Dog advice request
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Neglectful neighbors left two dogs in a bathroom to be cared for by other
neighbor for four days. Other neighbor couldn't stand it, came to talk to me, I
know both dogs, offered to keep them.
Vacation turned to five days.
I want the bigger dog (8 month or so old Australian this'n'that, longer
haired than our official-cattle-dog-looking dog). They've said before that I can't
have him, and they said so again. He outgrew his collar and they didn't buy
him another. They never walk him, they have no fence, and if they let him out
he comes over here.
Puppy #2 is younger, maybe three months female.
Bad point: named "Flower" and so is one of our cats.
Worse point: Pit Bull
But Holly likes it. Keith is softening up.
I'm afraid of dogs with mean instincts and strong jaws.
We thought another friend could take it; he can't.
He's asking his brother tonight if he can take her.
But Keith already took possession, this afternoon (so the puppy only had to
spend one more night in the bathroom).
I could ask the local homeschooling list if anyone wants her, or at least to
keep her for a while until a good home is found. I could call around and look
for a pit bull rescue group or something along those lines.
Anyone want to talk me in or out of keeping a baby pit bull? We already have
an Australian cattle dog, five or six years old. We have room, we can afford
food, she'll stop eating the toilet paper and kleenex eventually.
She's not really my kind of dog. Holly likes her. Keith's a soft-hearted
guy. Our cats had finally come home last night, and now the shy ones have gone
back out to their far-yard hiding places.
I just asked Kirby what he thinks. He says he really likes her.
We'd have to change her name.
Sandra
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neighbor for four days. Other neighbor couldn't stand it, came to talk to me, I
know both dogs, offered to keep them.
Vacation turned to five days.
I want the bigger dog (8 month or so old Australian this'n'that, longer
haired than our official-cattle-dog-looking dog). They've said before that I can't
have him, and they said so again. He outgrew his collar and they didn't buy
him another. They never walk him, they have no fence, and if they let him out
he comes over here.
Puppy #2 is younger, maybe three months female.
Bad point: named "Flower" and so is one of our cats.
Worse point: Pit Bull
But Holly likes it. Keith is softening up.
I'm afraid of dogs with mean instincts and strong jaws.
We thought another friend could take it; he can't.
He's asking his brother tonight if he can take her.
But Keith already took possession, this afternoon (so the puppy only had to
spend one more night in the bathroom).
I could ask the local homeschooling list if anyone wants her, or at least to
keep her for a while until a good home is found. I could call around and look
for a pit bull rescue group or something along those lines.
Anyone want to talk me in or out of keeping a baby pit bull? We already have
an Australian cattle dog, five or six years old. We have room, we can afford
food, she'll stop eating the toilet paper and kleenex eventually.
She's not really my kind of dog. Holly likes her. Keith's a soft-hearted
guy. Our cats had finally come home last night, and now the shy ones have gone
back out to their far-yard hiding places.
I just asked Kirby what he thinks. He says he really likes her.
We'd have to change her name.
Sandra
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Pam Hartley
Pit bulls get a bum rap, mostly. :) They do tend to be dog-aggressive, but
with a male and female in the house your chances of trouble in that regard
are small. Some of them will kill small furry creatures (i.e, the cats) but
many will get along with them just fine.
They're clever, and they usually want to do what you want.
Pam
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with a male and female in the house your chances of trouble in that regard
are small. Some of them will kill small furry creatures (i.e, the cats) but
many will get along with them just fine.
They're clever, and they usually want to do what you want.
Pam
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>From: SandraDodd@...I
>To: [email protected]
>Subject: [AlwaysLearning] Dog advice request
>Date: Wed, Aug 13, 2003, 7:39 PM
>
> Neglectful neighbors left two dogs in a bathroom to be cared for by other
> neighbor for four days. Other neighbor couldn't stand it, came to talk to me,
> know both dogs, offered to keep them.gone
>
> Vacation turned to five days.
>
> I want the bigger dog (8 month or so old Australian this'n'that, longer
> haired than our official-cattle-dog-looking dog). They've said before that
> I can't
> have him, and they said so again. He outgrew his collar and they didn't buy
> him another. They never walk him, they have no fence, and if they let him out
> he comes over here.
>
> Puppy #2 is younger, maybe three months female.
> Bad point: named "Flower" and so is one of our cats.
> Worse point: Pit Bull
>
> But Holly likes it. Keith is softening up.
> I'm afraid of dogs with mean instincts and strong jaws.
>
> We thought another friend could take it; he can't.
> He's asking his brother tonight if he can take her.
>
> But Keith already took possession, this afternoon (so the puppy only had to
> spend one more night in the bathroom).
