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In a message dated 5/8/03 8:48:01 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
SandraDodd@... writes:

> Holly's friend is reading (by assignment of her mom) Are you There, God?
> It's
> Me, Margaret, by Judy Blume.
>
> Holly wanted to read it, so I took her and bought a copy just a bit ago.
>

Sandra,

This was one of the books that I enjoyed so much as a child that I have
always wished Kass & Kree would one day read it. I went to a private
Christian School most of my life and Judy Blume was censured. Any person
caught reading or discussing her books was up for, your gonna love this,
corporal punishment. That's right, the paddle. Of course I had parents who
refused to ever sign over the consent for anyone to ever strike me, besides
which they have never done in my entire life, even when I was a
cocky-know-it-all-teenager and more than likely deserved a pop in the mouth.
That was the late 70's and early 80's and the school forgot that Scholastic
books sold Judy Blume books just as they still do. My mom always let me order
however many books I wanted because reading was a really big thing to me then
as it is now. I told her I really, really wanted to read this book and she
allowed me to order it. I explained that I would get in trouble for such a
thing as to order a Judy Blume book. So what did my mom do? She ordered every
Judy Blume book on the Scholastic form. I didn't even want the others, but
she insisted that there must be something great in these books if the school
didn't want me reading them.

I turned in my order with everyone else and my mom received a phone call, at
work, no less, to say the school would not turn in my form. Bad choice in
calling my mother bear; for she said that was fine, she would contact
Scholastic and order direct and explain that the school was refusing books to
her child. I think I was 10. This is one of my most vivid memories of my mom
going to bat for me and all the other children for the sake of principle
alone. She could have easily backed down and taken me to the bookstore
instead, but her point to the school was that they received benefit by having
a relationship with Scholastic Books and then to censure their catalog was
ethically inappropriate and that the decision as to what a child should/could
read is between parent and child, not child and school. The school backed
down and sent in my order.

I'll never forget the day the order arrived. The teacher called me up to the
front and said here's your order Rhonda, don't open it until you get home. I
was 10 and everyone else was tearing their orders open. So when I got to my
desk, tada, the Scholastic faeries ripped open my order. It was like in the
movies when everything is exaggerated, but I kid you not everyone gasped and
said look at all those Judy Blumes.....oooooh, you're gonna get the paddle. I
laughed at them and said, don't be silly my mom and dad would never let
anyone hit me. They turned their gasps to jaw drops and I sat down to look at
my books. When my mom picked me up, I told her what happened and we laughed
the whole way home. She said I'd be really pushing it to try and take the
book back to school for "free reading time", so that was translated in my
brain as, "Sure take it to school I dare them to call me."

Of course, my luck is, Kass & Kree could care less about reading right now.
I often read these books still, not just because I am sitting on the hopes
that the girls will want to read them too, but because they bring back good
memories of my childhood and my relationship with my own mother. I never had
to worry if my mom would go to bat for me, I'm 33 now and she still has the
same mother bear tendancies, even worse sometimes with Kass & Kree the only
grandchildren. Luckily, although she doesn't quite get "Unschooling", she
reserves my right to do it and trusts my decisions. I remind her that she is
the one who molded who I am and that she should be proud to say I stand up
for myself and my children, just as she did for me.

Okay, I'm gonna start blubbering now, and I know I am rambling, but it just
occured to me how lucky I was and I can only hope my children love and
appreciate me one tenth of the amount I do my mother.

Happy Mother's day to all of you...
Rhonda

I know there are dads here too, but Father's Day is next month, so don't get
your panties in a bunch. I'm sure I'll have another story by June.LOL


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joanna514

>
> Okay, I'm gonna start blubbering now, and I know I am rambling, but
it just
> occured to me how lucky I was and I can only hope my children love
and
> appreciate me one tenth of the amount I do my mother.
>
> Happy Mother's day to all of you...
> Rhonda


What a great story!
I have a mom like that too.

Joanna

nellebelle

What an awesome story!!!

