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In a message dated 5/4/03 8:49:53 AM, sjogy@... writes:

<< It's frustrating to me also that often the reason for those 10 cm.
c-sections is that there is some shoulder dystocia (baby slightly turned and
shoulder gets stuck) and doctors are not trained to deal with that. Big
heads or bigger babies are really not the problem.
>>

With Kirby I blamed the hospital and they defended themselves (naturally, but
I wasn't impressed). With Marty what happened the same at home (after he was
out and we saw him) was his head never was compressed (I forgot the word).
Never moulded small. They were just there at the 10cm hole, head down, like
a bowling ball trying to go down the toilet or something.

Then, naturally (again in hindsight) Holly was way smaller and labor was
faster and maybe maybe (too late).

But she was also a preemie and a more listless baby. The hospital didn't
say preemie. A friend who's a neonatal nurse at a different hospital said
preemie when Holly was a week old. I said no and she said "What!? Oh HUH!"
and brought the chart they use and went through it with me there and Holly
was still registering a month preemie when she was a week old. We had a hard
time getting nursing to work, but that news helped me try other things.

Too much not about unschooling; sorry.

Sandra

nellebelle

snip>>Too much not about unschooling; sorry.>>>>

Well, we are all learning a bit more about birthing. Very educational!

>>>>>brought the chart they use and went through it with me there and Holly
was still registering a month preemie when she was a week old.>>>>

It is clear that obstetrics has a LOT to learn about how long it takes to grow a baby in the womb. They talk about "due dates" as if they are something you can schedule months in advance. I've heard way too many stories of babies who are supposedly "early" or "late" but are nothing of the sort. Jackie was said to be two weeks overdue, but she only weighed 7 1/2 pounds.

Mary Ellen


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In a message dated 5/4/03 10:31:08 AM, nellebelle@... writes:

<< It is clear that obstetrics has a LOT to learn about how long it takes to
grow a baby in the womb. They talk about "due dates" as if they are
something you can schedule months in advance. I've heard way too many
stories of babies who are supposedly "early" or "late" but are nothing of the
sort. Jackie was said to be two weeks overdue, but she only weighed 7 1/2
pounds. >>

Right! A year before I had Kirby I broke my leg, spiral fracture, pretty
bad, and instead of surgery they did a plaster-tension thing where they just
stretched it out when they changed the casts (frequently, to keep them tight).

I had asked a couple of people how long it would take to heal and they had
said there's no way to know. Four months, six or eight; depends entirely on
your body, health and genetics, and people are different.

I got pregnant with Kirby while I was still in that same "who knows" cast,
and they said he would be born on July 5. Exactly. "BUT..." I said, and
they said "No buts."

He was born July 29, normal size, normal health, induced because he was
"late."

With Holly I honestly wasn't sure when I got pregnant, and wouldn't even give
the hospital any possible clue-range, because I was determined NOT to have a
due date, and so I didn't have one. So I can't say, but she did have 7/10 of
the indications of prematurity, and she was teensy and not very (what's the
word for go-getter baby?)... can't think of the word.

That doesn't mean she wasn't in there 9 months (though I have no idea) but
she just wasn't quite at the strongest point of her curve. Or maybe she was.
She's kind of dainty compared to the boys too in other ways. Graceful and
quiet (in comparison).

Sandra