Purposes of lists
gruvystarchild
I was at another list today, hearing a complaint about THIS group
(Gosh I'm sick of all the whining lately) and I just had to say
something HERE, as to not disrupt another list with my frustration.
This list is for die hard unschoolers. It's not a newbie list for
figuring it all out...although I've seen newbie questions handled
quite patiently several times if they are not overly annoying.
I read the introduction again and thought it was pretty clear:
"It's an idea group and is intended to lean more toward pure
unschooling than neutral, general homeschooling discussion--there are
hundreds of general homeschooling discussions for newcomers."
Maybe you need even MORE of a description Sandra? I hate to think
people can't figure it out on their own, but I'm just getting fed up
with people whining about lists that don't fit their needs rather
than just finding lists that do.
I'm so glad to have this little spot of the internet where
everyone "gets" unschooling in it's purest form. I guess I'm feeling
it needs to be very protected! :)
Ren
(Gosh I'm sick of all the whining lately) and I just had to say
something HERE, as to not disrupt another list with my frustration.
This list is for die hard unschoolers. It's not a newbie list for
figuring it all out...although I've seen newbie questions handled
quite patiently several times if they are not overly annoying.
I read the introduction again and thought it was pretty clear:
"It's an idea group and is intended to lean more toward pure
unschooling than neutral, general homeschooling discussion--there are
hundreds of general homeschooling discussions for newcomers."
Maybe you need even MORE of a description Sandra? I hate to think
people can't figure it out on their own, but I'm just getting fed up
with people whining about lists that don't fit their needs rather
than just finding lists that do.
I'm so glad to have this little spot of the internet where
everyone "gets" unschooling in it's purest form. I guess I'm feeling
it needs to be very protected! :)
Ren
Deborah Lewis
A complaint about this group?
Man.
These people are unschooling real kids and still have enough time to
complain about THIS group? Sheesh.
I didn't complain about anything today until just now. <g>
We found a moth we've never seen before and we're trying to identify her.
We pulled up big radishes today and picked the first peas from our
little garden. I have too many zucchini and will have to sneak around
the neighborhood tonight in my jammies leaving unwanted squashes on the
neighbor's door steps. We practiced a Christmas duet on the piano. (We
should have started in January.<G>) We found some inner tubes to take
to the lake on Tuesday. We saw ten Killdeer at the river and four
Spotted Sandpipers.
A Hummingbird landed on Dylan's arm. We're starting the new Harry Potter
book tonight. It was 93 degrees here today and it's supposed to be
hotter tomorrow. (should make that zucchini grow!) AND I like this
list. <g>
Sorry you had a bummer moment Ren.
Deb L, no complaints.
Man.
These people are unschooling real kids and still have enough time to
complain about THIS group? Sheesh.
I didn't complain about anything today until just now. <g>
We found a moth we've never seen before and we're trying to identify her.
We pulled up big radishes today and picked the first peas from our
little garden. I have too many zucchini and will have to sneak around
the neighborhood tonight in my jammies leaving unwanted squashes on the
neighbor's door steps. We practiced a Christmas duet on the piano. (We
should have started in January.<G>) We found some inner tubes to take
to the lake on Tuesday. We saw ten Killdeer at the river and four
Spotted Sandpipers.
A Hummingbird landed on Dylan's arm. We're starting the new Harry Potter
book tonight. It was 93 degrees here today and it's supposed to be
hotter tomorrow. (should make that zucchini grow!) AND I like this
list. <g>
Sorry you had a bummer moment Ren.
Deb L, no complaints.
Betsy
**I have too many zucchini and will have to sneak around
the neighborhood tonight in my jammies leaving unwanted squashes on the
neighbor's door steps.**
Hi, Deb --
My peas were done 10 weeks ago and I don't have any squash yet, although
I have blossoms. I have to mock whine that I don't think you are
keeping your veggies ON Grade Level!!!!<g> They sure aren't growing in
lock-step with mine. I guess my peas were in the accelerated program
and my squash is on some kind of remedial track. I won't tell them how
your veggies are doing, because I wouldn't want to damage their plant
esteem.
Is there such a thing as "ungardening"? Or only "unwatering" and
"unweeding"?
Betsy
the neighborhood tonight in my jammies leaving unwanted squashes on the
neighbor's door steps.**
Hi, Deb --
My peas were done 10 weeks ago and I don't have any squash yet, although
I have blossoms. I have to mock whine that I don't think you are
keeping your veggies ON Grade Level!!!!<g> They sure aren't growing in
lock-step with mine. I guess my peas were in the accelerated program
and my squash is on some kind of remedial track. I won't tell them how
your veggies are doing, because I wouldn't want to damage their plant
esteem.
Is there such a thing as "ungardening"? Or only "unwatering" and
"unweeding"?
Betsy
Joylyn
And I sadly just put in my garden this last week. My life has been such
that I coudn't do it before. I'm so glad to see a nice garden starting,
it makes my life feel more complete, more organized.
My squash plants came up, in like three days after planting. Great big
healthy plants. I planted the squash a sidewalk away from my other
garden so maybe they won't take over the entire space and kill out my
watermelon and cucumber.
Joylyn
Betsy wrote:
that I coudn't do it before. I'm so glad to see a nice garden starting,
it makes my life feel more complete, more organized.
My squash plants came up, in like three days after planting. Great big
healthy plants. I planted the squash a sidewalk away from my other
garden so maybe they won't take over the entire space and kill out my
watermelon and cucumber.
