you can't prevent you? No. What
will enable a person to do ANYthing? Talent, interest, ability, desire,
action—things like that.
I'm not a
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--Susan in VA
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> In a message dated 1/26/04 7:47:49 AM,If at first you don't succeed...try try again. ;-)
> joylyn@... writes:
> << I'm interested in you finishing this post. >>
> ---------------------it was truncated before; I hope
> this is it
> now:--------------------------
>
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--Susan in VA
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What is most important and valuable about the home as a base for children's growth into the world is not that it is a better school than the schools, but that it isn't a school at all. John Holt
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<< I'm interested in you finishing this post. >>
there was even less of your original post!
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> this is it
> now:--------------------------
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there was even less of your original post!
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