Re: [AlwaysLearning] Digest Number 1055
J. Stauffer
You are right. The kids certainly don't sound attention starved. I have no
ideas for you. I still am jealous of you, at least for now. Dh works in
the city and loves it <sigh> but we are looking for land not too far out so
I can run a little dairy.
Julie S.
ideas for you. I still am jealous of you, at least for now. Dh works in
the city and loves it <sigh> but we are looking for land not too far out so
I can run a little dairy.
Julie S.
J. Stauffer
<<Brianna will travel alone when she can protect herself>>
Do you know how many adults are kidnapped and killed every year? It happens
more to them than to kids and most people would think of adults as being
able to protect themselves.
In reality, unless you carry a gun, know how to use it and have no qualms
about using it, you are at the mercy of anyone who truly wants to do you
harm.
You can make yourself crazy worrying about the what-ifs or you can play the
statistics. Your child is much, much more likely to die in a car crash or
to be killed by a family member or friend than to ever be in danger by a
stranger.
Parent how you feel best but statistics don't back you up.
Julie S.
Do you know how many adults are kidnapped and killed every year? It happens
more to them than to kids and most people would think of adults as being
able to protect themselves.
In reality, unless you carry a gun, know how to use it and have no qualms
about using it, you are at the mercy of anyone who truly wants to do you
harm.
You can make yourself crazy worrying about the what-ifs or you can play the
statistics. Your child is much, much more likely to die in a car crash or
to be killed by a family member or friend than to ever be in danger by a
stranger.
Parent how you feel best but statistics don't back you up.
Julie S.
coyote's corner
Julie,
As an adult female, often on the road w/ merchandise and cash...I know the reality. I do not make myself crazy - I do indeed know how to protect myself. I have no problem doing so. I would be, in some cultures, referred to as a warrior. In some, I would be referred to as 'one tough bitch' or a woman 'that takes no bull' .
The stats I read said that 3 out of 4 kids would be molested (not necessarily 1st degree - penetration - but molested) by the age of 13.
I know many adults disappear. That seems to make my point - if one can defend oneself from childhood - the proper way - then one will be able to defend oneself as an adult.
It seems to me that self-defense - esp. in this time and place - is a necessity - not a luxury.
Janis
As an adult female, often on the road w/ merchandise and cash...I know the reality. I do not make myself crazy - I do indeed know how to protect myself. I have no problem doing so. I would be, in some cultures, referred to as a warrior. In some, I would be referred to as 'one tough bitch' or a woman 'that takes no bull' .
The stats I read said that 3 out of 4 kids would be molested (not necessarily 1st degree - penetration - but molested) by the age of 13.
I know many adults disappear. That seems to make my point - if one can defend oneself from childhood - the proper way - then one will be able to defend oneself as an adult.
It seems to me that self-defense - esp. in this time and place - is a necessity - not a luxury.
Janis
----- Original Message -----
From: J. Stauffer
To: [email protected]
Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2003 11:40 AM
Subject: Re: [AlwaysLearning] Digest Number 1055
<<Brianna will travel alone when she can protect herself>>
Do you know how many adults are kidnapped and killed every year? It happens
more to them than to kids and most people would think of adults as being
able to protect themselves.
In reality, unless you carry a gun, know how to use it and have no qualms
about using it, you are at the mercy of anyone who truly wants to do you
harm.
You can make yourself crazy worrying about the what-ifs or you can play the
statistics. Your child is much, much more likely to die in a car crash or
to be killed by a family member or friend than to ever be in danger by a
stranger.
Parent how you feel best but statistics don't back you up.
Julie S.
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On Sat, 25 Oct 2003 13:09:40 -0400 "coyote's corner"
<janis@...> writes:
You say that you wouldn't leave your child anywhere you wouldn't leave a
million bucks, and then say that children should know how to defend
themselves. If a child can defend herself, then I would think you would
be comfortable leaving her lots of places where you wouldn't leave a
million dollars - the mall, for example. Not a 2 yr old, of course, but a
competent 10 yr old...
Dar
<janis@...> writes:
> The stats I read said that 3 out of 4 kids would be molested (notI'm hearing two seemingly opposing viewpoints from you, and I'm confused.
> necessarily 1st degree - penetration - but molested) by the age of 13.
> I know many adults disappear. That seems to make my point - if one
> can defend oneself from childhood - the proper way - then one will
> be able to defend oneself as an adult.
>
> It seems to me that self-defense - esp. in this time and place - is
> a necessity - not a luxury.
>
You say that you wouldn't leave your child anywhere you wouldn't leave a
million bucks, and then say that children should know how to defend
themselves. If a child can defend herself, then I would think you would
be comfortable leaving her lots of places where you wouldn't leave a
million dollars - the mall, for example. Not a 2 yr old, of course, but a
competent 10 yr old...