Joylyn
Betsy wrote:
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>
> **I have too many zucchini and will have to sneak around
> the neighborhood tonight in my jammies leaving unwanted squashes on the
> neighbor's door steps.**
>
> Hi, Deb --
>
> My peas were done 10 weeks ago and I don't have any squash yet, although
> I have blossoms. I have to mock whine that I don't think you are
> keeping your veggies ON Grade Level!!!!<g> They sure aren't growing in
> lock-step with mine. I guess my peas were in the accelerated program
> and my squash is on some kind of remedial track. I won't tell them how
> your veggies are doing, because I wouldn't want to damage their plant
> esteem.
>
> Is there such a thing as "ungardening"? Or only "unwatering" and
> "unweeding"?
>
> Betsy
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We planted our garden this lst week, too. Lettuce, carrots, and zinnais,
allwere supposed to have been planted in the spring, all the seed packets
were a year past their "Plant by" date, and some were supposed to be
started inside as seedlings. I'm trusting in garden karma - they did
start coming up already, too. We didn't do pumpkins this year, because
last year that took over the garden and front yard - good luck with your
squash!
Dar
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allwere supposed to have been planted in the spring, all the seed packets
were a year past their "Plant by" date, and some were supposed to be
started inside as seedlings. I'm trusting in garden karma - they did
start coming up already, too. We didn't do pumpkins this year, because
last year that took over the garden and front yard - good luck with your
squash!
Dar
On Wed, 30 Jul 2003 22:05:06 -0700 Joylyn <joylyn@...> writes:
> And I sadly just put in my garden this last week. My life has been<http://rd.yahoo.com/M=256694.3651271.4917408.1261774/D=egroupweb/S=17055
> such
> that I coudn't do it before. I'm so glad to see a nice garden
> starting,
> it makes my life feel more complete, more organized.
>
> My squash plants came up, in like three days after planting. Great
> big
> healthy plants. I planted the squash a sidewalk away from my other
> garden so maybe they won't take over the entire space and kill out
> my
> watermelon and cucumber.
>
> Joylyn
>
> Betsy wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > **I have too many zucchini and will have to sneak around
> > the neighborhood tonight in my jammies leaving unwanted squashes
> on the
> > neighbor's door steps.**
> >
> > Hi, Deb --
> >
> > My peas were done 10 weeks ago and I don't have any squash yet,
> although
> > I have blossoms. I have to mock whine that I don't think you are
> > keeping your veggies ON Grade Level!!!!<g> They sure aren't
> growing in
> > lock-step with mine. I guess my peas were in the accelerated
> program
> > and my squash is on some kind of remedial track. I won't tell
> them how
> > your veggies are doing, because I wouldn't want to damage their
> plant
> > esteem.
> >
> > Is there such a thing as "ungardening"? Or only "unwatering" and
> > "unweeding"?
> >
> > Betsy
> >
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Joylyn
ooh ooh, someonew as talking about taking squash to neighbors... I saw
in Reader's Digest tonight that August 8th is--let me quote--Sneak Some
Zucchini Onto Your Neighbor's Porch Night.
I sure hopes someone leaves it on my porch. I LOVE fresh squash. It
was horrid having to buy it a few weeks ago. Can't wait for mine to be
ready.
I'm hoping the garden karma will come visit us too. We do have some
tomatos coming up and I planted the tomato plants I bought. Janene
really wanted to grow blueberries and GRAPE tomatoes. She is a tomato
kid, when she was three I had to convince her to not eat the tomatoes
off the vine--I really mean off the vine, she wouldn't pick it, she'd
just bend down and take a bite and then bite the next one. Please
Janene, wash it first? We planted, let's see, Lettuce, carrots,
Zucchini, another type of squash (banana?), tomatoes, tomatoes, tomatoes
(I LOVE tomatoes too, so a good 1/3 of our garden, which is total 15 x 5
feet and about 8 containers are tomatoes) cucumbers (another favorite),
artichoke (one container), bell peper, lavender, basal, chocolate mint,
another herb that's supposed to help with migraine headaches if made
into a tea) and sunflowers, giant ones, all the way around the edge of
the garden. I think when we get back at the beginning of Sept there
might be food to eat. Also, I did finally find a grape tomato plant for
Janene, and we'll get another container tomorrow to put that in. Daron,
you've seen our small back yard, so you can imagine how much space is
devoted to plants. I also plan on taking a few of the tomatoes and
maybe the artichoke and bell pepper plants into my classroom, in Sept.
I think growing things is good for kids to see, especially these kids.
On a tangent, I subbed in a 3rd grade class today--it was so much fun.
I really liked the kids and had a great time. I was asked to return
for four days next week, so that is good as I am unpaid this month and
am planning that extensive vacation. It really did help me to see the
difference between Lexie and these other 3rd graders (who will be in 4th
grade in Sept so a year older than Lexie.) But they were a lot of fun
and so sweet and cute. :-)
I borrowed something like 36 books on tape from my school, for us to
listen to on our trip. I can't wait!
Ok that's enough, Ineed to go to sleep.
Joylyn
freeform@... wrote:
in Reader's Digest tonight that August 8th is--let me quote--Sneak Some
Zucchini Onto Your Neighbor's Porch Night.
I sure hopes someone leaves it on my porch. I LOVE fresh squash. It
was horrid having to buy it a few weeks ago. Can't wait for mine to be
ready.
I'm hoping the garden karma will come visit us too. We do have some
tomatos coming up and I planted the tomato plants I bought. Janene
really wanted to grow blueberries and GRAPE tomatoes. She is a tomato
kid, when she was three I had to convince her to not eat the tomatoes
off the vine--I really mean off the vine, she wouldn't pick it, she'd
just bend down and take a bite and then bite the next one. Please
Janene, wash it first? We planted, let's see, Lettuce, carrots,
Zucchini, another type of squash (banana?), tomatoes, tomatoes, tomatoes
(I LOVE tomatoes too, so a good 1/3 of our garden, which is total 15 x 5
feet and about 8 containers are tomatoes) cucumbers (another favorite),
artichoke (one container), bell peper, lavender, basal, chocolate mint,
another herb that's supposed to help with migraine headaches if made
into a tea) and sunflowers, giant ones, all the way around the edge of
the garden. I think when we get back at the beginning of Sept there
might be food to eat. Also, I did finally find a grape tomato plant for
Janene, and we'll get another container tomorrow to put that in. Daron,
you've seen our small back yard, so you can imagine how much space is
devoted to plants. I also plan on taking a few of the tomatoes and
maybe the artichoke and bell pepper plants into my classroom, in Sept.
