Where do I start?
Lynda
I'm speechless - do people *really* think this is a good way to get respect
& cooperation from their children???
http://www.consequences.ca/index.html
Lynda
www.unschooling.co.uk - drop by & say hello
www.freerangekids.co.uk - I'd like to teach the world to sling...
& cooperation from their children???
http://www.consequences.ca/index.html
Lynda
www.unschooling.co.uk - drop by & say hello
www.freerangekids.co.uk - I'd like to teach the world to sling...
M. Dalrymple-Lepore
Unfortunately, I was unable to see what any of the consequences
actually were. But what's with the idea of instilling "dread" into
your beloved little one? And some of the "positive feedback" describes
a "cunning 4 yr old".
Well. If that ain't love, I don't know what is.
:: shakes head::
Melanie
actually were. But what's with the idea of instilling "dread" into
your beloved little one? And some of the "positive feedback" describes
a "cunning 4 yr old".
Well. If that ain't love, I don't know what is.
:: shakes head::
Melanie
On Monday, October 27, 2003, at 10:09 AM, Lynda wrote:
> I'm speechless - do people *really* think this is a good way to get
> respect
> & cooperation from their children???
>
> http://www.consequences.ca/index.html
>
>
> Lynda
> www.unschooling.co.uk - drop by & say hello
> www.freerangekids.co.uk - I'd like to teach the world to sling...
>
catherine aceto
I'm right there speechless with you. I looked over the website, sure that it must be a parody -- but I think the damn thing is legit. Weird.
-cat
-cat
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Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 10:09 AM
Subject: [AlwaysLearning] Where do I start?
I'm speechless - do people *really* think this is a good way to get respect
& cooperation from their children???
http://www.consequences.ca/index.html
Lynda
www.unschooling.co.uk - drop by & say hello
www.freerangekids.co.uk - I'd like to teach the world to sling...
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AM Brown
> I'm speechless - do people *really* think this is a good way to getrespect
> & cooperation from their children???Wow! "changes the atmosphere overnight" - I guess so! What a horrible way
>
> http://www.consequences.ca/index.html
>
to live, I can't believe people actually think that is a good idea! I
wonder how the parents would feel with the table switched?
Anna
Sylvia Toyama
I can't believe people actually think that is a good idea! I
wonder how the parents would feel with the table switched?
++++++
Well, they did suggest -- at least twice -- getting one for your hubby, or even using one for Mom & Dad. Can you imagine being married to someone who needed to be controlled with the Dreaded Consequences wheel?
I will agree, tho, it's likely not as bad as spanking. They seem to be pitching to the reluctant spanker crowd.
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wonder how the parents would feel with the table switched?
++++++
Well, they did suggest -- at least twice -- getting one for your hubby, or even using one for Mom & Dad. Can you imagine being married to someone who needed to be controlled with the Dreaded Consequences wheel?
I will agree, tho, it's likely not as bad as spanking. They seem to be pitching to the reluctant spanker crowd.
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Shyrley
There's a woman on the state list who can't understand why her 8 yo
doesn't want to sit down at Abeka at 9am every morning. She laments that
the child doesn't see the work as 'important' and she wonders why she
can't 'control' her child.
Sigh.
All the other posters suggested ways of controlling the child. No
cartoons unless maths was done. No TV ever. Various punishments etc etc.
I of course, jumped in with Unschooling. Which went down like a lead
balloon. I don't know why I bother sometimes except the thought of that
poor child sitting at a table at 9am with a pile of curriculum books :-(
Shyrley who ain't even up at 9am
doesn't want to sit down at Abeka at 9am every morning. She laments that
the child doesn't see the work as 'important' and she wonders why she
can't 'control' her child.
Sigh.
All the other posters suggested ways of controlling the child. No
cartoons unless maths was done. No TV ever. Various punishments etc etc.
I of course, jumped in with Unschooling. Which went down like a lead
balloon. I don't know why I bother sometimes except the thought of that
poor child sitting at a table at 9am with a pile of curriculum books :-(
Shyrley who ain't even up at 9am
>
>
[email protected]
In a message dated 10/27/03 10:40:21 AM Central Standard Time,
ambdkf@... writes:
to live, I can't believe people actually think that is a good idea! I
wonder how the parents would feel with the table switched?
Anna
@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
One mom in the satisfied customer quotes wrote; "I think the kids were
intimidated and curious of the wheel when we first got it - now that we have had a
couple of spins I think they are getting the message."
