TWO scary Halloween things
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Marty went as a broken condom. That's scary two ways.
Holly went with other unschoolers. One woman said "Did you kids have fun at
school today?"
Holly said "I didn't go to school today."
The woman indicated curiosity (vague in the report) and Holly said they were
homeschooled.
She said "Well you don't know what you're missing!! I'm a teacher!"
Huh. I thought that was weird (more trick than treat) and time passed, and
when I was with Holly in the bed in the dark (the boys were spending the night
in another town, having driven to a party), she said "I should go to school
next year."
Me, suave and cool, which is easier in the dark:
"Okay. Why?"
"For the experience."
Luckily it was true that I was really really tired, so I said we should talk
more about that another day.
Isn't that scary!???
Sandra
Holly went with other unschoolers. One woman said "Did you kids have fun at
school today?"
Holly said "I didn't go to school today."
The woman indicated curiosity (vague in the report) and Holly said they were
homeschooled.
She said "Well you don't know what you're missing!! I'm a teacher!"
Huh. I thought that was weird (more trick than treat) and time passed, and
when I was with Holly in the bed in the dark (the boys were spending the night
in another town, having driven to a party), she said "I should go to school
next year."
Me, suave and cool, which is easier in the dark:
"Okay. Why?"
"For the experience."
Luckily it was true that I was really really tired, so I said we should talk
more about that another day.
Isn't that scary!???
Sandra
joylyn
SandraDodd@... wrote:
But Lexie needed a "school" experience, and it helped her to NEVER want
to go back. Of course, it was with a bunch of (christain) homeschoolers
who pickedo n her cause she was the only black kid with glasses they'd
ever seen (I only heard this afterwards!) and there was a great deal of
misbehaving and very little learning, oh wait--that is a real school
experience, she just had it one day a week for a semester instead of
five days a week.
Lexie went trickor treating as a gymnist. Janene as Tinkerbell. This
is the very first year both my girls went as relatively female
characters. Last year Lexie was a dictionary and Janene was Dobby. The
year before Janene was a pirate and Lexie was something else masculine. :-)
Joylyn
> Marty went as a broken condom. That's scary two ways.Please describe his costume...
>I hate that question.
>
>
> Holly went with other unschoolers. One woman said "Did you kids have
> fun at
> school today?"
>Yeah....
> Holly said "I didn't go to school today."
>
> The woman indicated curiosity (vague in the report) and Holly said
> they were
> homeschooled.
>
> She said "Well you don't know what you're missing!! I'm a teacher!"
>
> Huh. I thought that was weird (more trick than treat) and time
> passed, and
> when I was with Holly in the bed in the dark (the boys were spending
> the night
> in another town, having driven to a party), she said "I should go to
> school
> next year."
>
> Me, suave and cool, which is easier in the dark:
> "Okay. Why?"
>
> "For the experience."
>
> Luckily it was true that I was really really tired, so I said we
> should talk
> more about that another day.
>
> Isn't that scary!???
But Lexie needed a "school" experience, and it helped her to NEVER want
to go back. Of course, it was with a bunch of (christain) homeschoolers
who pickedo n her cause she was the only black kid with glasses they'd
ever seen (I only heard this afterwards!) and there was a great deal of
misbehaving and very little learning, oh wait--that is a real school
experience, she just had it one day a week for a semester instead of
five days a week.
Lexie went trickor treating as a gymnist. Janene as Tinkerbell. This
is the very first year both my girls went as relatively female
characters. Last year Lexie was a dictionary and Janene was Dobby. The
year before Janene was a pirate and Lexie was something else masculine. :-)
Joylyn
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SandraDodd@... wrote:
We did halloween for the second time in their little lives, third if you count the time they couldn't remember. They had so much fun trick or treating, and the make up! Poor kids, I denied them halloween fun for some dumb reasons. I'm so sorry, I almost started crying last night just watching them.
He did not know what the movie was about. It made him sleepy and tired poor thing. If this was my Caitlin I could here it now. Excuse me Mrs. Cappel, Caitlin keeps having outbursts about how terribly boring and stupid everything we do is. Even though its truth, she can't say that LOL. Caitlin 10,and Alyssa 12 would be interested in instant messaging Holly if she would like more friends online that unschool.
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> Marty went as a broken condom. That's scary two ways.My dd April said OMG, and she smiled. He's crazy.
We did halloween for the second time in their little lives, third if you count the time they couldn't remember. They had so much fun trick or treating, and the make up! Poor kids, I denied them halloween fun for some dumb reasons. I'm so sorry, I almost started crying last night just watching them.
>I asked a young boy down the street the other day "What was your day like?" Sweet thing, he looked at me blankly and said "my day?" and I repeated "yes Your day". (you mean I have a day?) Well he said, "we went out on the playground, came in, did some work and then watched a movie.
>
>
> Holly went with other unschoolers. One woman said "Did you kids have
> fun at
> school today?"
