BADOLBILZ

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Subject: Re: Fwd:Amazing Story and Picture !!
Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2003 09:16:52 -0400
From: BADOLBILZ <ynxn96@...>
To: ynxn96@...
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>A picture began circulating in November. It should be "The Picture of the Year," or perhaps, "Picture of the Decade." It won't be. In fact, unless you obtained a copy of the US paper which published it, you probably will never see it. The picture is that of a 21-week-old unborn baby named Samuel Alexander Armas, who is being operated on by a surgeon named Joseph Bruner. The baby was diagnosed with spina bifida and would not survive if removed from his mother's womb. Little Samuel's mother, Julie Armas, is an obstetrics nurse in Atlanta. She knew of Dr. Bruner's remarkable surgical procedure. Practicing at Vanderbilt University Medical Center in Nashville, he performs these special operations
>while the baby is still in the womb. During the procedure, the doctor removes the uterus via C-section and makes a small incision to operate on the baby. As Dr. Bruner completed the surgery on little Samuel, the little guy reached his tiny, but fully developed, hand through the incision and firmly grasped the surgeon's finger. In a Time Europe article highlighting new pregnancy imagery that show the formation of major organs and other significant evidence of the formation of human life but a few days after conception, Dr. Bruner was reported as saying that when his finger was grasped, it was the most emotional moment of his life, and that for an instant during the procedure he was just frozen, totally immobile. The photograph captures this amazing event with perfect clarity. The editors titled the picture, "Hand of Hope." The text explaining the picture begins, "The tiny hand of 21-week-old fetus Samuel
>Alexander Armas emerges from the mother's uterus to grasp the finger of Dr. Joseph Bruner as if thanking the doctor for the gift of life." Little Samuel's mother said they "wept for days" when they saw the picture. She said, "The photo reminds us my pregnancy isn't about disability or an illness, it's about a little person." Samuel was born in perfect health, the operation 100 per cent successful. Now see the actual picture, and it is awesome...incredible. And hey, pass it on. The world needs to see this one!
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BADOLBILZ

Well, maybe I can't send pictures through to this group. Anyway, I have
to give up for now. The picture is amazing Heidi

BADOLBILZ wrote:

>>A picture began circulating in November. It should be "The Picture of the Year," or perhaps, "Picture of the Decade." It won't be. In fact, unless you obtained a copy of the US paper which published it, you probably will never see it. The picture is that of a 21-week-old unborn baby named Samuel Alexander Armas, who is being operated on by a surgeon named Joseph Bruner. The baby was diagnosed with spina bifida and would not survive if removed from his mother's womb. Little Samuel's mother, Julie Armas, is an obstetrics nurse in Atlanta. She knew of Dr. Bruner's remarkable surgical procedure. Practicing at Vanderbilt University Medical Center in Nashville, he performs these special operations
>>while the baby is still in the womb. During the procedure, the doctor removes the uterus via C-section and makes a small incision to operate on the baby. As Dr. Bruner completed the surgery on little Samuel, the little guy reached his tiny, but fully developed, hand through the incision and firmly grasped the surgeon's finger. In a Time Europe article highlighting new pregnancy imagery that show the formation of major organs and other significant evidence of the formation of human life but a few days after conception, Dr. Bruner was reported as saying that when his finger was grasped, it was the most emotional moment of his life, and that for an instant during the procedure he was just frozen, totally immobile. The photograph captures this amazing event with perfect clarity. The editors titled the picture, "Hand of Hope." The text explaining the picture begins, "The tiny hand of 21-week-old fetus Samuel
>>Alexander Armas emerges from the mother's uterus to grasp the finger of Dr. Joseph Bruner as if thanking the doctor for the gift of life." Little Samuel's mother said they "wept for days" when they saw the picture. She said, "The photo reminds us my pregnancy isn't about disability or an illness, it's about a little person." Samuel was born in perfect health, the operation 100 per cent successful. Now see the actual picture, and it is awesome...incredible. And hey, pass it on. The world needs to see this one!
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In a message dated 7/3/2003 11:03:28 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
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> Well, maybe I can't send pictures through to this group. Anyway, I have
> to give up for now. The picture is amazing Heidi
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Heidi, send the website---folks can go there themselves.

~Kelly


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Kelli Traaseth

Try this :)

http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/bl-handofhope2.htm

Look at the little hand,,,,,awwww...