Dar
coyote's corner
Because defend herself doesn't mean she should be put in a position to.
Janis
Janis
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From: freeform@...
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Cc: [email protected]
Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2003 6:41 PM
Subject: Re: [AlwaysLearning] Digest Number 1055
On Sat, 25 Oct 2003 13:09:40 -0400 "coyote's corner"
<janis@...> writes:
> The stats I read said that 3 out of 4 kids would be molested (not
> necessarily 1st degree - penetration - but molested) by the age of 13.
> I know many adults disappear. That seems to make my point - if one
> can defend oneself from childhood - the proper way - then one will
> be able to defend oneself as an adult.
>
> It seems to me that self-defense - esp. in this time and place - is
> a necessity - not a luxury.
>
I'm hearing two seemingly opposing viewpoints from you, and I'm confused.
You say that you wouldn't leave your child anywhere you wouldn't leave a
million bucks, and then say that children should know how to defend
themselves. If a child can defend herself, then I would think you would
be comfortable leaving her lots of places where you wouldn't leave a
million dollars - the mall, for example. Not a 2 yr old, of course, but a
competent 10 yr old...
Dar
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coyote's corner
My computer is ating up & I'm bushed....
so please forgive my typos.
I've heard of three seemingly happy women that have commited suicide in the past year. Two were 'saved' Christian women - from two different states. One I had met and she seemed so very happy!
Goodnight,
Janis
so please forgive my typos.
I've heard of three seemingly happy women that have commited suicide in the past year. Two were 'saved' Christian women - from two different states. One I had met and she seemed so very happy!
Goodnight,
Janis
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From: coyote's corner
To: [email protected]
Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2003 7:06 PM
Subject: Re: [AlwaysLearning] Digest Number 1055
Because defend herself doesn't mean she should be put in a position to.
Janis
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Cc: [email protected]
Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2003 6:41 PM
Subject: Re: [AlwaysLearning] Digest Number 1055
On Sat, 25 Oct 2003 13:09:40 -0400 "coyote's corner"
<janis@...> writes:
> The stats I read said that 3 out of 4 kids would be molested (not
> necessarily 1st degree - penetration - but molested) by the age of 13.
> I know many adults disappear. That seems to make my point - if one
> can defend oneself from childhood - the proper way - then one will
> be able to defend oneself as an adult.
>
> It seems to me that self-defense - esp. in this time and place - is
> a necessity - not a luxury.
>
I'm hearing two seemingly opposing viewpoints from you, and I'm confused.
You say that you wouldn't leave your child anywhere you wouldn't leave a
million bucks, and then say that children should know how to defend
themselves. If a child can defend herself, then I would think you would
be comfortable leaving her lots of places where you wouldn't leave a
million dollars - the mall, for example. Not a 2 yr old, of course, but a
competent 10 yr old...
Dar
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sstr493
My 2 cents:
It's good to teach children to defend themselves, it gives them
higher self esteem, and an air of confidence that might discourage
some molestors, etc.
BUT -- a 70 pound child -- or even a 90-100 pound child
doesn't have much of a chance defending themselves against a
determined, violent person who weighs 160-250 pounds.
Let's be realistic here!
Remember the woman who was stabbed in the rest stop bathroom?
She had taken tons of self defense courses.
Being grabbed and attacked from behind, when you're unaware, the
person has one step ahead of you to *their* advantage.
Etc., etc.
Don't ever think that just because a child has taken self defense,
that they can *truely* defend themselves against a very strong adult!
SSTR
--- In [email protected], "coyote's corner" <janis@c...>
wrote:
It's good to teach children to defend themselves, it gives them
higher self esteem, and an air of confidence that might discourage
some molestors, etc.
BUT -- a 70 pound child -- or even a 90-100 pound child
doesn't have much of a chance defending themselves against a
determined, violent person who weighs 160-250 pounds.
Let's be realistic here!
Remember the woman who was stabbed in the rest stop bathroom?
She had taken tons of self defense courses.
Being grabbed and attacked from behind, when you're unaware, the
person has one step ahead of you to *their* advantage.
Etc., etc.
Don't ever think that just because a child has taken self defense,
that they can *truely* defend themselves against a very strong adult!
SSTR
--- In [email protected], "coyote's corner" <janis@c...>
wrote:
>to.
> Because defend herself doesn't mean she should be put in a position
> Janis(not
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: freeform@j...
> To: [email protected]
> Cc: [email protected]
> Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2003 6:41 PM
> Subject: Re: [AlwaysLearning] Digest Number 1055
>
>
>
> On Sat, 25 Oct 2003 13:09:40 -0400 "coyote's corner"
> <janis@c...> writes:
> > The stats I read said that 3 out of 4 kids would be molested
> > necessarily 1st degree - penetration - but molested) by the ageof 13.