He did not know what the movie was about. It made him sleepy and tired poor thing. If this was my Caitlin I could here it now. Excuse me Mrs. Cappel, Caitlin keeps having outbursts about how terribly boring and stupid everything we do is. Even though its truth, she can't say that LOL. Caitlin 10,and Alyssa 12 would be interested in instant messaging Holly if she would like more friends online that unschool.
>But you are too?
> Holly said "I didn't go to school today."
>
> The woman indicated curiosity (vague in the report) and Holly said
> they were
> homeschooled.
>
> She said "Well you don't know what you're missing!! I'm a teacher!"
>
> Huh. I thought that was weird (more trick than treat) and timeYes, I shudder to think of it. I don't think it would take long to see home is better. Stepheny
> passed, and
> when I was with Holly in the bed in the dark (the boys were spending
> the night
> in another town, having driven to a party), she said "I should go to
> school
> next year."
>
> Me, suave and cool, which is easier in the dark:
> "Okay. Why?"
>
> "For the experience."
>
> Luckily it was true that I was really really tired, so I said we
> should talk
> more about that another day.
>
> Isn't that scary!???
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Fetteroll
on 11/1/03 3:16 PM, SandraDodd@... at SandraDodd@... wrote:
days, but you just discussed this (message board? Yes! to the unschooler who
had "issues" with unschooling) and pointed out that she didn't have more
experience just because she'd been on the receiving end of unschooling and
not the doing end. Just as schoolers only know school, always-unschooled
kids only know unschooling.
And that's true. The strongest, most vocal advocates for unschooling are the
people who have experienced both. We know why it's better. Our kids will
only know it as a good childhood. (Well, Kat had 2 months of school so does
have some point of reference but it won't have the same power of persuasion
as 12 years in the system.)
Our kids will be great models of what unschooling can do, but those who've
only been unschooled won't be great advocates. They can't be. They will have
experienced the other side of the coin from schooled kids, but neither will
have experienced both sides.
It's just something that is.
Joyce
> Me, suave and cool, which is easier in the dark:I'm getting all confuzzled over which threads are where in the last few
> "Okay. Why?"
>
> "For the experience."
days, but you just discussed this (message board? Yes! to the unschooler who
had "issues" with unschooling) and pointed out that she didn't have more
experience just because she'd been on the receiving end of unschooling and
not the doing end. Just as schoolers only know school, always-unschooled
kids only know unschooling.
And that's true. The strongest, most vocal advocates for unschooling are the
people who have experienced both. We know why it's better. Our kids will
only know it as a good childhood. (Well, Kat had 2 months of school so does
have some point of reference but it won't have the same power of persuasion
as 12 years in the system.)
Our kids will be great models of what unschooling can do, but those who've
only been unschooled won't be great advocates. They can't be. They will have
experienced the other side of the coin from schooled kids, but neither will
have experienced both sides.
It's just something that is.
Joyce
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In a message dated 11/1/03 2:04:00 PM, joylyn@... writes:
<< > Marty went as a broken condom. That's scary two ways.
Please describe his costume... >>
He had his head newly shaved and he wore a pretty nice rooster mask Keith won
at a work party a couple of Christmases ago.
He wore thermal underwear, and over that his main costume piece, a long
plastic bag. Heavy plastic. I'm guessing it was over a wooden filing cabinet or
some such. It fit him shoulders to ankles.
He had asked me for help figuring out how to make shoes out of volleyballs.
It wasn't going to work the way he was hoping. So I suggested fastening balls
(playground/foursquare balls) on the front of his ankle somehow. Our
brainstorming led to cloth bags to fasten behind his leg and under his shoe. It
nearly worked. We shopped in the bridal section for something nettish that the
balls would show through. GUESS WHAT COLOR!? Yeah. And so we got tulle and
when we got to the counter there was exactly matching blue velcro! ("She
wore bulooooo Velcro, bluer than Velcro was the night...")
He ended up buying blue duct tape to hold the bottom part under his shoe.
It wasn't a great design, but when a kid wears a costume to a party, it only
has to be in perfect condition right at the beginning.
That party they went to started with a scavenger hunt. The hostess, knowing
everyone pretty well, divided them into three teams so that each team had a
driver legal to drive more than one other person, and each had someone from the
little towns around there (Edgewood/Stanley/Moriarty). I haven't heard the
whole scavenger list, but it couldn't be anything already in the car or at
their house. They got a kit which includeda points for orange), an egg, two rolls
of toilet paper, a carrot, maybe some other stuff, and road kill (highest
points). The plastic bag was for the road kill.
Kirby's team found a dead rabbit.
Marty's team trick-or-treated at a house, and when they guy came they asked
him if they could please have an egg and a carrot instead of candy. He gave
them to them!
Everybody got a grave rubbing. One team went to a pet cemetary and did a
dog's gravestone. Marty's team found someone born in 1882 or so. Died in the
1980's, over 100 years old.
Sandra
<< > Marty went as a broken condom. That's scary two ways.
Please describe his costume... >>
He had his head newly shaved and he wore a pretty nice rooster mask Keith won
at a work party a couple of Christmases ago.
