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In a message dated 5/2/03 10:33:03 AM Central Daylight Time,
[email protected] writes:

<< HOW cool.
Y'd think you could've just set a mirror on the floor and SHOWN her! <bwg> >>

Isn't governmental red tape just fascinating? Sheesh!
When I was trying to get WIC coupons during my pregnancy with Jalen, they
insisted on a pregnancy test from a Doctor. I was going to a midwife, that
wasn't OFFICIAL enough for them.
I was about 7 months pregnant, big belly, baby kicking. Wasn't THAT enough
proof for them?
At one frustrating point I asked her if she'd like me to lift my shirt and
feel the baby kicking!! DUH.

Ren
"They dined on mince, and slices of quince, Which they ate with a runcible
spoon;
And hand in hand, on the edge of the sand, they danced by the light of the
moon."
--The Owl and the Pussycat
Edward Lear

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In a message dated 5/2/03 9:35:04 PM, starsuncloud@... writes:

<< When I was trying to get WIC coupons during my pregnancy with Jalen, they
insisted on a pregnancy test from a Doctor. I was going to a midwife, that
wasn't OFFICIAL enough for them.
I was about 7 months pregnant, big belly, baby kicking. Wasn't THAT enough
proof for them? >>

I went to the HMO when I was seven months pregnant with Holly, after all
their testing dates were past, and they said "Where have YOU been?"

"Hiding out from YOU guys."

They were *so* unamused at my truthful joviality.

The only requirement on their list I could still qualify for was the
pregnancy test. I said, "Really?" and gave them such a truthfully jovial
look that they decided not to embarrass themselves by doing a pregnancy test.

Then they wanted to schedule a Cesarean. I wasn't interested in a THIRD 24
hours of labor, being at 10 cm and pushing for hours, as I had done with both
Kirby and Marty, followed by a Cesarean. So I told them I didn't want to
have the 25 to 36 hours of labor, I would cut straight to the cesarean (ooh!
ghost of Freud!), and I would come in when I was in labor. They said "but
but but..." and I said until I'm in labor, I'm not coming in.

No question I was pregnant, though.

Sandra

joanna514

--- In [email protected], SandraDodd@a... wrote:
>
>
> I went to the HMO when I was seven months pregnant with Holly,
after all
> their testing dates were past, and they said "Where have YOU been?"
>
> "Hiding out from YOU guys."
>
>

Did you have no prenatal checkups then?
I don't think I would mind having another baby. I would really mind
having to go through all the prenatal visits though.
I loved going for my first pregnany, but by the time I was on my 5th,
I was way over it and infact resentful. I swore I'd have a home
birth with a midwife if I ever got pregnant again.
Don't think I'm going there though.
Joanna

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In a message dated 5/2/03 11:35:33 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
starsuncloud@... writes:

> At one frustrating point I asked her if she'd like me to lift my shirt and
> feel the baby kicking!! DUH.
>
>

I remember when we were in Germany, at the airport when we would fly I had to
go through the metal detector then a female officer would have to feel my
belly all over to make sure I was really pregnant. I thought that was funny.
Pam G.


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In a message dated 5/3/03 8:40:22 AM, Wilkinson6@... writes:

<< Did you have no prenatal checkups then? >>

With a midwife friend of mine, yes.
We waited until the windows for the fetal protein and this'n'that had passed
for me to declare myself to the HMO.

Kirby had been a hospital long labor and 10 cm and pushing and cesarean.
Marty was a homebirth long(er) labor and 10 cm and (more) pushing and same
old cesarean.

I wasn't interested in going for three of those.
My friends who were snooty and unsupportive got the same response from me.
"Were you ever in twice in labor for 24 hours and got to 10 and didn't have a
vaginal birth still?"

"No"

"Well then you don't know what you're talking about."

If someone's baby came out after two hours or eight hours or even 24 hours,
they still had a vaginal birth and that's wonderfully lucky and I'm happy for
them.

Sandra

Tia Leschke

> Did you have no prenatal checkups then?
> I don't think I would mind having another baby. I would really mind
> having to go through all the prenatal visits though.
> I loved going for my first pregnany, but by the time I was on my 5th,
> I was way over it and infact resentful. I swore I'd have a home
> birth with a midwife if I ever got pregnant again.

My daughter had regular prenatal checkups with her midwife for her three.
They were a lot different than your standard doctor ones though.
Tia

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
saftety deserve neither liberty nor safety." Ben Franklin
leschke@...