I think growing things is good for kids to see, especially these kids.
On a tangent, I subbed in a 3rd grade class today--it was so much fun.
I really liked the kids and had a great time. I was asked to return
for four days next week, so that is good as I am unpaid this month and
am planning that extensive vacation. It really did help me to see the
difference between Lexie and these other 3rd graders (who will be in 4th
grade in Sept so a year older than Lexie.) But they were a lot of fun
and so sweet and cute. :-)
I borrowed something like 36 books on tape from my school, for us to
listen to on our trip. I can't wait!
Ok that's enough, Ineed to go to sleep.
Joylyn
freeform@... wrote:
> We planted our garden this lst week, too. Lettuce, carrots, and zinnais,[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> allwere supposed to have been planted in the spring, all the seed packets
> were a year past their "Plant by" date, and some were supposed to be
> started inside as seedlings. I'm trusting in garden karma - they did
> start coming up already, too. We didn't do pumpkins this year, because
> last year that took over the garden and front yard - good luck with your
> squash!
>
> Dar
> On Wed, 30 Jul 2003 22:05:06 -0700 Joylyn <joylyn@...> writes:
> > And I sadly just put in my garden this last week. My life has been
> > such
> > that I coudn't do it before. I'm so glad to see a nice garden
> > starting,
> > it makes my life feel more complete, more organized.
> >
> > My squash plants came up, in like three days after planting. Great
> > big
> > healthy plants. I planted the squash a sidewalk away from my other
> > garden so maybe they won't take over the entire space and kill out
> > my
> > watermelon and cucumber.
> >
> > Joylyn
> >
> > Betsy wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > **I have too many zucchini and will have to sneak around
> > > the neighborhood tonight in my jammies leaving unwanted squashes
> > on the
> > > neighbor's door steps.**
> > >
> > > Hi, Deb --
> > >
> > > My peas were done 10 weeks ago and I don't have any squash yet,
> > although
> > > I have blossoms. I have to mock whine that I don't think you are
> > > keeping your veggies ON Grade Level!!!!<g> They sure aren't
> > growing in
> > > lock-step with mine. I guess my peas were in the accelerated
> > program
> > > and my squash is on some kind of remedial track. I won't tell
> > them how
> > > your veggies are doing, because I wouldn't want to damage their
> > plant
> > > esteem.
> > >
> > > Is there such a thing as "ungardening"? Or only "unwatering" and
> > > "unweeding"?
> > >
> > > Betsy
> > >
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Barb Eaton
Deb,
Thanks for the lift this morning. ;-) We were counting monarch
butterflies yesterday on our butterfly bush. Only one moth ;-) I'm hoping to
see more hummingbirds too. They like that bush. That was really cool that
that hummingbird landed on Dylans' arm. Wow what a thrill. Up close and
personal!
I'm sure by Christmas you'll have it down. What song?
No complaints here either.
Barb E
"Ninety-nine percent of the failures come from people who
have the habit of making excuses."
- George Washington Carver, Chemist and Educator
on 7/30/03 11:03 PM, Deborah Lewis at ddzimlew@... wrote:
Thanks for the lift this morning. ;-) We were counting monarch
butterflies yesterday on our butterfly bush. Only one moth ;-) I'm hoping to
see more hummingbirds too. They like that bush. That was really cool that
that hummingbird landed on Dylans' arm. Wow what a thrill. Up close and
personal!
I'm sure by Christmas you'll have it down. What song?
No complaints here either.
Barb E
"Ninety-nine percent of the failures come from people who
have the habit of making excuses."
- George Washington Carver, Chemist and Educator
on 7/30/03 11:03 PM, Deborah Lewis at ddzimlew@... wrote:
> I have too many zucchini and will have to sneak around
> the neighborhood tonight in my jammies leaving unwanted squashes on the
> neighbor's door steps. We practiced a Christmas duet on the piano. (We
> should have started in January.<G>)
>
> Deb L, no complaints.
Barb Eaton
Betsy,
Waht a Hoot! Now what about my tomatoes. I really didn't know I was
getting cherry tomatoes but here they are. I wanted to make salsa too. Can't
exactly doi that since these *ltttle* buggers are eaten as fast as they
grow. I guess having them right out the back door in planters did help with
that. LOL!
Barb E
"Happiness is a butterfly, which, when pursued, is always
just beyond your grasp, but which, if you will sit down
quietly, may alight upon you."
- Nathaniel Hawthorne, Author
on 7/31/03 12:37 AM, Betsy at ecsamhill@... wrote:
Waht a Hoot! Now what about my tomatoes. I really didn't know I was
getting cherry tomatoes but here they are. I wanted to make salsa too. Can't
exactly doi that since these *ltttle* buggers are eaten as fast as they
grow. I guess having them right out the back door in planters did help with
that. LOL!
Barb E
"Happiness is a butterfly, which, when pursued, is always
just beyond your grasp, but which, if you will sit down
quietly, may alight upon you."