He wore thermal underwear, and over that his main costume piece, a long
plastic bag. Heavy plastic. I'm guessing it was over a wooden filing cabinet or
some such. It fit him shoulders to ankles.
He had asked me for help figuring out how to make shoes out of volleyballs.
It wasn't going to work the way he was hoping. So I suggested fastening balls
(playground/foursquare balls) on the front of his ankle somehow. Our
brainstorming led to cloth bags to fasten behind his leg and under his shoe. It
nearly worked. We shopped in the bridal section for something nettish that the
balls would show through. GUESS WHAT COLOR!? Yeah. And so we got tulle and
when we got to the counter there was exactly matching blue velcro! ("She
wore bulooooo Velcro, bluer than Velcro was the night...")
He ended up buying blue duct tape to hold the bottom part under his shoe.
It wasn't a great design, but when a kid wears a costume to a party, it only
has to be in perfect condition right at the beginning.
That party they went to started with a scavenger hunt. The hostess, knowing
everyone pretty well, divided them into three teams so that each team had a
driver legal to drive more than one other person, and each had someone from the
little towns around there (Edgewood/Stanley/Moriarty). I haven't heard the
whole scavenger list, but it couldn't be anything already in the car or at
their house. They got a kit which includeda points for orange), an egg, two rolls
of toilet paper, a carrot, maybe some other stuff, and road kill (highest
points). The plastic bag was for the road kill.
Kirby's team found a dead rabbit.
Marty's team trick-or-treated at a house, and when they guy came they asked
him if they could please have an egg and a carrot instead of candy. He gave
them to them!
Everybody got a grave rubbing. One team went to a pet cemetary and did a
dog's gravestone. Marty's team found someone born in 1882 or so. Died in the
1980's, over 100 years old.
Sandra
[email protected]
In a message dated 11/1/03 2:04:00 PM, joylyn@... writes:
<< > Marty went as a broken condom. That's scary two ways.
Please describe his costume... >>
He had his head newly shaved and he wore a pretty nice rooster mask Keith won
at a work party a couple of Christmases ago.
He wore thermal underwear, and over that his main costume piece, a long
plastic bag. Heavy plastic. I'm guessing it was over a wooden filing cabinet or
some such. It fit him shoulders to ankles.
He had asked me for help figuring out how to make shoes out of volleyballs.
It wasn't going to work the way he was hoping. So I suggested fastening balls
(playground/foursquare balls) on the front of his ankle somehow. Our
brainstorming led to cloth bags to fasten behind his leg and under his shoe. It
nearly worked. We shopped in the bridal section for something nettish that the
balls would show through. GUESS WHAT COLOR!? Yeah. And so we got tulle and
when we got to the counter there was exactly matching blue velcro! ("She
wore bulooooo Velcro, bluer than Velcro was the night...")
He ended up buying blue duct tape to hold the bottom part under his shoe.
It wasn't a great design, but when a kid wears a costume to a party, it only
has to be in perfect condition right at the beginning.
That party they went to started with a scavenger hunt. The hostess, knowing
everyone pretty well, divided them into three teams so that each team had a
driver legal to drive more than one other person, and each had someone from the
little towns around there (Edgewood/Stanley/Moriarty). I haven't heard the
whole scavenger list, but it couldn't be anything already in the car or at
their house. They got a kit which included a plastic bag, a paper bag, a crayon
and a piece of paper. They needed rubbing of a gravestone, a sock (extra
points for orange), an egg, two rolls of toilet paper, a carrot, maybe some other
stuff, and road kill (highest points). The plastic bag was for the road kill.
Kirby's team found a dead rabbit.
Marty's team trick-or-treated at a house, and when they guy came they asked
him if they could please have an egg and a carrot instead of candy. He gave
them to them!
Everybody got a grave rubbing. One team went to a pet cemetary and did a
dog's gravestone. Marty's team found someone born in 1882 or so. Died in the
1980's, over 100 years old.
Sandra
<< > Marty went as a broken condom. That's scary two ways.
Please describe his costume... >>
He had his head newly shaved and he wore a pretty nice rooster mask Keith won
at a work party a couple of Christmases ago.
He wore thermal underwear, and over that his main costume piece, a long
plastic bag. Heavy plastic. I'm guessing it was over a wooden filing cabinet or
some such. It fit him shoulders to ankles.
He had asked me for help figuring out how to make shoes out of volleyballs.
It wasn't going to work the way he was hoping. So I suggested fastening balls
(playground/foursquare balls) on the front of his ankle somehow. Our
brainstorming led to cloth bags to fasten behind his leg and under his shoe. It
nearly worked. We shopped in the bridal section for something nettish that the
balls would show through. GUESS WHAT COLOR!? Yeah. And so we got tulle and
when we got to the counter there was exactly matching blue velcro! ("She
wore bulooooo Velcro, bluer than Velcro was the night...")
He ended up buying blue duct tape to hold the bottom part under his shoe.
It wasn't a great design, but when a kid wears a costume to a party, it only
has to be in perfect condition right at the beginning.