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In a message dated 5/3/2003 12:01:11 PM Central Daylight Time,
SandraDodd@... writes:

> If someone's baby came out after two hours or eight hours or even 24 hours,
> they still had a vaginal birth and that's wonderfully lucky and I'm happy
> for
> them.
>

My first was like yours. Big old head. But the second one was the old
fashioned way. Back in 1984, that was really something rare in Arkansas, and
so I got the joy of having every student nurse in the hospital come and
"check" me during that labor.

If only...gets me nowhwere, so I'll stop.

Tuck


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Meghan Anderson

--- In [email protected], SandraDodd@a...
wrote:

> Kirby had been a hospital long labor and 10 cm and pushing
and cesarean.
> Marty was a homebirth long(er) labor and 10 cm and (more)
pushing and same
> old cesarean.
>
> I wasn't interested in going for three of those.
> My friends who were snooty and unsupportive got the same
response from me.
> "Were you ever in twice in labor for 24 hours and got to 10 and
didn't have a
> vaginal birth still?"
>
> "No"
>
> "Well then you don't know what you're talking about."
>
> If someone's baby came out after two hours or eight hours or
even 24 hours,
> they still had a vaginal birth and that's wonderfully lucky and I'm
happy for
> them.
>
> Sandra >>>>

Hi all!

I'm back! I've been in England and Indiana and going through
remodel, ugh.

I was having a homebirth with Tamzin, was in labour for 16
hours, had gone into 2nd stage and the midwives realized that
Tamzin was in posterier position. I couldn't push her out, so an
ambulance came and took me to the hospital where they gave
me an epidural (in case I had to have an emergency C-section)
and tried to turn her around using the vacuum thingy. I was in
2nd stage for 5 hours and was so torn up when they finally got
her turned and out that they had to do some pretty extensive
repair work on me. In hindsight, I wish that they had done a
C-section on me! I was so out of it by then that I couldn't
advocate for myself and Chris didn't have the knowledge or
gumption to step in and advocate for me. I never thought I'd ever
want a C-section over vaginal birth, but in certain circumstances
it's definitely a good option to have.

Meghan

BADOLBILZ

I had my first two with midwives at a birth center...went great. Second
two at home with midwife...went great. My midwife who helped with the
home births has unschooled with her kids for over 20 years. Now she's a
good friend. Prenatal visits were really just fun discussions about
birth and unschooling. I'm lucky though, I had really easy deliveries.
Having been with sister and sil through hospital births, I'd choose
home every time if it's an option. With my sister, I was there as her
coach for the whole thing and look just like my sister, but in the room
after the nurse wouldn't let me hold the baby because they had
regulations about strangers. I guess she thought I was going to take
off with the baby. I myself was 7 mnths pregnant at the time. I was so
angry, smoke was just about coming out of my ears, not to mention I
hadn't slept in 36 hours. Then they made her sit through a 45 minute
lecture on breastfeeding and infant care even though it was her second
baby and she'd breastfed her first. She and I yawned all the way
through it. But they HAD to do it, you know...hospital regulations and
all. Ugh! HeidiC.

Tia Leschke wrote:

>>Did you have no prenatal checkups then?
>>I don't think I would mind having another baby. I would really mind
>>having to go through all the prenatal visits though.
>>I loved going for my first pregnany, but by the time I was on my 5th,
>>I was way over it and infact resentful. I swore I'd have a home
>>birth with a midwife if I ever got pregnant again.
>>
>>
>
>My daughter had regular prenatal checkups with her midwife for her three.
>They were a lot different than your standard doctor ones though.
>Tia
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nellebelle

I've had one of each - cesearean and VBAC. In the long run, it's a healthy baby and how much control you are able to have in the process. And sometimes things happen that just happen and you are thankful for today's medical technology.

I will say though, I healed more easily from the cesearean than from the vaginal tearing!

Mary Ellen


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In a message dated 5/3/03 1:43:34 PM, nellebelle@... writes:

<< I will say though, I healed more easily from the cesearean than from the
vaginal tearing! >>

I healed more easily from the cesarean that did NOT follow on the 24 to 36
hours of laboring to 10cm.

With all that, I'm really happy I nursed them all and grateful forever to the
La Leche League leaders who helped me here and coincidently also showed me
attachment parenting and unschooling!

Sandra

nellebelle

Breastfeeding was very healing for me. After the cesarean, I felt a bit as though something was wrong with me, that I couldn't birth a baby. To be able to grow one on my milk alone more than made up for it.

Mary Ellen
----- snip----- With all that, I'm really happy I nursed them all and grateful forever to the
La Leche League leaders who helped me here and coincidently also showed me
attachment parenting and unschooling!