- Nathaniel Hawthorne, Author
on 7/31/03 12:37 AM, Betsy at ecsamhill@... wrote:
> Hi, Deb --
>
> My peas were done 10 weeks ago and I don't have any squash yet, although
> I have blossoms. I have to mock whine that I don't think you are
> keeping your veggies ON Grade Level!!!!<g> They sure aren't growing in
> lock-step with mine. I guess my peas were in the accelerated program
> and my squash is on some kind of remedial track. I won't tell them how
> your veggies are doing, because I wouldn't want to damage their plant
> esteem.
>
> Is there such a thing as "ungardening"? Or only "unwatering" and
> "unweeding"?
>
> Betsy
Deborah Lewis
***That was really cool that
that hummingbird landed on Dylans' arm. ***
He'd just been talking to his Great Aunt who told him one once landed on
her belt buckle.
We were sitting outside by the hollyhocks and a little Rufus female
buzzed over and landed right on him. Neither one of us could breathe, we
were so surprised, and then she was gone.
***What song?***
We Three Kings, and it would be easier if I could really play. I'm a
plunker. It's a good thing he's patient. <g>
Deb L
that hummingbird landed on Dylans' arm. ***
He'd just been talking to his Great Aunt who told him one once landed on
her belt buckle.
We were sitting outside by the hollyhocks and a little Rufus female
buzzed over and landed right on him. Neither one of us could breathe, we
were so surprised, and then she was gone.
***What song?***
We Three Kings, and it would be easier if I could really play. I'm a
plunker. It's a good thing he's patient. <g>
Deb L
Deborah Lewis
***... I saw
in Reader's Digest tonight that August 8th is--let me quote--Sneak Some
Zucchini Onto Your Neighbor's Porch Night.***
The guy who wrote that probably lives in my neighborhood!
I can't wait till August 8th, though.
***a good 1/3 of our garden, which is total 15 x 5
feet and about 8 containers are tomatoes)***
I have a tiny little garden, about 8x24 with some additional containers.
I have a little herb garden and a strawberry patch. The birds seem to
be getting more strawberries this year than we are.<g>
Deb L
in Reader's Digest tonight that August 8th is--let me quote--Sneak Some
Zucchini Onto Your Neighbor's Porch Night.***
The guy who wrote that probably lives in my neighborhood!
I can't wait till August 8th, though.
***a good 1/3 of our garden, which is total 15 x 5
feet and about 8 containers are tomatoes)***
I have a tiny little garden, about 8x24 with some additional containers.
I have a little herb garden and a strawberry patch. The birds seem to
be getting more strawberries this year than we are.<g>
Deb L
Deborah Lewis
***They sure aren't growing in
lock-step with mine. I guess my peas were in the accelerated program
and my squash is on some kind of remedial track.***
We have to start things like squash, cucumbers and tomato inside in
February or so if we hope to get anything. (Head Start) Pumpkins are
always iffy here because our season is so short.
We plant in June, can expect one hard frost every month and the first
freeze by Labor day weekend.
I feel lucky to get anything at all.
It's a great climate for cruciferous vegetables though, (Catholic school)
with hot days and cool nights.
***Is there such a thing as "ungardening"? Or only "unwatering" and
"unweeding"? ***
I like the sound of unweeding. I got a sunburn yesterday pulling
volunteer sunflowers out of the pumpkins.
Deb L
lock-step with mine. I guess my peas were in the accelerated program
and my squash is on some kind of remedial track.***
We have to start things like squash, cucumbers and tomato inside in
February or so if we hope to get anything. (Head Start) Pumpkins are
always iffy here because our season is so short.
We plant in June, can expect one hard frost every month and the first
freeze by Labor day weekend.
I feel lucky to get anything at all.
It's a great climate for cruciferous vegetables though, (Catholic school)
with hot days and cool nights.
***Is there such a thing as "ungardening"? Or only "unwatering" and
"unweeding"? ***
I like the sound of unweeding. I got a sunburn yesterday pulling
volunteer sunflowers out of the pumpkins.
Deb L
Betsy
**Can't exactly do that since these *ltttle* buggers are eaten as fast
as they grow.**
Weeeeellll, an "unschooling" answer <g> would be to distract your
children with trips to a theme park or friend's houses or camping or
something they really want to do away from home so that you can get them
gone long enough that a few tomatoes survive!
Or, you can send up a little prayer to the universe that the plants
start to bear more heavily later in the season. Could happen.
Or, if you are a straight-forward person and not twistedly devious like
me, you could say "Kids, I'd like to make salsa. To make a small batch
I need 30(?) tomatoes. Would you help me collect them?"
Betsy
as they grow.**
Weeeeellll, an "unschooling" answer <g> would be to distract your
children with trips to a theme park or friend's houses or camping or
something they really want to do away from home so that you can get them
gone long enough that a few tomatoes survive!
Or, you can send up a little prayer to the universe that the plants
start to bear more heavily later in the season. Could happen.
Or, if you are a straight-forward person and not twistedly devious like
me, you could say "Kids, I'd like to make salsa. To make a small batch
I need 30(?) tomatoes. Would you help me collect them?"
Betsy
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In a message dated 7/30/03 10:32:56 PM, ecsamhill@... writes:
<< Is there such a thing as "ungardening"? Or only "unwatering" and
"unweeding"? >>
Natural gardening. <g>
In most of the southwest, that means your yard will become its natural desert.
Sandra
<< Is there such a thing as "ungardening"? Or only "unwatering" and
"unweeding"? >>
Natural gardening. <g>
In most of the southwest, that means your yard will become its natural desert.
Sandra
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In a message dated 7/30/2003 11:32:48 PM Central Daylight Time,
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and then promptly forget about the plants until they start producing (or die!)
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ecsamhill@... writes:
>That must be what I do....ungarden! I get all excited, plant lots of stuff
> Is there such a thing as "ungardening"? Or only "unwatering" and
> "unweeding"?
>
and then promptly forget about the plants until they start producing (or die!)