Kelli~


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Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2003 10:20 AM
Subject: Re: [AlwaysLearning] [Fwd: Re: Fwd:Amazing Story and Picture !!]


> In a message dated 7/3/2003 11:03:28 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> ynxn96@... writes:
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> > Well, maybe I can't send pictures through to this group. Anyway, I have
> > to give up for now. The picture is amazing Heidi
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Don't believe every forward you read. From the Urban Legends Reference
Pages:
<A HREF="http://www.snopes.com/photos/thehand.asp">http://www.snopes.com/photos/thehand.asp</A>

What actually happened, as described in news reports of the surgery, was
that:
> [J]ust as surgeon Dr. Joseph Bruner was closing the incision in Julie
> Armas' uterus, Samuel's thumbnail-sized hand flopped out. Bruner lifted it gently
> and tucked it back in.2
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Dr. Bruner later elaborated on some of the exaggerated and false claims made
about this picture:
> "It has become an urban legend," says Bruner, the Vanderbilt University
> surgeon who fixed the spina bifida lesion on Samuel. Many people he hears from
> wonder whether it's a fake.
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> "One person said the photo had been reviewed by a team of medical experts
> and they had determined that it was a hoax," Bruner says with a laugh.
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> More commonly, people want to know how the photo came to be.
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> Some opponents of abortion have claimed that the baby reached through the
> womb and grabbed the doctor's hand.
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> Not true, Bruner says.
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> Samuel and his mother, Julie, were under anesthesia and could not move.
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> "The baby did not reach out," Bruner says. "The baby was anesthetized. The
> baby was not aware of what was going on."3
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It seems like I have to do a whole lot more debunking on lists lately. What
is it, a pandemic of gullibilism or something?

Tuck


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nellebelle

It IS an amazing photo, even if it didn't happen quite as the story said. Operating on a fetus? Successfully? I'm amazed!

Mary Ellen
----- Original Message ----- Oh, well. It's not that big of a deal.

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Kelli Traaseth

Yeah,

Didn't believe it, but the hand is still cute :) and it still is an
amazing picture even if the story isn't.

Kelli~


----- Original Message -----
From: <Tuckervill@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2003 10:43 AM
Subject: Re: [AlwaysLearning] [Fwd: Re: Fwd:Amazing Story and Picture !!]


> Don't believe every forward you read. From the Urban Legends Reference
> Pages:
> <A
HREF="http://www.snopes.com/photos/thehand.asp">http://www.snopes.com/photos
/thehand.asp</A>
>
> What actually happened, as described in news reports of the surgery, was
> that:
> > [J]ust as surgeon Dr. Joseph Bruner was closing the incision in Julie
> > Armas' uterus, Samuel's thumbnail-sized hand flopped out. Bruner lifted
it gently
> > and tucked it back in.2
> >
>
>
> Dr. Bruner later elaborated on some of the exaggerated and false claims
made
> about this picture:
> > "It has become an urban legend," says Bruner, the Vanderbilt University
> > surgeon who fixed the spina bifida lesion on Samuel. Many people he
hears from
> > wonder whether it's a fake.
> >
> > "One person said the photo had been reviewed by a team of medical
experts
> > and they had determined that it was a hoax," Bruner says with a laugh.
> >
> > More commonly, people want to know how the photo came to be.
> >
> > Some opponents of abortion have claimed that the baby reached through
the
> > womb and grabbed the doctor's hand.
> >
> > Not true, Bruner says.
> >
> > Samuel and his mother, Julie, were under anesthesia and could not move.
> >
> > "The baby did not reach out," Bruner says. "The baby was anesthetized.
The
> > baby was not aware of what was going on."3
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> It seems like I have to do a whole lot more debunking on lists lately.
What
> is it, a pandemic of gullibilism or something?
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> Tuck
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Kelli Traaseth

Wow, Mary Ellen,

We were thinking the identical things at identical times and posted those
thoughts!

Kelli~


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From: "Kelli Traaseth" <tktraas@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2003 11:37 AM
Subject: Re: [AlwaysLearning] [Fwd: Re: Fwd:Amazing Story and Picture !!]