> > I know many adults disappear. That seems to make my point - ifone
> > can defend oneself from childhood - the proper way - then onewill
> > be able to defend oneself as an adult.is
> >
> > It seems to me that self-defense - esp. in this time and place -
> > a necessity - not a luxury.confused.
> >
> I'm hearing two seemingly opposing viewpoints from you, and I'm
> You say that you wouldn't leave your child anywhere you wouldn'tleave a
> million bucks, and then say that children should know how todefend
> themselves. If a child can defend herself, then I would think youwould
> be comfortable leaving her lots of places where you wouldn'tleave a
> million dollars - the mall, for example. Not a 2 yr old, ofcourse, but a
> competent 10 yr old...Service.
>
> Dar
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Thatnks, you've made my point....
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From: sstr493
To: [email protected]
Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 12:02 PM
Subject: [AlwaysLearning] children defending selves
My 2 cents:
It's good to teach children to defend themselves, it gives them
higher self esteem, and an air of confidence that might discourage
some molestors, etc.
BUT -- a 70 pound child -- or even a 90-100 pound child
doesn't have much of a chance defending themselves against a
determined, violent person who weighs 160-250 pounds.
Let's be realistic here!
Remember the woman who was stabbed in the rest stop bathroom?
She had taken tons of self defense courses.
Being grabbed and attacked from behind, when you're unaware, the
person has one step ahead of you to *their* advantage.
Etc., etc.
Don't ever think that just because a child has taken self defense,
that they can *truely* defend themselves against a very strong adult!
SSTR
--- In [email protected], "coyote's corner" <janis@c...>
wrote:
>
> Because defend herself doesn't mean she should be put in a position
to.
> Janis
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: freeform@j...
> To: [email protected]
> Cc: [email protected]
> Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2003 6:41 PM
> Subject: Re: [AlwaysLearning] Digest Number 1055
>
>
>
> On Sat, 25 Oct 2003 13:09:40 -0400 "coyote's corner"
> <janis@c...> writes:
> > The stats I read said that 3 out of 4 kids would be molested
(not
> > necessarily 1st degree - penetration - but molested) by the age
of 13.
> > I know many adults disappear. That seems to make my point - if
one
> > can defend oneself from childhood - the proper way - then one
will
> > be able to defend oneself as an adult.
> >
> > It seems to me that self-defense - esp. in this time and place -
is
> > a necessity - not a luxury.
> >
> I'm hearing two seemingly opposing viewpoints from you, and I'm
confused.
> You say that you wouldn't leave your child anywhere you wouldn't
leave a
> million bucks, and then say that children should know how to
defend
> themselves. If a child can defend herself, then I would think you
would
> be comfortable leaving her lots of places where you wouldn't
leave a
> million dollars - the mall, for example. Not a 2 yr old, of
course, but a
> competent 10 yr old...
>
> Dar
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This is true, that in many cases it might be harder for a smaller
victim to defend themselves.
But not always.
And the most important part of self defense education is learning how to
avoid becoming a victim, by not putting yourself in situations where it
might happen.
Joylyn
coyote's corner wrote:
victim to defend themselves.
But not always.
And the most important part of self defense education is learning how to
avoid becoming a victim, by not putting yourself in situations where it
might happen.
Joylyn
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> Thatnks, you've made my point....[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: sstr493
> To: [email protected]
> Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 12:02 PM
> Subject: [AlwaysLearning] children defending selves
>
>
> My 2 cents:
>
> It's good to teach children to defend themselves, it gives them
> higher self esteem, and an air of confidence that might discourage
> some molestors, etc.
>
> BUT -- a 70 pound child -- or even a 90-100 pound child
> doesn't have much of a chance defending themselves against a
> determined, violent person who weighs 160-250 pounds.
>
> Let's be realistic here!
>
> Remember the woman who was stabbed in the rest stop bathroom?
> She had taken tons of self defense courses.
>
> Being grabbed and attacked from behind, when you're unaware, the
> person has one step ahead of you to *their* advantage.
>
> Etc., etc.
>
> Don't ever think that just because a child has taken self defense,
> that they can *truely* defend themselves against a very strong adult!
>
> SSTR
>
> --- In [email protected], "coyote's corner" <janis@c...>
> wrote:
> >
> > Because defend herself doesn't mean she should be put in a position
> to.
> > Janis
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: freeform@j...
> > To: [email protected]
> > Cc: [email protected]
> > Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2003 6:41 PM
> > Subject: Re: [AlwaysLearning] Digest Number 1055
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sat, 25 Oct 2003 13:09:40 -0400 "coyote's corner"
> > <janis@c...> writes:
> > > The stats I read said that 3 out of 4 kids would be molested
> (not
> > > necessarily 1st degree - penetration - but molested) by the age
> of 13.
> > > I know many adults disappear. That seems to make my point - if
> one
> > > can defend oneself from childhood - the proper way - then one
> will
> > > be able to defend oneself as an adult.