>
> I could ask the local homeschooling list if anyone wants her, or at least to
> keep her for a while until a good home is found. I could call around and look
> for a pit bull rescue group or something along those lines.
>
> Anyone want to talk me in or out of keeping a baby pit bull? We already have
> an Australian cattle dog, five or six years old. We have room, we can afford
> food, she'll stop eating the toilet paper and kleenex eventually.
>
> She's not really my kind of dog. Holly likes her. Keith's a soft-hearted
> guy. Our cats had finally come home last night, and now the shy ones have
> back out to their far-yard hiding places.
>
> I just asked Kirby what he thinks. He says he really likes her.
>
> We'd have to change her name.
>
> Sandra
>
>
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I think pit bulls can be nice dogs. I have a deaf Jack
Russell.. I have heard they are horrible with kids.
Ours is a doll. She is patient beyond what she should
be with my 3 yo who loves her and loves her and loves
her.. I think breeds may have bad tendencies, but each
dog is very much like each child an individual.
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Ours is a doll. She is patient beyond what she should
be with my 3 yo who loves her and loves her and loves
her.. I think breeds may have bad tendencies, but each
dog is very much like each child an individual.
--- SandraDodd@... wrote:
> Neglectful neighbors left two dogs in a bathroom to__________________________________
> be cared for by other
> neighbor for four days. Other neighbor couldn't
> stand it, came to talk to me, I
> know both dogs, offered to keep them.
>
> Vacation turned to five days.
>
> I want the bigger dog (8 month or so old Australian
> this'n'that, longer
> haired than our official-cattle-dog-looking dog).
> They've said before that I can't
> have him, and they said so again. He outgrew his
> collar and they didn't buy
> him another. They never walk him, they have no
> fence, and if they let him out
> he comes over here.
>
> Puppy #2 is younger, maybe three months female.
> Bad point: named "Flower" and so is one of our
> cats.
> Worse point: Pit Bull
>
> But Holly likes it. Keith is softening up.
> I'm afraid of dogs with mean instincts and strong
> jaws.
>
> We thought another friend could take it; he can't.
> He's asking his brother tonight if he can take her.
>
> But Keith already took possession, this afternoon
> (so the puppy only had to
> spend one more night in the bathroom).
>
> I could ask the local homeschooling list if anyone
> wants her, or at least to
> keep her for a while until a good home is found. I
> could call around and look
> for a pit bull rescue group or something along those
> lines.
>
> Anyone want to talk me in or out of keeping a baby
> pit bull? We already have
> an Australian cattle dog, five or six years old. We
> have room, we can afford
> food, she'll stop eating the toilet paper and
> kleenex eventually.
>
> She's not really my kind of dog. Holly likes her.
> Keith's a soft-hearted
> guy. Our cats had finally come home last night, and
> now the shy ones have gone
> back out to their far-yard hiding places.
>
> I just asked Kirby what he thinks. He says he
> really likes her.
>
> We'd have to change her name.
>
> Sandra
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been
> removed]
>
>
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In a message dated 8/13/03 7:40:32 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
SandraDodd@... writes:
So the neighbors who own the dogs are in fact giving them up, they just don't
want your family to have them?
As for the PitBull, well we have had our share. We are what some may refer to
as a PitbBull family. Including my aunts and in-laws we have somewhere around
12 Pits in the family. That is not to say that we have not experienced the
temperament that concerns you. For the most part, we have had wonderful
experiences. However, I think I posted here a while back, that our newest Pit,
Hercules II, killed our newest kitten Ace. Hercules was a puppy but as soon as he
starting getting bigger than my Schipperke, he started to display aggressive
behaviors. He became very jealous of any attention Sparky received, he then became
territorial over everything. Shipperke's by nature, are guard dogs and
although they are small in stature, they are very protective and very good defenders
of property and person. Needless to say, Sparky was getting attacked
seemingly out of the blue. Although Sparky did do some serious ass kicking, Hercules
was growing larger and my concern was that there would come a day that Sparky
would not win.
It was very disappointing, because being from a family of Pit owners, we knew
the behavior was something that was innate in this specific dog. Phil and I
decided to separate the dogs and although I really wanted Hercules to be put
down, I knew Phil's heart was broken and he really loved what seemed a
reincarnation of our first Hercules. But their demeanors were extreme opposites. Then
we got our three new kittens. One day while shopping with my mom, Hercules saw
Ace and came through the screen of our sliding door and mauled the poor
kitten. Kass & Kree were hysterical and since it all happened so quickly, while Phil
was mowing the lawn, they couldn't save the kitten. The bigger issue for me
upon walking in to the house and seeing everyone in tears was that at least it
wasn't one of my daughters. We rushed the kitten to the vet and a hundred
dollars later he was home with us to live out his last few hours. I ended up
putting him down myself. It was horrible. Yet Ace was the small sacrifice that made
us understand that for the first time we had one of those Pits. I was angry,
not because the dog acted upon his instincts, but because we hadn't accepted
that he was not the dog for us earlier.