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Betsy
**I also plan on taking a few of the tomatoes and
maybe the artichoke and bell pepper plants into my classroom, in Sept.
I think growing things is good for kids to see, especially these kids.**
That sounds cool. Either Sid or Paul Fleischman wrote a nice, short
"chapter book" about community gardening in an urban setting. It's
called Seedfolks. I think it's about on a Jr. High School reading
level. The book is earnestly multi-cultural, but it does use an
unpleasant stereotype for the Mexican-American characters. (pregnant
girls). I think it's on the CA state recommended Lit. list.
Betsy
maybe the artichoke and bell pepper plants into my classroom, in Sept.
I think growing things is good for kids to see, especially these kids.**
That sounds cool. Either Sid or Paul Fleischman wrote a nice, short
"chapter book" about community gardening in an urban setting. It's
called Seedfolks. I think it's about on a Jr. High School reading
level. The book is earnestly multi-cultural, but it does use an
unpleasant stereotype for the Mexican-American characters. (pregnant
girls). I think it's on the CA state recommended Lit. list.
Betsy
[email protected]
In a message dated 7/30/03 11:22:06 PM, freeform@... writes:
<< all the seed packets
were a year past their "Plant by" date >>
That's a kind of "lather/rinse/repeat" deal, those seed expiration dates.
Their claim is it guarantees some percentage of germination, but people have in
the past few years been getting really excited about old jars of seed found in
barns and cellars, and doing heirloom plants.
I didn't save the link, but there was archeological work done at some abbey
from the 15th century (I think, 1400s was the last time the garden had been
active/full) and some old old plants sprouted just from them having disturbed the
earth. Two kinds of plants that hadn't been growing there in hundreds of
years. One was for a dye. The other, I don't remember, but they were common
medieval plants. I doubt they're totally died out elsewhere or it would've made
bigger news.
At my old house we had some hollyhocks come up where we'd been mowing and so
never noticed they were there. One year we didn't mow that corner, and some
of the plants came up really big and strong, so the roots were there even
though each year it had lost its bid to flower and seed.
Unfortunately, most of the botany I learned came from seed packages, and they
WANT you to throw the old ones out and buy new ones. The next most botany I
learned was in a geology class where they talked about primary growth in the
desert (and secondary and tertiary), so you can judge how long it's been since
surfaces were disturbed, or how long they've been undisturbed, by the type of
plants growing there.
Tumbleweeds can only grow in newly disturbed sandy dirt. ("Newly" in the
desert can be a few years, but it can be disturbed by road graders, mowing,
plowing, water erosion, or by walking and vehicles.) So they grow along arroyos,
fence lines, under power lines when people have dug or driving the dirt really
loose, etc.
Sandra
<< all the seed packets
were a year past their "Plant by" date >>
That's a kind of "lather/rinse/repeat" deal, those seed expiration dates.
Their claim is it guarantees some percentage of germination, but people have in
the past few years been getting really excited about old jars of seed found in
barns and cellars, and doing heirloom plants.
I didn't save the link, but there was archeological work done at some abbey
from the 15th century (I think, 1400s was the last time the garden had been
active/full) and some old old plants sprouted just from them having disturbed the
earth. Two kinds of plants that hadn't been growing there in hundreds of
years. One was for a dye. The other, I don't remember, but they were common
medieval plants. I doubt they're totally died out elsewhere or it would've made
bigger news.
At my old house we had some hollyhocks come up where we'd been mowing and so
never noticed they were there. One year we didn't mow that corner, and some
of the plants came up really big and strong, so the roots were there even
though each year it had lost its bid to flower and seed.
Unfortunately, most of the botany I learned came from seed packages, and they
WANT you to throw the old ones out and buy new ones. The next most botany I
learned was in a geology class where they talked about primary growth in the
desert (and secondary and tertiary), so you can judge how long it's been since
surfaces were disturbed, or how long they've been undisturbed, by the type of
plants growing there.
Tumbleweeds can only grow in newly disturbed sandy dirt. ("Newly" in the
desert can be a few years, but it can be disturbed by road graders, mowing,
plowing, water erosion, or by walking and vehicles.) So they grow along arroyos,
fence lines, under power lines when people have dug or driving the dirt really
loose, etc.
Sandra
[email protected]
In a message dated 7/31/03 12:43:22 AM, joylyn@... writes:
<< On a tangent, I subbed in a 3rd grade class today--it was so much fun.
I really liked the kids and had a great time. >>
It's JULY (still, barely). Is it a staggered-schedule year-round school or
what?
Holly says school starts here in two weeks. It will change the flow of her
summer some. The free lunch in the park program ends this week. She has a new
homeschooling family to hang around with. They're just about a block away
(closer than the park) and they have a new baby boy, born July 19 or so.
Holly's thrilled to get to see a baby regularly from the beginning.
Sandra
Sandra
<< On a tangent, I subbed in a 3rd grade class today--it was so much fun.
I really liked the kids and had a great time. >>
It's JULY (still, barely). Is it a staggered-schedule year-round school or
what?
Holly says school starts here in two weeks. It will change the flow of her
summer some. The free lunch in the park program ends this week. She has a new
homeschooling family to hang around with. They're just about a block away
(closer than the park) and they have a new baby boy, born July 19 or so.
Holly's thrilled to get to see a baby regularly from the beginning.
Sandra
Sandra
Barb Eaton
At least you pluck. LOL! Dh got me a keyboard last Christmas andI still
haven't done anything with it. I need another wall outlet for it. The TV,
satellite, and all that are taking up all of the outllet right behind it.
Wish I had room somewhere else for it but I don't.So pluck away Deb. :-)
Barb E
"It is change, continuing change, inevitable change, that
is the dominant factor in society today. No sensible
decision can be made any longer without taking into
account not only the world as it is, but the world as it
will be."