Wow! She got that right, what kid wouldn't feel intimidated at the sight or
even the thought of a "Wheel of Dreaded Consequences"? Intimidated and curious,
like a dog with a brand new underground electric fence and collar. First
time, ZAP! Instant pain and confusion, yet the very nature of the dog makes it
reach out and feel for that boundary at least one or two more times before it
finally withdraws in defeat and pain. The name says it all. Then again, there is
a 100% Satisfaction Guaranteed, so I guess if the kids didn't fall in step and
toe the line ASAP, you could get your money back! <eg>
Another thing I saw on the list of *suggested* wrongs that would make you
have to spin the wheel was "Talking without permission" Now if you didn't have
permission to talk, how would you ask for permission to talk?
~Nancy
Genius may have its limitations, but stupidity is not thus handicapped.
Elbert Hubbard
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ambdkf@... writes:
> I'm speechless - do people *really* think this is a good way to getrespect
> & cooperation from their children???Wow! "changes the atmosphere overnight" - I guess so! What a horrible way
>
> http://www.consequences.ca/index.html
>
to live, I can't believe people actually think that is a good idea! I
wonder how the parents would feel with the table switched?
Anna
@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
One mom in the satisfied customer quotes wrote; "I think the kids were
intimidated and curious of the wheel when we first got it - now that we have had a
couple of spins I think they are getting the message."
Wow! She got that right, what kid wouldn't feel intimidated at the sight or
even the thought of a "Wheel of Dreaded Consequences"? Intimidated and curious,
like a dog with a brand new underground electric fence and collar. First
time, ZAP! Instant pain and confusion, yet the very nature of the dog makes it
reach out and feel for that boundary at least one or two more times before it
finally withdraws in defeat and pain. The name says it all. Then again, there is
a 100% Satisfaction Guaranteed, so I guess if the kids didn't fall in step and
toe the line ASAP, you could get your money back! <eg>
Another thing I saw on the list of *suggested* wrongs that would make you
have to spin the wheel was "Talking without permission" Now if you didn't have
permission to talk, how would you ask for permission to talk?
~Nancy
Genius may have its limitations, but stupidity is not thus handicapped.
Elbert Hubbard
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Tia Leschke
>Just like in school. You silently raise your hand and wait to be called on
>Another thing I saw on the list of *suggested* wrongs that would make you
>have to spin the wheel was "Talking without permission" Now if you didn't
>have
>permission to talk, how would you ask for permission to talk?
. . . gak!
Tia
M. Dalrymple-Lepore
I missed that! That's hysterical!
On Monday, October 27, 2003, at 02:45 PM, Dnowens@... wrote:
> Another thing I saw on the list of *suggested* wrongs that would make
> you
> have to spin the wheel was "Talking without permission" Now if you
> didn't have
> permission to talk, how would you ask for permission to talk?
Barbara Chase
>>I think we are all missing out on huge possible marketing possibilities
>><http://www.consequences.ca/index.html>http://www.consequences.ca/index.html
here. We need to do our own.....
"The Wheel of Delightful Alternatives"
Here's how you play:
1. When you and your child can't agree on what to do, then you
must "face the wheel". (Other themes available)
2. Your child will spin the wheel, and you will both be required
to participate in the outcome.
3. We'll provide lots of options, but you can always fill in your
own or use our template to print a custom wheel that will meet
the needs of your unique family.
Some of the Delightful Alternatives we offer:
- stay home and watch a movie together
- go for a swim
- eat some ice cream
- play a game
- go to the store and buy something fun for under $1
- read a story together
- invite over a friend
"When my child first saw the wheel she was intrigued. Then, when we
started to fill in the Alternatives we ended up spending the whole day
thinking of all the fun things we like to do together. This wheel has
really changed our lives!"
I was getting a bit too depressed with the recent threads, and was inspired
to have some fun. I'm new to the whole unschooling thing, so my
Alternatives seem a bit lackluster. I'm sure you old-timers will be able
to come up with some great ideas for this ;-)
tee hee....
--bc--
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catherine aceto
This is magnificient!!
-cat
-cat
----- Original Message -----
From: Barbara Chase
To: [email protected]
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 8:33 PM
Subject: Re: [AlwaysLearning] Where do I start?
>>
>><http://www.consequences.ca/index.html>http://www.consequences.ca/index.html
I think we are all missing out on huge possible marketing possibilities
here. We need to do our own.....
"The Wheel of Delightful Alternatives"
Here's how you play:
1. When you and your child can't agree on what to do, then you
must "face the wheel". (Other themes available)
2. Your child will spin the wheel, and you will both be required
to participate in the outcome.
3. We'll provide lots of options, but you can always fill in your
own or use our template to print a custom wheel that will meet
the needs of your unique family.
Some of the Delightful Alternatives we offer:
- stay home and watch a movie together
- go for a swim
- eat some ice cream
- play a game
- go to the store and buy something fun for under $1
- read a story together
- invite over a friend
"When my child first saw the wheel she was intrigued. Then, when we
started to fill in the Alternatives we ended up spending the whole day
thinking of all the fun things we like to do together. This wheel has
really changed our lives!"