It would have been tougher to get rid of him without the killing of the
kitten, because until he started fighting with Sparky, he slept with Kass and Kree.
We all loved him, we know how to handle Pits, yet we still had a bad
experience. So even though we miss poor Ace and are sorry for the way he died, without
his death, I wonder if we would still have Hercules II. In which case it may
not have been a kitten, but rather a kid. I know none of us would have been
able to live with that.
So although I still believe that the environment they live in is a factor, it
also remains that they are wired to kill. Everytime he went after Sparky it
was straight for the throat. Sometimes when Sparky just walked by.
Now Hercules, the first, was the complete opposite. He was gentle and lovable
and just really large. He accepted Sparky's status as the alpha male the
entire time. The only aggression he ever displayed was against a Rottweiler that
beelined for Sparky only to be taken out by Hercules. He was protective of
Sparky and the twins. But not in the sense that I ever worried about his
interactions with them or even strangers. When he was stolen from our yard, I cried and
cried. I hadn't even originally wanted him. But as all things that start that
way, I grew attached to him in such a way, that the loss of him broke my
heart, and that of my Dh and the girls. I searched day and night for him, I
visited every shelter for about a 50 mile radius. We never got him back.
Some five years later, when Phil had a friend with papered puppies, he went
to look and was shocked to see Hercules II, exact same markings and what seemed
like getting back the one we missed. But we were wrong to think the original
Hercules could ever be replaced.
So I won't say don't keep her, but if you do be cautious of negative
behaviors that are not learned, but that are innate and less likely to be changed. All
the advice in the world won't matter if someone or something you love gets
hurt.
Good Luck and let us know what happens.
Rhonda
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SandraDodd@... writes:
> I want the bigger dog (8 month or so old Australian this'n'that, longerSandra,
> haired than our official-cattle-dog-looking dog). They've said before that
> I can't
> have him, and they said so again. He outgrew his collar and they didn't buy
>
> him another. They never walk him, they have no fence, and if they let him
> out
> he comes over here.
>
> Puppy #2 is younger, maybe three months female.
> Bad point: named "Flower" and so is one of our cats.
> Worse point: Pit Bull
>
> But Holly likes it. Keith is softening up.
> I'm afraid of dogs with mean instincts and strong jaws.
>
So the neighbors who own the dogs are in fact giving them up, they just don't
want your family to have them?
As for the PitBull, well we have had our share. We are what some may refer to
as a PitbBull family. Including my aunts and in-laws we have somewhere around
12 Pits in the family. That is not to say that we have not experienced the
temperament that concerns you. For the most part, we have had wonderful
experiences. However, I think I posted here a while back, that our newest Pit,
Hercules II, killed our newest kitten Ace. Hercules was a puppy but as soon as he
starting getting bigger than my Schipperke, he started to display aggressive
behaviors. He became very jealous of any attention Sparky received, he then became
territorial over everything. Shipperke's by nature, are guard dogs and
although they are small in stature, they are very protective and very good defenders
of property and person. Needless to say, Sparky was getting attacked
seemingly out of the blue. Although Sparky did do some serious ass kicking, Hercules
was growing larger and my concern was that there would come a day that Sparky
would not win.
It was very disappointing, because being from a family of Pit owners, we knew
the behavior was something that was innate in this specific dog. Phil and I
decided to separate the dogs and although I really wanted Hercules to be put
down, I knew Phil's heart was broken and he really loved what seemed a
reincarnation of our first Hercules. But their demeanors were extreme opposites. Then
we got our three new kittens. One day while shopping with my mom, Hercules saw
Ace and came through the screen of our sliding door and mauled the poor
kitten. Kass & Kree were hysterical and since it all happened so quickly, while Phil
was mowing the lawn, they couldn't save the kitten. The bigger issue for me
upon walking in to the house and seeing everyone in tears was that at least it
wasn't one of my daughters. We rushed the kitten to the vet and a hundred
dollars later he was home with us to live out his last few hours. I ended up
putting him down myself. It was horrible. Yet Ace was the small sacrifice that made
us understand that for the first time we had one of those Pits. I was angry,
not because the dog acted upon his instincts, but because we hadn't accepted
that he was not the dog for us earlier.
It would have been tougher to get rid of him without the killing of the
kitten, because until he started fighting with Sparky, he slept with Kass and Kree.