Mary Ellen

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In a message dated 5/8/03 11:36:54 PM, rjhill241@... writes:

<< This was one of the books that I enjoyed so much as a child that I have
always wished Kass & Kree would one day read it. I went to a private
Christian School most of my life and Judy Blume was censured. Any person
caught reading or discussing her books was up for, your gonna love this,
corporal punishment. That's right, the paddle. >>

THANKS, Rhonda!

Holly was a little worried about the book's title. Before we bought it, she
said "Do you think this book is very religious?" She didn't want the answer
to be yes. I said "I don't think so" (because I haven't read it), and so
when your note came I read her the whole thing and she was fascinated.

Sandra

Paula Sjogerman

on 5/9/03 10:56 AM, SandraDodd@... at SandraDodd@... wrote:

> Holly was a little worried about the book's title. Before we bought it, she
> said "Do you think this book is very religious?" She didn't want the answer
> to be yes. I said "I don't think so"

I think that particular Judy Blume book is one of the most often banned. And
I think it's mostly because she addresses masturbation in it.

LOVED that Scholastic story!

Paula

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In a message dated 5/9/03 8:58:27 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
SandraDodd@... writes:

> Holly was a little worried about the book's title. Before we bought it, she
>
> said "Do you think this book is very religious?" She didn't want the
> answer
> to be yes.

Sandra,

Thank you for your kind words. I'm glad it helped Holly. Kass and Kree have
asked the same thing, because they are very into decerning universal ethics
vs. religion and are completely dumbfounded by most religious things. I love
that they question everything and don't accept,"because the bible says
so...." as an answer for anything. They do not hold the fears that I learned
in school, and my mother was the person who kept me grounded and created that
for me too. It's funny how attending such a rigid porochial institution
actually helped mold the person I am now also. In this life that school was
instrumental in my developing my own thoughts, something not acceptable in
their view. I'm sure most of you are wondering why I went at all since it was
not based on religion, I went because they were considered a top notch school
with entrance exams regardless of age. My parents wanted me to go somewhere
that had the ability to provide what I required.

I don't have good memories of the school itself, but rather the bond I shared
with my parents as they strived to undo many of things I was taught on
Christian principles. I used to get in trouble for things such as reading
horoscopes and telling people about their other lives, something
categorically deniable in the church. I think the school prayed everyday that
I would fail at something so they could have foundation to expel my butt. I
attended until 8th grade graduation and then chose to attend public school.
My parents weren't happy in my choice, but let me make it. I wish I'd know
about unschooling back then, It would have fit me as a person from the get
go. I often tell my girls that what I learned in school was what kind of
person I never wanted to be. I was self directed then and always allowed to
work on my own through the schools curriculum. This square peg never fit
their round hole. However, I think it was at least kind of them to allow me
to work that way. I guess it was better for them (teachers) too. The less
they had to address with me in class the better for them.LOL

Enjoy the book Holly, and remember to never judge a book by it's cover or
title for that matter.

Rhonda


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In a message dated 5/9/03 10:19:59 AM, sjogy@... writes:

<< I think that particular Judy Blume book is one of the most often banned.
And
I think it's mostly because she addresses masturbation in it. >>

Oho!!

That won't bother Holly. She has older brothers whose friends hang out here
and they joke about it a lot. And she has seen the ad for the Hello Kitty
vibrator which so amused the anime group here.

Sandra

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In a message dated 5/9/03 10:29:14 AM, rjhill241@... writes:

<< I often tell my girls that what I learned in school was what kind of
person I never wanted to be. >>

Holly visits various neighbors' families for THAT "lesson" <bwg>.

<<They do not hold the fears that I learned
in school, and my mother was the person who kept me grounded and created that
for me too. It's funny how attending such a rigid porochial institution
actually helped mold the person I am now also. >>

Maybe it's similar to how having taught or been really active as a room mom
or in a parent/teacher group can make it EASY to plunge into unschooling.
It's those who are more iffy and wary about what might be going on in schools
who are afraid to depart from it.

Maybe knowing for certain what religious education is and isn't makes it
easier for you to live without it and without the fear of the lack.