- Isaac Asimov, Science Fiction Writer
on 7/31/03 8:50 AM, Deborah Lewis at ddzimlew@... wrote:
haven't done anything with it. I need another wall outlet for it. The TV,
satellite, and all that are taking up all of the outllet right behind it.
Wish I had room somewhere else for it but I don't.So pluck away Deb. :-)
Barb E
"It is change, continuing change, inevitable change, that
is the dominant factor in society today. No sensible
decision can be made any longer without taking into
account not only the world as it is, but the world as it
will be."
- Isaac Asimov, Science Fiction Writer
on 7/31/03 8:50 AM, Deborah Lewis at ddzimlew@... wrote:
> ***What song?***
>
> We Three Kings, and it would be easier if I could really play. I'm a
> plunker. It's a good thing he's patient. <g>
>
> Deb L
Barb Eaton
Betsy,
I'd have to be talking to myself. LOL! I'm the biggest culprit. ;-)
Barb E
"Just as our eyes need light in order to see, our minds
need ideas in order to conceive. "
- Napoleon Hill, Author
on 7/31/03 10:45 AM, Betsy at ecsamhill@... wrote:
I'd have to be talking to myself. LOL! I'm the biggest culprit. ;-)
Barb E
"Just as our eyes need light in order to see, our minds
need ideas in order to conceive. "
- Napoleon Hill, Author
on 7/31/03 10:45 AM, Betsy at ecsamhill@... wrote:
>
> Or, if you are a straight-forward person and not twistedly devious like
> me, you could say "Kids, I'd like to make salsa. To make a small batch
> I need 30(?) tomatoes. Would you help me collect them?"
>
>
> Betsy
[email protected]
When we first moved from Arizona to the California bay area, our new landlord's mother gave us a couple of cherry tomato plants. We stuck them in the ground in a corner or the yard, watered them once or twice, and then forgot all about them. A month or so later I happened to see something red over there and found them covered in little tomatoes. I was completely amazed...
Dar
--- SandraDodd@... wrote:
In a message dated 7/30/03 10:32:56 PM, ecsamhill@... writes:
<< Is there such a thing as "ungardening"? Or only "unwatering" and
"unweeding"? >>
Natural gardening. <g>
In most of the southwest, that means your yard will become its natural desert.
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--- SandraDodd@... wrote:
In a message dated 7/30/03 10:32:56 PM, ecsamhill@... writes:
<< Is there such a thing as "ungardening"? Or only "unwatering" and
"unweeding"? >>
Natural gardening. <g>
In most of the southwest, that means your yard will become its natural desert.
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In a message dated 7/31/03 11:21:54 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
freeform@... writes:
that no matter what I plant, or how much I "try" to help it grow, it inevitably
croaks :-(. Maybe I should try cherry tomatoes, cuz I love 'em and maybe they
will feel sorry enough for me, that they will actually take root. Perhaps in my
next life I can be a great gardener, cuz I must have missed that talent while
waiting in line to get there this time.LOL
Rhonda - whose on a new quest to go raw and wishes she could grow anything!
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freeform@... writes:
> When we first moved from Arizona to the California bay area, our newThis may be the plant for me. I have a serious black thumb! It saddens me
> landlord's mother gave us a couple of cherry tomato plants. We stuck them in the
> ground in a corner or the yard, watered them once or twice, and then forgot all
> about them. A month or so later I happened to see something red over there
> and found them covered in little tomatoes. I was completely amazed...
>
> Dar
>
>
that no matter what I plant, or how much I "try" to help it grow, it inevitably
croaks :-(. Maybe I should try cherry tomatoes, cuz I love 'em and maybe they
will feel sorry enough for me, that they will actually take root. Perhaps in my
next life I can be a great gardener, cuz I must have missed that talent while
waiting in line to get there this time.LOL
Rhonda - whose on a new quest to go raw and wishes she could grow anything!
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princessdee20012001
I personaly thank the members of this list when I knew what I
wanted and didnt know what it was called. The members for the most
part help direct me in how to excape the system . to the best that I
could. Having a child with reactive attachment disorder would on
the surface seem a counterdiction to unschooling but it isnt at all.
The attachment seems to double every week or so. The main things I
wanted my child to know is love and self worth . That she is
getting. There is things she wants to learn and do and I let her
learn and do as she pleases for the most part in fact the problem
now is she is busier and we need to get both computers hooked to
the net.
This group in my opion saved my child and our family. If more than
one person had told me this may not be the place for you I would
hate to imagine where we would be now. Most where patient and still
sre with my questions and storys. for that I am greatful.
It is a on going adventure for me and my daughter.The hardest part
is all those do gooders in the world trying to convince her she is
missing something good in school. and she afmits she will miss lunch
with her freinds but not much else.
we are planing on selling the house and buying a lil trailer close
by then buying a camper and seeing the usa . this is a long term
goal and Lisa wants to do reserch on where we going so we dont say
hit alaska the wrong time of the year this was her idea and a
brillent one at that.
With out this list I think our life would had went in diffrent
direction, what a sad sad thought.
and like Lisa said gee mom I would never had time to make the qulit
i am finishing if I still had to figure out how to fit in with
people who hated me.I could go on and on but will stop for now.
Dee
one person who was and is so greatful you all where patient with me
and all my anoying questions
--- In [email protected], "gruvystarchild"
<starsuncloud@n...> wrote:
wanted and didnt know what it was called. The members for the most
part help direct me in how to excape the system . to the best that I
could. Having a child with reactive attachment disorder would on
the surface seem a counterdiction to unschooling but it isnt at all.