> Yeah,
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> Didn't believe it, but the hand is still cute :) and it still is an
> amazing picture even if the story isn't.
>
> Kelli~
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> From: <Tuckervill@...>
> To: <[email protected]>
> Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2003 10:43 AM
> Subject: Re: [AlwaysLearning] [Fwd: Re: Fwd:Amazing Story and Picture !!]
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> > Don't believe every forward you read. From the Urban Legends Reference
> > Pages:
> > <A
>
HREF="http://www.snopes.com/photos/thehand.asp">http://www.snopes.com/photos
> /thehand.asp</A>
> >
> > What actually happened, as described in news reports of the surgery, was
> > that:
> > > [J]ust as surgeon Dr. Joseph Bruner was closing the incision in Julie
> > > Armas' uterus, Samuel's thumbnail-sized hand flopped out. Bruner
lifted
> it gently
> > > and tucked it back in.2
> > >
> >
> >
> > Dr. Bruner later elaborated on some of the exaggerated and false claims
> made
> > about this picture:
> > > "It has become an urban legend," says Bruner, the Vanderbilt
University
> > > surgeon who fixed the spina bifida lesion on Samuel. Many people he
> hears from
> > > wonder whether it's a fake.
> > >
> > > "One person said the photo had been reviewed by a team of medical
> experts
> > > and they had determined that it was a hoax," Bruner says with a laugh.
> > >
> > > More commonly, people want to know how the photo came to be.
> > >
> > > Some opponents of abortion have claimed that the baby reached through
> the
> > > womb and grabbed the doctor's hand.
> > >
> > > Not true, Bruner says.
> > >
> > > Samuel and his mother, Julie, were under anesthesia and could not
move.
> > >
> > > "The baby did not reach out," Bruner says. "The baby was anesthetized.
> The
> > > baby was not aware of what was going on."3
> > >
> >
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> > It seems like I have to do a whole lot more debunking on lists lately.
> What
> > is it, a pandemic of gullibilism or something?
> >
> > Tuck
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BADOLBILZ

Guess I am gullible, Tuck. I just got it as an e-mail and forwarded it,
or tried to, to all of you. Oh, well. It's not that big of a deal.

Tuckervill@... wrote:

>Don't believe every forward you read. From the Urban Legends Reference
>Pages:
><A HREF="http://www.snopes.com/photos/thehand.asp">http://www.snopes.com/photos/thehand.asp</A>
>
>What actually happened, as described in news reports of the surgery, was
>that:
>
>
>>[J]ust as surgeon Dr. Joseph Bruner was closing the incision in Julie
>>Armas' uterus, Samuel's thumbnail-sized hand flopped out. Bruner lifted it gently
>>and tucked it back in.2
>>
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>
>
>Dr. Bruner later elaborated on some of the exaggerated and false claims made
>about this picture:
>
>
>>"It has become an urban legend," says Bruner, the Vanderbilt University
>>surgeon who fixed the spina bifida lesion on Samuel. Many people he hears from
>>wonder whether it's a fake.
>>
>>"One person said the photo had been reviewed by a team of medical experts
>>and they had determined that it was a hoax," Bruner says with a laugh.
>>
>>More commonly, people want to know how the photo came to be.
>>
>>Some opponents of abortion have claimed that the baby reached through the
>>womb and grabbed the doctor's hand.
>>
>>Not true, Bruner says.
>>
>>Samuel and his mother, Julie, were under anesthesia and could not move.
>>
>>"The baby did not reach out," Bruner says. "The baby was anesthetized. The
>>baby was not aware of what was going on."3
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>It seems like I have to do a whole lot more debunking on lists lately. What
>is it, a pandemic of gullibilism or something?
>
>Tuck
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In a message dated 7/3/2003 11:26:54 AM Central Daylight Time,
ynxn96@... writes:

> Guess I am gullible, Tuck.

Sorry, nothing personal. I just have a very strong b.s. detector.

Tuck


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BADOLBILZ

Don't worry. Not personally taken :) Have a great day! Heidi

Tuckervill@... wrote:

>In a message dated 7/3/2003 11:26:54 AM Central Daylight Time,
>ynxn96@... writes:
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>>Guess I am gullible, Tuck.
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>Sorry, nothing personal. I just have a very strong b.s. detector.
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>Tuck
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coyote's corner

The story is true...
Janis
----- Original Message -----
From: Kelli Traaseth
To: [email protected]
Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2003 12:37 PM
Subject: Re: [AlwaysLearning] [Fwd: Re: Fwd:Amazing Story and Picture !!]


Yeah,

Didn't believe it, but the hand is still cute :) and it still is an
amazing picture even if the story isn't.