We all loved him, we know how to handle Pits, yet we still had a bad
experience. So even though we miss poor Ace and are sorry for the way he died, without
his death, I wonder if we would still have Hercules II. In which case it may
not have been a kitten, but rather a kid. I know none of us would have been
able to live with that.
So although I still believe that the environment they live in is a factor, it
also remains that they are wired to kill. Everytime he went after Sparky it
was straight for the throat. Sometimes when Sparky just walked by.
Now Hercules, the first, was the complete opposite. He was gentle and lovable
and just really large. He accepted Sparky's status as the alpha male the
entire time. The only aggression he ever displayed was against a Rottweiler that
beelined for Sparky only to be taken out by Hercules. He was protective of
Sparky and the twins. But not in the sense that I ever worried about his
interactions with them or even strangers. When he was stolen from our yard, I cried and
cried. I hadn't even originally wanted him. But as all things that start that
way, I grew attached to him in such a way, that the loss of him broke my
heart, and that of my Dh and the girls. I searched day and night for him, I
visited every shelter for about a 50 mile radius. We never got him back.
Some five years later, when Phil had a friend with papered puppies, he went
to look and was shocked to see Hercules II, exact same markings and what seemed
like getting back the one we missed. But we were wrong to think the original
Hercules could ever be replaced.
So I won't say don't keep her, but if you do be cautious of negative
behaviors that are not learned, but that are innate and less likely to be changed. All
the advice in the world won't matter if someone or something you love gets
hurt.
Good Luck and let us know what happens.
Rhonda
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[email protected]
Thanks for the input so far!
Will fixed females still be difficult?
It's the dog I can't have, Oreo the Australo-mutt, who's male.
-=-I think pit bulls can be nice dogs. I have a deaf Jack
Russell.. I have heard they are horrible with kids.
Ours is a doll. -=-
We have a book that recommends against australian cattle dog + kids, but for
one thing our kids are taller than the dog, and it's been very safe and
peaceable for many years.
-=-So the neighbors who own the dogs are in fact giving them up, they just
don't
want your family to have them? -=-
They won't give me the one I want!!
They'll only give me (or friends of mine) the other one. Their only
stipulation is they don't want me to give it to anyone who wants to clip and prune it
and send it to fight roosters, or whatever. Bulls. Bears. Bait.
-=-Hercules
was growing larger and my concern was that there would come a day that Sparky
would not win. -=-
That's my main concern--that someday she'll hurt Gudrun, who's not at all
mean.
Sandra
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> They do tend to be dog-aggressive, butOur dog and the pit bull are female.
> with a male and female in the house your chances of trouble in that regard
> are small.
Will fixed females still be difficult?
It's the dog I can't have, Oreo the Australo-mutt, who's male.
-=-I think pit bulls can be nice dogs. I have a deaf Jack
Russell.. I have heard they are horrible with kids.
Ours is a doll. -=-
We have a book that recommends against australian cattle dog + kids, but for
one thing our kids are taller than the dog, and it's been very safe and
peaceable for many years.
-=-So the neighbors who own the dogs are in fact giving them up, they just
don't
want your family to have them? -=-
They won't give me the one I want!!
They'll only give me (or friends of mine) the other one. Their only
stipulation is they don't want me to give it to anyone who wants to clip and prune it
and send it to fight roosters, or whatever. Bulls. Bears. Bait.
-=-Hercules
was growing larger and my concern was that there would come a day that Sparky
would not win. -=-
That's my main concern--that someday she'll hurt Gudrun, who's not at all
mean.
Sandra
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Pam Hartley
Whoops, sorry!
Two females can get along fine, it's not an automatic recipe for disaster.
However, for those that decide NOT to get along, one of them will end up
having to find a new home, as girl dogs fight mean and never give up. They
don't call 'em bitches for nothing. ;)
Spayed or not doesn't seem to make much difference.
Pam
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Two females can get along fine, it's not an automatic recipe for disaster.
However, for those that decide NOT to get along, one of them will end up
having to find a new home, as girl dogs fight mean and never give up. They
don't call 'em bitches for nothing. ;)
Spayed or not doesn't seem to make much difference.
Pam
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>From: SandraDodd@...
>To: [email protected]
>Subject: Re: [AlwaysLearning] Dog advice request
>Date: Wed, Aug 13, 2003, 8:52 PM
>
> Our dog and the pit bull are female.
> Will fixed females still be difficult?
> It's the dog I can't have, Oreo the Australo-mutt, who's male.
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In a message dated 8/13/03 9:00:39 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
pamhartley@... writes:
Okay well I left out the dog we had between Hercules 1 & 2. Phil fell in love
with my best friends Pomeranians! Which you'd kind of have to know Phil, to
know that is the last dog a person would ever expect him to even look twice at.
