[email protected]

Y'all I got this from my accountability association's loop after I responded
to a woman who was complaining that her children were sitting like lumps and
wouldn't learn anything, no matter what she'd tried.

I'm always shocked when I hear this crap, probably because I spend so much
time with you guys!

I probably won't answer this "wise parent" <BWG> because I need NO more
stress and time away from what I *need* to do.



Kelly,
It is people like you that doesn't allow me to send my children to public
or Christian schools. If I take your relativistic approach my child
could say to me - I dont like carrots. Okay, so you don't give them
carrots. I don't like apples. Okay, you don't give them apples. I like
french fries. Ok, you can have french fries. So what happens over time.
You have a fat child with multiple problems but they did what they
enjoyed. Education is not always enjoyable and not always interesting
but it is necessary. Why is it that we think our children have to always
like what they are doing before they do it? I didn't think I would like
the game of golf until I played it. Now I love it.

Wise Parent

On Fri, 8 Aug 2003 21:33:12 EDT kbcdlovejo@... writes:
> In a message dated 8/8/2003 9:08:03 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> wgodfrey@... writes:
> > They were there physically but you can't make the horse drink...
> >
>
> I suppose in the end, if the horse is thirsty enough and the water
> potable,
> he *will* drink. This is the foundation of unschooling. Forced
> "learning" isn't
> learning at all. Maybe if they each found something to be interested
> in
> learning?
>
> ~Kelly

[email protected]

In a message dated 8/11/03 7:10:21 AM, kbcdlovejo@... writes:

<< I didn't think I would like
the game of golf until I played it. Now I love it. >>

I've never made my kids play golf.
Nobody's ever made ME play golf.

We might be missing something wonderful, but we're too busy to find out.

Sandra

[email protected]

<< Kelly,
It is people like you that doesn't allow me to send my children to public
or Christian schools. >>

Huh.

I don't get that.

Sandra

Deborah Lewis

You just doesn't get it Kelly...you just doesn't.
You're the reason little kids are fat and can't play golf.

I hope you're happy.

Deb

Pam Hartley

It comes of not living in the Real World.

<vvveg>

Pam

P.S. It always astounds me, too. You'd think we'd be used to it by now. :)

----------
>From: kbcdlovejo@...
>To: [email protected]
>Subject: [AlwaysLearning] Here's the best one yet!
>Date: Mon, Aug 11, 2003, 6:08 AM
>

> I'm always shocked when I hear this crap, probably because I spend so much
> time with you guys!

[email protected]

In a message dated 8/11/03 6:10:12 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
kbcdlovejo@... writes:

> I probably won't answer this "wise parent" <BWG> because I need NO more
> stress and time away from what I *need* to do.
>
>

Oh Kelly.

This is so typical, yet people who say these things, never cease to amaze me.
Thank you for sharing it. If you do decide to respond, will you let us know
what happens?

Rhonda


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nctreehugr

Deb,

I think you and Sandra were mistaken to admonish Kelly. She was just
relaying a letter from another parent, not her view.

Jennifer

swtmntn

Hi there:

I'm a newbie on this message board, branching out into unschooling
this year. I have been reading, reading, reading and
just "listening" but I really had to respond to this post.

The post that that "wise parent" wrote is exactly the philosophy that
kept my children AND myself miserable for years in homeschooling.
I've tried every curriculum figuring it was THE one. Well, at the
end of last "school year" we were all burnt out and miserable. Our
family felt like it was falling apart. I couldn't even read a book
to my dd because she didn't want me to. We got together as a family
and have been deschooling from homeschooling, knowing that
unschooling is the way to go. Our family is so much more happier for
it.

That post touched a nerve with me. I am in a support group here in
CT that pretty much promotes that philosophy. I'm pulling away from
it and hanging out with like-minded people. As for my close friends
that are still using the boxed curriculum, I will keep my mouth shut
and just enjoy their friendships. I thank God for these message
boards where I can learn and follow my heart. Kelly, if you do
respond I totally want to read it!

Thanks again,
Sheila

--- In [email protected], kbcdlovejo@a... wrote:
> Y'all I got this from my accountability association's loop after I
responded
> to a woman who was complaining that her children were sitting like
lumps and
> wouldn't learn anything, no matter what she'd tried.
>
> I'm always shocked when I hear this crap, probably because I spend
so much
> time with you guys!
>
> I probably won't answer this "wise parent" <BWG> because I need NO
more
> stress and time away from what I *need* to do.
>
>
>
> Kelly,
> It is people like you that doesn't allow me to send my children to
public
> or Christian schools. If I take your relativistic approach my child
> could say to me - I dont like carrots. Okay, so you don't give them
> carrots. I don't like apples. Okay, you don't give them apples.
I like
> french fries. Ok, you can have french fries. So what happens over
time.
> You have a fat child with multiple problems but they did what they
> enjoyed. Education is not always enjoyable and not always
interesting
> but it is necessary. Why is it that we think our children have to
always
> like what they are doing before they do it? I didn't think I would
like
> the game of golf until I played it. Now I love it.
>
> Wise Parent
>
> On Fri, 8 Aug 2003 21:33:12 EDT kbcdlovejo@a... writes:
> > In a message dated 8/8/2003 9:08:03 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> > wgodfrey@s... writes:
> > > They were there physically but you can't make the horse drink...
> > >
> >
> > I suppose in the end, if the horse is thirsty enough and the
water
> > potable,
> > he *will* drink. This is the foundation of unschooling. Forced
> > "learning" isn't
> > learning at all. Maybe if they each found something to be
interested
> > in
> > learning?
> >
> > ~Kelly