Sandra

Tia Leschke

>
> Holly was a little worried about the book's title. Before we bought it,
she
> said "Do you think this book is very religious?" She didn't want the
answer
> to be yes. I said "I don't think so" (because I haven't read it), and so
> when your note came I read her the whole thing and she was fascinated.

If she doesn't want regular religion but is interested in thinking about
spiritual things (as well as all kinds of science things) she might enjoy
Mr. God This Is Anna by Fynn. My kids all enjoyed that one, and we're not
religious at all other than *leaning* in the direction of paganism. There's
a fascinating section where Anna and Fynn explore the things they can do by
setting up a series of mirrors that reflect off each other.
Tia

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
saftety deserve neither liberty nor safety." Ben Franklin
leschke@...

cheryl

Rhonda,
What a wonderful mommy you have. Smart and brave!

Cheryl N


> This was one of the books that I enjoyed so much as a child that I have
> always wished Kass & Kree would one day read it. I went to a private
> Christian School most of my life and Judy Blume was censured. Any person
> caught reading or discussing her books was up for, your gonna love this,
> corporal punishment. That's right, the paddle. Of course I had parents who
> refused to ever sign over the consent for anyone to ever strike me,
besides
> which they have never done in my entire life, even when I was a
> cocky-know-it-all-teenager and more than likely deserved a pop in the
mouth.
> That was the late 70's and early 80's and the school forgot that
Scholastic
> books sold Judy Blume books just as they still do. My mom always let me
order
> however many books I wanted because reading was a really big thing to me
then
> as it is now. I told her I really, really wanted to read this book and she
> allowed me to order it. I explained that I would get in trouble for such a
> thing as to order a Judy Blume book. So what did my mom do? She ordered
every
> Judy Blume book on the Scholastic form. I didn't even want the others, but
> she insisted that there must be something great in these books if the
school
> didn't want me reading them.
>
> I turned in my order with everyone else and my mom received a phone call,
at
> work, no less, to say the school would not turn in my form. Bad choice in
> calling my mother bear; for she said that was fine, she would contact
> Scholastic and order direct and explain that the school was refusing books
to
> her child. I think I was 10. This is one of my most vivid memories of my
mom
> going to bat for me and all the other children for the sake of principle
> alone. She could have easily backed down and taken me to the bookstore
> instead, but her point to the school was that they received benefit by
having
> a relationship with Scholastic Books and then to censure their catalog was
> ethically inappropriate and that the decision as to what a child
should/could
> read is between parent and child, not child and school. The school backed
> down and sent in my order.
>
> I'll never forget the day the order arrived. The teacher called me up to
the
> front and said here's your order Rhonda, don't open it until you get home.
I
> was 10 and everyone else was tearing their orders open. So when I got to
my
> desk, tada, the Scholastic faeries ripped open my order. It was like in
the
> movies when everything is exaggerated, but I kid you not everyone gasped
and
> said look at all those Judy Blumes.....oooooh, you're gonna get the
paddle. I
> laughed at them and said, don't be silly my mom and dad would never let
> anyone hit me.

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In a message dated 5/9/03 4:19:52 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
cnorthey@... writes:

>
>
> Rhonda,
> What a wonderful mommy you have. Smart and brave!
>

Thank you to everyone who commented on my story and complimented my mommy.

Happy Mother's Day to all of you.
Rhonda


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Meghan Anderson

--- In [email protected], rjhill241@a... wrote:
> In a message dated 5/8/03 8:48:01 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
> SandraDodd@a... writes:
>
> > Holly's friend is reading (by assignment of her mom) Are you
There, God?
> > It's
> > Me, Margaret, by Judy Blume.
> >
> > Holly wanted to read it, so I took her and bought a copy just a
bit ago.
> >
>
> Sandra,
>
> This was one of the books that I enjoyed so much as a child
>
> Okay, I'm gonna start blubbering now, and I know I am
rambling, but it just
> occured to me how lucky I was and I can only hope my children
love and
> appreciate me one tenth of the amount I do my mother.
>
> Happy Mother's day to all of you...
> Rhonda>>>>


What a great mom!