The attachment seems to double every week or so. The main things I
wanted my child to know is love and self worth . That she is
getting. There is things she wants to learn and do and I let her
learn and do as she pleases for the most part in fact the problem
now is she is busier and we need to get both computers hooked to
the net.
This group in my opion saved my child and our family. If more than
one person had told me this may not be the place for you I would
hate to imagine where we would be now. Most where patient and still
sre with my questions and storys. for that I am greatful.
It is a on going adventure for me and my daughter.The hardest part
is all those do gooders in the world trying to convince her she is
missing something good in school. and she afmits she will miss lunch
with her freinds but not much else.
we are planing on selling the house and buying a lil trailer close
by then buying a camper and seeing the usa . this is a long term
goal and Lisa wants to do reserch on where we going so we dont say
hit alaska the wrong time of the year this was her idea and a
brillent one at that.
With out this list I think our life would had went in diffrent
direction, what a sad sad thought.
and like Lisa said gee mom I would never had time to make the qulit
i am finishing if I still had to figure out how to fit in with
people who hated me.I could go on and on but will stop for now.
Dee
one person who was and is so greatful you all where patient with me
and all my anoying questions
--- In [email protected], "gruvystarchild"
<starsuncloud@n...> wrote:
> I was at another list today, hearing a complaint about THIS groupare
> (Gosh I'm sick of all the whining lately) and I just had to say
> something HERE, as to not disrupt another list with my frustration.
>
> This list is for die hard unschoolers. It's not a newbie list for
> figuring it all out...although I've seen newbie questions handled
> quite patiently several times if they are not overly annoying.
> I read the introduction again and thought it was pretty clear:
>
> "It's an idea group and is intended to lean more toward pure
> unschooling than neutral, general homeschooling discussion--there
> hundreds of general homeschooling discussions for newcomers."up
>
> Maybe you need even MORE of a description Sandra? I hate to think
> people can't figure it out on their own, but I'm just getting fed
> with people whining about lists that don't fit their needs ratherfeeling
> than just finding lists that do.
>
> I'm so glad to have this little spot of the internet where
> everyone "gets" unschooling in it's purest form. I guess I'm
> it needs to be very protected! :)
>
> Ren
Barb Eaton
Remember to plant 2 plants. One year I decided 2 were one to many. Well
it grew but I only got one tomato from it at the _end_ of the season.
weirdest looking thig I'd ever seen of a tomato. LOL!
Barb E
"A poor fit between your passions and your work may be
more detrimental than a poor fit between the demands of
your job and your current abilities."
- Robert K. Cooper, Author in ³The Other 90%²
on 7/31/03 3:02 PM, rjhill241@... at rjhill241@... wrote:
it grew but I only got one tomato from it at the _end_ of the season.
weirdest looking thig I'd ever seen of a tomato. LOL!
Barb E
"A poor fit between your passions and your work may be
more detrimental than a poor fit between the demands of
your job and your current abilities."
- Robert K. Cooper, Author in ³The Other 90%²
on 7/31/03 3:02 PM, rjhill241@... at rjhill241@... wrote:
>
> This may be the plant for me. I have a serious black thumb! It saddens me
> that no matter what I plant, or how much I "try" to help it grow, it
> inevitably
> croaks :-(. Maybe I should try cherry tomatoes, cuz I love 'em and maybe they
> will feel sorry enough for me, that they will actually take root.
>
> Rhonda - whose on a new quest to go raw and wishes she could grow anything!
[email protected]
In a message dated 7/31/03 12:42:35 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
ladymagic@... writes:
Does this mean you are out of the hospital? I hope you are felling well and
Lisa has her mom back!
Rhonda - never annoyed by Dee
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ladymagic@... writes:
> DeeDee!!!
> one person who was and is so greatful you all where patient with me
> and all my anoying questions
>
>
Does this mean you are out of the hospital? I hope you are felling well and
Lisa has her mom back!
Rhonda - never annoyed by Dee
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In a message dated 7/31/03 1:06:16 PM, rjhill241@... writes:
<< Maybe I should try cherry tomatoes, cuz I love 'em and maybe they
will feel sorry enough for me, that they will actually take root >>
If you're in a naturally humid and wet place, maybe.
If you're in a dry place, tomatoes need a lot of water.
<< Maybe I should try cherry tomatoes, cuz I love 'em and maybe they
will feel sorry enough for me, that they will actually take root >>
If you're in a naturally humid and wet place, maybe.
If you're in a dry place, tomatoes need a lot of water.
Darlene Popoalii
I didn't save the link, but there was archeological work done at some abbey <br>from the 15th century (I think, 1400s was the last time the garden had been <br>active/full) and some old old plants sprouted just from them having disturbed the <br>earth. Two kinds of plants that hadn't been growing there in hundreds of <br>years. One was for a dye. The other, I don't remember, but they were common <br>medieval plants. I doubt they're totally died out elsewhere or it would've made <br>bigger news.<br><br>At my old house we had some hollyhocks come up where we'd been mowing and so <br>never noticed they were there. One year we didn't mow that corner, and some <br>of the plants came up really big and strong, so the roots were there even <br>though each year it had lost its bid to flower and seed.
Well, that's it, my curiosity is tweeked and I'm going to have to search for that link.
You know when I quit my job and college to stay home w/the kids there were a few things I wanted to learn myself and gardening was one of them. I'm happy to say this summer I have a beautiful, full, green garden consisting of lemon, thai, and sweet basil, tomatoes, rosemary, lavender, several flowers, some of which I don't even know the name of, I got them really cheap at the swap meet, mint, and papaya trees.
Now I'm interested in finding out what plants were native before any building was done on the property. Thanks for reminding me.
Aloha, Darlene
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Well, that's it, my curiosity is tweeked and I'm going to have to search for that link.