> > >
> > > It seems to me that self-defense - esp. in this time and place -
> is
> > > a necessity - not a luxury.
> > >
> > I'm hearing two seemingly opposing viewpoints from you, and I'm
> confused.
> > You say that you wouldn't leave your child anywhere you wouldn't
> leave a
> > million bucks, and then say that children should know how to
> defend
> > themselves. If a child can defend herself, then I would think you
> would
> > be comfortable leaving her lots of places where you wouldn't
> leave a
> > million dollars - the mall, for example. Not a 2 yr old, of
> course, but a
> > competent 10 yr old...
> >
> > Dar
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On Sun, 26 Oct 2003 17:02:54 -0000 "sstr493" <sstr493@...> writes:
woman, so if a big guy who knew what he was doing attacked me he'd
probably win. So what should I do? Stay home in my bedroom - but wait,
what about Polly Klaus and Elizabeth Smart - that's not completely safe
either. There's no reasonable way to keep yourself or your child
completely safe, and the cost for me is too high. Children are very
rarely snatched off the streets by strangers intent on hurting them, and
our enormous media coverage of these events when they do happen
(especially to pretty little white girls, but that's another story) has
given everyone the mistaken impression that they are a lot more common
than they are. Most people aren't out there trying to hurt your kids - in
fact, my kid seems to meet an awful lot of nice people out in the world.
Dar
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> BUT -- a 70 pound child -- or even a 90-100 pound childIf we're just talking about a physical contest, I'm a 125 pound grown
> doesn't have much of a chance defending themselves against a
> determined, violent person who weighs 160-250 pounds.
>
woman, so if a big guy who knew what he was doing attacked me he'd
probably win. So what should I do? Stay home in my bedroom - but wait,
what about Polly Klaus and Elizabeth Smart - that's not completely safe
either. There's no reasonable way to keep yourself or your child
completely safe, and the cost for me is too high. Children are very
rarely snatched off the streets by strangers intent on hurting them, and
our enormous media coverage of these events when they do happen
(especially to pretty little white girls, but that's another story) has
given everyone the mistaken impression that they are a lot more common
than they are. Most people aren't out there trying to hurt your kids - in
fact, my kid seems to meet an awful lot of nice people out in the world.
Dar
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Sandra Dodd
-=-Most people aren't out there trying to hurt your kids - in
fact, my kid seems to meet an awful lot of nice people out in the
world.-=-
I agree with Dar.
How many children fall down wells?
NONE, where I have lived. Nobody I know. But one in Italy in the
1970's (I think) and one in Texas in the 1980's, and it was carried on
INTERNATIONAL news, regular programming interrupted repeatedly, and
how many thousands of kids were prevented from playing in their back
yards those weeks because their parents were unnaturally drawn
emotionally into a situation which was exceedingly rare and far away?
People don't function well when they know a LOT of heartbreaking
things. It immobilizes some people. It causes depression and suicide
in some people. Yet any of us, if we wanted to, could read more
depressing "news" in one week than our grandmothers would have heard
in their whole lives including the flue epidemic, polio, WWI and the
Great Depression because there is so much international news that you
can destroy the last glimmer of happiness if you choose to wallow in
that.
WHY should all of us know all the details of a Mormon teen's
abduction? Yes, it's fascinating. But should it affect our
children's lives? And what, they sleep tethered to their mom or dad!?
The parents threaten their lives if they get out of sight, instead of
the bad guys threatening their lives if they get out of sight.
If we were REALLY going to have our children's safety as our primary
goal, they should live in padded rooms, wear safety helmets and never
EVER go in an automobile, ever, under any circumstances. They
shouldn't get in the sunshine because it can cause cancer. They
shouldn't risk bug bites because they could be allergic and die. No
cats; they can scratch. No dogs, they can bite. They might have
fleas.
It comes back to priorities. Can they live in the world?
Nobody can predict and prevent every possibility. There are natural
disasters and diseases and things falling out of the sky. They're not
common, but they're way more likely than stranger abduction.
Travelling in groups, being confident, having a plan (running like
crazy isn't as good a plan as walking up to the nearest house just as
casual as though you live there, and then asking the people there if
they will let you in to call the police because a strange man is
following you.
Does anyone know of websites or discussions about child safety and
recommendations that don't cause more trauma than they prevent?
Sandra
-------
fact, my kid seems to meet an awful lot of nice people out in the
world.-=-
I agree with Dar.
How many children fall down wells?
NONE, where I have lived. Nobody I know. But one in Italy in the
1970's (I think) and one in Texas in the 1980's, and it was carried on
INTERNATIONAL news, regular programming interrupted repeatedly, and
how many thousands of kids were prevented from playing in their back
yards those weeks because their parents were unnaturally drawn
emotionally into a situation which was exceedingly rare and far away?