Phil stands a solid 6 feet tall at about 230 lbs. Pure muscle, a man's man
and a Marine. Anyway when my friends dogs got pregnant, Phil was guaranteed his
pick. He chose a blonde female that the twins named Lucy (their adornment of
the "I Love Lucy", they wanted to say everytime they walked in the
dorr..."Lucy...we're home!!!).
Anyway she was the perfect little rat-dog. Pure bred and as gorgeous as any
show Pom we had ever seen. She was feisty, loved running endless laps around
the pool and thought she was the queen of all cricket catchers. Then she would
kiss and lick Sparky as he just sat looking worn out from watching her use so
much energy. She would pester him to no end and he would finally give in and
play with her. She was the epitome of a female. She would be naughty all day and
the second Phil got home she'd slow down and seem coy as though we were all
making up the stuff she did. As we bitched about things she done, she just lick
his face as if to say Kass & Kree & I were all lying... He would talk to her
and tell her he knew we were making things up about her. It could have been
irritating, except that it was so damn funny.
Two weeks before our house was done being built, someone poisoned her. We
lived with my other best friend, who had a loser of a boyfriend. We will never
know for sure how it happened, but the boyfriend was mad at us, primarily at
Phil, because we were tired of his shit. So we buried her in my girlfriends
backyard.
Phil got the second Hercules about six months after we moved into this house.
He missed Lucy so much and the whole idea of another Hercules, he just
couldn't pass up getting the new Pit. I wish now, we had gotten a new Pomeranian
instead. There is a Disney movie with a psycho little Pom, that looks just like
his Lucy. When it comes on, he can't watch it without getting angry about
people who are cruel and use animals to get to people. So he calls upon the dog
gods to make sure such people get their just deserves.
Rhonda
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pamhartley@... writes:
> as girl dogs fight mean and never give up. TheyBoy isn't that the truth!!! Good one Pam, you had me rolling!!!
> don't call 'em bitches for nothing. ;)
>
>
Okay well I left out the dog we had between Hercules 1 & 2. Phil fell in love
with my best friends Pomeranians! Which you'd kind of have to know Phil, to
know that is the last dog a person would ever expect him to even look twice at.
Phil stands a solid 6 feet tall at about 230 lbs. Pure muscle, a man's man
and a Marine. Anyway when my friends dogs got pregnant, Phil was guaranteed his
pick. He chose a blonde female that the twins named Lucy (their adornment of
the "I Love Lucy", they wanted to say everytime they walked in the
dorr..."Lucy...we're home!!!).
Anyway she was the perfect little rat-dog. Pure bred and as gorgeous as any
show Pom we had ever seen. She was feisty, loved running endless laps around
the pool and thought she was the queen of all cricket catchers. Then she would
kiss and lick Sparky as he just sat looking worn out from watching her use so
much energy. She would pester him to no end and he would finally give in and
play with her. She was the epitome of a female. She would be naughty all day and
the second Phil got home she'd slow down and seem coy as though we were all
making up the stuff she did. As we bitched about things she done, she just lick
his face as if to say Kass & Kree & I were all lying... He would talk to her
and tell her he knew we were making things up about her. It could have been
irritating, except that it was so damn funny.
Two weeks before our house was done being built, someone poisoned her. We
lived with my other best friend, who had a loser of a boyfriend. We will never
know for sure how it happened, but the boyfriend was mad at us, primarily at
Phil, because we were tired of his shit. So we buried her in my girlfriends
backyard.
Phil got the second Hercules about six months after we moved into this house.
He missed Lucy so much and the whole idea of another Hercules, he just
couldn't pass up getting the new Pit. I wish now, we had gotten a new Pomeranian
instead. There is a Disney movie with a psycho little Pom, that looks just like
his Lucy. When it comes on, he can't watch it without getting angry about
people who are cruel and use animals to get to people. So he calls upon the dog
gods to make sure such people get their just deserves.
Rhonda
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Kris
<<We have a book that recommends against australian cattle dog + kids, but
for
one thing our kids are taller than the dog, and it's been very safe and
peaceable for many years.>>
Good friends have a female Blue Heeler, she's not a push over but still
sweet and gentle. They were very careful to establish their own dominance
in her mind and I think it's a gamble with this breed. They have been happy
with her, their kids are older but she still tries to "herd" them, nipping
at their heels if they're being loud or boisterous.
Kris
for
one thing our kids are taller than the dog, and it's been very safe and
peaceable for many years.>>
Good friends have a female Blue Heeler, she's not a push over but still
sweet and gentle. They were very careful to establish their own dominance
in her mind and I think it's a gamble with this breed. They have been happy
with her, their kids are older but she still tries to "herd" them, nipping
at their heels if they're being loud or boisterous.