Kelli~


----- Original Message -----
From: <Tuckervill@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2003 10:43 AM
Subject: Re: [AlwaysLearning] [Fwd: Re: Fwd:Amazing Story and Picture !!]


> Don't believe every forward you read. From the Urban Legends Reference
> Pages:
> <A
HREF="http://www.snopes.com/photos/thehand.asp">http://www.snopes.com/photos
/thehand.asp</A>
>
> What actually happened, as described in news reports of the surgery, was
> that:
> > [J]ust as surgeon Dr. Joseph Bruner was closing the incision in Julie
> > Armas' uterus, Samuel's thumbnail-sized hand flopped out. Bruner lifted
it gently
> > and tucked it back in.2
> >
>
>
> Dr. Bruner later elaborated on some of the exaggerated and false claims
made
> about this picture:
> > "It has become an urban legend," says Bruner, the Vanderbilt University
> > surgeon who fixed the spina bifida lesion on Samuel. Many people he
hears from
> > wonder whether it's a fake.
> >
> > "One person said the photo had been reviewed by a team of medical
experts
> > and they had determined that it was a hoax," Bruner says with a laugh.
> >
> > More commonly, people want to know how the photo came to be.
> >
> > Some opponents of abortion have claimed that the baby reached through
the
> > womb and grabbed the doctor's hand.
> >
> > Not true, Bruner says.
> >
> > Samuel and his mother, Julie, were under anesthesia and could not move.
> >
> > "The baby did not reach out," Bruner says. "The baby was anesthetized.
The
> > baby was not aware of what was going on."3
> >
>
>
> It seems like I have to do a whole lot more debunking on lists lately.
What
> is it, a pandemic of gullibilism or something?
>
> Tuck
>
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In a message dated 7/3/03 10:26:51 AM, ynxn96@... writes:

<< Guess I am gullible, Tuck. I just got it as an e-mail and forwarded it,
or tried to, to all of you. Oh, well. It's not that big of a deal. >>

Don't forward us stuff, please.
The list isn't set up for forwards, it's set up for real communications among
the members here.

And the only thing that fetal issues has to do with homeschooling is the
assumption too many people have that homeschoolers are conservative Christians who
are homeschooling for an array of political reasons including being "pro
life."

Keep politics off this list, please, as much as possible.

I'd like for this list to be about how people learn in the absence of school
and schooling.

Sandra

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In a message dated 7/3/03 12:19:34 PM, janis@... writes:

<< The story is true... >>

If it is, it's still not an unschooling topic
and as there have been two different quotes from the doctor brought here,
let's drop it.

Sandra

Tia Leschke

> The story is true...

Which part? The surgeon says the hand didn't reach out, that he just saw it
and tucked it back in.
Tia

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety
deserve neither liberty nor safety." Ben Franklin
leschke@...

Bill and Diane

>
>
>It seems like I have to do a whole lot more debunking on lists lately. What
>is it, a pandemic of gullibilism or something
>

I think it may reflect changing demographics, as well as a new group of
Internet users. People who are accustomed to getting news from public
media or from people they know personally have a different perception of
how likely something is to be true when they see it in print.

:-) diane

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In a message dated 7/3/2003 1:19:29 PM Central Daylight Time,
janis@... writes:

> The story is true...
>

The picture is true. The part about the baby reaching out is not. The baby
was anesthetized.

The pro-life spin in the writing was so strong, I knew it couldn't be all
that.

Tuck


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coyote's corner

It's amzing that the surgery was performed; the size of the hand is amazing...that part.
Janis
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From: Tia Leschke
To: [email protected]
Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2003 3:09 PM
Subject: Re: [AlwaysLearning] [Fwd: Re: Fwd:Amazing Story and Picture !!]





> The story is true...

Which part? The surgeon says the hand didn't reach out, that he just saw it
and tucked it back in.
Tia

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety
deserve neither liberty nor safety." Ben Franklin
leschke@...



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coyote's corner

ahhh....
Now I see!!
Janis
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Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2003 4:55 PM
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In a message dated 7/3/2003 1:19:29 PM Central Daylight Time,
janis@... writes:

> The story is true...
>

The picture is true. The part about the baby reaching out is not. The baby
was anesthetized.

The pro-life spin in the writing was so strong, I knew it couldn't be all
that.

Tuck


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