People don't function well when they know a LOT of heartbreaking
things. It immobilizes some people. It causes depression and suicide
in some people. Yet any of us, if we wanted to, could read more
depressing "news" in one week than our grandmothers would have heard
in their whole lives including the flue epidemic, polio, WWI and the
Great Depression because there is so much international news that you
can destroy the last glimmer of happiness if you choose to wallow in
that.
WHY should all of us know all the details of a Mormon teen's
abduction? Yes, it's fascinating. But should it affect our
children's lives? And what, they sleep tethered to their mom or dad!?
The parents threaten their lives if they get out of sight, instead of
the bad guys threatening their lives if they get out of sight.
If we were REALLY going to have our children's safety as our primary
goal, they should live in padded rooms, wear safety helmets and never
EVER go in an automobile, ever, under any circumstances. They
shouldn't get in the sunshine because it can cause cancer. They
shouldn't risk bug bites because they could be allergic and die. No
cats; they can scratch. No dogs, they can bite. They might have
fleas.
It comes back to priorities. Can they live in the world?
Nobody can predict and prevent every possibility. There are natural
disasters and diseases and things falling out of the sky. They're not
common, but they're way more likely than stranger abduction.
Travelling in groups, being confident, having a plan (running like
crazy isn't as good a plan as walking up to the nearest house just as
casual as though you live there, and then asking the people there if
they will let you in to call the police because a strange man is
following you.
Does anyone know of websites or discussions about child safety and
recommendations that don't cause more trauma than they prevent?
Sandra
-------
Tia Leschke
>This is true, that in many cases it might be harder for a smallerAnd how not to look like a victim. Criminals know how to pick a likely target.
>victim to defend themselves.
>
>But not always.
>
>And the most important part of self defense education is learning how to
>avoid becoming a victim, by not putting yourself in situations where it
>might happen.
Tia
coyote's corner
Yes, that's part of awareness.
Even things like not letting our long hair hang outside the jacket; or carrying large purses.
yes, I agree the first and foremost lesson is learning to recognize and avoid the situation.
We know how to 'make' weapons out of so many things....that's useful.
Know what to scream...."Help me", sadly doesn't work as well as "Fire" or "Stop! Thief!"
Janis
Even things like not letting our long hair hang outside the jacket; or carrying large purses.
yes, I agree the first and foremost lesson is learning to recognize and avoid the situation.
We know how to 'make' weapons out of so many things....that's useful.
Know what to scream...."Help me", sadly doesn't work as well as "Fire" or "Stop! Thief!"
Janis
----- Original Message -----
From: joylyn
To: [email protected]
Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 1:10 PM
Subject: Re: [AlwaysLearning] children defending selves
This is true, that in many cases it might be harder for a smaller
victim to defend themselves.
But not always.
And the most important part of self defense education is learning how to
avoid becoming a victim, by not putting yourself in situations where it
might happen.
Joylyn
coyote's corner wrote:
> Thatnks, you've made my point....
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: sstr493
> To: [email protected]
> Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 12:02 PM
> Subject: [AlwaysLearning] children defending selves
>
>
> My 2 cents:
>
> It's good to teach children to defend themselves, it gives them
> higher self esteem, and an air of confidence that might discourage
> some molestors, etc.
>
> BUT -- a 70 pound child -- or even a 90-100 pound child
> doesn't have much of a chance defending themselves against a
> determined, violent person who weighs 160-250 pounds.
>
> Let's be realistic here!
>
> Remember the woman who was stabbed in the rest stop bathroom?
> She had taken tons of self defense courses.
>
> Being grabbed and attacked from behind, when you're unaware, the
> person has one step ahead of you to *their* advantage.
>
> Etc., etc.
>
> Don't ever think that just because a child has taken self defense,
> that they can *truely* defend themselves against a very strong adult!
>
> SSTR
>
> --- In [email protected], "coyote's corner" <janis@c...>
> wrote:
> >
> > Because defend herself doesn't mean she should be put in a position
> to.
> > Janis
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: freeform@j...
> > To: [email protected]
> > Cc: [email protected]
> > Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2003 6:41 PM
> > Subject: Re: [AlwaysLearning] Digest Number 1055
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sat, 25 Oct 2003 13:09:40 -0400 "coyote's corner"
> > <janis@c...> writes:
> > > The stats I read said that 3 out of 4 kids would be molested
> (not
> > > necessarily 1st degree - penetration - but molested) by the age
> of 13.
> > > I know many adults disappear. That seems to make my point - if
> one
> > > can defend oneself from childhood - the proper way - then one
> will
> > > be able to defend oneself as an adult.
> > >
> > > It seems to me that self-defense - esp. in this time and place -
> is
> > > a necessity - not a luxury.
> > >
> > I'm hearing two seemingly opposing viewpoints from you, and I'm
> confused.