Kris
Kris
<<Anyway she was the perfect little rat-dog. Pure bred and as gorgeous as
any
show Pom we had ever seen. She was feisty, loved running endless laps around
the pool and thought she was the queen of all cricket catchers. >>
My parents got a Pom just before I was born, Skeeter, he was my mom's dog
until I arrived when he decided my Dad was his best friend. I grew up with
this little guy, he was the biggest personality in my life for many years.
He didn't know he was tiny, we say he had a "Napoleon Complex". He would
challenge any dog, any size with enough courage to fuel a super hero. He
was over 10 years old, lost all of his teeth and disappeared one night
during a thunderstorm. He had gone out to go potty and must have bolted
when he heard thunder. He was one of the best two dogs we ever had.
Kris
any
show Pom we had ever seen. She was feisty, loved running endless laps around
the pool and thought she was the queen of all cricket catchers. >>
My parents got a Pom just before I was born, Skeeter, he was my mom's dog
until I arrived when he decided my Dad was his best friend. I grew up with
this little guy, he was the biggest personality in my life for many years.
He didn't know he was tiny, we say he had a "Napoleon Complex". He would
challenge any dog, any size with enough courage to fuel a super hero. He
was over 10 years old, lost all of his teeth and disappeared one night
during a thunderstorm. He had gone out to go potty and must have bolted
when he heard thunder. He was one of the best two dogs we ever had.
Kris
Kris
<<Puppy #2 is younger, maybe three months female.
Bad point: named "Flower" and so is one of our cats.
Worse point: Pit Bull>>
I've only known one Pit personally and he had the temperament of a Pooh
Bear. I watched as his owner's grand daughter pulled on his ear, which was
sore from an infection, while he was sleeping and all he did was whine. I'm
sure nurture is a big factor but a lot of shelters won't adopt them out,
they are put down.
Kris
Bad point: named "Flower" and so is one of our cats.
Worse point: Pit Bull>>
I've only known one Pit personally and he had the temperament of a Pooh
Bear. I watched as his owner's grand daughter pulled on his ear, which was
sore from an infection, while he was sleeping and all he did was whine. I'm
sure nurture is a big factor but a lot of shelters won't adopt them out,
they are put down.
Kris
coyote's corner
Brianna & I add our requests to the dog gods.
How horrible for you...
I'm so sorry.
Janis
How horrible for you...
I'm so sorry.
Janis
----- Original Message -----
From: rjhill241@...
To: [email protected]
Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 12:27 AM
Subject: Re: [AlwaysLearning] Dog advice request
In a message dated 8/13/03 9:00:39 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
pamhartley@... writes:
> as girl dogs fight mean and never give up. They
> don't call 'em bitches for nothing. ;)
>
>
Boy isn't that the truth!!! Good one Pam, you had me rolling!!!
Okay well I left out the dog we had between Hercules 1 & 2. Phil fell in love
with my best friends Pomeranians! Which you'd kind of have to know Phil, to
know that is the last dog a person would ever expect him to even look twice at.
Phil stands a solid 6 feet tall at about 230 lbs. Pure muscle, a man's man
and a Marine. Anyway when my friends dogs got pregnant, Phil was guaranteed his
pick. He chose a blonde female that the twins named Lucy (their adornment of
the "I Love Lucy", they wanted to say everytime they walked in the
dorr..."Lucy...we're home!!!).
Anyway she was the perfect little rat-dog. Pure bred and as gorgeous as any
show Pom we had ever seen. She was feisty, loved running endless laps around
the pool and thought she was the queen of all cricket catchers. Then she would
kiss and lick Sparky as he just sat looking worn out from watching her use so
much energy. She would pester him to no end and he would finally give in and
play with her. She was the epitome of a female. She would be naughty all day and
the second Phil got home she'd slow down and seem coy as though we were all
making up the stuff she did. As we bitched about things she done, she just lick
his face as if to say Kass & Kree & I were all lying... He would talk to her
and tell her he knew we were making things up about her. It could have been
irritating, except that it was so damn funny.
Two weeks before our house was done being built, someone poisoned her. We
lived with my other best friend, who had a loser of a boyfriend. We will never
know for sure how it happened, but the boyfriend was mad at us, primarily at
Phil, because we were tired of his shit. So we buried her in my girlfriends
backyard.
Phil got the second Hercules about six months after we moved into this house.
He missed Lucy so much and the whole idea of another Hercules, he just
couldn't pass up getting the new Pit. I wish now, we had gotten a new Pomeranian
instead. There is a Disney movie with a psycho little Pom, that looks just like
his Lucy. When it comes on, he can't watch it without getting angry about
people who are cruel and use animals to get to people. So he calls upon the dog
gods to make sure such people get their just deserves.