That party they went to started with a scavenger hunt. The hostess, knowing
everyone pretty well, divided them into three teams so that each team had a
driver legal to drive more than one other person, and each had someone from the
little towns around there (Edgewood/Stanley/Moriarty). I haven't heard the
whole scavenger list, but it couldn't be anything already in the car or at
their house. They got a kit which included a plastic bag, a paper bag, a crayon
and a piece of paper. They needed rubbing of a gravestone, a sock (extra
points for orange), an egg, two rolls of toilet paper, a carrot, maybe some other
stuff, and road kill (highest points). The plastic bag was for the road kill.
Kirby's team found a dead rabbit.
Marty's team trick-or-treated at a house, and when they guy came they asked
him if they could please have an egg and a carrot instead of candy. He gave
them to them!
Everybody got a grave rubbing. One team went to a pet cemetary and did a
dog's gravestone. Marty's team found someone born in 1882 or so. Died in the
1980's, over 100 years old.
Sandra
[email protected]
In a message dated 11/1/03 2:20:47 PM, fetteroll@... writes:
<< Just as schoolers only know school, always-unschooled
kids only know unschooling.
<<And that's true. The strongest, most vocal advocates for unschooling are the
people who have experienced both. >>
I know. It wouldn't kill Holly to go to school (well I meant that
figuratively, and I don't want to think about literally) AND I don't think she'd stay
too long. But I don't want to "have interface" with them. I had a friend once
say I was homeschooling selfishly, for my sake not Kirby's. It wasn't true.
But this one might be true. I don't want to mess with school. I can hardly
stand to mess with some of the other homeschoolers sometimes with their snarky
comments about making kids "do their work," or like tonight a couple who
came to check on their kid (one of the youngest, and they checked halfway through
because they were in the neighborhood). He was ALL excited about something
downstairs and said "COME LOOK AT THIS THING!" and his mom immediately said
"No." And she meant it. And she seems to think consistency is more important
than reason. He said "Please?" and pulled her hand. She pulled away and said
no. The dad said if it was Barbieland he'd seen it. "Trust me, I've seen
it," he said and said the sister's name (who couldn't make the party) had shown
it to him at least three times.
As far as I know the man has never been in my home. MAYBE he saw Barbieland
once when I wasn't home. But "Trust me" from a dad who's lying because he's
too lazy to walk ten steps and spend five minutes looking at something his
child is excited about is infuriating.
So if I can't deal with invited homeschoolers how would I deal with parents
of other kids, with teachers who are DYING to 'prove' homeschoolers aren't
going to keep up or whatever?
But Holly has visited school before three times, and she was REALLY excited
and has discussed the minutest details of those days, as though she were an
anthropologist studying a newly discovered Amazon tribe.
I don't think she'll want to go, and I think if she does go she won't stay
long, but sheesh!!! Sheesh.
I could use having a few days of no sickness, no deadlines, no hospital
visits, no emptying my mom's cathether bag... Holly thinking of school sounds
like more of THAT stuff.
Maybe she was just trying to give me a big Halloween scare.
She did it.
Sandra
<< Just as schoolers only know school, always-unschooled
kids only know unschooling.
<<And that's true. The strongest, most vocal advocates for unschooling are the
people who have experienced both. >>
I know. It wouldn't kill Holly to go to school (well I meant that
figuratively, and I don't want to think about literally) AND I don't think she'd stay
too long. But I don't want to "have interface" with them. I had a friend once
say I was homeschooling selfishly, for my sake not Kirby's. It wasn't true.
But this one might be true. I don't want to mess with school. I can hardly
stand to mess with some of the other homeschoolers sometimes with their snarky
comments about making kids "do their work," or like tonight a couple who
came to check on their kid (one of the youngest, and they checked halfway through
because they were in the neighborhood). He was ALL excited about something
downstairs and said "COME LOOK AT THIS THING!" and his mom immediately said
"No." And she meant it. And she seems to think consistency is more important
than reason. He said "Please?" and pulled her hand. She pulled away and said
no. The dad said if it was Barbieland he'd seen it. "Trust me, I've seen
it," he said and said the sister's name (who couldn't make the party) had shown
it to him at least three times.
As far as I know the man has never been in my home. MAYBE he saw Barbieland
once when I wasn't home. But "Trust me" from a dad who's lying because he's
too lazy to walk ten steps and spend five minutes looking at something his
child is excited about is infuriating.
So if I can't deal with invited homeschoolers how would I deal with parents
of other kids, with teachers who are DYING to 'prove' homeschoolers aren't
going to keep up or whatever?
But Holly has visited school before three times, and she was REALLY excited
and has discussed the minutest details of those days, as though she were an
anthropologist studying a newly discovered Amazon tribe.
I don't think she'll want to go, and I think if she does go she won't stay
long, but sheesh!!! Sheesh.
I could use having a few days of no sickness, no deadlines, no hospital
visits, no emptying my mom's cathether bag... Holly thinking of school sounds
like more of THAT stuff.