I was getting a bit too depressed with the recent threads, and was inspired
to have some fun. I'm new to the whole unschooling thing, so my
Alternatives seem a bit lackluster. I'm sure you old-timers will be able
to come up with some great ideas for this ;-)
tee hee....
--bc--
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-----Original Message-----
From: Barbara Chase [mailto:barb@...]
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 8:33 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [AlwaysLearning] Where do I start?
I think we are all missing out on huge possible marketing possibilities
here. We need to do our own.....
"The Wheel of Delightful Alternatives"
Here's how you play:
1. When you and your child can't agree on what to do, then you
must "face the wheel". (Other themes available)
2. Your child will spin the wheel, and you will both be required
to participate in the outcome.
3. We'll provide lots of options, but you can always fill in your
own or use our template to print a custom wheel that will meet
the needs of your unique family.
Some of the Delightful Alternatives we offer:
- stay home and watch a movie together
- go for a swim
- eat some ice cream
- play a game
- go to the store and buy something fun for under $1
- read a story together
- invite over a friend
"When my child first saw the wheel she was intrigued. Then, when we
started to fill in the Alternatives we ended up spending the whole day
thinking of all the fun things we like to do together. This wheel has
really changed our lives!"
I was getting a bit too depressed with the recent threads, and was
inspired
to have some fun. I'm new to the whole unschooling thing, so my
Alternatives seem a bit lackluster. I'm sure you old-timers will be
able
to come up with some great ideas for this ;-)
tee hee....
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-----Original Message-----
From: Barbara Chase [mailto:barb@...]
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 8:33 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [AlwaysLearning] Where do I start?
>>x.html
>><http://www.consequences.ca/index.html>http://www.consequences.ca/inde
I think we are all missing out on huge possible marketing possibilities
here. We need to do our own.....
"The Wheel of Delightful Alternatives"
Here's how you play:
1. When you and your child can't agree on what to do, then you
must "face the wheel". (Other themes available)
2. Your child will spin the wheel, and you will both be required
to participate in the outcome.
3. We'll provide lots of options, but you can always fill in your
own or use our template to print a custom wheel that will meet
the needs of your unique family.
Some of the Delightful Alternatives we offer:
- stay home and watch a movie together
- go for a swim
- eat some ice cream
- play a game
- go to the store and buy something fun for under $1
- read a story together
- invite over a friend
"When my child first saw the wheel she was intrigued. Then, when we
started to fill in the Alternatives we ended up spending the whole day
thinking of all the fun things we like to do together. This wheel has
really changed our lives!"
I was getting a bit too depressed with the recent threads, and was
inspired
to have some fun. I'm new to the whole unschooling thing, so my
Alternatives seem a bit lackluster. I'm sure you old-timers will be
able
to come up with some great ideas for this ;-)
tee hee....
--bc--
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AM Brown
I thought you might enjoy this post:) Isn't it great that there are people
out there that think like this!
Thanks for letting us crash in today. They had SO much fun. I really
appreciate it! See you in the morning. Anna
out there that think like this!
Thanks for letting us crash in today. They had SO much fun. I really
appreciate it! See you in the morning. Anna
> [Original Message]ml
> From: Barbara Chase <barb@...>
> To: <[email protected]>
> Date: 10/27/2003 8:35:46 PM
> Subject: Re: [AlwaysLearning] Where do I start?
>
> >>
>
>><http://www.consequences.ca/index.html>http://www.consequences.ca/index.ht
>inspired
>
> I think we are all missing out on huge possible marketing possibilities
> here. We need to do our own.....
>
>
> "The Wheel of Delightful Alternatives"
>
>
> Here's how you play:
>
> 1. When you and your child can't agree on what to do, then you
> must "face the wheel". (Other themes available)
>
> 2. Your child will spin the wheel, and you will both be required
> to participate in the outcome.
>
> 3. We'll provide lots of options, but you can always fill in your
> own or use our template to print a custom wheel that will meet
> the needs of your unique family.
>
>
> Some of the Delightful Alternatives we offer:
>
> - stay home and watch a movie together
> - go for a swim
> - eat some ice cream
> - play a game
> - go to the store and buy something fun for under $1
> - read a story together
> - invite over a friend
>
>
> "When my child first saw the wheel she was intrigued. Then, when we
> started to fill in the Alternatives we ended up spending the whole day
> thinking of all the fun things we like to do together. This wheel has
> really changed our lives!"
>
>
>
> I was getting a bit too depressed with the recent threads, and was
> to have some fun. I'm new to the whole unschooling thing, so my
> Alternatives seem a bit lackluster. I'm sure you old-timers will be able
> to come up with some great ideas for this ;-)
>
> tee hee....