Rhonda
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Nanci Kuykendall
<<Puppy #2 is younger, maybe three months female.
Bad point: named "Flower" and so is one of our cats.
Worse point: Pit Bull>>
comfortable around pit bulls, although reason tells me
that there must be some who overcome the breeding of
centuries, particularly now that they are not all bred
for pit fighting.
However...
When I was about 7 and my brother 8 and we were
growing up in the city (San Francisco) we were awoken
in the predawn hours Christmas morning to the sounds
of screaming, shouting and commotion. Now we didn't
live in a bad neighborhood, so this was not typical or
anything. We ran to the upper floor window to see our
neighborhood paper boy, delivering early so he could
be home with his family later, down on the sidewalk
being mauled by two pit bulls. A man in a long coat
was holding their leashes and calmly watching.
Our pajama clad father rushed out into the street, and
the man and his dogs ran off. My dad carried the
paper boy into the house, clothes torn, streaming
blood, half conscious and he was laid out on the floor
on a blanket in the front hall while the ambulance was
called. My parents didn't want to move him any
further than necessary. My brother and I watched,
round eyed, through the stair railing halfway up the
stairs, as he was triaged by our parents, then the
EMTs. It was a subdued Christmas morning.
A few weeks later, after he was out of the hospital,
the paper boy came by with his family to thank my
father for saving his life. His face was permanently
scarred and stitched up, one arm and one leg were
badly broken. I'm sure he had other injuries that
were not as visible. His parents had to carry him up
the porch steps so he could thank my father, but it
was important to him they said.
So, I don't like pit bulls and I doubt I ever will.
But that is just one experience, and obviously the
"nurture" (torture?) factor played a role in it, as
the owner was obviously some sadistic bastard.
Nanci K.
Bad point: named "Flower" and so is one of our cats.
Worse point: Pit Bull>>
>I've only known one Pit personally and he had theOK, here is my pit bull experience. I can never be
>temperament of a Pooh Bear. ....I'm sure nurture is
>a big factor but a lot of shelters won't adopt them
>out, they are put down.
>Kris
comfortable around pit bulls, although reason tells me
that there must be some who overcome the breeding of
centuries, particularly now that they are not all bred
for pit fighting.
However...
When I was about 7 and my brother 8 and we were
growing up in the city (San Francisco) we were awoken
in the predawn hours Christmas morning to the sounds
of screaming, shouting and commotion. Now we didn't
live in a bad neighborhood, so this was not typical or
anything. We ran to the upper floor window to see our
neighborhood paper boy, delivering early so he could
be home with his family later, down on the sidewalk
being mauled by two pit bulls. A man in a long coat
was holding their leashes and calmly watching.
Our pajama clad father rushed out into the street, and
the man and his dogs ran off. My dad carried the
paper boy into the house, clothes torn, streaming
blood, half conscious and he was laid out on the floor
on a blanket in the front hall while the ambulance was
called. My parents didn't want to move him any
further than necessary. My brother and I watched,
round eyed, through the stair railing halfway up the
stairs, as he was triaged by our parents, then the
EMTs. It was a subdued Christmas morning.
A few weeks later, after he was out of the hospital,
the paper boy came by with his family to thank my
father for saving his life. His face was permanently
scarred and stitched up, one arm and one leg were
badly broken. I'm sure he had other injuries that
were not as visible. His parents had to carry him up
the porch steps so he could thank my father, but it
was important to him they said.
So, I don't like pit bulls and I doubt I ever will.
But that is just one experience, and obviously the
"nurture" (torture?) factor played a role in it, as
the owner was obviously some sadistic bastard.
Nanci K.
Pam Hartley
There are a great many breeds of dog that have been specifically created by
humans to behave with aggression one way or another -- pit bulls for dog
fighting, bulldogs for bull and bear-baiting, Irish Wolfhounds are
responsible for the fact that there are no more wolves in Ireland, Jack
Russell Terriers to be ratters without equal, etc.
When instinct is permitted to go awry, through bad breeding or bad handling,
it is the fault of the human half of the covenant. It is not a matter of pit
bulls (or any other hunting or guard breed) to "overcome" the breeding of
centuries, it is a matter of non-animal-savvy people not thinking these or
any dog (or cat or horse or snake or rabbit) is a wind-up toy.
In our irresponsible society, dog bites are a symptom of human idiocy.
Pam
----------
humans to behave with aggression one way or another -- pit bulls for dog
fighting, bulldogs for bull and bear-baiting, Irish Wolfhounds are
responsible for the fact that there are no more wolves in Ireland, Jack
Russell Terriers to be ratters without equal, etc.