Maybe she was just trying to give me a big Halloween scare.
She did it.
Sandra
[email protected]
In a message dated 11/1/03 2:24:05 PM, stephc62@... writes:
<< Caitlin 10,and Alyssa 12 would be interested in instant messaging Holly if
she would like more friends online that unschool.
and I said I guess when you organize one! Pick a time that's not next Friday
and I bet she can be there. HollDollDodd@...
Sandra
<< Caitlin 10,and Alyssa 12 would be interested in instant messaging Holly if
she would like more friends online that unschool.
> >>She asked me just last week when there would be another homeschooling chat,
and I said I guess when you organize one! Pick a time that's not next Friday
and I bet she can be there. HollDollDodd@...
Sandra
[email protected]
In a message dated 11/1/03 10:23:51 PM Central Standard Time,
SandraDodd@... writes:
In a message dated 11/1/03 2:24:05 PM, stephc62@... writes:
<< Caitlin 10,and Alyssa 12 would be interested in instant messaging Holly if
she would like more friends online that unschool.
and I said I guess when you organize one! Pick a time that's not next
Friday
and I bet she can be there. HollDollDodd@...
Sandra
############
And Moly would always welcome more emailing with other kids too. I promised
her I would help her set up a chat since the last one went so well... I've been
busy and I've put her off, which I shouldn't do especially now when she is at
a difficult time in her life. I'm having surgery in just over a week and so I
need to set one up soon. So tell Holly and Caitlin and Alyssa and any others
interested I will attempt to set one up sometime this week. GirlOracle@...
~Nancy
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SandraDodd@... writes:
In a message dated 11/1/03 2:24:05 PM, stephc62@... writes:
<< Caitlin 10,and Alyssa 12 would be interested in instant messaging Holly if
she would like more friends online that unschool.
> >>She asked me just last week when there would be another homeschooling chat,
and I said I guess when you organize one! Pick a time that's not next
Friday
and I bet she can be there. HollDollDodd@...
Sandra
############
And Moly would always welcome more emailing with other kids too. I promised
her I would help her set up a chat since the last one went so well... I've been
busy and I've put her off, which I shouldn't do especially now when she is at
a difficult time in her life. I'm having surgery in just over a week and so I
need to set one up soon. So tell Holly and Caitlin and Alyssa and any others
interested I will attempt to set one up sometime this week. GirlOracle@...
~Nancy
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Julie
Sandra wrote:
<<[...]when I was with Holly in the bed in the dark (the boys were spending the night in another town, having driven to a party), she said "I should go to school next year."
Me, suave and cool, which is easier in the dark:
"Okay. Why?"
"For the experience."
Luckily it was true that I was really really tired, so I said we should talk more about that another day.
Isn't that scary!???>>
So she'll go, see what a police state it is, and then leave. Right?
Julie
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<<[...]when I was with Holly in the bed in the dark (the boys were spending the night in another town, having driven to a party), she said "I should go to school next year."
Me, suave and cool, which is easier in the dark:
"Okay. Why?"
"For the experience."
Luckily it was true that I was really really tired, so I said we should talk more about that another day.
Isn't that scary!???>>
So she'll go, see what a police state it is, and then leave. Right?
Julie
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Julie
Sandra wrote:
<<So if I can't deal with invited homeschoolers how would I deal with parents of other kids, with teachers who are DYING to 'prove' homeschoolers aren't going to keep up or whatever?
But Holly has visited school before three times, and she was REALLY excited and has discussed the minutest details of those days, as though she were an anthropologist studying a newly discovered Amazon tribe.
I don't think she'll want to go, and I think if she does go she won't stay
long, but sheesh!!! Sheesh.>>
I'll add a YIKES to your sheesh! As a former teacher, I definitely hear you on the teachers-on-a-mission issue. Whenever a kid transferred to our high school from an alternative school or entered school after homeschooling, many of my colleagues just couldn't wait to point out all the poor student's "deficiencies." Much catty talk ensued about how "those people" are ruining their children's lives, so I understand your dread.
I would always tell my fellow teachers--with a big smile, of course--about how I planned to homeschool (wouldn't even understand the word "unschool") any kids I may have. Those homeschoolers were some of the most alive, interesting students in my classroom. ("My" classroom -- shudder.)
When I left, I explained my reasons for doing so as clearly as possible to my students. This is what one former homeschooler, new to schooling, wrote to me:
"I enjoyed having you as a teacher so much! You are the first person that trusted me to make my own decisions for myself w/o really being accountable for everything. I will always rember your philosophies, and may even use them a mom someday! Thank-you for sharing! Good luck on your future. I'm sure it will be a good one!"
Anyhow, if it's any consolation, maybe Holly will brighten some poor, half-insane teacher's day. Maybe she can anonymously leave copies of Llewellyn's Teenage Liberation Handbook in the bathroom. Maybe she could start the STLF (Student and Teacher Liberation Front). Maybe...the possibilities are endless. :)
Julie
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<<So if I can't deal with invited homeschoolers how would I deal with parents of other kids, with teachers who are DYING to 'prove' homeschoolers aren't going to keep up or whatever?