> > You say that you wouldn't leave your child anywhere you wouldn't
> leave a
> > million bucks, and then say that children should know how to
> defend
> > themselves. If a child can defend herself, then I would think you
> would
> > be comfortable leaving her lots of places where you wouldn't
> leave a
> > million dollars - the mall, for example. Not a 2 yr old, of
> course, but a
> > competent 10 yr old...
> >
> > Dar
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--- In [email protected], "Sandra Dodd "
<SandraDodd@a...> wrote:
Tuck
<SandraDodd@a...> wrote:
>www.escapeschool.com
> Does anyone know of websites or discussions about child safety and
> recommendations that don't cause more trauma than they prevent?
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coyote's corner
Hello,
Okay...let's get this straight. I am NOT afraid to go out or leave my home. Brianna goes some place - not many- alone and she always takes a phone.
Now, when I was 90 pounds, I successfully fought off a 6' attacker. He was very large and muscular. Attack points are attack points...no matter the size.
I fight to win.
I fight dirty.
I have weapons that take attackers by surprise.
We live our lives in a big, sometimes dangerous world. I don't take unnecessary chances and I'm well equipped to defend myself.
OTOH - I firmly believe that Brianna should learn pool, poker, blackjack and bartending - that way she'll never go hungry. My father was a bookie and taught us all poker and blackjack. I got my first truck that way (but the guy broke up w/ me!)
Peace,
Janis
Okay...let's get this straight. I am NOT afraid to go out or leave my home. Brianna goes some place - not many- alone and she always takes a phone.
Now, when I was 90 pounds, I successfully fought off a 6' attacker. He was very large and muscular. Attack points are attack points...no matter the size.
I fight to win.
I fight dirty.
I have weapons that take attackers by surprise.
We live our lives in a big, sometimes dangerous world. I don't take unnecessary chances and I'm well equipped to defend myself.
OTOH - I firmly believe that Brianna should learn pool, poker, blackjack and bartending - that way she'll never go hungry. My father was a bookie and taught us all poker and blackjack. I got my first truck that way (but the guy broke up w/ me!)
Peace,
Janis
----- Original Message -----
From: freeform@...
To: [email protected]
Cc: [email protected]
Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 1:46 PM
Subject: Re: [AlwaysLearning] children defending selves
On Sun, 26 Oct 2003 17:02:54 -0000 "sstr493" <sstr493@...> writes:
> BUT -- a 70 pound child -- or even a 90-100 pound child
> doesn't have much of a chance defending themselves against a
> determined, violent person who weighs 160-250 pounds.
>
If we're just talking about a physical contest, I'm a 125 pound grown
woman, so if a big guy who knew what he was doing attacked me he'd
probably win. So what should I do? Stay home in my bedroom - but wait,
what about Polly Klaus and Elizabeth Smart - that's not completely safe
either. There's no reasonable way to keep yourself or your child
completely safe, and the cost for me is too high. Children are very
rarely snatched off the streets by strangers intent on hurting them, and
our enormous media coverage of these events when they do happen
(especially to pretty little white girls, but that's another story) has
given everyone the mistaken impression that they are a lot more common
than they are. Most people aren't out there trying to hurt your kids - in
fact, my kid seems to meet an awful lot of nice people out in the world.
Dar
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-=-Okay...let's get this straight. -=-
We don't need to get any one person's story straight. We're talking
about the ideas involved.
Please don't be unnecessarily defensive or antagonistic.
Some people are way cautious, some aren't keeping as close a
leash/eye on their kids. Reasons have been given both ways and in
the middle. We don't need a consensus.
Sandra
-------------------------------------------------
We don't need to get any one person's story straight. We're talking
about the ideas involved.
Please don't be unnecessarily defensive or antagonistic.
Some people are way cautious, some aren't keeping as close a
leash/eye on their kids. Reasons have been given both ways and in
the middle. We don't need a consensus.
Sandra
-------------------------------------------------
coyote's corner
"leash"
Sandra - you never fail me!!
Janis
Sandra - you never fail me!!
Janis
----- Original Message -----
From: Sandra Dodd
To: [email protected]
Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 10:07 PM
Subject: [AlwaysLearning] Re: children defending selves
-=-Okay...let's get this straight. -=-
We don't need to get any one person's story straight. We're talking
about the ideas involved.
Please don't be unnecessarily defensive or antagonistic.
Some people are way cautious, some aren't keeping as close a
leash/eye on their kids. Reasons have been given both ways and in
the middle. We don't need a consensus.
Sandra
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badolbilz
I've been following this thread closely and thinking about it a lot
since I have 4 dd's. We live in a small rural town and neither my
sister or I ever had any advances made on us that we were aware of. But
I do worry so much about my dds' being victimized.