When instinct is permitted to go awry, through bad breeding or bad handling,
it is the fault of the human half of the covenant. It is not a matter of pit
bulls (or any other hunting or guard breed) to "overcome" the breeding of
centuries, it is a matter of non-animal-savvy people not thinking these or
any dog (or cat or horse or snake or rabbit) is a wind-up toy.
In our irresponsible society, dog bites are a symptom of human idiocy.
Pam
----------
>From: Nanci Kuykendall <aisliin@...>
>To: [email protected]
>Subject: [AlwaysLearning] Dog advice request
>Date: Sat, Aug 23, 2003, 9:13 PM
>
> OK, here is my pit bull experience. I can never be
> comfortable around pit bulls, although reason tells me
> that there must be some who overcome the breeding of
> centuries, particularly now that they are not all bred
> for pit fighting.
[email protected]
On Sat, 23 Aug 2003 21:13:45 -0700 (PDT) Nanci Kuykendall
<aisliin@...> writes:
Your dad really was a hero. And the owner of the dogs...:::shudder:::
I suppose it's easier to torture a pit into becoming a killer than, say,
a lab...
Dar
<aisliin@...> writes:
> So, I don't like pit bulls and I doubt I ever will.I read this post last night and it keeps coming back to me ....
> But that is just one experience, and obviously the
> "nurture" (torture?) factor played a role in it, as
> the owner was obviously some sadistic bastard.
Your dad really was a hero. And the owner of the dogs...:::shudder:::
I suppose it's easier to torture a pit into becoming a killer than, say,
a lab...
Dar
Pam Hartley
As easy as a German Shepherd, an Alaskan Malamute, a Rottweiler, a Mastiff,
a Great Dane, a Saint Bernard, an Airedale Terrier...
Not that Labs are slouches -- for a retrieving breed many of them are quite
protective of their families -- much more so than the average Golden
Retriever, not quite as much as the average Chesapeake Bay Retriever.
It doesn't always take torture. Inappropriate encouragement of any dog's
natural prey drive can do the deed as well.
Pam
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a Great Dane, a Saint Bernard, an Airedale Terrier...
Not that Labs are slouches -- for a retrieving breed many of them are quite
protective of their families -- much more so than the average Golden
Retriever, not quite as much as the average Chesapeake Bay Retriever.
It doesn't always take torture. Inappropriate encouragement of any dog's
natural prey drive can do the deed as well.
Pam
----------
>From: freeform@...
>To: [email protected]
>Subject: Re: [AlwaysLearning] Dog advice request
>Date: Sun, Aug 24, 2003, 11:01 AM
>
> I suppose it's easier to torture a pit into becoming a killer than, say,
> a lab...
Kris
<<Not that Labs are slouches -- for a retrieving breed many of them are
quite
protective of their families -- much more so than the average Golden
Retriever, not quite as much as the average Chesapeake Bay Retriever.
It doesn't always take torture. Inappropriate encouragement of any dog's
natural prey drive can do the deed as well.
Pam>>
I see a lot of families who have no clue how to "talk" to their dogs, let
them know where they fit in the pack. Neighbor with a lab who has been
allowed to become alpha and is now biting the kids. While a savvy friend
has a blue heeler who, while not reduced to omega, definitely knows she's
isn't the leader. A breed that isn't supposed to be good with kids but was
raised well and I trust her with mine, even though she does do her best to
keep the "herd" together and calm. *grin*
Breeds don't mean as much if you don't know how to communicate what is
"okay" behavior for them. The neighbor's lab worries me, Jonathan is so
small and I'm worried she will go off on him because she feels her place in
the pack is threatened. I think she is going to do just that to SOME kid
and be put down.
Kris
quite
protective of their families -- much more so than the average Golden
Retriever, not quite as much as the average Chesapeake Bay Retriever.
It doesn't always take torture. Inappropriate encouragement of any dog's
natural prey drive can do the deed as well.
Pam>>
I see a lot of families who have no clue how to "talk" to their dogs, let
them know where they fit in the pack. Neighbor with a lab who has been
allowed to become alpha and is now biting the kids. While a savvy friend
has a blue heeler who, while not reduced to omega, definitely knows she's
isn't the leader. A breed that isn't supposed to be good with kids but was
raised well and I trust her with mine, even though she does do her best to
keep the "herd" together and calm. *grin*
Breeds don't mean as much if you don't know how to communicate what is
"okay" behavior for them. The neighbor's lab worries me, Jonathan is so
small and I'm worried she will go off on him because she feels her place in
the pack is threatened. I think she is going to do just that to SOME kid
and be put down.
Kris