But Holly has visited school before three times, and she was REALLY excited and has discussed the minutest details of those days, as though she were an anthropologist studying a newly discovered Amazon tribe.
I don't think she'll want to go, and I think if she does go she won't stay
long, but sheesh!!! Sheesh.>>
I'll add a YIKES to your sheesh! As a former teacher, I definitely hear you on the teachers-on-a-mission issue. Whenever a kid transferred to our high school from an alternative school or entered school after homeschooling, many of my colleagues just couldn't wait to point out all the poor student's "deficiencies." Much catty talk ensued about how "those people" are ruining their children's lives, so I understand your dread.
I would always tell my fellow teachers--with a big smile, of course--about how I planned to homeschool (wouldn't even understand the word "unschool") any kids I may have. Those homeschoolers were some of the most alive, interesting students in my classroom. ("My" classroom -- shudder.)
When I left, I explained my reasons for doing so as clearly as possible to my students. This is what one former homeschooler, new to schooling, wrote to me:
"I enjoyed having you as a teacher so much! You are the first person that trusted me to make my own decisions for myself w/o really being accountable for everything. I will always rember your philosophies, and may even use them a mom someday! Thank-you for sharing! Good luck on your future. I'm sure it will be a good one!"
Anyhow, if it's any consolation, maybe Holly will brighten some poor, half-insane teacher's day. Maybe she can anonymously leave copies of Llewellyn's Teenage Liberation Handbook in the bathroom. Maybe she could start the STLF (Student and Teacher Liberation Front). Maybe...the possibilities are endless. :)
Julie
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analisa_r
How old is Holly? Good job staying suave and cool! You are almost
certainly right that she will perceive a police state and want to
come back home...but if she doesn't feel that way, you can trust that
you have taught her well and she will use good judgement in the
experience.
Analisa, on modified bedrest in TX
Meg 12/12/01
Patrick Nicholas & Catherine Constance EDD 1/26/04
http://pages.ivillage.com/analisa_roche
certainly right that she will perceive a police state and want to
come back home...but if she doesn't feel that way, you can trust that
you have taught her well and she will use good judgement in the
experience.
Analisa, on modified bedrest in TX
Meg 12/12/01
Patrick Nicholas & Catherine Constance EDD 1/26/04
http://pages.ivillage.com/analisa_roche
--- In [email protected], "Julie" <jlist@r...> wrote:
> Sandra wrote:
> <<[...]when I was with Holly in the bed in the dark (the boys were
spending the night in another town, having driven to a party), she
said "I should go to school next year."
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In a message dated 11/2/03 12:45:09 PM, analisa_roche@... writes:
<< How old is Holly? >>
Twelve as of today. She would be a sixth grader this year, I think. Maybe
7th. I don't know what the birthday cutoff is these years.
She said "next year" when she mentioned it, and maybe by next year or next
week she'll have no further interest in it, but I figured we could find out
where the nearest middle school is (I don't even know, but right at this moment
there are three kids upstairs who went there, one who might still). I have a
friend who works at a private school, teaching history. Maybe I could ask her
if Holly could go for a week trial-run or something--to see who I'd have to
ask and what it would cost, and whether they'd be willing to let a homeschooler
have a limited run without razzing the hell out of her.
Maybe we could park near the midschool a time or two as kids are coming and
going and she could watch them and see what she thinks. She does a lot of
her impression getting on an emotional level. If the look/feel like they're
having fun, she'll be intrigued. If they seem mean or unhappy, she won't be.
Sandra
<< How old is Holly? >>
Twelve as of today. She would be a sixth grader this year, I think. Maybe
7th. I don't know what the birthday cutoff is these years.
She said "next year" when she mentioned it, and maybe by next year or next
week she'll have no further interest in it, but I figured we could find out
where the nearest middle school is (I don't even know, but right at this moment
there are three kids upstairs who went there, one who might still). I have a
friend who works at a private school, teaching history. Maybe I could ask her
if Holly could go for a week trial-run or something--to see who I'd have to
ask and what it would cost, and whether they'd be willing to let a homeschooler
have a limited run without razzing the hell out of her.
Maybe we could park near the midschool a time or two as kids are coming and
going and she could watch them and see what she thinks. She does a lot of
her impression getting on an emotional level. If the look/feel like they're
having fun, she'll be intrigued. If they seem mean or unhappy, she won't be.
Sandra
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In a message dated 11/1/2003 10:05:17 PM Central Standard Time,
SandraDodd@... writes:
I don't think she'll want to go, and I think if she does go she won't stay
long, but sheesh!!! Sheesh.
Same thing with Will. Went to a school for a Halloween party last weekend.
All the classrooms were closed up, but BOY was he impressed with the school.
I don't want him to go. I think I'm even going to have to register him if we
move back to Arkansas, and that makes me sick to my stomach just to think
about. I don't think he'd stay long, either. But Ick. Makes me shiver. I AM
selfish about it.