[email protected]

In a message dated 8/12/03 5:14:00 PM, nctreehugr@... writes:

<< I think you and Sandra were mistaken to admonish Kelly. She was just

relaying a letter from another parent, not her view. >>

We were talking about ideas, not about Kelly.

"Admonishment" rarely happens around here.

Sandra

nctreehugr

--- In [email protected], SandraDodd@a... wrote:
>
> We were talking about ideas, not about Kelly.
>
> Sandra

Hi Sandra,

Actually Deb said "it's people like Kelly..." That's what I disagreed
with. You are correct, though. Admonish was not the best word.

Blessings,

Jennifer

Deborah Lewis

***Deb said "it's people like Kelly..." ***

What I said was :
***You're the reason little kids are fat and can't play golf.***

I was joking.
The post I was childishly making fun of was the post accusing (people
like) her of being the reason schools have gone to hell in a hand basket
and delicate moms now have to school their willful little brats at home.

Deb L, who has the highest regard for Kelly even if she is mean to
babies.

[email protected]

In a message dated 8/12/03 11:30:16 PM, nctreehugr@... writes:

<< Actually Deb said "it's people like Kelly..." That's what I disagreed

with. >>

That was a joke!
That was sarcasm based on the original writer (quoted from another list
telling Kelly it was people like her who...)

Sandra

leschke2001

--- In [email protected], "nctreehugr" <nctreehugr@y...>
wrote:
> --- In [email protected], SandraDodd@a... wrote:
> >
> > We were talking about ideas, not about Kelly.
> >
> > Sandra
>
> Hi Sandra,
>
> Actually Deb said "it's people like Kelly..." That's what I
disagreed
> with. You are correct, though. Admonish was not the best word.

Anyway, Deb was clearly joking.
Tia

[email protected]

In a message dated 8/13/03 12:11:09 PM, leschke@... writes:

<< > Actually Deb said "it's people like Kelly..." That's what I

disagreed

> with. >>

And IN talking about ideas, we were joking about the idea that one person
will blame another for her own educational choices, or her own educational
options with ANY phrase beginning "it's people like you." Someone had done that,
and it is NOT "people like Kelly" who limit others' options.

It's people like Kelly who provide opportunities like conferences, and
websites, and organizations for people to join to get more information.

Sandra

joanna514

--- In [email protected], Deborah Lewis <ddzimlew@j...>
wrote:
> You just doesn't get it Kelly...you just doesn't.
> You're the reason little kids are fat and can't play golf.
>
> I hope you're happy.
>
> Deb

I doesn't think I have laughed that hard at a post in a long time!
I doesn't usually read here lately. I done been reading at
Unschooling.com message boards.
I done forgot how amusing this here one can be.
Joanna

joanna514

--- In [email protected], SandraDodd@a... wrote:
>
> In a message dated 8/13/03 12:11:09 PM, leschke@s... writes:
>
> << > Actually Deb said "it's people like Kelly..." That's what I
>
> disagreed
>
> > with. >>
>
> And IN talking about ideas, we were joking about the idea that one
person
> will blame another for her own educational choices, or her own
educational
> options with ANY phrase beginning "it's people like you." ....>
> Sandra


Here's the question. Is this sentence grammatically correct?

**Kelly,
It is people like you that doesn't allow me to send my children to
public
or Christian schools.**

It didn't sound right to me. And I think that was the original
intent of the joke. (Plus the stupid crap about blaming Kelly for
not having educational choices because of people like hers "liberal"
views).
But now I'm really wondering. Is that sentence correct? Should she
have used "don't" instead of "doesn't"?

Joanna

[email protected]

In a message dated 8/13/2003 10:07:17 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
Wilkinson6@... writes:
> **Kelly,
> It is people like you that doesn't allow me to send my children to
> public
> or Christian schools.**
>
> It didn't sound right to me. And I think that was the original
> intent of the joke. (Plus the stupid crap about blaming Kelly for
> not having educational choices because of people like hers "liberal"
> views).
> But now I'm really wondering. Is that sentence correct? Should she
> have used "don't" instead of "doesn't"?

Maybe it's considered correct in the fundie homes of South Carolina! <BWG>

Yes, the "Wise Parent" *should* have used "don't".

~Kelly, resident grammar nazi


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Nanci Kuykendall

>You just doesn't get it Kelly...you just doesn't.
>You're the reason little kids are fat and can't play
>golf.
>I hope you're happy.
>Deb

LMAO!
Oh man, I needed that laugh. I've had a really
stressful month.

Nanci K.