>
>
>
> --bc--
>
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Sorry for the post to my friend - one day I will figure out the difference
between 'reply' and 'forward'!!! Anna
I did love "The Wheel of Delightful Alternatives". I have been thinking
about the other wheel all day and it was getting me down too.
between 'reply' and 'forward'!!! Anna
I did love "The Wheel of Delightful Alternatives". I have been thinking
about the other wheel all day and it was getting me down too.
Sylvia Toyama
I think your alternatives sound great, Barbara! My kids love an ice cream outing, and it seems someone always wants me to play a game with him. We could add an outing to our favorite bookstore -- where they have great toys under a dollar, too -- or the children's museum.....a trip to the zoo.... or a run thru the fallen leaves.... or unlimited pushes on the tire swing.... bowling... a dollar movie.... making hot cocoa and popcorn together.... baking cookies together..... building the tallest lego tower... the list is endless when you think about ways to reward everyone by having fun together.
Thanks for sharing that idea. It really did brighten what has been a strange and troubling day around here -- unfortunately, just the latest of several such days.
Syl
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I was getting a bit too depressed with the recent threads, and was inspired
to have some fun. I'm new to the whole unschooling thing, so my
Alternatives seem a bit lackluster. I'm sure you old-timers will be able
to come up with some great ideas for this ;-)
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Thanks for sharing that idea. It really did brighten what has been a strange and troubling day around here -- unfortunately, just the latest of several such days.
Syl
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I was getting a bit too depressed with the recent threads, and was inspired
to have some fun. I'm new to the whole unschooling thing, so my
Alternatives seem a bit lackluster. I'm sure you old-timers will be able
to come up with some great ideas for this ;-)
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9am? What's that? <g>
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Flora
Hi!
I am new here. I am on a few other homeschool/unschool lists. You guys are
great! Really informative, and inspiring. I have a 2 year old son who is
going to be unschooled. We have yet to convey this idea to my in-laws who
are pretty much against every other parenting idea we have implemented
(co-sleeping, breastfeeding, gentle parenting, etc.). My mil thinks that
all children need "training". She once said "Children are god's way of
punishing you for enjoying sex." Any ideas about how to bring up the idea
without getting kicked out of the will? <g> I was thinking of
articles/statistics...any good ones? Books are too much - I need some
fairly quick come-backs. I was thinking of bringing up homeschooling first
and not even broaching the idea of unschooling until I see how it settles.
Thanks a lot!
~Flora, Sean (dh) and Liam (ds)
I am new here. I am on a few other homeschool/unschool lists. You guys are
great! Really informative, and inspiring. I have a 2 year old son who is
going to be unschooled. We have yet to convey this idea to my in-laws who
are pretty much against every other parenting idea we have implemented
(co-sleeping, breastfeeding, gentle parenting, etc.). My mil thinks that
all children need "training". She once said "Children are god's way of
punishing you for enjoying sex." Any ideas about how to bring up the idea
without getting kicked out of the will? <g> I was thinking of
articles/statistics...any good ones? Books are too much - I need some
fairly quick come-backs. I was thinking of bringing up homeschooling first
and not even broaching the idea of unschooling until I see how it settles.
Thanks a lot!
~Flora, Sean (dh) and Liam (ds)
Fetteroll
on 10/27/03 12:22 PM, Shyrley at shyrley@... wrote:
The ones whose minds are already made up probably aren't reachable, but you
probably reached some of the ones who haven't made up their minds. Maybe
next time you might want to include a link here or to UnschoolingDiscussion
for those who might want to find out more about ways to live peacefully with
children :-)
Joyce
> I don't know why I bother sometimes except the thought of thatAh, but think about the people silently reading along!
> poor child sitting at a table at 9am with a pile of curriculum books :-(
The ones whose minds are already made up probably aren't reachable, but you
probably reached some of the ones who haven't made up their minds. Maybe
next time you might want to include a link here or to UnschoolingDiscussion
for those who might want to find out more about ways to live peacefully with
children :-)
Joyce
Sylvia Toyama
Flora,
Welcome. I don't really have any helpful ideas -- my inlaws are still slow to warm up about homeschooling, and we don't even say unschool!
Maybe you could just remind her that any distress caused by any of your alternative parenting choices is just 'punishment' for her having enjoyed sex with your fil. <eg>
Or maybe they'll have other grandchildren and need less vicarious gratification from your child/ren.
Syl
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Welcome. I don't really have any helpful ideas -- my inlaws are still slow to warm up about homeschooling, and we don't even say unschool!
Maybe you could just remind her that any distress caused by any of your alternative parenting choices is just 'punishment' for her having enjoyed sex with your fil. <eg>
Or maybe they'll have other grandchildren and need less vicarious gratification from your child/ren.
Syl
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