Tuck
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SandraDodd@... writes:
I don't think she'll want to go, and I think if she does go she won't stay
long, but sheesh!!! Sheesh.
Same thing with Will. Went to a school for a Halloween party last weekend.
All the classrooms were closed up, but BOY was he impressed with the school.
I don't want him to go. I think I'm even going to have to register him if we
move back to Arkansas, and that makes me sick to my stomach just to think
about. I don't think he'd stay long, either. But Ick. Makes me shiver. I AM
selfish about it.
Tuck
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nellebelle
>>>>>>----- Original Message ----- Went to a school for a Halloween party last weekend. All the classrooms were closed up, but BOY was he impressed with the school.>>>>>>The schools in our area are quite impressive - they are big, bright, clean, and well organized with all that cool stuff just waiting to be played with. What my kids don't usually consider is that the kids DON'T just sit around playing with it whenever and however they please.
We are reading The Meanest Doll in the World. It is the sequel to The Doll People, which we really enjoyed. I am reading it to the girls at bedtime and I am CENSORING as I read! In this book, the two dolls become stowaways and end up spending a day in school. They are so impressed by everything they have been *missing*. I have actually been skipping sentences that refer to how glorious school is. It just reeks of that "school is so wonderful aren't you lucky to go" attitude. In case anyone wonders, I do not recommend this book, although I do still recommend the Doll People. It is a fun story. We first listened to it on audio tape, but the book has nice illustrations.
Mary Ellen
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Krisula Moyer
My dd went to public school last September (second grade). She wanted to
try it out and was very firm that she would go. After three days she just
couldn't believe how much she was expected to do, say, be, breath, whatever
and whenever they said. The teacher was nice but the relationship of having
to sit when the teacher says sit and go out, eat, not to mention do
worksheets which the teacher wanted in print (syd writes in cursive, that's
how she learned. Her print isn't as neat and she was self conscious about
it) but no, "you'll learn cursive in the *fourth* grade." Teacher said. Oh,
and after all that, homework must be done just to prove that we really have
control over you after you leave too. I never said a cross word about the
school or the teacher but by the third day she had had enough. The teacher
was surprised when she left. "She seemed to be adjusting so well." But at
home she was a complete bear dealing with it.
Just now I told her your daughter was thinking of going to school to try
it out and she said. "Let me write to her Mom, I know just what to say."
Here it is in her own words:
Dear Holly,
Don't don't don't noooooooooooooooooooooo.
Sydney
Original message:
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 09:32:00 EST
From: tuckervill2@...
Subject: Re: TWO scary Halloween things
In a message dated 11/1/2003 10:05:17 PM Central Standard Time,
SandraDodd@... writes:
I don't think she'll want to go, and I think if she does go she won't stay
long, but sheesh!!! Sheesh.
try it out and was very firm that she would go. After three days she just
couldn't believe how much she was expected to do, say, be, breath, whatever
and whenever they said. The teacher was nice but the relationship of having
to sit when the teacher says sit and go out, eat, not to mention do
worksheets which the teacher wanted in print (syd writes in cursive, that's
how she learned. Her print isn't as neat and she was self conscious about
it) but no, "you'll learn cursive in the *fourth* grade." Teacher said. Oh,
and after all that, homework must be done just to prove that we really have
control over you after you leave too. I never said a cross word about the
school or the teacher but by the third day she had had enough. The teacher
was surprised when she left. "She seemed to be adjusting so well." But at
home she was a complete bear dealing with it.
Just now I told her your daughter was thinking of going to school to try
it out and she said. "Let me write to her Mom, I know just what to say."
Here it is in her own words:
Dear Holly,
Don't don't don't noooooooooooooooooooooo.
Sydney
Original message:
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 09:32:00 EST
From: tuckervill2@...
Subject: Re: TWO scary Halloween things
In a message dated 11/1/2003 10:05:17 PM Central Standard Time,
SandraDodd@... writes:
I don't think she'll want to go, and I think if she does go she won't stay
long, but sheesh!!! Sheesh.
joylyn
I remember when Syd did this. It was too funny. We were taking bets on
how long she would last. Lexie couldn't believe Sydney would even
think about doing this. No one was surpised when she didn't want to
return.
LExie SO does NOT want to go to school, ever ever ever. Even with
current dramatics of the fact she has ABSOLUTELY NO FRIENDS, and NEVER
GOES ANYWHERE and NEVER GETS TO PLAY WITH ANYONE, and NEVER SPENDS ANY
TIME WITH ANYONE HER OWN AGE (all of this said with the biggest amount
of DRAMA possible--I'd swear those hormones were about to start.) She
still wants nothing about school.
(and after we discussed that she does a minimum of one thing with kids
her own age each day of the week except Sunday and increasing her
outdoor boundries, Lexie is doing better with the above issues, and has
found a friend in the neighborhood (who goes to school but is still
almost her age (9) and lives fairly close, Lexie is feeling better about
the entire issue.