About teaching our children (dds') to use what they have on them as
weapons...they should also be aware that whatever they try could be
taken away and used on them by someone who initially had no weapon
besides evil intent. Two good things to attempt when under attack:
press your thumb into the eye socket as hard and as far as possible or
crush a testicle. Both actions will cause the attacker to pass out. My
lessons to my girls so far (they're all under 7) is to look around a
lot, make direct eye contact with others, stick together with other, and
if someone tries to grab them, scream as loud as they can using a lot of
words to descibe what's happening. How many times have we heard little
kids in stores struggling in an adults arms yelling, "no, I don't want
to go..." or something like that. I told my girls to use words like "I
don't know you. Somebody help me, this is a stranger." I've also told
them that there's way more good, kind people in the world than bad.
All in all it's a sad, scary lesson that makes me feel queasy...but
better safe than sorry.
I'd like to see them learn self-defense, but of course they'd have to
want to...
Heidi Case
KathrynJB@... wrote:
since I have 4 dd's. We live in a small rural town and neither my
sister or I ever had any advances made on us that we were aware of. But
I do worry so much about my dds' being victimized.
About teaching our children (dds') to use what they have on them as
weapons...they should also be aware that whatever they try could be
taken away and used on them by someone who initially had no weapon
besides evil intent. Two good things to attempt when under attack:
press your thumb into the eye socket as hard and as far as possible or
crush a testicle. Both actions will cause the attacker to pass out. My
lessons to my girls so far (they're all under 7) is to look around a
lot, make direct eye contact with others, stick together with other, and
if someone tries to grab them, scream as loud as they can using a lot of
words to descibe what's happening. How many times have we heard little
kids in stores struggling in an adults arms yelling, "no, I don't want
to go..." or something like that. I told my girls to use words like "I
don't know you. Somebody help me, this is a stranger." I've also told
them that there's way more good, kind people in the world than bad.
All in all it's a sad, scary lesson that makes me feel queasy...but
better safe than sorry.
I'd like to see them learn self-defense, but of course they'd have to
want to...
Heidi Case
KathrynJB@... wrote:
>In a message dated 10/27/2003 4:05:06 AM Eastern Standard Time,
>[email protected] writes:
>We know how to 'make' weapons out of so many things....that's useful.
>Know what to scream...."Help me", sadly doesn't work as well as "Fire" or
>"Stop! Thief!"
>We have a family friend who swears that we should all carry guns to protect
>ourselves. I worked with battered women for many years, and my partner with
>rape survivors, and we worked with this cool self-defense expert who said that
>carrying guns are a very bad idea. Most assaults are made by people who are
>NOT carrying a weapon, so the result of having one means that there's always a
>gun on the scene, and you might not end up being the person controlling it.
>
>He said that being aware of items like keys, ways to use your body, a heavy
>purse, etc, were much more effective things if you needed to use them.
>Ultimately, he said, it's better to survive, even if something terrible happens to
>you. You can heal from even terrible things. But if you're killed, it's just over.
>
>Kathryn
>
>
>
Angela McGinn
Heidi,
At what age did you start teaching them this? My oldest is 4.5 yrs. I think I SHOULD do something to enable her to protect herself. But the thought of introducing that concept into her still innocent mind......I can't do it yet. I know it's sort of a necessary evil though.
What have others done about this with their own children?
Angela McGinn
At what age did you start teaching them this? My oldest is 4.5 yrs. I think I SHOULD do something to enable her to protect herself. But the thought of introducing that concept into her still innocent mind......I can't do it yet. I know it's sort of a necessary evil though.
What have others done about this with their own children?
Angela McGinn
----- Original Message -----
From: badolbilz
To: [email protected]
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 10:59 AM
Subject: Re: [AlwaysLearning] Re: children defending selves
I've been following this thread closely and thinking about it a lot
since I have 4 dd's. We live in a small rural town and neither my
sister or I ever had any advances made on us that we were aware of. But
I do worry so much about my dds' being victimized.
About teaching our children (dds') to use what they have on them as
weapons...they should also be aware that whatever they try could be
taken away and used on them by someone who initially had no weapon
besides evil intent. Two good things to attempt when under attack:
press your thumb into the eye socket as hard and as far as possible or
crush a testicle. Both actions will cause the attacker to pass out. My
lessons to my girls so far (they're all under 7) is to look around a
lot, make direct eye contact with others, stick together with other, and
if someone tries to grab them, scream as loud as they can using a lot of
words to descibe what's happening. How many times have we heard little
kids in stores struggling in an adults arms yelling, "no, I don't want
to go..." or something like that. I told my girls to use words like "I
don't know you. Somebody help me, this is a stranger." I've also told
them that there's way more good, kind people in the world than bad.
All in all it's a sad, scary lesson that makes me feel queasy...but
better safe than sorry.
I'd like to see them learn self-defense, but of course they'd have to
want to...
Heidi Case
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coyote's corner
I couldn't agree more! Another worry about guns is the fact that we travel from state to state. Different states - different laws.
We have weapons that are everyday items.