I also loved the Judy Blume books. The one that meant so much
to me was Deenie. It's about a girl with Scoliosis, which I was
diagnosed with when I was 12. Although she had to wear a
brace and I had to have surgery, I was so happy to have her to
identify with because I'd never heard of anyone having it.

Speaking of that experience...

The school I was at sent me a home tutor and I was assigned
work to do and the tutor would come every day! You think they
could just let me have a year off wouldn't you?! Nothing like
having academic pressure put on top of life changing major
surgery huh? Anyway, I just didn't do the work. After all, what
were they going to do, send me home <g>. Eventually, the tutor
stopped coming.
Then after the summer break (I had just turned 13) my parents
made me go back to school. I was still in a body cast from my
waist up to my neck that weighed about 30 lbs. Talk about social
outcast! I had food thrown at me, was pushed over to see how
long it would take me to get up, etc.
School was all downhill for me from then on.

Meghan

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In a message dated 5/9/03 8:38:33 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
meghan@... writes:

> Talk about social
> outcast! I had food thrown at me, was pushed over to see how
> long it would take me to get up, etc.
> School was all downhill for me from then on.
>

Oh Meghan,

I'm so sorry for what you went through. I guess all of our kids are luckier
for it though. Isn't it strange how our hardships have made our decisions not
only to homeschool, but to unschool that much more meaningful. I wonder if
our kids kids will even have any idea what those things are like. I can only
assume that my children will be even broader with their own chinldren than I
am with mine. Yet, I think that's what will all strive for, you know the old
addage, I want for you what I never had...but in return we all get so much
more than most.

Ok, I can feel myself swaying towards a philosophical story so I'm gonna stop
before I get in so deep it will be Mother's Day 2004.

Rhonda


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Meghan Anderson

--- In [email protected], rjhill241@a... wrote:
> In a message dated 5/9/03 8:38:33 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
> meghan@s... writes:
>
> > Talk about social
> > outcast! I had food thrown at me, was pushed over to see
how
> > long it would take me to get up, etc.
> > School was all downhill for me from then on.
> >
>
> Oh Meghan,
>
> I'm so sorry for what you went through. I guess all of our kids
are luckier
> for it though. Isn't it strange how our hardships have made our
decisions not
> only to homeschool, but to unschool that much more
meaningful.

> Rhonda>>>>

Thanks Rhonda

I don't regret it now. I feel all my experiences, good and bad,
have made me who I am. Who knows...if I had had an easy
schooling life I may have never thought, 'There must be another
way', and I might have not found my way to unschooling :-)
Like you said, Tamzin is certainly now benefiting from my past
experiences, and that is another reason not to have regrets.

Meghan

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In a message dated 5/9/03 9:23:21 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
meghan@... writes:

> Tamzin is certainly now benefiting from my past
> experiences, and that is another reason not to have regrets.
>

And lucky to have you for a mommy.

Rhonda


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In a message dated 5/9/03 9:38:33 PM, meghan@... writes:

<< Then after the summer break (I had just turned 13) my parents

made me go back to school. I was still in a body cast from my

waist up to my neck that weighed about 30 lbs. Talk about social

outcast! I had food thrown at me, was pushed over to see how

long it would take me to get up, etc.

School was all downhill for me from then on.

>>

EEK and eeyew! How can it be downhill from THAT.
That's about the saddest thing I've heard for a long time.

So I guess it's easy for you to be a confident homeschooler too!!!

Sandra

Meghan Anderson

--- In [email protected], SandraDodd@a...
wrote:

>
> EEK and eeyew! How can it be downhill from THAT.
> That's about the saddest thing I've heard for a long time.
>
> So I guess it's easy for you to be a confident homeschooler
too!!!
>
> Sandra>>>

Oh yes! No problem there <g>!

Tamzin is so sensitive that I hate to think what her emotional
state of being would be right now if she was in school. It would
be like putting a goldfish in a pirhana tank.

Meghan