Janene on the other hand wishes to go to school next year just try it
and to learn to read. Last night I wanted to scream as Janene did
worksheets in a workbook and then had Lexie grade them, insisting that
Lexie give her an "A" or a "B" . Janene was even saying things like "I
did terrible on this one, I deserve an "F". AHHHH.
I know that in reality Janene would not last as long as Syd did,and that
next year is a long time away and she is on the verge of reading and may
be reading (or may not and be OK with it) by that time, etc. But still,
the idea of my child in a school creeps me out. I was very good though
and simply said "Janene, you can read without going to school" and
"well, we'll discuss it next year then."
Joylyn
Krisula Moyer wrote:
how long she would last. Lexie couldn't believe Sydney would even
think about doing this. No one was surpised when she didn't want to
return.
LExie SO does NOT want to go to school, ever ever ever. Even with
current dramatics of the fact she has ABSOLUTELY NO FRIENDS, and NEVER
GOES ANYWHERE and NEVER GETS TO PLAY WITH ANYONE, and NEVER SPENDS ANY
TIME WITH ANYONE HER OWN AGE (all of this said with the biggest amount
of DRAMA possible--I'd swear those hormones were about to start.) She
still wants nothing about school.
(and after we discussed that she does a minimum of one thing with kids
her own age each day of the week except Sunday and increasing her
outdoor boundries, Lexie is doing better with the above issues, and has
found a friend in the neighborhood (who goes to school but is still
almost her age (9) and lives fairly close, Lexie is feeling better about
the entire issue.
Janene on the other hand wishes to go to school next year just try it
and to learn to read. Last night I wanted to scream as Janene did
worksheets in a workbook and then had Lexie grade them, insisting that
Lexie give her an "A" or a "B" . Janene was even saying things like "I
did terrible on this one, I deserve an "F". AHHHH.
I know that in reality Janene would not last as long as Syd did,and that
next year is a long time away and she is on the verge of reading and may
be reading (or may not and be OK with it) by that time, etc. But still,
the idea of my child in a school creeps me out. I was very good though
and simply said "Janene, you can read without going to school" and
"well, we'll discuss it next year then."
Joylyn
Krisula Moyer wrote:
> My dd went to public school last September (second grade). She wanted to[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> try it out and was very firm that she would go. After three days she just
> couldn't believe how much she was expected to do, say, be, breath,
> whatever
> and whenever they said. The teacher was nice but the relationship of
> having
> to sit when the teacher says sit and go out, eat, not to mention do
> worksheets which the teacher wanted in print (syd writes in cursive,
> that's
> how she learned. Her print isn't as neat and she was self conscious about
> it) but no, "you'll learn cursive in the *fourth* grade." Teacher
> said. Oh,
> and after all that, homework must be done just to prove that we really
> have
> control over you after you leave too. I never said a cross word about the
> school or the teacher but by the third day she had had enough. The
> teacher
> was surprised when she left. "She seemed to be adjusting so well." But at
> home she was a complete bear dealing with it.
>
> Just now I told her your daughter was thinking of going to school to try
> it out and she said. "Let me write to her Mom, I know just what to say."
> Here it is in her own words:
>
> Dear Holly,
> Don't don't don't noooooooooooooooooooooo.
> Sydney
>
>
>
>
>
> Original message:
> Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 09:32:00 EST
> From: tuckervill2@...
> Subject: Re: TWO scary Halloween things
>
> In a message dated 11/1/2003 10:05:17 PM Central Standard Time,
> SandraDodd@... writes:
> I don't think she'll want to go, and I think if she does go she won't stay
> long, but sheesh!!! Sheesh.
>
>
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In a message dated 11/4/2003 9:23:49 PM Mountain Standard Time,
krisulam@... writes:
Dear Holly,
Don't don't don't noooooooooooooooooooooo.
Sydney
============
Thanks.
I forwarded that part to Holly. <g>
Holly and I joked yesterday with a teen friend (who's homeschooling now but
who went to school for nine years) that Holly and I could write a heck of an
expose if Holly went from school to school just staying until she got tired of
it. <g>
It would be way more disruptive than I'm even willing to imagine, though, but
the plan we came up with was for me to always write and say that I really
didn't want her there, but they were welcome to make it fun enough that she might
stay. The further fantasy plan was any time Holly asked "why?" or "what is
this for?" she should pointedly write down the answer. <g>
I think she's decided against it.
Sandra
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krisulam@... writes:
Dear Holly,
Don't don't don't noooooooooooooooooooooo.
Sydney
============
Thanks.
I forwarded that part to Holly. <g>
Holly and I joked yesterday with a teen friend (who's homeschooling now but
who went to school for nine years) that Holly and I could write a heck of an
expose if Holly went from school to school just staying until she got tired of
it. <g>
It would be way more disruptive than I'm even willing to imagine, though, but
the plan we came up with was for me to always write and say that I really
didn't want her there, but they were welcome to make it fun enough that she might
stay. The further fantasy plan was any time Holly asked "why?" or "what is
this for?" she should pointedly write down the answer. <g>
I think she's decided against it.
Sandra
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