You know when I quit my job and college to stay home w/the kids there were a few things I wanted to learn myself and gardening was one of them. I'm happy to say this summer I have a beautiful, full, green garden consisting of lemon, thai, and sweet basil, tomatoes, rosemary, lavender, several flowers, some of which I don't even know the name of, I got them really cheap at the swap meet, mint, and papaya trees.
Now I'm interested in finding out what plants were native before any building was done on the property. Thanks for reminding me.
Aloha, Darlene
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giggle yes I am home still sick but home.
getting better every day.
In fact had some great news from area. In Iowa you have 3 options for "home
school"
and the best for our needs is finding someone who understand UN schooling and
will sign the supervising teacher papers. The place I was telling you about in
kolona and I had a long talk and they went to the district for me got them to
let them take me and 2 others (also UN schooler) will show me how to write it
up for state and be done with it.so We can get it for free, and still do as we
want. only thing I have to ck out 2 books (free) and read how two's.I am
hopeful but keeping options open. and still looking for a separate UN
schooling teacher with Iowa certifaction so to get out all the way with in my
fincial budget. and as we are under adoption subsidy in Iowa I had to have
meeting with the adoption worker handling her case and I explained to him
look more attachment is my issue. he herd me out and agreed and said if you
fallow the law then no one can touch you, good luck and lucky kid and lucky
mom says you know you may have found the key there are so many with this they
usually end up in institutions or worse something tells me Lisa won't.
Not sure why he needed to have this talk with me and I had to do it on phone
due to being sick. I wonder if someone called trying to report me. I asked why
the fuss he said just herd was all and had to call.
Dee
Thank you for not being annoyed
getting better every day.
In fact had some great news from area. In Iowa you have 3 options for "home
school"
and the best for our needs is finding someone who understand UN schooling and
will sign the supervising teacher papers. The place I was telling you about in
kolona and I had a long talk and they went to the district for me got them to
let them take me and 2 others (also UN schooler) will show me how to write it
up for state and be done with it.so We can get it for free, and still do as we
want. only thing I have to ck out 2 books (free) and read how two's.I am
hopeful but keeping options open. and still looking for a separate UN
schooling teacher with Iowa certifaction so to get out all the way with in my
fincial budget. and as we are under adoption subsidy in Iowa I had to have
meeting with the adoption worker handling her case and I explained to him
look more attachment is my issue. he herd me out and agreed and said if you
fallow the law then no one can touch you, good luck and lucky kid and lucky
mom says you know you may have found the key there are so many with this they
usually end up in institutions or worse something tells me Lisa won't.
Not sure why he needed to have this talk with me and I had to do it on phone
due to being sick. I wonder if someone called trying to report me. I asked why
the fuss he said just herd was all and had to call.
Dee
Thank you for not being annoyed
> In a message dated 7/31/03 12:42:35 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
> ladymagic@... writes:
>
> > Dee
> > one person who was and is so greatful you all where patient with me
> > and all my anoying questions
> >
> >
>
> Dee!!!
>
> Does this mean you are out of the hospital? I hope you are felling well and
> Lisa has her mom back!
>
> Rhonda - never annoyed by Dee
>
>
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oh you could plant so many damn tomatoes that there is no way possible
that the kids can eat them all and you have left over enough to use
tomatoes in cooking.
joylyn
Betsy wrote:
that the kids can eat them all and you have left over enough to use
tomatoes in cooking.
joylyn
Betsy wrote:
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>
> **Can't exactly do that since these *ltttle* buggers are eaten as fast
> as they grow.**
>
> Weeeeellll, an "unschooling" answer <g> would be to distract your
> children with trips to a theme park or friend's houses or camping or
> something they really want to do away from home so that you can get them
> gone long enough that a few tomatoes survive!
>
> Or, you can send up a little prayer to the universe that the plants
> start to bear more heavily later in the season. Could happen.
>
> Or, if you are a straight-forward person and not twistedly devious like
> me, you could say "Kids, I'd like to make salsa. To make a small batch
> I need 30(?) tomatoes. Would you help me collect them?"
>
>
> Betsy
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SandraDodd@... wrote:
Finance my trip a bit.
joylyn
>Yes, year round. I'll be at the school next week too. I'm glad.
> In a message dated 7/31/03 12:43:22 AM, joylyn@... writes:
>
> << On a tangent, I subbed in a 3rd grade class today--it was so much fun.
> I really liked the kids and had a great time. >>
>
> It's JULY (still, barely). Is it a staggered-schedule year-round
> school or
> what?
Finance my trip a bit.
joylyn
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> Holly says school starts here in two weeks. It will change the flow
> of her
> summer some. The free lunch in the park program ends this week. She
> has a new
> homeschooling family to hang around with. They're just about a block
> away
> (closer than the park) and they have a new baby boy, born July 19 or so.
> Holly's thrilled to get to see a baby regularly from the beginning.
>
> Sandra
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We haev to water. But that's really about it. And weed a bit. But for
the most part I think I ungarden too.
joylyn
freeform@... wrote:
the most part I think I ungarden too.
joylyn
freeform@... wrote:
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> When we first moved from Arizona to the California bay area, our new
> landlord's mother gave us a couple of cherry tomato plants. We stuck
> them in the ground in a corner or the yard, watered them once or
> twice, and then forgot all about them. A month or so later I happened
> to see something red over there and found them covered in little
> tomatoes. I was completely amazed...
>
> Dar
>
> --- SandraDodd@... wrote:
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>
> In a message dated 7/30/03 10:32:56 PM, ecsamhill@... writes:
>
> << Is there such a thing as "ungardening"? Or only "unwatering" and
> "unweeding"? >>
>
> Natural gardening. <g>
>
> In most of the southwest, that means your yard will become its natural
> desert.
>
> Sandra
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