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>
> Kirby had been a hospital long labor and 10 cm and pushing and cesarean.
> Marty was a homebirth long(er) labor and 10 cm and (more) pushing and same
> old cesarean.
>
> I wasn't interested in going for three of those.
>
>"Were you ever in twice in labor for 24 hours and got to 10 and didn't
have a

Been there, done that.... The first two I was in labor 24 and 30 hours and
ended up with c-sections. They suck because you are worn out and exhausted
before you have major surgery. The third though I had as a VBAC as I was
very determined that my body could work thru it despite the medical staff!
I did have an epidural and that was wonderful.
THe 4th though I ended up with a section again because my water broke and
24 hours later no contractions. The hospital here won't give you any
pitocin to bring on contractions if you've had a previous section so we had
no choice.

I healed wonderfully with the VBAC but ALSO with the last section. I
checked myself out of the hospital after 2 days and even gave a solstice
party for 15 people 5 days after he was born! I think having the section
with no drain of labor before it made a big difference.

As others have said the big thing is a healthy baby and healthy mom. I
believe part of the healthy mom aspect comes from making informed choices
about the delivery. If that has to include surgery and you have looked at
all the aspects surrounding it then so be it.

I just think it's frustrating when women opt to have surgery for
convenience or because they just don't have a clue.

Kate


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In a message dated 5/4/2003 2:11:55 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
karegree@... writes:> THe 4th though I ended up with a section
> again because my water broke and
> 24 hours later no contractions.

Yeah, That's what I though too. My first sign of labor was that my water
broke. Forty-five hours later, he was FINALLY born. Nothing to eat. Nothing
to drink. NO sleep. I was exhausted.

At 23 hours, I figured that I could do it---they'd take him in another hour
or so. No such luck. I never felt the urge to push. And even if I had, I
couldn't. By the end I was so tired, I just wanted to die. It would be
better.

It was a military hospital in Germany. I wasn't allowed pain-killers or an
epidural either. There were several women there with no husbands. Ben coached
three OTHER women through the final stages because, well--he was available!
By the time he got to me, he was a pro! <g>

I finally ripped open and he was born.

There's a reason there are eight years between my boys! Dunc was a C-section
after 15 horrible hours when I thought it would actually kill me.

I wasn't built to produce children!

~Kelly


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In a message dated 5/4/03 4:47:26 AM Central Daylight Time,
[email protected] writes:

<< They said "but
but but..." and I said until I'm in labor, I'm not coming in. >>

Ah, they don't like the ones that think for themselves!! They like helpless
sheep that do exactly what they say.
I got a few questions and strange looks when I refused nearly ALL the testing
done during pregnancy, including the sugar test.
Having a home birth with Jalen was the best thing I'd ever done. Wish I'd
been able to for all of the babies!

Ren
"They dined on mince, and slices of quince, Which they ate with a runcible
spoon;
And hand in hand, on the edge of the sand, they danced by the light of the
moon."
--The Owl and the Pussycat
Edward Lear

Paula Sjogerman

on 5/4/03 1:08 AM, Kate Green at karegree@... wrote:

> I
> believe part of the healthy mom aspect comes from making informed choices
> about the delivery. If that has to include surgery and you have looked at
> all the aspects surrounding it then so be it.
>


Absolutely. I sometimes work as a labor doula and this is my goal - informed
births.

> I just think it's frustrating when women opt to have surgery for
> convenience or because they just don't have a clue.

It's frustrating to me also that often the reason for those 10 cm.
c-sections is that there is some shoulder dystocia (baby slightly turned and
shoulder gets stuck) and doctors are not trained to deal with that. Big
heads or bigger babies are really not the problem.

paula

joanna514

> It's frustrating to me also that often the reason for those 10 cm.
> c-sections is that there is some shoulder dystocia (baby slightly
turned and
> shoulder gets stuck) and doctors are not trained to deal with that.
Big
> heads or bigger babies are really not the problem.
>
> paula

This happened with my last dd. Her shoulder was stuck and the Dr.
yelled "SHOULDER DYSTOCIA" to the nurse,and she(the nurse) proceeded
to push with her fist on the top of my stomach as hard as she could
while the Dr. pulled on my dd's head. She flew out! I was in a
state of not being able to speak, but wanted to scream at them to
settle down!
I know if I had had a midwife it would have been a gentle turning,or
atleast explained to me before reacting like that. MY dd's heart
rate was fine and there really was no hurry. I was furious after.
I got even more furious when a few weeks later I noticed a bump on
dd's collar bone and later discovered it was broken!
Joanna