I like direct spray weapons.
I like weapons that I can use close up and at a distance.
But guns??
no.
Janis
We have weapons that are everyday items.
I like direct spray weapons.
I like weapons that I can use close up and at a distance.
But guns??
no.
Janis
----- Original Message -----
From: KathrynJB@...
To: [email protected]
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 8:28 AM
Subject: [AlwaysLearning] Re: children defending selves
In a message dated 10/27/2003 4:05:06 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[email protected] writes:
We know how to 'make' weapons out of so many things....that's useful.
Know what to scream...."Help me", sadly doesn't work as well as "Fire" or
"Stop! Thief!"
We have a family friend who swears that we should all carry guns to protect
ourselves. I worked with battered women for many years, and my partner with
rape survivors, and we worked with this cool self-defense expert who said that
carrying guns are a very bad idea. Most assaults are made by people who are
NOT carrying a weapon, so the result of having one means that there's always a
gun on the scene, and you might not end up being the person controlling it.
He said that being aware of items like keys, ways to use your body, a heavy
purse, etc, were much more effective things if you needed to use them.
Ultimately, he said, it's better to survive, even if something terrible happens to
you. You can heal from even terrible things. But if you're killed, it's just over.
Kathryn
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J. Stauffer
What I teach children (have taught self-defense courses for about 5 years
off and on) including my own is to not let anyone outside the immediate
family close enough to touch you without taking a step.
I talk with my older kids, 10 and 12, about the fact that if they let people
close enough to touch them, they are trusting that person with their life.
I also tell them to be sure to let me know where they are at all times, in
case of emergencies. Makes them less likely to go off with friends,
strangers, uncles, older kids, etc. without my knowledge. If the perp knows
that I know the kid is with them during such and such period, they are less
likely to take advantage.
off and on) including my own is to not let anyone outside the immediate
family close enough to touch you without taking a step.
I talk with my older kids, 10 and 12, about the fact that if they let people
close enough to touch them, they are trusting that person with their life.
I also tell them to be sure to let me know where they are at all times, in
case of emergencies. Makes them less likely to go off with friends,
strangers, uncles, older kids, etc. without my knowledge. If the perp knows
that I know the kid is with them during such and such period, they are less
likely to take advantage.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Angela McGinn" <amcginn@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 11:15 AM
Subject: Re: [AlwaysLearning] Re: children defending selves
> Heidi,
> At what age did you start teaching them this? My oldest is 4.5 yrs. I
think I SHOULD do something to enable her to protect herself. But the
thought of introducing that concept into her still innocent mind......I
can't do it yet. I know it's sort of a necessary evil though.
>
> What have others done about this with their own children?
>
> Angela McGinn
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: badolbilz
> To: [email protected]
> Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 10:59 AM
> Subject: Re: [AlwaysLearning] Re: children defending selves
>
>
> I've been following this thread closely and thinking about it a lot
> since I have 4 dd's. We live in a small rural town and neither my
> sister or I ever had any advances made on us that we were aware of. But
> I do worry so much about my dds' being victimized.
>
> About teaching our children (dds') to use what they have on them as
> weapons...they should also be aware that whatever they try could be
> taken away and used on them by someone who initially had no weapon
> besides evil intent. Two good things to attempt when under attack:
> press your thumb into the eye socket as hard and as far as possible or
> crush a testicle. Both actions will cause the attacker to pass out. My
> lessons to my girls so far (they're all under 7) is to look around a
> lot, make direct eye contact with others, stick together with other, and
> if someone tries to grab them, scream as loud as they can using a lot of
> words to descibe what's happening. How many times have we heard little
> kids in stores struggling in an adults arms yelling, "no, I don't want
> to go..." or something like that. I told my girls to use words like "I
> don't know you. Somebody help me, this is a stranger." I've also told
> them that there's way more good, kind people in the world than bad.
>
> All in all it's a sad, scary lesson that makes me feel queasy...but
> better safe than sorry.
> I'd like to see them learn self-defense, but of course they'd have to
> want to...
> Heidi Case
>
>
>
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On 26 Oct 2003 at 17:02, sstr493 wrote:
"willing" to do what is necessary to defend yourself.
I know several women who have a handgun at home or in their car. They know how to
use them. If you asked them could they shoot someone dead...they start to waver. They
have taken courses but they are not will to pull that trigger and kill someone. On the
other hand, I would.
Lydia, mom to Lyndsey
> Don't ever think that just because a child has taken self defense,I think that there is a difference between "taking" a self defense course and being
> that they can *truely* defend themselves against a very strong adult!
"willing" to do what is necessary to defend yourself.
I know several women who have a handgun at home or in their car. They know how to
use them. If you asked them could they shoot someone dead...they start to waver. They
have taken courses but they are not will to pull that trigger and kill someone. On the
other hand, I would.
Lydia, mom to Lyndsey